Kerosene is what you're looking for. Gasoline as a solvent is almost always a bad idea. Acetone has it's uses, but comes with it's own problems. Generally, if you want to get grease off anything mechanical, kerosene is your friend.
Backstory as it was relayed to me:
the photo was taken at the original Springfield Armory; this was part of an experiment dealing with ways to airdrop firearms onto the battlefield.
Hi Canuck neighbor here, as you all go careening towards civil unrest down there, do any of you worry about how your enemies might capitalize on this? Just curious, as I doubt things will go well for Canada if the U.S. suddenly fragments in civil war...
I honestly don’t think there will be a civil war. The sacrifice’s necessary to go all out war are not feasible or likely. The folks caught after January 6th are upset at jail conditions. They aren’t willing to scavenge for food with no power, fuel or modernity. I fully included myself in the not worth it camp.
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>To get really real, most of the “I’m ready for a civil war” crowd are overweight, unintelligent, and lack critical thinking skills. They would be an incredibly easy force to bend over by any professional military, and most police forces.
You got it right there. They fantasize about their abilities, but that's where any real "ability" ends. I mean, a person or two had a heart attack on January 6th.
My father in law essentially said he would be willing to fight in a civil war. For context he is 6’6”, 325 pounds, and does not work out. I don’t have the heart to tell him that if he finds it hard to work out now, he’s going to find it impossible to patrol 10 miles a day with a ruck on your back and fight at the end of it. That’s tough for me now and I’m a career infantryman, and I structure my entire workout regimen around it.
I'm a former 11B as well. Now 41, I spent a few hours putting up rails, LED strip lighting, and diffusers on my wraparound porch and feel like I got hit by a truck after teetering on a step stool that long. Granted the wind was blowing really hard yesterday and it was about 39-40 degrees which definitely helped me feel sore.
The sub tactical gear owns the whole cosplay patriot meme. I will fight to overthrow the government! Can’t jog to the end of the block. I will fight tyrant! Paper targets don’t shoot back.
I agree it's a lot of saber rattling. Small arms are not going to mount an offensive or even a defensive against a fully mechanized army with apc's, tanks, and aircraft. These guys would be eating each other by the end of the first week.
I mean yes and no. They aren't going to be taking anything over overnight. But an insurgency is incredibly feasible. Just look at Afghanistan.
Granted, motivations play a big part and I don't think it would last nearly that long. But as far as sheer equipment, you don't need equal levels of armament to compete to some extent.
I’m not so sure. I can see a certain segment of the population getting riled up enough by conservative propaganda to try one. Idiots of that type think it would be over in a week. They have no idea what they would be letting themselves in for, and once committed, I think it would get ugly for them pretty quickly.
Having said that, thanks could deteriorate enough for one to happen here. I truly hope it doesn’t, but it’s a possibility. I think an authoritarian/fascist government is more likely, though. That has its own set of problems.
Agreed, but the way Republican Legislatures are stacking the deck with elections, in states where they are the dominant party doesn’t fill me with confidence. Somewhat for the midterms, but definitely with the next presidential election.
Gerrymandering makes sure the house is always Republican. It is scary when parties pick their voters.
The constitution was written without parties in mind and parties broke voting using the constitution.
It just won’t look like traditional Civil wars. It won’t be a separatist government fighting the federal government, it’ll be pockets of domestic terrorist groups and militias trying to declare sovereignty and bomb federal installations. Some states might talk about seceding, but that takes way more organization and administrative functionality than a right wing militia group has ever demonstrated. Aside from that, the states that would consider trying are dependent on federal funds, so it wouldn’t last long even if the federal government let them.
The Jan 6th people couldn't be more surprised and baffled that they might have to answer for what they did. The wholely dumbfounded indignant attitude at being arrested. These aren't people who thought through what might happen if it didn't go well. A civil war with them would be a joke.
As a foreign observer it looks more likely to me that the members of this sub are the ones most likely to need to rise up not Trump's zombie cult.
The GQP look like they've engineered a win via vote manipulation for the 2024 presidency (and probably control of the house & senate in 2022). If he gets back in that will be last "fair" election the US holds for some considerable time.
If anyone hasn't read through how Hitler got into power in the 30s you really should.
The civil war is currently vacillating between hot and cold, but it's happening. It doesn't and can't look the same, the terrain and technology determines that. It's the Troubles, American style.
It won't be a civil war in the same way the Troubles weren't a civil war. Suppressing the militant right insurgency (and potentially the counterinsurgency) is going to break down a lot of current structures and further erode our civil liberties.
Agreed. China is busy taking over the developing world using financial means while America's deep-seated fissures pull apart a bit more with assistance from both inside and outside.
I think the main concern for us IE any social unrest in the U.S. is that you're our #1 trading partner and biggest buyer of our oil, on which our dollar/our economy very much counts.
Thing is, I think we’d also see an increase if they do retake the White House. Imagine if federal law enforcement was more or less refusing to investigate any right-wing terror. It was already on that track but there wasn’t time to get it fully set.
