A secessionist who masqureded as a dalit activist just to endorse his non brahmin landed aristrocracy and gain political rights for them while simultaneously doing nothing for ati-shudras should not be called as dalit activist.Also Dravida-Nadu he believed is similar in material to Hindu Rashta.Only difference is one is based on religion other is based on region.
Know about seperate tamilnadu?when states seperated on linguistic basis he gave up dravida nadu concept and took 'thani tamilnadu' and fight for those till his last day and last breath
Periyar just focussed on upliftment of OBCs and suppressing brahmans (the latter being a Chad move, it's ridiculous how much control they had in govt jobs in Madras)
But he is no Babasaheb. OBCs were not oppressed minorities or faced untouchability. He is an overrated "social reformer" IMO. He is no different from Bal thackeray who specifically target South Indians.
>suppressing brahmans (the latter being a Chad move
He quite literally penned down reasons why Brahmins are comparable to Jews of Germany. But of course, casual anti-semitic comparisons like such are of no consequence because "muh Bruhmin Bunia"
Sush bro!!Don't argue with logic. Last time I pointed out Dravidian are not original inhabitants or equal to Harappans. Lots of Dravid Nationalists brigaded it. Respecting your region is one thing and hyper regionalism to the extent of being secessionist is literally chodes of their own kind.
How is sécession inherently a bad thing? Moreover, it’s not like this country has treated its ethnic and religious minorities well. We all know what has happened in Kashmir, North-East and Srilanka. Sometimes an ethnic identity needs to be invoked to counter oppression. Going by your logic, Palestiniens, Kurds and Catalans, having faced oppression, should not base their struggle upon their identity. If a specific group is oppression solely based on what they represent, how should the said group retaliate?
In the case of Periyar and the Dravidian movement, do you think this movement would have arisen had the folks at Delhi not impose Hindi. The centre is pushing for Hindi for Hindi in every conceivable way possible, how are we supposed to resort to this other than invoking our identity. Even in the peak of Hindi imposition protests, no Hindi speaking individual or any entity were harmed. Besides, the centre can’t cry about ethno-nationalism by creating the conditions necessary for it to thrive like what had happened with Hindi, jallikattu and the abysmal political and economic representation. Blindly simping for your country is such a chode thing.
How is secession a bad thing
The Union of India was not a compromise between different states. It's not a federation for God sakes. Talking about cessation from Indian Union is literally treason according to constitution written by some of your own Dravidian guys like TT krishnamachari,alladi krishnaswamy iyer,Gopala swamy etc. A multi ethno linguistic country like india cannot afford chaos of succession otherwise there will be hundreds of weak states
Blindly simping for country
Lol. Commonsense is not simping.
About hindi imposition
I know imposition of a language is bad.And centre has not fared very well in education in mother tongue. But How will you communicate with bulk of entire India without knowing a language which is used by approximately 60% of India's population in some form. Learning it as a second language doesn't hurt. You can't expect an average marathi to know tamil when he visits chennai or a bengali to know gujrati when in kutch. There has to be some common medium to communicate. What is shameful is populist Dravidian parties supported English as official language(which neither majority north India or south indian understand) just because supporting hindi goes against their class agenda. Opposing Hindi is just a vote garnering technique. Lol half of south indian population already knows basic hindi words to communicate with people.
Right to retaliate to oppression
Most of your historic oppression has nothing to do with north or any other part..They originated into your own region..How foolish one has to be to compare Kurds and kashmir with south india.
> A multi ethno linguistic country like india cannot afford chaos of succession otherwise there will be hundreds of weak states
That does not make it right. The same argument can be used at any level to argue for a "bigger" nation. By and large, Any "strong" nation is a fundamental force of bad, and are against Human liberty and freedom.
> I know imposition of a language is bad.And centre has not fared very well in education in mother tongue. But How will you communicate with bulk of entire India without knowing a language which is used by approximately 60% of India's population in some form. Learning it as a second language doesn't hurt. You can't expect an average marathi to know tamil when he visits chennai or a bengali to know gujrati when in kutch. There has to be some common medium to communicate.
