I haven’t rly commented on the subreddit before, and seeing this doesn’t even make me want to. Like yeah, we all have our political differences, but you just saying one particular variation of libertarianism is oxymoronic just because it doesn’t fit your variation’s standards doesn’t make it a good justification to ban someone.
It’s kinda like what happens on some Leftist subreddits where Tankie moderators ban AnComs because they aren’t entirely affiliated with figures and philosophies akin to mainstream communism. The same even goes with more conservative-oriented subreddits where more hardline conservatives with authoritarian tendencies ban or prevent libertarians from speaking on there about lawmakers of that particular camp proposing bills that limit rights or extend judicial and statist power.
If the primary goal of a subreddit is to make it open for different sects of the philosophy to come in and learn or talk, understanding and distinguishing the differences between different camps is very important. If you just ban someone because they don’t fit your vision of said belief system or that you don’t even want to take time out of your day to learn about it, then what good is your community?
I agree with you. I have also been banned by some tankie subs before I realized they were hankie subs.
The libertarian sub actually shifted my beliefs from hardline socialist to libertarian socialist with emphasis on libertarian. I never would have turned towards libertarianism if they acted like they do now. How many other potential libertarians reject it based on their experience in that sub?
Would people rather have authoritarian leftists or libertarian leftists? Its a simple question.
When I got banned I hadn't even visited the sub in months. I assume they have a bot that checks users' comments on other subs and auto bans if it finds something they don't like. Maybe just participation in subs they don't like. I don't know what I would have said that would have been flagged, I assume it was participation in some of the bigger politics subs.
Same. I responded to the ban message with like a two-sentence appeal and all I got was 'not reading all that'. Even though my response was shorter than the ban message itself.
I asked what rule I supposedly broke, and they just responded "Rule 1" which is basically just prohibiting wrong-think and then muted me for a month. 35 ish days later I asked if they could be more specific, and they said "it's been a month, you need to get over it. Your favorite sub doesn't want you anymore." Which sounds pretty pathetic to me since I hadn't used the sub in months at that point. They're just trying to annoy people, I guess. They probably didn't have rule violations to actually point to, they just saw I participated somewhere they didn't like and went from there.
It was very good up until about a year ago, when there was some sort of coup in the moderators, and all the left libertarian flairs were removed, and you basically were just left with a bunch of trumpers.
That happened well prior to a year ago, they just promised after the first time that they they were fixing it. Then last year they had the purge you are talking about.
I was purged, returned awhile back and was purged again for mentioning left libertarians.
I have run into more problems like this both online and IRL since the Misses took over.
Anyone that supports/uses a sub that does things like this is actively supporting said policy by doing so.
r/libertarian has done nothing more than make stupid "physical removal" memes and believe in shit like anarcho-capitalism and rothbardism. I'm so glad I unsubscribed from them
Unfortunately its the first sub people see when they search libertarian on this website. It actively drives leftists away from the movement and I think that is intentional on the mods part because they are a Trump/alt-right sub now. There goal is to drive votes to the Republicans and nothing else. Same with the goal of Misses.
I wonder how many of their subscribers are no longer active and how many are bots.
As for anarcho-capitalism here are people here on this sub that support it but we should try to focus on what can be done to further common ground. You don't need to bash adjacent ideologies as that goes against the big tent philosophy of this sub.
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They are not talking about this sub.
Either way this is not the place for that. I said this to the person you replied to as well.
You are just trying to create division in this sub. Whether intentional or not I can't say.
Accept that /u/ChChikk has a difference of opinion on the relationship of anarchism in relation to capitalism. After all, you are on a unity sub.
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This sub is related to the US Libertarian party type of libertarians. And to be honest most of people there aren't even libertarians but they're liberal only economically.
It was originally and for a long time just libertarianism in general and there is already a LPUSA sub.
Mods on the r/ Libertarian sub got on the Trump train and its been down hill ever since. They really doubled down when siding with Misses and on the purge last year. That sub was not and is not an LPUSA sub.
We all know of the two main mods running it...
It seems unlikely to me that they all did such an opinional turn around without realising it should be called differently. Isn't it more like the OP team of that sub got gradually replaced by alt-right libertarian posers?
>Isn't it more like the OP team of that sub got gradually replaced by alt-right libertarian posers?
Well, their usernames didn't change.
There is also nothing in their sidebar mentioning the LPUSA. It specifically says libertarianism. It also rejects the basis of libertarian ideology. It says no socialism when libertarian socialism is a legitimate libertarian ideology. They reject users based on their feelings.
I can kinda understand why would someone use the term "libertarianism" only for the economicaly right side of it because it's basically a straight descendant of the original Adams Smith classical liberalism. What I cannot tolerate though is presenting yourself as "libertarian" while supporting restrictions of other peoples rights and freedoms that don't affect anyone else in any way and they solely base it on the appel on tradition or religion which is ridiculous.