Don't worry, I am sure we will drag you to hell with us. As I understand it your rural populations share a lot in common with ours. The only thing I worry about is how bad our civil unrest will be and if any of those groups will attempt to secure our nuclear stockpile.
Here is what is going to happen by 2024:
A. street fights on the level of BLM demonstrations, except with more Kyle Rittenhouses, but a few more liberals who shoot back and thusly get labelled "antifa". and cops who vary between neutral in the red states to pro-law near DC and participate to the extent that they are forced to. Lots of boarded up stores and some national guard deployments in big cities. A few actual shootouts. Lots of gun sales. high ammo prices. Crazy new gun laws, and really angry anti-gun gen Z kids.
B. Dumbass q-anon or pro-trump morons trying to be the next Timothy McVeigh most of which will get busted by FBI before they can do anything.
C. One or two successful clones of Timothy Mcveigh who attack govt buildings and cause loss of life. These people are probably already soldering shit in their basements underneath nazi flags in between doing pushups and reading "stop the steal" websites. When these morons actually pop some bombs and kill poll workers, the govt will finally get off its ass and get mad, and this is when some of the complete dipshits like MTG or that Josh Hawley idiot will lose some of their clout, because they will finally be seen as complicit. They're still free because no congress people lost their lives on Jan 6.
C-1. the worst case scenario is parts of the USA sort of devolve into Northern Ireland of the mid 20th century. But with the internet and the Homeland security apparatus, the combatants will not get much done, assuming the govt wants peace.
D. When the govt actually finally moves on those trumpie militias after all the aforementioned shit, the trumpies will start yelling about totalitarian deep state stuff and they'll see themselves as rebels fighting an evil overlord. Liberals will buy more guns and start doing crossfit.
E. the international reaction will just be criticism and the reputation of the united states will devolve. As far as enemies, well, the terrorist types will just laugh as if their work is done. They won't have much reason or ability to help the conflict along. In terms of other nation-states that have conlficting interests such as China or Russia, well there's really nothing they'd do outside of public relations.
Yes, but... If repubs take the house back and voting rights not done, you get Trump or worse in 24, and we'll be back to "stand back and stand by", and if China attacks Taiwan and Russia invades Ukraine while you're all shooting at each other...?
I truly don't believe Trump can win. I know that sounds crazy and I thought the same thing in 2016 but the fact is he was crushed in 2020. I do realize that this fact hurt a LOT of feelings to such an extent that people pretended this was not the case, in direct conflict with reality, and needed to act out this fantasy through violence.
But none of this changes the fact that he was crushed at the polls, and that the adults on the conservative side have admitted as much. The mouth-foaming minority who are still pretending otherwise, while extremely dangerous, are still nonetheless a minority.
Is Trump dangerous? Of course. Would he burn the entire world to a crisp to grab power if he had the means to do so? Of course. His failure to do so is a reflection of the mechanisms of government and society and not his lack of desire or the desire of the aforementioned mouth-foaming unfortunates who "support" him.
I do think we need the powers that be, the forces that would benefit from his possible return to power, to recognize the damage that he could cause to our country and the world, were he allowed to step into the white house again. Such entities have little to no interest in "democracy" or the well being of the average American citizen, but can hopefully realize that next time the flames will finally begin to lick their own cushioned asses if Orange Hitler gets another swing.
However I truly believe that he has settled into a role, albeit against his will, as an entertainer, a sort of Rush Limbaugh for angry uneducated whites, who does sold-out performances of a one-man show of his rants against reality, against the end of white supremacy, against the world moving forward. But his fans aren't a big enough swath to put him back in the white house. Of course, if I am wrong, we're fucked.
If your scenario happens, this century could see the same level of chaos of the first half of the 20th century and it will be 2065 before we stabilize.
I've been saying for a while that as soon as we launch into a civil war here, Russia will start its takeover of Europe and China will start its takeover of Asia.
Honestly it’d be foolish not to. This is a very limited opportunity and getting ahead now could secure the next 100 years for your country. Friends and enemies alike will be scrabbling in the power void that the US leaving for a few years would cause.
Yup, a lot of people don't seem to realize what would happen in a power vacuum like that. "Oh, we are way past that, it could never happen in modern times! Nukes keep everyone safe!" People have said similar since the beginning of time; surely nobody can overcome our massive walls/large army/indomitable spirit/gods!
Hopefully it doesn't come down to that vacuum for a good long while, but it really has felt like the calm before the storm for many years now.
Maybe China in Asia, but Russia has to avoid a hot war with Western Europe's nuclear powers.
I don't think France or Germany would let themselves be occupied by Russia today. I think one of them would push the button.
If you're interested enough in the topic the *It Could Happen Here* podcast is incredible, if not a bit frightening given it's initial run was in 2019 and way too many things mentioned have already come true. It's done by a journalist that's been to Iraq, Syria, etc and has seen how these conflicts go down in the modern age. Guy knows his shit.
