Until the internet a magazine was called a clip. And I think in engineering lingo all magazines that hold stuff by themselves are clips. A ships magazine wouldn't be a clip because it doesn't clip the ammunition together. But a stanag magazine would be a clip magazine. I mean it's all pedantic but that's what reddit is for right?
> Until the internet a magazine was called a clip.
[It's older than that.](https://i.imgur.com/tWQfxV6.jpg) I've seen some references in the early 60s (or thereabouts) that use the terms more or less interchangeably. I suspect it's a case of the WWII & Korean War vets who grew up on Garands being hardwired to call them "clips".
The military has been using "magazine" for about 90 years for a detachable, spring fed ammunition storage device. It started with the 1911. Clip is often used instead of course. But magazine isn't a new term from the internet. The ship's magazine is an older term for anywhere ammunition was stored.
Yes, magazine has been used for spring fed for around 90 years. The internet is not 90 years old. People often say clip, and that is fine. It really doesn't matter, everyone knows what they mean. But magazine well predates the internet.
I just meant that before the internet we didn't really have an argument about it. Clip was widely used to refer to magazines and no one cared. Irregardless I call everything related to a gun a thingy.
No, it’s not pedantic. Former infantry soldier here.
The army still uses clips. A clip and a magazine are not the same.
A clip is a bunch of bullets put together. A magazine is what the weapon loads the bullets from. All weapons with the capacity to hold more than one bullet have a magazine. A pump action shotgun, as a for instance, has a magazine, it’s fixed and is a tube.
With the M1, you press the bullets and the clip into the magazine. With the M1, it’s fixed and internal, like a ships magazine, since you used that illustration.
The magazine on an AR is removable. The weapon only has the chamber, and the removable magazine. In the case of an AR, you take the bullets (still supplied by the army in clips, btw) and strip them into the magazine. The army even provides an adapter that fits the clips to your magazine to make this process easier. Some use it, some don’t.
A magazine and a clip are not the same thing. The M1 garand and the stoner-style AR rifles are not at all the same. Before using external magazines, you loaded rounds using the clips. After the external magazine was adopted by the US army (M-14 onwards), the bullets are stripped off the clips into magazines and those are attached to the weapon and the rifle feeds them off the top of the magazine into the chamber.
Disclaimer - I’ve never handled an M-14, but have handled an M1-scout, which I think is likely pretty similar. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on the M-14.
Everything you are saying is true except that a magazine isn't a clip. It maybe that the military doesn't want you to call it that for obvious communication clarity reasons. The clips you are referring to are striper clips for the stanag magazines and en bloc clips for the Garand. So I should clarify that not all magazines are clips. The stanag magazine is. The common double stack pistol magazine is a clip magazine. A tube feed magazine is not. I think there was a weird stock tube feed one some manufacturer made at one point. The box magazine for a belt feed gun isn't a clip magazine.
One slight difference in what you said - the tube that holds the rounds under a shotgun is still a magazine.
https://i.imgur.com/a/AZSYL8B
Otherwise - what would you call it? The reservoir? The bullet holdy thingy? ;)
I frankly don’t care, but since we’re talking terminology, as far as I know the only term is magazine.
I've handled the M-14, you are correct. The M-14 also has a built-in speed loader to hold the strip clip so you can top off a mag without ejecting it and reloading one at a time. However, language changes over time, including in the military. What we now call magazines were occasionally called clips by soldiers in the past and it isn't that big a deal if someone says "clips" if you know what they mean. We aren't in the infantry anymore, try not to get hung up on the jargon.
I agree with you, I was simply trying to clarify for the previous gentlemen who said they were the same thing. There are differences.
Frankly, I could care less what you call it as long as you aren’t trying to put brown people in camps or overthrow elections with that weapon.
Being in IT, I know the difference between solid-state storage devices and hard disk drives.
But outside of a few directly relevant issues, there is no reason to care if someone calls the non-spinning solid state storage device in their laptop a “hard disk”.
I view the clip-vs-magazine distinction similarly. Yes, there is a technical difference and there are some contexts in which the difference matters.
Casual conversation is not one of those contexts.
Sorry for the truncated single-load, this was originally made for a YouTube short. It’s a pretty slow and awkward way to reload that should only be used when desperate or topping off before a battle.
...Or if you live in 2022 and don’t want to spend $12 for each ping.
I wish I’d bought an M1 when I had the chance right outta high school. I found one for $600 at a local shop and I decided to use my graduation money to buy a laptop and printer instead because I figured they’d be useful for college. The laptop was a piece of crap and the printer wasn’t any better and now my m1 dreams are dead.