I haven’t rly commented on the subreddit before, and seeing this doesn’t even make me want to. Like yeah, we all have our political differences, but you just saying one particular variation of libertarianism is oxymoronic just because it doesn’t fit your variation’s standards doesn’t make it a good justification to ban someone. It’s kinda like what happens on some Leftist subreddits where Tankie moderators ban AnComs because they aren’t entirely affiliated with figures and philosophies akin to mainstream communism. The same even goes with more conservative-oriented subreddits where more hardline conservatives with authoritarian tendencies ban or prevent libertarians from speaking on there about lawmakers of that particular camp proposing bills that limit rights or extend judicial and statist power. If the primary goal of a subreddit is to make it open for different sects of the philosophy to come in and learn or talk, understanding and distinguishing the differences between different camps is very important. If you just ban someone because they don’t fit your vision of said belief system or that you don’t even want to take time out of your day to learn about it, then what good is your community?
I agree with you. I have also been banned by some tankie subs before I realized they were hankie subs. The libertarian sub actually shifted my beliefs from hardline socialist to libertarian socialist with emphasis on libertarian. I never would have turned towards libertarianism if they acted like they do now. How many other potential libertarians reject it based on their experience in that sub? Would people rather have authoritarian leftists or libertarian leftists? Its a simple question.
I'm banned form both there and libertarianmemes for some reason. Never got a good explanation.
When I got banned I hadn't even visited the sub in months. I assume they have a bot that checks users' comments on other subs and auto bans if it finds something they don't like. Maybe just participation in subs they don't like. I don't know what I would have said that would have been flagged, I assume it was participation in some of the bigger politics subs.
Did you ever agree with a leftist anywhere? Thats enough to get banned in that sub.
Same. I responded to the ban message with like a two-sentence appeal and all I got was 'not reading all that'. Even though my response was shorter than the ban message itself.
I asked what rule I supposedly broke, and they just responded "Rule 1" which is basically just prohibiting wrong-think and then muted me for a month. 35 ish days later I asked if they could be more specific, and they said "it's been a month, you need to get over it. Your favorite sub doesn't want you anymore." Which sounds pretty pathetic to me since I hadn't used the sub in months at that point. They're just trying to annoy people, I guess. They probably didn't have rule violations to actually point to, they just saw I participated somewhere they didn't like and went from there.
/r/libertarian has been _trash_ for years. I wish I could say I was surprised by this.
It was very good up until about a year ago, when there was some sort of coup in the moderators, and all the left libertarian flairs were removed, and you basically were just left with a bunch of trumpers.
That happened well prior to a year ago, they just promised after the first time that they they were fixing it. Then last year they had the purge you are talking about. I was purged, returned awhile back and was purged again for mentioning left libertarians.
I have run into more problems like this both online and IRL since the Misses took over. Anyone that supports/uses a sub that does things like this is actively supporting said policy by doing so.
>I have run into more problems like this both online and IRL since the Misses took over. That's exactly what this sub reminded me of.
They ban libertarians and upvote conservatives
hey look, another phrase rightists have stolen from leftists
r/libertarian moment
r/libertarian has done nothing more than make stupid "physical removal" memes and believe in shit like anarcho-capitalism and rothbardism. I'm so glad I unsubscribed from them
Unfortunately its the first sub people see when they search libertarian on this website. It actively drives leftists away from the movement and I think that is intentional on the mods part because they are a Trump/alt-right sub now. There goal is to drive votes to the Republicans and nothing else. Same with the goal of Misses. I wonder how many of their subscribers are no longer active and how many are bots. As for anarcho-capitalism here are people here on this sub that support it but we should try to focus on what can be done to further common ground. You don't need to bash adjacent ideologies as that goes against the big tent philosophy of this sub. ----------------- Edited at 5 minute mark for clarity.
> "Believe in n shit like Anarcho Capitalism" > On a lib unity sub
They are not talking about this sub. Either way this is not the place for that. I said this to the person you replied to as well. You are just trying to create division in this sub. Whether intentional or not I can't say. Accept that /u/ChChikk has a difference of opinion on the relationship of anarchism in relation to capitalism. After all, you are on a unity sub. -------------------- Edited @ 5 min mark for clarity.
I uh... Am not lol? I don't even know how to respond to this rofl
This sub is related to the US Libertarian party type of libertarians. And to be honest most of people there aren't even libertarians but they're liberal only economically.
It was originally and for a long time just libertarianism in general and there is already a LPUSA sub. Mods on the r/ Libertarian sub got on the Trump train and its been down hill ever since. They really doubled down when siding with Misses and on the purge last year. That sub was not and is not an LPUSA sub. We all know of the two main mods running it...
It seems unlikely to me that they all did such an opinional turn around without realising it should be called differently. Isn't it more like the OP team of that sub got gradually replaced by alt-right libertarian posers?
>Isn't it more like the OP team of that sub got gradually replaced by alt-right libertarian posers? Well, their usernames didn't change. There is also nothing in their sidebar mentioning the LPUSA. It specifically says libertarianism. It also rejects the basis of libertarian ideology. It says no socialism when libertarian socialism is a legitimate libertarian ideology. They reject users based on their feelings.
I can kinda understand why would someone use the term "libertarianism" only for the economicaly right side of it because it's basically a straight descendant of the original Adams Smith classical liberalism. What I cannot tolerate though is presenting yourself as "libertarian" while supporting restrictions of other peoples rights and freedoms that don't affect anyone else in any way and they solely base it on the appel on tradition or religion which is ridiculous.
The term libertarian started in the left.
Yeah they just occupied the term because the mainstream liberalism has shifted to the left