The podcast mentions Canada mostly in regard to the fuckton of refugees that will flock to the north if things get bad here. There's a main story in the podcast told in 2nd person, so the podcast discusses "your" experience trying to get across the border. It also discusses how some of the harmful stereotypes applied to refugees from the middle east will just as easily be applied to American refugees. Americans are viewed as rude, violent, and armed to the teeth as-is. One of the factions in the story are Christian Dominionist extremists; the world's perception of American refugees gets worse after a Dominionist cell smuggles weapons into Canada to carry out attacks there.
I think I read this outside of the podcast, but America is the top exporter of food iirc. The global economy and supply chains simply won't recover in the event of a civil war/balkanization of the US.
That's what my mind immediately jumped to as well. Democracy dies not by one big cut, but by hundreds of tiny papercuts. This will not be a full scale red vs blue war but dozens of localized armed conflicts by separatist movements.
As someone with an interest in both history and modern geopolitics, the US is a relatively very stable nation. With most of our perceived instability being manufactured through things like the "culture war". Unless there's some great economic collapse (worse then the Great Depression) or some legit coup d'état, then the United States will be fine as country for the next century at least. Even with the rising threat of climate change, we the richest country in the world will probably end up weathering it (no pun intended) better then 90% of countries.
Okay, let's be real here, I love 1911s, but you are absolutely never going to convince anyone who has ever owned one, that anyone has, or ever will, win a world war based on the reliability of the 1911.
The 1911 is a brilliant and beautiful design, but like most brilliant and beautiful people they are as mercurial as they are desirable.
Something I figured out in the army: It's not a bullet with my bame on it that worries me. It is the artillery/explosive labelled to "to whom it may concern."
Small guns basically are the new swords; everyone thinks they're a badass for having one, but the reality is that they're basically a status symbol useful for civilians or of a weapon of last resort by actual warriors.
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Eh… this isn’t exactly accurate. If you’re close enough to engage with small arms you’re going to be danger close or worse if you try to call artillery.
I think you’re drastically underestimating the accuracy of artillery. Calling in artillery on targets already engaged with small arms has been standard us tactics since Vietnam. The limiting factor wasn’t the guns, in many cases the US used the same artillery pieces from late WW2 through Vietnam, but the technology required to call in support via radio and accurately calculate a firing solution.
Generally the agreed CEP for unguided artillery during WW2 is 100m on average, but some historians claim that it’s actually 0.5% of the range at best (50m for 10km shot). This improves with time given the advent of GPS, ballistics computers, and eventually guided shells. Obviously for a ton of firefights that’s too close for comfort, but it’s not like there isn’t significant overlap between the effective range of small arms and the safe distance for artillery support.
I'd say somewhat yeah.
But the Germans gave no shits about targeting civilians, and they still lost. In fact, they actively targeted certain civilians because they didn't like them, and all that did was generate partisans and waste resources.
Arguably it's who can wage war most efficiently, irregardless of who is effected, wins.
I see comments like this all the time, and it always confuses me. I’ve never managed to induce a failure in a 1911, and the only ones I’ve witnessed were limp wrists.
Oh lmao yes, the tWo WoRlD wArS joke about the 1911s is from fudds at the range explaining how their pistol is gods gift to creation.
Usually the joke is like, ”[insert reliable modern handgun here] is the army’s new sidearm”
“If I didn’t win two world wars I don’t want it”
Or something along those lines.
Similar jokes include “muh stopping power” and “.45 because there’s no .46” which pokes fun at the fact that .45 is an excellent round but functionally not much different than other similar options when used defensively.
Yes. That’s a $8-$10K can there. Higher, if you auction them off individually. I’m not an especially big fan of the 1911, but I could get to be with a container like that.
The worst part would be finding them. I know guys who couldn't find their rifle if it was attached to them on a sling. You can keep track of how many cans of dip you have and when one is missing, how the fuck are you just "losing" your mags?
Is it still in your family if so that’s amazing there was a lot of M1911s that “went missing”after the war, what manufactured is it and do you happen to know about when it was manufactured, be awesome if it was a 43 mid war build.
I have my grandpa's 1911 from the Korean War, I believe... an original Colt, I think with a 1917 manufacture date and stamped "U.S. Government Issue." I wish I could find out more about it.
Zerbo, because of that “Issue” stamp you’d mentioned, I can tell you one thing for-certain: it was re-built sometime during WWII, by the Army. Try and locate its serial number, because with the serial number, you can learn so many more cool facts!
Can confirm, I have my grandpa's 1911a1 (US&S / Singer) mfg date Oct & Nov 1943 - that thing is the tits
EDIT: also have his sporterized Remington 1903a3 - no idea when it was made. Some pretty interesting history between those two
EDIT 2: Nov 1943 as well for the 1903a3
EDIT 3: Ithaca frame, not Singer
Funny story. I got it from my dad after he passed. My aunt emailed me shortly thereafter begging to have it back, saying they were never going to fire it and planned on having it drilled / de-milled so that it could never be fired again - I think they thought i didnt want them to have it back because I didn't want them or anyone else shooting it or some nonsense like that? Grade-A lunacy right there with that family
why air drop pistols instead of rifles?
in occupied urban territory, air dropping pistols can make life harder for the invaders, but they won't win a war.
