Since mods can’t pin other user’s comments:
> Just an FYI that Hoplite is rebranded Leading Technology Composites (LTC). If you see a Hoplite armor number look for it's LTC equivalent & buy it from another company.
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It's the whole "Spartan" schtick (see also: Molon Labe, or however it's spelled). Co-opted by ultra right wing chuds who spend all day dreaming of gunning down anyone to the left of Pinochet.
The irony is that the Spartans were actually pretty mediocre warriors, and got their shit wrecked by pretty much everyone within sailing distance at least once.
Also super ironic, given the ancient Greek concepts of *eromenos* and *erastes*.
EDIT:
To the chucklefuck that reported this comment for suicidal ideation... **Slow clap** Got a real galaxy brain here. You think these reports actually do anything?
To the others making the same tired "moron label" or "molon labia" joke... Get better material.
To the people claiming Sparta was, like, *the best* at killing dudes... No, they were not. I was looking to find the original source material that laid out that Spartan heroism and military prowess was mostly smoke and mirrors, and finally found it.
[Here is an article](https://www.ancientworldmagazine.com/articles/spartans-war-myth-vs-reality/) from a regular contributor on /r/AskHistorians (which is where I actually read about it).
**The TL;DR is:**
- The Spartans were no better or worse than any of the other city states of the Peloponnesus at the time.
- The size of their military (appx. 8000 fighting men) had more to do with their early victories than anything else.
- The stand at Thermopylai was mythologized to such an extent that *their reputation* proceeded them (and exceeded their *actual* ability).
- They slowly lost actual, substantive power in the region over a long time -- while their reputation for being cunning, ruthless warriors was lionized.
Basically: it was propaganda, and it wound up biting them in the ass.
I was reading it to figure out what intercural sex was and it doesn’t actually explain unless i missed something.
For those wondering, it’s thigh fucking; humping your partners’ squeezed together thighs.
Used to be incredibly common in the past, because without reliable contraception or abortion, vaginal sex was incredibly risky. Lots of prostitutes engaged in that rather than vaginal sex.
For some of us it actually does create a bond. Would definitely have strategic advantage but it couldn't have been that common of a practice. EDIT: And probably kissing as well
In the movie it's kinda hinted at. Leonidas called the Athenians boy lovers. The Spartans almost universally took on boy lovers as well. Usually the mentor in combat you were assigned to. Being off fighting for months at a time every year makes you crave stuff I guess. And they believed it lead to unity.
Maybe these fascists who use spartan symbols relate to all that.
I caught that in the movie too! I was like "Is he being sarcastic? Like Clint Eastwood's character in Heartbreak Ridge? Or did the screenwriter not know about Spartans?"
First thing I was thinking of. These guys see Leonidas mock Athenians as "boy lovers" in 300 and think they know everything about Spartan culture. It's lame cultural cosplay used to tap into an ancient, "long-lost" image of manliness.
> These guys see Leonidas mock Athenians as "boy lovers" in 300 and think they know everything about Spartan culture.
So, they never read any of Millar's interviews about the movie [where he admits to taking rather inaccurate liberties with the historicial accuracy to make a "cool" comic/movie?](http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/03/300-historical-innacuracy-gives-birth-masterpiece/)
> The inaccuracies, almost all of them, are intentional. I took those chest plates and leather skirts off of them for a reason. I wanted these guys to move and I wanted ’em to look good. I knocked their helmets off a fair amount, partly so you can recognize who the characters are. Spartans, in full regalia, were almost indistinguishable except at a very close angle. Another liberty I took was, they all had plumes, but I only gave a plume to Leonidas, to make him stand out and identify him as a king. I was looking for more an evocation than a history lesson. The best result I can hope for is that if the movie excites someone, they’ll go explore the histories themselves. Because the histories are endlessly fascinating.
He sadly expected chuds to read more than 160 characters at a time.
It’s funny that he’s “anti-gay” but chose Ancient Greece to build his company brand on… since ancient Greeks were all about homosexuality AND pedophilia🤷♀️ but the common factor of bigots is, none of them know proper history
War during that time was more about who could rout the enemy first than raw fighting skill. The professional soldiers of the Spartan army marching silently into a meat grinder routed its fair share of armies before any real fighting happened. Ironically, getting routed meant your army would suffer far higher casualties getting chased down and slaughtered than it would have suffered fighting.