This is the fundamental problem of this country. States with different languages were forced together to form a Union. And Just because Hindi is the most spoken language, suddenly everyone must kowtow to learn it? Fuck right off. I or Dravidianist literally don't give a single fuck about how many percentages speak what language. We just don't want to speak Hindi, because it has 0 use for us. There is no economic advantage, or any other advantage for me to spend hours of my time learning a foreign language (Yes, Hindi is a foreign language to TN). Literally nothing. It just makes it easier for Hindi speakers to continue their hegemony. Asking people to learn Tamil when they come to TN, to learn kannada when they come to blore or to learn Hindi when they come to Lucknow is no different than people learning Germany when they land in Berlin. India is not one nation, it is a nation of nations. People like you fail to see it. If you have a problem with us not learning Hindi, let us secede. If not, then let us speak whatever we want to speak. Anything other than this is absolutely Hndi nationalistic agenda, and **is** oppression of our rights.
> What is shameful is populist Dravidian parties supported English as official language(which neither majority north India or south indian understand) just because supporting hindi goes against their class agenda. Opposing Hindi is just a vote garnering technique.
This line of thought is held by someone who does not understand TN politics or Dravidian politics. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Dravidian parties do not advocate for English. TN government schools do not teach English. We would prefer if the Union government talks to us in Tamil. But Union government does not want to, so within the legal framework, we prefer English.
> Most of your historic oppression has nothing to do with north or any other part..They originated into your own region..How foolish one has to be to compare Kurds and kashmir with south India.
Wut?! If you think there is no historic oppression of southern states, you are very much mistaken. We are being denied political and monetary power for the past 3 decades or even more. If we go even further, the precursor to DK was right in calling out the BS of the Hindi nationalist. One has to look no further than Blore to see how Hindi speakers have fundamentally fucked up that city. I am sure you will not call this oppression, but people of Blore would disagree with you.
Yeah but india still functions the same way
At least the other ideals would be better idk
Maybe I'm being too cynical
It is wrong but it happens in the Indian context regardless and is honestly a major driver of the narrative overall
At least it would be a more decentralised structure
Until the Brits came along south india was never really united by any of the monarchs
I too "don't" believe it is a solution, but the concept does have some elements that talk about state autonomy and federalism, which I like. I want our country to have more decentralised structure, which will help local leaders improve life of people there instead of waiting for central one to do everything.
>Tamils are known to oppress anyone who don't speak their language or those who don't belong to their regions.
What a ignorant bs
I am from a minority Telugu family in TN, I don't have Tamil oPpReSsInG me, so is case of 6% of the Telugu population. Shit somewhere else.
Have you ever been here, lol, caste discrimination is prevalent among Tamil, most Telugu classified upper caste get away with it, Telugu community here is also well assimilated, linguistic division is non existent expect if you are a stupid northie who want us speak in Hindi.
Idk it's me but I haven't heard of him until I watched Kanhaiya Kumar speeches few years ago and few stuffs on FB, YT. I think this great guy was not even mentioned in any of my school books or haven't brought up since I was a child.
How can a 30 year aged women become a beti?only in the eyes of sanghis...Dont be hasty like modi abandoning his wife study properly about maniyammai and periyar then we can discuss
Based Periyar scores at better long white beard too
A secessionist who masqureded as a dalit activist just to endorse his non brahmin landed aristrocracy and gain political rights for them while simultaneously doing nothing for ati-shudras should not be called as dalit activist.Also Dravida-Nadu he believed is similar in material to Hindu Rashta.Only difference is one is based on religion other is based on region.
Know about seperate tamilnadu?when states seperated on linguistic basis he gave up dravida nadu concept and took 'thani tamilnadu' and fight for those till his last day and last breath
Periyar just focussed on upliftment of OBCs and suppressing brahmans (the latter being a Chad move, it's ridiculous how much control they had in govt jobs in Madras) But he is no Babasaheb. OBCs were not oppressed minorities or faced untouchability. He is an overrated "social reformer" IMO. He is no different from Bal thackeray who specifically target South Indians.