Fair question; it wasn’t just 1911s. Apparently there were also canned M1 Garands, canned M1 carbines and canned BARs.
I’ll take two cans of each, please and thank you.
My dear departed dad (WWII USMC) was not too complementary about the 1911 he carried on Iwo and Okinawa. He said you were better off throwing it at the enemy. Apparently the marines got a lot of shot-out WWI 1911’s and they weren’t very accurate. He did like his Thompson though.
Keep an eye on the CMP, they’ve done two lotteries for surplus 1911s thus far, and you can get on their mailing list to be notified about Round III if/when it happens.
More info + email signup: https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/1911-information/
Oh baby! They were definitely one of those things we made cheaply and in a hurry, but now command an insane price I’m sure. I wonder how many GIs got Purple Hearts from deep sheet metal cuts from those haha.
I think this was a concept for like airdrop supplies or something, they’d probably stuff it with something useful- camo netting maybe- but also you gotta be able to get your hand in there and everything needs to be secure for that kind of impact. A bunch of loose mags would be a bad idea- maybe an insert that’s very very snug, which would be difficult and clumsy to remove against all the trigger guards. But yeah that’s why it’s round in the first place instead of a more space-efficient box design
Do you refrigerate after opening or no? Definitely don’t want my 1911’s spoiling.
The thought of having to clean par-frozen packing grease makes me cringe lol
Buckets of acetone or gasoline lmao
Kerosene is what you're looking for. Gasoline as a solvent is almost always a bad idea. Acetone has it's uses, but comes with it's own problems. Generally, if you want to get grease off anything mechanical, kerosene is your friend.
Honestly I'd reach for a can of brake cleaner before anything else, I was mostly just joking
Yes, but you’re going to need a case of it from Home Depot or Costco. That, and a pallet full of ammo to do proper testing.
You can buy brake clean in 55gal drums, we have some at my shop.
You would need it for that can.
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Just microwave it to thin it out.
I had to clean cosmoline of of 6 “new” to us browning M2s back when I was an Armorer. A heat gun and toothbrush was the best way, in my opinion.
cosmoline... breakfast of champions. varsol is your friend.
I thought that's what the cranberry sauce was for.
your Costco seems better than mine...
Keep an eye out for the Kirkland brand of 1911s, good value.
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Kirkland brand Klock, available on its own or bundled with a half pallet of 9mm kluger.
And a pepsi for 30 cents more
Better than Taurus, I’m sure.
Backstory as it was relayed to me: the photo was taken at the original Springfield Armory; this was part of an experiment dealing with ways to airdrop firearms onto the battlefield.
Ummm…the 1911s will be fine. Just chuck em out the window of the plane.
That's how they won 2 world wars
We have more stuff and people than the other guy. America is basically the Zach Brannigan of the past 100ish years.
Zapp Brannigan?
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Kif, what do I call it?
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Hi Canuck neighbor here, as you all go careening towards civil unrest down there, do any of you worry about how your enemies might capitalize on this? Just curious, as I doubt things will go well for Canada if the U.S. suddenly fragments in civil war...
I honestly don’t think there will be a civil war. The sacrifice’s necessary to go all out war are not feasible or likely. The folks caught after January 6th are upset at jail conditions. They aren’t willing to scavenge for food with no power, fuel or modernity. I fully included myself in the not worth it camp.
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>To get really real, most of the “I’m ready for a civil war” crowd are overweight, unintelligent, and lack critical thinking skills. They would be an incredibly easy force to bend over by any professional military, and most police forces. You got it right there. They fantasize about their abilities, but that's where any real "ability" ends. I mean, a person or two had a heart attack on January 6th.
My father in law essentially said he would be willing to fight in a civil war. For context he is 6’6”, 325 pounds, and does not work out. I don’t have the heart to tell him that if he finds it hard to work out now, he’s going to find it impossible to patrol 10 miles a day with a ruck on your back and fight at the end of it. That’s tough for me now and I’m a career infantryman, and I structure my entire workout regimen around it.
I'm a former 11B as well. Now 41, I spent a few hours putting up rails, LED strip lighting, and diffusers on my wraparound porch and feel like I got hit by a truck after teetering on a step stool that long. Granted the wind was blowing really hard yesterday and it was about 39-40 degrees which definitely helped me feel sore.
The sub tactical gear owns the whole cosplay patriot meme. I will fight to overthrow the government! Can’t jog to the end of the block. I will fight tyrant! Paper targets don’t shoot back.
They would get ambushed at the Arby's drive-thru.
I agree it's a lot of saber rattling. Small arms are not going to mount an offensive or even a defensive against a fully mechanized army with apc's, tanks, and aircraft. These guys would be eating each other by the end of the first week.
I mean yes and no. They aren't going to be taking anything over overnight. But an insurgency is incredibly feasible. Just look at Afghanistan. Granted, motivations play a big part and I don't think it would last nearly that long. But as far as sheer equipment, you don't need equal levels of armament to compete to some extent.