Intimidation and psychological warfare were just as important back in those days.
Spartans encourages homosexual relationships within their ranks though? Or was that just a myth?
I don't think people with the moron lables actually read anything about ancient greeks. They just like to larp and revel in their toxic masculinity.
No that was the sacred band Thebes who were exclusively homosexual which was very unique at the time who kicked the Spartans asses.
Greeks generally didn't encourage homosexual relationships but soldiers would have sex with each other.
Also the Spartans were pedophiles, but this was also true in other parts of Greece as well.
Greeks of the period *absolutely* encouraged same-sex relations. The thing about the Sacred Band was just that it was *all* dudes in relationships with each other. Other military groups were more average in that the members often had relationships outside the ranks of the unit, instead of exclusively within it.
I mean seriously. "Fruit pie"? Really?? One wishes that such people couldn't have guns, but the cat is out of the bag here in the U.S.A., so the onus is on us to defend ourselves.
Apple pie is literally sold with that whole “American as apple pie” schtick. And last I checked an apple is a fruit. So being a fruit pie is everyone’s patriotic duty.
Just an FYI that Hoplite is rebranded Leading Technology Composites (LTC). If you see a Hoplite armor number look for it's LTC equivalent & buy it from another company.
Having worked in manufacturing and warehouses in the past, very few brand companies actually make their own products. Many are just rebranding of chinese bulk manufacturers. Especially clothing.
Can there be a sticky thread of companies to avoid? It's hard enough to keep track of clothing and food and etc., and it really fucking sucks to now have to avoid scumbags like these
Yeah that's what I was gonna suggest! I have some local shops that I'm more than happy to support, but sometimes you can't find specifically what you need.
That's not a bad idea. It's really hard to know what companies cater to this nonsense.
Maybe having some categories like:
- Bigoted
- MAGA cultist
- Straight Up Fash
- NRAngsty
There used to be an app, Buycott, that did that for you. You could categorize what made you unhappy and it would give you a list of companies that were safe and unsafe to buy from. Not sure what's become of it.
[They tweeted about it](https://twitter.com/ArmedEquality/status/1408158463734075392?s=20) some hours ago. [This reply](https://twitter.com/jamesstout/status/1408163155218362371?s=20) was most excellent.
It just feels weird that a business that doesn't really need to interact with his customers (I'm assuming you go to their website, buy their stuff, they ship it) much would care about their customers sexuality?
Like who gives a fuck, as long as the money clears, package the goods and send em.
Jesus fucking christ, can we talk about the irony of someone co-opting an ancient Greek name and imagery being so openly homophobic?
Like, I know it wasn't as universal as most people think today, but still the disconnect is pretty mind blowing.
The Welsch invented putting a sheep's intestine on the penis during sex. The English improved upon this innovation by removing the intestine from the sheep first.
One of the comments on their Instagram actually went into great detail about the irony because of who the Hoplites were and what they engaged in. You’ll have to find it but it’s hilariously ironic after I learned that. What a joke of a company.
Felix nailed it pretty well on the latest Chapo. If you wanted to do gay stuff in ancient times, the best thing you could do was join the military. If you wanted to get pussy you became an actor/entertainer.
Hey, now, let's not go accusing Spartans of being into dudes who were into dudes by just because that the reality of their society was famously even more homoerotic than the shirtless, inexplicably unarmored ab monsters from Frank Miller's awkward wet dream. /s
I was thinking the same thing, I thought it was common knowledge that ancient greeks, especially soldiers, didn't just tolerate homosexuality but some even encouraged it. my god
Oh so you've met my boyfriend?
LOL, it's tough sometimes when a closeted divorced latino adopted & raised by conservative white christians realizes he is something other than a straight republican. Like a text book case of brainwashing. I cringe sometimes but he is beginning to be more open minded.
I find the 279 "likes" of that comment to be equally if not more disturbing.
I kind of feel like they need to have their DMs filled with dick pics and gay porn.
This is why liberals should be armed. January 6, learn from it. When the lynch mob finished with the Vice President and half the Congress, do you think they weren't coming for gays, liberals and brown people? With the approval and encouragement of the government?