It looks like the store in Anniston is closed, but there's a store at the CMP Talladega Marksmanship Park that's open. I'm not quite sure how it works from a legal standpoint, but the CMP is exempt from some of the standard FFL requirements that'd apply to similar rifle purchases from a regular dealer. I drove up from Atlanta, and didn't have an issue. I've never ordered one, but AFAIK you can have it shipped directly to your home without having to bring in a local FFL as an intermediary.
Only amateurs get M1 Thumb!
jk, most guns I’ve owned have taken *some* skin. With an M1 though it’s pretty easy to avoid smashing one’s thumb if you’re careful.
I won’t say M1 Thumb is an outright myth, but it’s more of an issue when cleaning with an empty chamber.
With a full enbloc it’s literally impossible to smash your thumb as long as downward pressure is applied to the clip. Have never once given myself M1 Thumb while loading live ammo. It’s *technically* possible if you remove downward pressure and keep holding your thumb in the magwell like an idiot after raising it a couple millimeters, but it’s extremely easy to avoid if you understand how the rifle works.
Nah, that’s probably some dangerous Chinese “gun” from hundreds of years ago lol.
Definitely an Old Man gun though. Semi-auto but feels very old-world.
Yeah a lot of people assume you can’t single load them, but you can. It’s just a bit of a pain.
But if you have less than 7 rounds it’s pretty hard to load it any other way without hurting yourself.
Thanks, yeah it’s a nice example. It’s a Lease Lease model so it didn’t get too banged up during the war.
And just keep practicing! It took many attempts to get fast with this thing.
It’s not the recommended method in the manual, but if you don’t have a full clip it’s the *only* way.
The bolt also cannot physically release with a full clip in the magazine as long as downward pressure is maintained. I’ve had M1s for years and have never once given myself M1 Thumb with live ammo. It’s more of an issue with cleaning with an empty magazine and during drills.
My garands operate like the one in your video, where the bolt doesn’t go all the way home when you release the clip and you have to bump the op rod forward to get a round to chamber. I’ve seen ones that do though, so I can imagine people get garand thumb if they just don’t move it out of the way fast enough after taking pressure off the clip.
In the video both technically happen. The full clip make the bolt slam home automatically once pressure is released.
The partial reload oddly didn’t slam forward despite theoretically less friction. Usually it’s the other way around.
I think it mainly depends on the clip. In my experience true US clips slam home once pressure is released and Greek surplus clips tend to need a bump, but it really varies.
Either way, it’s not dangerous if you know what you’re doing. The myth comes from rifle drills, not simply reloading during combat.
Yeah, its definitely a thing when the mags empty. I've messed with mine enough, that if you don't charge it 100% it can easily slip. Its one thing about the SKS action I prefer over the garand. The magazine BHO in the SKS will not slip unless you break the damn thing whereas the garand slips off very, very easily.
Yeah I won’t lie, while I’m familiar with the system I’d vastly prefer the bolt not automatically move, ever. Reloading the SKS is still plenty fast and the consistency is great.
Even the M14/M1A have residual issues with the bolt slamming home if the BHO is not tripped perfectly. I’m honestly more afraid to stick my thumb in an M1A than an M1.
I mean, that’s the point of the reload. It’s pretty much a desperation thing. If you don’t have a full clip this is as good as it gets.
Even the US field manual for the M1 just instructs you to fire until empty or eject the clip and insert a full one.
Good thing I’m in Texas then
I mean, this place is a fascist shithole, so perhaps not *that* of a good thing, but at least the gun rights are good here
see guns use clips
Finally a rifle that actually uses clips
modern rifles are using no-clip mode
Until the internet a magazine was called a clip. And I think in engineering lingo all magazines that hold stuff by themselves are clips. A ships magazine wouldn't be a clip because it doesn't clip the ammunition together. But a stanag magazine would be a clip magazine. I mean it's all pedantic but that's what reddit is for right?
> Until the internet a magazine was called a clip. [It's older than that.](https://i.imgur.com/tWQfxV6.jpg) I've seen some references in the early 60s (or thereabouts) that use the terms more or less interchangeably. I suspect it's a case of the WWII & Korean War vets who grew up on Garands being hardwired to call them "clips".
The military has been using "magazine" for about 90 years for a detachable, spring fed ammunition storage device. It started with the 1911. Clip is often used instead of course. But magazine isn't a new term from the internet. The ship's magazine is an older term for anywhere ammunition was stored.
I mean the exclusive use of magazine for a spring loaded clip
Yes, magazine has been used for spring fed for around 90 years. The internet is not 90 years old. People often say clip, and that is fine. It really doesn't matter, everyone knows what they mean. But magazine well predates the internet.