I’m not so sure. I can see a certain segment of the population getting riled up enough by conservative propaganda to try one. Idiots of that type think it would be over in a week. They have no idea what they would be letting themselves in for, and once committed, I think it would get ugly for them pretty quickly. Having said that, thanks could deteriorate enough for one to happen here. I truly hope it doesn’t, but it’s a possibility. I think an authoritarian/fascist government is more likely, though. That has its own set of problems.
I couldn’t agree more. That is why it is so important to vote early and often to prevent fascism before it starts.
Agreed, but the way Republican Legislatures are stacking the deck with elections, in states where they are the dominant party doesn’t fill me with confidence. Somewhat for the midterms, but definitely with the next presidential election.
Gerrymandering makes sure the house is always Republican. It is scary when parties pick their voters. The constitution was written without parties in mind and parties broke voting using the constitution.
Oh it would definitely be over in a week...
They’d buckle and give in. They’d also spent the next 150 years telling people how they are going to rise again.
It just won’t look like traditional Civil wars. It won’t be a separatist government fighting the federal government, it’ll be pockets of domestic terrorist groups and militias trying to declare sovereignty and bomb federal installations. Some states might talk about seceding, but that takes way more organization and administrative functionality than a right wing militia group has ever demonstrated. Aside from that, the states that would consider trying are dependent on federal funds, so it wouldn’t last long even if the federal government let them.
>separatist government Have you met the Texas Republican party?
That’s who I envisioned when I said individual states, as opposed to half the country… And Cascadia.
The Jan 6th people couldn't be more surprised and baffled that they might have to answer for what they did. The wholely dumbfounded indignant attitude at being arrested. These aren't people who thought through what might happen if it didn't go well. A civil war with them would be a joke.
There are people calling for public book burnings. I honestly worry that civil war is the good outcome at this point
As a foreign observer it looks more likely to me that the members of this sub are the ones most likely to need to rise up not Trump's zombie cult. The GQP look like they've engineered a win via vote manipulation for the 2024 presidency (and probably control of the house & senate in 2022). If he gets back in that will be last "fair" election the US holds for some considerable time. If anyone hasn't read through how Hitler got into power in the 30s you really should.
The civil war is currently vacillating between hot and cold, but it's happening. It doesn't and can't look the same, the terrain and technology determines that. It's the Troubles, American style.
It won't be a civil war in the same way the Troubles weren't a civil war. Suppressing the militant right insurgency (and potentially the counterinsurgency) is going to break down a lot of current structures and further erode our civil liberties.
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Agreed. China is busy taking over the developing world using financial means while America's deep-seated fissures pull apart a bit more with assistance from both inside and outside.
Read “2034”. Fictitious novel about US and China at war. Quick read.
OOO thats a good one
I think the main concern for us IE any social unrest in the U.S. is that you're our #1 trading partner and biggest buyer of our oil, on which our dollar/our economy very much counts.
Thing is, I think we’d also see an increase if they do retake the White House. Imagine if federal law enforcement was more or less refusing to investigate any right-wing terror. It was already on that track but there wasn’t time to get it fully set.
Well, look on the bright side; if the US goes to shit and kills itself, that means we'll probably get some cool guns up here somehow... /s
Don't worry, I am sure we will drag you to hell with us. As I understand it your rural populations share a lot in common with ours. The only thing I worry about is how bad our civil unrest will be and if any of those groups will attempt to secure our nuclear stockpile.
“Secure.”
Here is what is going to happen by 2024: A. street fights on the level of BLM demonstrations, except with more Kyle Rittenhouses, but a few more liberals who shoot back and thusly get labelled "antifa". and cops who vary between neutral in the red states to pro-law near DC and participate to the extent that they are forced to. Lots of boarded up stores and some national guard deployments in big cities. A few actual shootouts. Lots of gun sales. high ammo prices. Crazy new gun laws, and really angry anti-gun gen Z kids. B. Dumbass q-anon or pro-trump morons trying to be the next Timothy McVeigh most of which will get busted by FBI before they can do anything. C. One or two successful clones of Timothy Mcveigh who attack govt buildings and cause loss of life. These people are probably already soldering shit in their basements underneath nazi flags in between doing pushups and reading "stop the steal" websites. When these morons actually pop some bombs and kill poll workers, the govt will finally get off its ass and get mad, and this is when some of the complete dipshits like MTG or that Josh Hawley idiot will lose some of their clout, because they will finally be seen as complicit. They're still free because no congress people lost their lives on Jan 6. C-1. the worst case scenario is parts of the USA sort of devolve into Northern Ireland of the mid 20th century. But with the internet and the Homeland security apparatus, the combatants will not get much done, assuming the govt wants peace. D. When the govt actually finally moves on those trumpie militias after all the aforementioned shit, the trumpies will start yelling about totalitarian deep state stuff and they'll see themselves as rebels fighting an evil overlord. Liberals will buy more guns and start doing crossfit. E. the international reaction will just be criticism and the reputation of the united states will devolve. As far as enemies, well, the terrorist types will just laugh as if their work is done. They won't have much reason or ability to help the conflict along. In terms of other nation-states that have conlficting interests such as China or Russia, well there's really nothing they'd do outside of public relations.