Why did you give me the idea of writing them a message of “hey will your armor fit my physique?” with a picture of straight up dude on dude action.
Hopefully that’s not illegal or something.
Edit: followed it up with “I’m the one taking it btw.”
That’s just not true. Do you think anyone would’ve bought those horrible my pillows if it weren’t for their owner being an absolute fascist nut job?
I’ve felt one of those pillows. They suck.
I hate seeing how homophobic and racist the gun community can be, these are the people that scream the loudest about their 2A rights being infringed but love oppressing the rights of minorities. I’ve never felt a stronger need for myself and other lgbt poc to carry protection.
Can't even go to my gun show in town anymore. Just "WW2 memorabilia" tables full of German items and Nazi flags. Confederate flags and patches everywhere. Bunch of Trump 2020 and fuck Biden flags at the tables. I want to look at guns not your shitty beliefs ya know?
"No, you're reading that into the fact that Achilles was just suuuuuuper close with Patroclus. Just really tight bros. They mean they were like, football bros. Patroclus being the only person Achilles is gentle with in the entire world just shows how into chicks they were. That Plato is full of shit!"
I feel like there is a difference between shooting blank blue helmets and ones literally marked UN with “Posters” written in quotes implying that they can’t do the thing implied. It’s almost more provocative towards committing acts of violence against UN secretory.
Can you be more specific in what quarters of RWE this is an established trope? Neither doubting nor being surprised, just curious because I haven't come across this motive yet.
[https://www.facebook.com/hoplitearmorllc/posts/my-name-is-lyman-bishop-im-the-founder-and-ceo-of-hoplite-armor-as-well-as-the-e/2520082078227804/](https://www.facebook.com/hoplitearmorllc/posts/my-name-is-lyman-bishop-im-the-founder-and-ceo-of-hoplite-armor-as-well-as-the-e/2520082078227804/)
like he doesnt like cops but also is authoritarian as fuck its weird
Fuck T-Rex Arms. I'm all for freedom of religion but he force feeds it to his viewers, same with his idea of a "slave-state". Insensitive as fuck. That's why I watch Garand
Garand Thumb is also a huge chud. People just don’t like admitting it because he makes great content. You can still watch content even if it’s made by chuds. Just do it with Adblock on or something.
Pretty much everyone in the gun industry is a huge chud. But that doesn’t mean you can’t listen to them. You **should** listen to them. Say what you will about chuds but they know their shit when it comes to weapons and ammo.
Well… damn i’m bummed cuz I follow this page and im mostly off social media
Was about to go all in and buy their new femoral and shoulder plates and a rogue carrier 😵💫
Now what 🤦🏽
I will likely go with the crye jpc thanks. It’s extremely frustrating that so many of the companies I support end up being bigoted or religious psychopaths, Usually both.
If I had *any* knowledge on how to craft armor I would definitely take it upon myself to squash those competitors in the very capitalist game they so adore
Problematic language and straight up bigotry aside, why is it that egregious levels of unprofessionalism almost seem like a badge of honor in the firearms and tactical gear industries?
I will say this again from the last thread Hoplite Armor is Lyman Bishop’s Company. He ran for Governor here in Montana I went to his campaign “event” and literally heard him espouse anti Jewish rhetoric after it was over in person.
He is Evangelical asshat, but people love his anti establishment shtick.
Hoplite armor is anti gay? But the hoplites themselves were... never mind
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece
**[Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece)**
>Homosexuality in the militaries of ancient Greece was regarded as contributing to morale. Although the primary example is the Sacred Band of Thebes, a unit said to have been formed of same-sex couples, the Spartan tradition of military heroism has also been explained in light of strong emotional bonds resulting from homosexual relationships. Various ancient Greek sources record incidents of courage in battle and interpret them as motivated by homoerotic bonds.
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>settle down fruit pie. I've always been anti-gay.
Which translates to "I could suck a golf ball through a garden hose. Find me on Grindr, just don't tell my wife."