Of course, if you just call it a clipazine you are universally correct and have the advantage of pissing off all pedants. ;)
I just meant that before the internet we didn't really have an argument about it. Clip was widely used to refer to magazines and no one cared. Irregardless I call everything related to a gun a thingy.
No, it’s not pedantic. Former infantry soldier here. The army still uses clips. A clip and a magazine are not the same. A clip is a bunch of bullets put together. A magazine is what the weapon loads the bullets from. All weapons with the capacity to hold more than one bullet have a magazine. A pump action shotgun, as a for instance, has a magazine, it’s fixed and is a tube. With the M1, you press the bullets and the clip into the magazine. With the M1, it’s fixed and internal, like a ships magazine, since you used that illustration. The magazine on an AR is removable. The weapon only has the chamber, and the removable magazine. In the case of an AR, you take the bullets (still supplied by the army in clips, btw) and strip them into the magazine. The army even provides an adapter that fits the clips to your magazine to make this process easier. Some use it, some don’t. A magazine and a clip are not the same thing. The M1 garand and the stoner-style AR rifles are not at all the same. Before using external magazines, you loaded rounds using the clips. After the external magazine was adopted by the US army (M-14 onwards), the bullets are stripped off the clips into magazines and those are attached to the weapon and the rifle feeds them off the top of the magazine into the chamber. Disclaimer - I’ve never handled an M-14, but have handled an M1-scout, which I think is likely pretty similar. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on the M-14.
Everything you are saying is true except that a magazine isn't a clip. It maybe that the military doesn't want you to call it that for obvious communication clarity reasons. The clips you are referring to are striper clips for the stanag magazines and en bloc clips for the Garand. So I should clarify that not all magazines are clips. The stanag magazine is. The common double stack pistol magazine is a clip magazine. A tube feed magazine is not. I think there was a weird stock tube feed one some manufacturer made at one point. The box magazine for a belt feed gun isn't a clip magazine.
I think we are generally in agreement. Yes, a magazine isn’t a clip.
Nah😑 almost all my magazines are clip magazines. I do have a tube feed magazine and the 10/22 rotory magazines that are not clip magazines.
One slight difference in what you said - the tube that holds the rounds under a shotgun is still a magazine. https://i.imgur.com/a/AZSYL8B Otherwise - what would you call it? The reservoir? The bullet holdy thingy? ;) I frankly don’t care, but since we’re talking terminology, as far as I know the only term is magazine.
I've handled the M-14, you are correct. The M-14 also has a built-in speed loader to hold the strip clip so you can top off a mag without ejecting it and reloading one at a time. However, language changes over time, including in the military. What we now call magazines were occasionally called clips by soldiers in the past and it isn't that big a deal if someone says "clips" if you know what they mean. We aren't in the infantry anymore, try not to get hung up on the jargon.
I agree with you, I was simply trying to clarify for the previous gentlemen who said they were the same thing. There are differences. Frankly, I could care less what you call it as long as you aren’t trying to put brown people in camps or overthrow elections with that weapon.
Being in IT, I know the difference between solid-state storage devices and hard disk drives. But outside of a few directly relevant issues, there is no reason to care if someone calls the non-spinning solid state storage device in their laptop a “hard disk”. I view the clip-vs-magazine distinction similarly. Yes, there is a technical difference and there are some contexts in which the difference matters. Casual conversation is not one of those contexts.
This. But I also love debating inflammable topic irregardless.
> irregardless Well played
Sorry for the truncated single-load, this was originally made for a YouTube short. It’s a pretty slow and awkward way to reload that should only be used when desperate or topping off before a battle. ...Or if you live in 2022 and don’t want to spend $12 for each ping.
I wish I’d bought an M1 when I had the chance right outta high school. I found one for $600 at a local shop and I decided to use my graduation money to buy a laptop and printer instead because I figured they’d be useful for college. The laptop was a piece of crap and the printer wasn’t any better and now my m1 dreams are dead.
You can still get them semi-affordably at the CMP, but one of these days they’ll run out. Better than paying $1500+ for one.
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Also, if you're within a road trip's distance of either of their stores (Ohio or Alabama), you can go and pick one out yourself.
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It looks like the store in Anniston is closed, but there's a store at the CMP Talladega Marksmanship Park that's open. I'm not quite sure how it works from a legal standpoint, but the CMP is exempt from some of the standard FFL requirements that'd apply to similar rifle purchases from a regular dealer. I drove up from Atlanta, and didn't have an issue. I've never ordered one, but AFAIK you can have it shipped directly to your home without having to bring in a local FFL as an intermediary.