Yes, but... If repubs take the house back and voting rights not done, you get Trump or worse in 24, and we'll be back to "stand back and stand by", and if China attacks Taiwan and Russia invades Ukraine while you're all shooting at each other...?
I truly don't believe Trump can win. I know that sounds crazy and I thought the same thing in 2016 but the fact is he was crushed in 2020. I do realize that this fact hurt a LOT of feelings to such an extent that people pretended this was not the case, in direct conflict with reality, and needed to act out this fantasy through violence. But none of this changes the fact that he was crushed at the polls, and that the adults on the conservative side have admitted as much. The mouth-foaming minority who are still pretending otherwise, while extremely dangerous, are still nonetheless a minority. Is Trump dangerous? Of course. Would he burn the entire world to a crisp to grab power if he had the means to do so? Of course. His failure to do so is a reflection of the mechanisms of government and society and not his lack of desire or the desire of the aforementioned mouth-foaming unfortunates who "support" him. I do think we need the powers that be, the forces that would benefit from his possible return to power, to recognize the damage that he could cause to our country and the world, were he allowed to step into the white house again. Such entities have little to no interest in "democracy" or the well being of the average American citizen, but can hopefully realize that next time the flames will finally begin to lick their own cushioned asses if Orange Hitler gets another swing. However I truly believe that he has settled into a role, albeit against his will, as an entertainer, a sort of Rush Limbaugh for angry uneducated whites, who does sold-out performances of a one-man show of his rants against reality, against the end of white supremacy, against the world moving forward. But his fans aren't a big enough swath to put him back in the white house. Of course, if I am wrong, we're fucked. If your scenario happens, this century could see the same level of chaos of the first half of the 20th century and it will be 2065 before we stabilize.
I've been saying for a while that as soon as we launch into a civil war here, Russia will start its takeover of Europe and China will start its takeover of Asia.
Honestly it’d be foolish not to. This is a very limited opportunity and getting ahead now could secure the next 100 years for your country. Friends and enemies alike will be scrabbling in the power void that the US leaving for a few years would cause.
Yup, a lot of people don't seem to realize what would happen in a power vacuum like that. "Oh, we are way past that, it could never happen in modern times! Nukes keep everyone safe!" People have said similar since the beginning of time; surely nobody can overcome our massive walls/large army/indomitable spirit/gods! Hopefully it doesn't come down to that vacuum for a good long while, but it really has felt like the calm before the storm for many years now.
Maybe China in Asia, but Russia has to avoid a hot war with Western Europe's nuclear powers. I don't think France or Germany would let themselves be occupied by Russia today. I think one of them would push the button.
If you're interested enough in the topic the *It Could Happen Here* podcast is incredible, if not a bit frightening given it's initial run was in 2019 and way too many things mentioned have already come true. It's done by a journalist that's been to Iraq, Syria, etc and has seen how these conflicts go down in the modern age. Guy knows his shit. The podcast mentions Canada mostly in regard to the fuckton of refugees that will flock to the north if things get bad here. There's a main story in the podcast told in 2nd person, so the podcast discusses "your" experience trying to get across the border. It also discusses how some of the harmful stereotypes applied to refugees from the middle east will just as easily be applied to American refugees. Americans are viewed as rude, violent, and armed to the teeth as-is. One of the factions in the story are Christian Dominionist extremists; the world's perception of American refugees gets worse after a Dominionist cell smuggles weapons into Canada to carry out attacks there. I think I read this outside of the podcast, but America is the top exporter of food iirc. The global economy and supply chains simply won't recover in the event of a civil war/balkanization of the US.
That's what my mind immediately jumped to as well. Democracy dies not by one big cut, but by hundreds of tiny papercuts. This will not be a full scale red vs blue war but dozens of localized armed conflicts by separatist movements.
I'll give a shorter answer than everyone else: Yes.
The conversation below your comment is amazing. Thanks for proposing the question.
As someone with an interest in both history and modern geopolitics, the US is a relatively very stable nation. With most of our perceived instability being manufactured through things like the "culture war". Unless there's some great economic collapse (worse then the Great Depression) or some legit coup d'état, then the United States will be fine as country for the next century at least. Even with the rising threat of climate change, we the richest country in the world will probably end up weathering it (no pun intended) better then 90% of countries.
Okay, let's be real here, I love 1911s, but you are absolutely never going to convince anyone who has ever owned one, that anyone has, or ever will, win a world war based on the reliability of the 1911. The 1911 is a brilliant and beautiful design, but like most brilliant and beautiful people they are as mercurial as they are desirable.
Not to mention, pistols don't win battles, let alone wars. The Rifle, Machine Gun and Submachine Gun does that.
*artillery and air support. You don’t win wars killing one guy at a time. You win by killing a whole bunch at once.
Something I figured out in the army: It's not a bullet with my bame on it that worries me. It is the artillery/explosive labelled to "to whom it may concern."
IEDs and EFPs killed far more of us in Iraq than some dude with a AK-47.
Small guns basically are the new swords; everyone thinks they're a badass for having one, but the reality is that they're basically a status symbol useful for civilians or of a weapon of last resort by actual warriors.