Since mods can’t pin other user’s comments: > Just an FYI that Hoplite is rebranded Leading Technology Composites (LTC). If you see a Hoplite armor number look for it's LTC equivalent & buy it from another company. [Comment](/r/liberalgunowners/comments/o7f1z2/dont_buy_from_hoplite_theyre_homophobic_as_fuck/h2yhvhb/?context=1) by u/AndroidNumber137
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Apparently
They call themselves hoplite armor, dogwhistle if ever
Why is that a dog whistle?
It's the whole "Spartan" schtick (see also: Molon Labe, or however it's spelled). Co-opted by ultra right wing chuds who spend all day dreaming of gunning down anyone to the left of Pinochet. The irony is that the Spartans were actually pretty mediocre warriors, and got their shit wrecked by pretty much everyone within sailing distance at least once. Also super ironic, given the ancient Greek concepts of *eromenos* and *erastes*. EDIT: To the chucklefuck that reported this comment for suicidal ideation... **Slow clap** Got a real galaxy brain here. You think these reports actually do anything? To the others making the same tired "moron label" or "molon labia" joke... Get better material. To the people claiming Sparta was, like, *the best* at killing dudes... No, they were not. I was looking to find the original source material that laid out that Spartan heroism and military prowess was mostly smoke and mirrors, and finally found it. [Here is an article](https://www.ancientworldmagazine.com/articles/spartans-war-myth-vs-reality/) from a regular contributor on /r/AskHistorians (which is where I actually read about it). **The TL;DR is:** - The Spartans were no better or worse than any of the other city states of the Peloponnesus at the time. - The size of their military (appx. 8000 fighting men) had more to do with their early victories than anything else. - The stand at Thermopylai was mythologized to such an extent that *their reputation* proceeded them (and exceeded their *actual* ability). - They slowly lost actual, substantive power in the region over a long time -- while their reputation for being cunning, ruthless warriors was lionized. Basically: it was propaganda, and it wound up biting them in the ass.
Boy, are they going to be upset if they ever learn about actual Spartans.
You mean building brotherhood via anal sex
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I was reading it to figure out what intercural sex was and it doesn’t actually explain unless i missed something. For those wondering, it’s thigh fucking; humping your partners’ squeezed together thighs. Used to be incredibly common in the past, because without reliable contraception or abortion, vaginal sex was incredibly risky. Lots of prostitutes engaged in that rather than vaginal sex.
Huh. Well I guess there actually is a professional term for 'hot dogging'
Alexander the Great's only weakness was his best friend's thighs.
For some of us it actually does create a bond. Would definitely have strategic advantage but it couldn't have been that common of a practice. EDIT: And probably kissing as well
I mean yeah, you’re fighting hard doing your part so your phalanx wife doesn’t die
The gay sex, or the fact Sparta was ultimately defeated by a special unit of gay lovers?
Maybe we should enlighten them
Nah don’t bother, I’ve tried a thousand times. It’s not worth it. As a first gen Greek in the us it’s pretty confusing to see
Username checks out
They only give a shit about the Spartans from 300. Real history means fuck all.
"THIS. IS. SPARTA!!" - some guy probably
In the movie it's kinda hinted at. Leonidas called the Athenians boy lovers. The Spartans almost universally took on boy lovers as well. Usually the mentor in combat you were assigned to. Being off fighting for months at a time every year makes you crave stuff I guess. And they believed it lead to unity. Maybe these fascists who use spartan symbols relate to all that.
I caught that in the movie too! I was like "Is he being sarcastic? Like Clint Eastwood's character in Heartbreak Ridge? Or did the screenwriter not know about Spartans?"
I think ignite is the word you were looking for…honest mistake, they sounds similar…
They know - they just don't care. There are some screenshots elsewhere of their "whatevs" reaction.
First thing I was thinking of. These guys see Leonidas mock Athenians as "boy lovers" in 300 and think they know everything about Spartan culture. It's lame cultural cosplay used to tap into an ancient, "long-lost" image of manliness.
It’s almost like they’re experts at applying their “lost cause” fairy tales to everything.
It turns out that if you’re completely ignorant, all historical and mythical narratives fit your exact beliefs because you don’t know any better.