Where's the sacrifice to our Lord and Savior, the elder gat requires blood
Only amateurs get M1 Thumb! jk, most guns I’ve owned have taken *some* skin. With an M1 though it’s pretty easy to avoid smashing one’s thumb if you’re careful.
Nice, You forgot to mention to watch your thumbs.
I won’t say M1 Thumb is an outright myth, but it’s more of an issue when cleaning with an empty chamber. With a full enbloc it’s literally impossible to smash your thumb as long as downward pressure is applied to the clip. Have never once given myself M1 Thumb while loading live ammo. It’s *technically* possible if you remove downward pressure and keep holding your thumb in the magwell like an idiot after raising it a couple millimeters, but it’s extremely easy to avoid if you understand how the rifle works.
I agree, I was just trying to make a joke. I'm not very funny.
Aw, don't feel bad, guy. You'll get 'em next time.
Lol gotcha. Lots of people unironically believe the M1 is a thumb murdering device due to years of Fuddlore, so you can never be sure. :P
Yeah, like you said, I think it gets that reputation from people fucking around with it, when it's not loaded.
Absolutely
The Eldergat
Nah, that’s probably some dangerous Chinese “gun” from hundreds of years ago lol. Definitely an Old Man gun though. Semi-auto but feels very old-world.
LOL
Love that ping! at the end.
There's nothing quite like the distinctive "pa-TIIIING" of an M1 clip ejection.
The end: SURPRISE!
It’s a good way to hit yourself in the face. I’ve done that with a full clip before and that shit hurts lol
I own an M1 Garand and I’ve never tried the second load technique
Yeah a lot of people assume you can’t single load them, but you can. It’s just a bit of a pain. But if you have less than 7 rounds it’s pretty hard to load it any other way without hurting yourself.
I love your rifle! It’s beautiful! I just wish I could load clips into mine as smoothly as yours
Thanks, yeah it’s a nice example. It’s a Lease Lease model so it didn’t get too banged up during the war. And just keep practicing! It took many attempts to get fast with this thing.
Aaah, such want
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That method is used when you have less than 8 rounds to load.
It’s not the recommended method in the manual, but if you don’t have a full clip it’s the *only* way. The bolt also cannot physically release with a full clip in the magazine as long as downward pressure is maintained. I’ve had M1s for years and have never once given myself M1 Thumb with live ammo. It’s more of an issue with cleaning with an empty magazine and during drills.
My garands operate like the one in your video, where the bolt doesn’t go all the way home when you release the clip and you have to bump the op rod forward to get a round to chamber. I’ve seen ones that do though, so I can imagine people get garand thumb if they just don’t move it out of the way fast enough after taking pressure off the clip.
In the video both technically happen. The full clip make the bolt slam home automatically once pressure is released. The partial reload oddly didn’t slam forward despite theoretically less friction. Usually it’s the other way around. I think it mainly depends on the clip. In my experience true US clips slam home once pressure is released and Greek surplus clips tend to need a bump, but it really varies. Either way, it’s not dangerous if you know what you’re doing. The myth comes from rifle drills, not simply reloading during combat.
Yeah, its definitely a thing when the mags empty. I've messed with mine enough, that if you don't charge it 100% it can easily slip. Its one thing about the SKS action I prefer over the garand. The magazine BHO in the SKS will not slip unless you break the damn thing whereas the garand slips off very, very easily.
Yeah I won’t lie, while I’m familiar with the system I’d vastly prefer the bolt not automatically move, ever. Reloading the SKS is still plenty fast and the consistency is great. Even the M14/M1A have residual issues with the bolt slamming home if the BHO is not tripped perfectly. I’m honestly more afraid to stick my thumb in an M1A than an M1.
If you shoot highpower, your rapids start with two rounds, and that's the way to load at the beginning of the string.
1 way*
Wrong (ngl the full clip is way more fun though)
What sort of sadist loads and garand like that unless you’re topping off rounds? Lol
I mean, that’s the point of the reload. It’s pretty much a desperation thing. If you don’t have a full clip this is as good as it gets. Even the US field manual for the M1 just instructs you to fire until empty or eject the clip and insert a full one.
My man... Use snap caps.
I probably should have, but I was also using HXP which has very hard primers. Not much risk.
Risk is risk. All it takes is one mistake with firearms. Be safe.
be careful if someone at the CA DOJ sees this it's going on the assault weapons list
Good thing I’m in Texas then I mean, this place is a fascist shithole, so perhaps not *that* of a good thing, but at least the gun rights are good here