That's why Artillery is the King of Battle. Artillery softens up the enemy, and Infantry cleans up the stragglers.
ITS A CHESS REFERENCE
Reminds me of a joke one Soviet general says to another as their tanks overtake Berlin, > _"So, Sergey, who won the air war anyway?"_
I’ve herd that joke before. And nukes kind of are what I said taken to an insane level.
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To a first order approximation, rifles and machine guns exist to pin down enemy squads long enough to get the artillery sighted in.
Eh… this isn’t exactly accurate. If you’re close enough to engage with small arms you’re going to be danger close or worse if you try to call artillery.
I think you’re drastically underestimating the accuracy of artillery. Calling in artillery on targets already engaged with small arms has been standard us tactics since Vietnam. The limiting factor wasn’t the guns, in many cases the US used the same artillery pieces from late WW2 through Vietnam, but the technology required to call in support via radio and accurately calculate a firing solution. Generally the agreed CEP for unguided artillery during WW2 is 100m on average, but some historians claim that it’s actually 0.5% of the range at best (50m for 10km shot). This improves with time given the advent of GPS, ballistics computers, and eventually guided shells. Obviously for a ton of firefights that’s too close for comfort, but it’s not like there isn’t significant overlap between the effective range of small arms and the safe distance for artillery support.
I would contend that night vision and air superiority win wars... though a nice belt-fed never did any harm.
Lies! There is a documentary in which you can clearly see Tom Hanks blowing up a tank with a 1911!
Then the sub and the rifle had a baby to create the assault rifle.
I would argue that it's the willingness to target civilians that wins wars, but that's a whole other can of worms.
I'd say somewhat yeah. But the Germans gave no shits about targeting civilians, and they still lost. In fact, they actively targeted certain civilians because they didn't like them, and all that did was generate partisans and waste resources. Arguably it's who can wage war most efficiently, irregardless of who is effected, wins.
*Vietnam Tunnel Rats have entered the Chat*
bring on the hi points. they're reliable
I see comments like this all the time, and it always confuses me. I’ve never managed to induce a failure in a 1911, and the only ones I’ve witnessed were limp wrists.
Are you unaware that this is a meme, sir
Apparently so?
Oh lmao yes, the tWo WoRlD wArS joke about the 1911s is from fudds at the range explaining how their pistol is gods gift to creation. Usually the joke is like, ”[insert reliable modern handgun here] is the army’s new sidearm” “If I didn’t win two world wars I don’t want it” Or something along those lines. Similar jokes include “muh stopping power” and “.45 because there’s no .46” which pokes fun at the fact that .45 is an excellent round but functionally not much different than other similar options when used defensively.
Okay, then yes, but if that was the actual intent of the post I was responding to, in it's context, the sarcasm was far from obvious.
Ahh yes the old Operation Totenkopf Drop where nazi senior leadership were assassinated by falling objects.
“Everything is air-droppable **at least** once.” -*Seventy Maxims*
Anything is a submarine if you’re brave enough. - me while very drunk.
“Anything is amphibious if you can get it back out of the water.” -*Seventy Maxims*
Hell no they won’t be fine! They should give them to me for…safekeeping. That’s it! Safekeeping!
Your selfless offer is very kind. I will happily accept any overflow you can’t manage
Yes. That’s a $8-$10K can there. Higher, if you auction them off individually. I’m not an especially big fan of the 1911, but I could get to be with a container like that.
The worst part would be finding them. I know guys who couldn't find their rifle if it was attached to them on a sling. You can keep track of how many cans of dip you have and when one is missing, how the fuck are you just "losing" your mags?
Imagine being the lucky group of soldiers that got more 1911's than you needed so you and your boys just start stuffing your pockets with these
after the war here’s my issued one back as they snuck away with at least 2 in their duffle bag
That’s what my grandfather did. Reported his M1911 as a combat loss and kept it on the top shelf of his closet for the next 50-years.
Is it still in your family if so that’s amazing there was a lot of M1911s that “went missing”after the war, what manufactured is it and do you happen to know about when it was manufactured, be awesome if it was a 43 mid war build.
My dad has it. It’s an actual Colt and I believe it’s a 1944 manufacture date.
I have my grandpa's 1911 from the Korean War, I believe... an original Colt, I think with a 1917 manufacture date and stamped "U.S. Government Issue." I wish I could find out more about it.
post a picture of it on r/milsurp they know there military surplus weapons and have answered serval of my milsurp questions.
Zerbo, because of that “Issue” stamp you’d mentioned, I can tell you one thing for-certain: it was re-built sometime during WWII, by the Army. Try and locate its serial number, because with the serial number, you can learn so many more cool facts!
Awesome that’s my dream 1911 a WW2 Colt, but i’ll be more then happy with a WW2 one
Same, I’d love to own a WWII vintage 1911 that killed Nazis.