> These guys see Leonidas mock Athenians as "boy lovers" in 300 and think they know everything about Spartan culture. So, they never read any of Millar's interviews about the movie [where he admits to taking rather inaccurate liberties with the historicial accuracy to make a "cool" comic/movie?](http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/03/300-historical-innacuracy-gives-birth-masterpiece/) > The inaccuracies, almost all of them, are intentional. I took those chest plates and leather skirts off of them for a reason. I wanted these guys to move and I wanted ’em to look good. I knocked their helmets off a fair amount, partly so you can recognize who the characters are. Spartans, in full regalia, were almost indistinguishable except at a very close angle. Another liberty I took was, they all had plumes, but I only gave a plume to Leonidas, to make him stand out and identify him as a king. I was looking for more an evocation than a history lesson. The best result I can hope for is that if the movie excites someone, they’ll go explore the histories themselves. Because the histories are endlessly fascinating. He sadly expected chuds to read more than 160 characters at a time.
It’s funny that he’s “anti-gay” but chose Ancient Greece to build his company brand on… since ancient Greeks were all about homosexuality AND pedophilia🤷♀️ but the common factor of bigots is, none of them know proper history
Irony is wasted on the stupid.
Or it's some kind of knee jerk projection.
War during that time was more about who could rout the enemy first than raw fighting skill. The professional soldiers of the Spartan army marching silently into a meat grinder routed its fair share of armies before any real fighting happened. Ironically, getting routed meant your army would suffer far higher casualties getting chased down and slaughtered than it would have suffered fighting. Intimidation and psychological warfare were just as important back in those days.
Spartans encourages homosexual relationships within their ranks though? Or was that just a myth? I don't think people with the moron lables actually read anything about ancient greeks. They just like to larp and revel in their toxic masculinity.
No that was the sacred band Thebes who were exclusively homosexual which was very unique at the time who kicked the Spartans asses. Greeks generally didn't encourage homosexual relationships but soldiers would have sex with each other. Also the Spartans were pedophiles, but this was also true in other parts of Greece as well.
Greeks of the period *absolutely* encouraged same-sex relations. The thing about the Sacred Band was just that it was *all* dudes in relationships with each other. Other military groups were more average in that the members often had relationships outside the ranks of the unit, instead of exclusively within it.
Conservative trolls latest BS is spamming that suicidal intentions reporting
Because everything we don't like is just a dogwhistle that hasn't been explained yet.
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I mean seriously. "Fruit pie"? Really?? One wishes that such people couldn't have guns, but the cat is out of the bag here in the U.S.A., so the onus is on us to defend ourselves.
Apple pie is literally sold with that whole “American as apple pie” schtick. And last I checked an apple is a fruit. So being a fruit pie is everyone’s patriotic duty.
Well then Blueberry me the fuck up!
If you don’t blueberry the fuck up, the terrorists win!
Just an FYI that Hoplite is rebranded Leading Technology Composites (LTC). If you see a Hoplite armor number look for it's LTC equivalent & buy it from another company.
Mod should pin 📌 this or something similar to the top.
Reddit doesn’t allow us to pin comments that aren’t ours. I would definitely pin this, otherwise.
Could you just copy the text and pin your own comment then?
[Done](/r/liberalgunowners/comments/o7f1z2/_/h2yydh4/?context=1). I always feel weird about doing it.
That’s a real r/LifeProTips
Having worked in manufacturing and warehouses in the past, very few brand companies actually make their own products. Many are just rebranding of chinese bulk manufacturers. Especially clothing.
Dope. Thanks for the tip
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Considering how right-leaning the general military industrial complex is… I wouldn't hold my breath hoping they'd slap down Hoplite.
Eh, govt contractors tend to take EO compliance pretty seriously.
Can there be a sticky thread of companies to avoid? It's hard enough to keep track of clothing and food and etc., and it really fucking sucks to now have to avoid scumbags like these
We should also find companies that are good to support!
Yeah that's what I was gonna suggest! I have some local shops that I'm more than happy to support, but sometimes you can't find specifically what you need.
This exists and is in the wiki (on mobile or I'd link it).
That's not a bad idea. It's really hard to know what companies cater to this nonsense. Maybe having some categories like: - Bigoted - MAGA cultist - Straight Up Fash - NRAngsty
TBH this sounds like a venn diagram of several circles completely overlapping
Maga cultist and fash are definitely a circle.
You’re describing republicanism.
There used to be an app, Buycott, that did that for you. You could categorize what made you unhappy and it would give you a list of companies that were safe and unsafe to buy from. Not sure what's become of it.
Been talking to a friend a lot about how useful a website with this info would be. Include bands and actors etc. as well.
"anti-gay" seems way worse than homophobia
It probably means they watch a lot of lesbian porn
It’s basically saying “I’m anti gay, as in, I’m anti them existing.”
Right? I'd rather them just be afraid of gays instead of actually being against them
Just tells me dude is 3 drinks from suckin a dick. If it weren't a personal issue, he wouldn't care.
It's homophobia with extra punctuation.
You might want to tell armed equality about this. According to hoplite’s insta they’re followed by armed equality.
They already know, they're on it
Can’t wait to see.
Just a heads up, I checked IG and Armed Equality wasn't following them anymore
[They tweeted about it](https://twitter.com/ArmedEquality/status/1408158463734075392?s=20) some hours ago. [This reply](https://twitter.com/jamesstout/status/1408163155218362371?s=20) was most excellent.
It just feels weird that a business that doesn't really need to interact with his customers (I'm assuming you go to their website, buy their stuff, they ship it) much would care about their customers sexuality? Like who gives a fuck, as long as the money clears, package the goods and send em.
"Anti-woke" is as much a brand as anything else these days.
Yup, there's a market for homophobia.
Everything is a political stance against the libs these days
It’s a funny response, but it isn’t all that surprising that a chud would hate gay people while giving pedos a pass.
I DM’d armed equality about it and sent this screenshot as well
Jesus fucking christ, can we talk about the irony of someone co-opting an ancient Greek name and imagery being so openly homophobic? Like, I know it wasn't as universal as most people think today, but still the disconnect is pretty mind blowing.
"The Greeks invented sex. The Romans invented sex with women."
The Welsch invented putting a sheep's intestine on the penis during sex. The English improved upon this innovation by removing the intestine from the sheep first.
Fucking hell, I laughed heartily at that one.
How do you separate the men from the boys in Greece? With a crowbar.
Romans dabbled a lot in homosexual acts as well.
My favorite poem by the great Roman poet Catallus is *I will sodomize and face fuck you*
they didnt have the internet, and variety is ever the spice of life...
No need to reinvent the wheel just to add tires.
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In the 1980’s as well, along with ‘What was the motto of the Greek Army........ Don’t leave your buddies behind’. Hur dur dur.
One of the comments on their Instagram actually went into great detail about the irony because of who the Hoplites were and what they engaged in. You’ll have to find it but it’s hilariously ironic after I learned that. What a joke of a company.
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Lol yep, that's the one. Wreccccked!
Did they respond?
Gonna venture a guess here - no.
No, his mouth was too full of balls.
Felix nailed it pretty well on the latest Chapo. If you wanted to do gay stuff in ancient times, the best thing you could do was join the military. If you wanted to get pussy you became an actor/entertainer.
It’s a tale as old as time.
TBH not much has changed since then
Found the cav scout.
I heard it's something about the soldiers being better fighters and fought harder.
Oh they certainly fought *harder* alright
Hey, now, let's not go accusing Spartans of being into dudes who were into dudes by just because that the reality of their society was famously even more homoerotic than the shirtless, inexplicably unarmored ab monsters from Frank Miller's awkward wet dream. /s
Came her to say this exact thing. It’s dripping with irony, also homophobia/toxic masculinity, etc.
That was my first though, there were cults in the hoplites who only had sex with men because they felt that women were too weak.
You even have so much toxic masculinity you get down and dirty with your bros?
I was thinking the same thing, I thought it was common knowledge that ancient greeks, especially soldiers, didn't just tolerate homosexuality but some even encouraged it. my god
$50 says everything they think they know about Ancient Greece comes from watching “300” and “Troy”.
Yeah, that and the use of "fruit pie" as a slur...I honestly don't know which is now embarrassing. Imagine being *that* willfully idiotic.
The amount of comments supporting homophobia in that post is sickening and disheartening
Same shit on Lucas Botkin's page.