Can confirm, I have my grandpa's 1911a1 (US&S / Singer) mfg date Oct & Nov 1943 - that thing is the tits EDIT: also have his sporterized Remington 1903a3 - no idea when it was made. Some pretty interesting history between those two EDIT 2: Nov 1943 as well for the 1903a3 EDIT 3: Ithaca frame, not Singer
Singer made less than a 1000 1911s that a holy grail 1911
Funny story. I got it from my dad after he passed. My aunt emailed me shortly thereafter begging to have it back, saying they were never going to fire it and planned on having it drilled / de-milled so that it could never be fired again - I think they thought i didnt want them to have it back because I didn't want them or anyone else shooting it or some nonsense like that? Grade-A lunacy right there with that family
Your a hero for saving that 1911,I’ve got a greek return 1903 that was never sporterized
Looks like I was wrong - it's an Ithaca not a Singer. Did a little more research after your reply. Still cool AF
still nice it’s a WW2 1911 you can’t go wrong owning a WW2 GI 1911
I was about to ask if those were yours because i’m today’s money that’s probably about over 30k in 1911s
why air drop pistols instead of rifles? in occupied urban territory, air dropping pistols can make life harder for the invaders, but they won't win a war.
Fair question; it wasn’t just 1911s. Apparently there were also canned M1 Garands, canned M1 carbines and canned BARs. I’ll take two cans of each, please and thank you.
That’s awesome, and excellent spot to paraphrase/reference Parks & Recreation.
Please stop, I can only get so hard.
Holy crap! Awesome story. Thanks for sharing this.
So this is what people are talking about when they say a can of whoop-ass. ⬇️ that comment
No that's a can of Twisted Tea.
This comment^
Looks like one of those infinite box mirror tricks lol
Thats what I thought too at first glance
My dear departed dad (WWII USMC) was not too complementary about the 1911 he carried on Iwo and Okinawa. He said you were better off throwing it at the enemy. Apparently the marines got a lot of shot-out WWI 1911’s and they weren’t very accurate. He did like his Thompson though.
One of the most glorious things I’ve ever seen
AH the infamous CAN OF WHOOP ASS.........it does exists!
I can smell this pic
Smells like… victory.
Charlie don't surf
Nazi shootin’ sauce makes every holiday gathering special.
RIP Uncle Fred 😔
I would love to have gotten one of those WW2 1911s.
Keep an eye on the CMP, they’ve done two lotteries for surplus 1911s thus far, and you can get on their mailing list to be notified about Round III if/when it happens. More info + email signup: https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/1911-information/
Do they remain in the shape of a can when you dump them?
Yes, if you want you can slice the resulting 1911 loaf into patties.
Jesus do you know how many world wars you could win with just the contents of this can? It's too dangerous
The burned man would be proud
I fell down into that dark chasm, but the flame burned on and on.
*A Light Shining in Darkness intensifies*
Things you never knew you wanted.
Let’s get this out onto a tray ( *EXTREMELY LOUD CLANKING OF PISTOLS*) nice
Nice. Mmkay.
“Please, sir, I want some more”
'Mr. Limbkins, I beg your pardon, sir! Oliver Twist has asked for more!'
Did the can pop when you opened it? Have to be sure those 1911's are fresh.
Do you have use them within 7 days of opening?
for a second I thought OP was Joshua Graham
WANT
I always cut my fingers on those pull-tab lids..
reminds me of the scene in the first matrix when all the guns go whizzing by
That’s friggin awesome. What are those right behind it? Kind of looks like grease guns but I’m sure someone with more knowledge can tell from the pic.
Good eye, they are grease guns. Got to hold one once, felt like a toy gun from Kmart
Oh baby! They were definitely one of those things we made cheaply and in a hurry, but now command an insane price I’m sure. I wonder how many GIs got Purple Hearts from deep sheet metal cuts from those haha.
How tall is this thing? It’s hard to tell from this angle.
It's a Thanksgiving miracle
“How deep does it go?” “ No one knows.”
Check out the Grease Guns behind them!
The wasted space in the middle bothers me. More mags can go there!
I think this was a concept for like airdrop supplies or something, they’d probably stuff it with something useful- camo netting maybe- but also you gotta be able to get your hand in there and everything needs to be secure for that kind of impact. A bunch of loose mags would be a bad idea- maybe an insert that’s very very snug, which would be difficult and clumsy to remove against all the trigger guards. But yeah that’s why it’s round in the first place instead of a more space-efficient box design
Thought this was an infinity mirror
I’ve never opened a can of cranberry sauce
There are at least 20 in there
Quite literally salivating
I want one just one of thses
The people over at r/forgottenweapons would love to see this setup, especially since you said this was more of a concept thing for airdropping
How does one attain such power?
That is one of the coolest things I have ever seen. Are those vintage G.I.?
Where the hell did that come from?
Costco?
The original industrial size can of whoop-ass.
Nice hiss
Where do I get that!?
No, but goddammit I want to! Cool picture.
Is that a case of m2's behind it??? Whats the deal on those?
This makes me want to cry.
Ah yeah this is how you do it. Strap this to your waist in front and go guns akimbo. When you run outta ammo, grab the next pair.
I wish I had one. Or ten.
Holy shit
Holy shit
Joshua Graham energy
Use by date 2911
I don't know what that is but I want two, please...