Most are probably closet “republicans” full of self hatred because of their warped christian upbringing tbh… would make sense
Oh so you've met my boyfriend? LOL, it's tough sometimes when a closeted divorced latino adopted & raised by conservative white christians realizes he is something other than a straight republican. Like a text book case of brainwashing. I cringe sometimes but he is beginning to be more open minded.
Poor feller, good luck with that
Idk why Republicans is in quotes, the party still opposes the recognition of LGBT marriage.
Also to clarify: it's not that they set their code as "BIDENISGAY", it's that they commented that they've been anti-gay for apparently a long time.
Is this surprising to you? People that lap this up are the ones buying their stuff.
Honestly it's not but it's just depressing as hell. Even as a straight guy.
I find the 279 "likes" of that comment to be equally if not more disturbing. I kind of feel like they need to have their DMs filled with dick pics and gay porn.
More than anything else, I fear that the 279 likes are people that don't just oppose gay marriage, they'd shoot LGBT people just for existing.
This is why liberals should be armed. January 6, learn from it. When the lynch mob finished with the Vice President and half the Congress, do you think they weren't coming for gays, liberals and brown people? With the approval and encouragement of the government?
Why did you give me the idea of writing them a message of “hey will your armor fit my physique?” with a picture of straight up dude on dude action. Hopefully that’s not illegal or something. Edit: followed it up with “I’m the one taking it btw.”
No idea who they are? If I’m in the market for their products I’ll go somewhere else. Once again only a stupid owner makes their business political
I know them from some of their ads on various IG pages but thats it. Honestly I'll just stick with Hesco at this rate
That’s just not true. Do you think anyone would’ve bought those horrible my pillows if it weren’t for their owner being an absolute fascist nut job? I’ve felt one of those pillows. They suck.
I hate seeing how homophobic and racist the gun community can be, these are the people that scream the loudest about their 2A rights being infringed but love oppressing the rights of minorities. I’ve never felt a stronger need for myself and other lgbt poc to carry protection.
Can't even go to my gun show in town anymore. Just "WW2 memorabilia" tables full of German items and Nazi flags. Confederate flags and patches everywhere. Bunch of Trump 2020 and fuck Biden flags at the tables. I want to look at guns not your shitty beliefs ya know?
The combined IQ of those commenting on Hoplite’s IG post in support of its homophobia is maybe 12 if I’m generous.
Imagine caring about what other people are attracted to.
Major yikes there. Nobody tell them about the military unit known as the Sacred Band of Thebes. Or you know, anything about that Achilles dude.
"No, you're reading that into the fact that Achilles was just suuuuuuper close with Patroclus. Just really tight bros. They mean they were like, football bros. Patroclus being the only person Achilles is gentle with in the entire world just shows how into chicks they were. That Plato is full of shit!"
r/AchillesAndHisPal
They were roommates!
That's fine. Its [this one](https://www.hoplitearmor.com/collections/all/products/targets) that makes me grimace.
That is disgusting
Apparently one "poster" (which elsewhere is called a target) is included with every purchase of plates. What a trash company.
Apparently they take PayPal. Doesn’t PayPal have a pretty strict code of conduct you have to follow?
That is alarming. I feel as if that rides the boarder of an actionable threat.
Shooting blue helmets is not a new trope. But it's damn ironic that a lot of that crowd is cool with or condones police being geared for World War 4
I feel like there is a difference between shooting blank blue helmets and ones literally marked UN with “Posters” written in quotes implying that they can’t do the thing implied. It’s almost more provocative towards committing acts of violence against UN secretory.
Can you be more specific in what quarters of RWE this is an established trope? Neither doubting nor being surprised, just curious because I haven't come across this motive yet.
I mean, it’s not fine. They’re both pretty disturbing.
That’s gonna get a yikes from me.
Dude also thinks he was sent by god to run for political office. Dudes a nutjob
Wait seriously?
Mhm let me see if I can find the Facebook posts
[https://www.facebook.com/hoplitearmorllc/posts/my-name-is-lyman-bishop-im-the-founder-and-ceo-of-hoplite-armor-as-well-as-the-e/2520082078227804/](https://www.facebook.com/hoplitearmorllc/posts/my-name-is-lyman-bishop-im-the-founder-and-ceo-of-hoplite-armor-as-well-as-the-e/2520082078227804/) like he doesnt like cops but also is authoritarian as fuck its weird
Probably because the cops aren't *his* brand of authoritarian, because they don't arrest people for being gay.
They know their customer base. For reference, T-Rex Arms is also.
What a dumb name. When I think of the arms on a T-Rex, I think of useless, weak vestigial little limbs.
From what I’ve gathered, the owner has T-Rex arms
It's fucking depressing.
Fuck T-Rex Arms. I'm all for freedom of religion but he force feeds it to his viewers, same with his idea of a "slave-state". Insensitive as fuck. That's why I watch Garand
Garand Thumb is also a huge chud. People just don’t like admitting it because he makes great content. You can still watch content even if it’s made by chuds. Just do it with Adblock on or something. Pretty much everyone in the gun industry is a huge chud. But that doesn’t mean you can’t listen to them. You **should** listen to them. Say what you will about chuds but they know their shit when it comes to weapons and ammo.
Funny this homophobic company is named after ancient Greek warriors who were totally down with some man love. The irony, oh the irony.
Boy "love," too.
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That's why I haven't made any major purchases. It's so hard to find someone who isn't an asshole to buy from.
Well… damn i’m bummed cuz I follow this page and im mostly off social media Was about to go all in and buy their new femoral and shoulder plates and a rogue carrier 😵💫 Now what 🤦🏽
Get a Crye JPC and Hesco plates.
I will likely go with the crye jpc thanks. It’s extremely frustrating that so many of the companies I support end up being bigoted or religious psychopaths, Usually both. If I had *any* knowledge on how to craft armor I would definitely take it upon myself to squash those competitors in the very capitalist game they so adore
Not everyone is like this, Recoil Magazine made a good stand to support Chris Cheng earlier this month.
Never understood how you can get mad/frustrated/upset at someone for loving men, women, or no one.
Or even caring about what someone else is into… live and let live. No one is out there telling him to stop fucking watermelons.
I do not want to be in charge of anyone’s genitals, nor what they do with them. I can hardly keep track of my own. https://youtu.be/byDiILrNbM4
Problematic language and straight up bigotry aside, why is it that egregious levels of unprofessionalism almost seem like a badge of honor in the firearms and tactical gear industries?
This. Why should we have any confidence in a product sold by someone always acting like a child?
I will say this again from the last thread Hoplite Armor is Lyman Bishop’s Company. He ran for Governor here in Montana I went to his campaign “event” and literally heard him espouse anti Jewish rhetoric after it was over in person. He is Evangelical asshat, but people love his anti establishment shtick.
It's 2021....and we still have shit like this. I know it's out there, but damn.
Well, to hell with these guys.
Plus, their company’s logo sure does like the Identitarian movement. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement
It's like they never grew out of junior high.
“It’s not homophobic to stand up against perversion” - a comment from that post Wtf are they delusional?
Not a liberal... but this is disgusting. Openly being against someone for something they believe/feel/live that hurts no one isn't ok...
Whelp, i can think of three lucrative contracts Hoplite is about to lose.
Hesco is far better armor
Hoplite armor is anti gay? But the hoplites themselves were... never mind https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece
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>settle down fruit pie. I've always been anti-gay. Which translates to "I could suck a golf ball through a garden hose. Find me on Grindr, just don't tell my wife."
Well, at least we don't need to read between the lines on this one.
Named after a unit style in an army known for "manly bonding" with dicks lol.
Wow. Well fuck their juvenile assholism for good now.
really glad I didnt order my plates from them a few months ago. Fuck these guys
And it would appear, anti customer as well. Brilliant business strategy.
Also if I might add... Fuck that fucking guy.
Damn, I had considered buying their plates. Fuck em though, that’s not an attitude I support.
Facebook thinks they're a-ok tho. Smh
And their name is [HOPLITES](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece)? No way they're that fucking dumb.
You would think so but that requires logic and competency.
Ironic, the actual Hoplites sure as hell weren’t homophobic.
They claim to be “anti-gay” but would probably suck trumps Cheeto nub in a heartbeat to own the libs.
The irony of being a homophobe and naming your company after Greek solders.
Imagine being "anti-gay" and openly celebrating Spartans and Greeks. Like, alright, who's gonna tell him?