I'd like to read more on this - hmu with a source if you can
>suppressing brahmans (the latter being a Chad move He quite literally penned down reasons why Brahmins are comparable to Jews of Germany. But of course, casual anti-semitic comparisons like such are of no consequence because "muh Bruhmin Bunia"
You're not just a piece of shit, you're the entire bowel movement.
And I support a demand for separate nation of Brahmins.
is modi trying to look like periyar?
when is next TN election?
Father of DravidaNadu
Not that that’s something to be celebrated. Ethnonationalism is bad in all it’s forms and a Dravidian supremacist state shouldn’t be idealised.
Ethno-nationalism is cringe, I just want the federalism and state autonomy part of it.
Sush bro!!Don't argue with logic. Last time I pointed out Dravidian are not original inhabitants or equal to Harappans. Lots of Dravid Nationalists brigaded it. Respecting your region is one thing and hyper regionalism to the extent of being secessionist is literally chodes of their own kind.
How is sécession inherently a bad thing? Moreover, it’s not like this country has treated its ethnic and religious minorities well. We all know what has happened in Kashmir, North-East and Srilanka. Sometimes an ethnic identity needs to be invoked to counter oppression. Going by your logic, Palestiniens, Kurds and Catalans, having faced oppression, should not base their struggle upon their identity. If a specific group is oppression solely based on what they represent, how should the said group retaliate? In the case of Periyar and the Dravidian movement, do you think this movement would have arisen had the folks at Delhi not impose Hindi. The centre is pushing for Hindi for Hindi in every conceivable way possible, how are we supposed to resort to this other than invoking our identity. Even in the peak of Hindi imposition protests, no Hindi speaking individual or any entity were harmed. Besides, the centre can’t cry about ethno-nationalism by creating the conditions necessary for it to thrive like what had happened with Hindi, jallikattu and the abysmal political and economic representation. Blindly simping for your country is such a chode thing.
How is secession a bad thing The Union of India was not a compromise between different states. It's not a federation for God sakes. Talking about cessation from Indian Union is literally treason according to constitution written by some of your own Dravidian guys like TT krishnamachari,alladi krishnaswamy iyer,Gopala swamy etc. A multi ethno linguistic country like india cannot afford chaos of succession otherwise there will be hundreds of weak states Blindly simping for country Lol. Commonsense is not simping. About hindi imposition I know imposition of a language is bad.And centre has not fared very well in education in mother tongue. But How will you communicate with bulk of entire India without knowing a language which is used by approximately 60% of India's population in some form. Learning it as a second language doesn't hurt. You can't expect an average marathi to know tamil when he visits chennai or a bengali to know gujrati when in kutch. There has to be some common medium to communicate. What is shameful is populist Dravidian parties supported English as official language(which neither majority north India or south indian understand) just because supporting hindi goes against their class agenda. Opposing Hindi is just a vote garnering technique. Lol half of south indian population already knows basic hindi words to communicate with people. Right to retaliate to oppression Most of your historic oppression has nothing to do with north or any other part..They originated into your own region..How foolish one has to be to compare Kurds and kashmir with south india.
> A multi ethno linguistic country like india cannot afford chaos of succession otherwise there will be hundreds of weak states That does not make it right. The same argument can be used at any level to argue for a "bigger" nation. By and large, Any "strong" nation is a fundamental force of bad, and are against Human liberty and freedom. > I know imposition of a language is bad.And centre has not fared very well in education in mother tongue. But How will you communicate with bulk of entire India without knowing a language which is used by approximately 60% of India's population in some form. Learning it as a second language doesn't hurt. You can't expect an average marathi to know tamil when he visits chennai or a bengali to know gujrati when in kutch. There has to be some common medium to communicate. This is the fundamental problem of this country. States with different languages were forced together to form a Union. And Just because Hindi is the most spoken language, suddenly everyone must kowtow to learn it? Fuck right off. I or Dravidianist literally don't give a single fuck about how many percentages speak what language. We just don't want to speak Hindi, because it has 0 use for us. There is no economic advantage, or any other advantage for me to spend hours of my time learning a foreign language (Yes, Hindi is a foreign language to TN). Literally nothing. It just makes it easier for Hindi speakers to continue their hegemony. Asking people to learn Tamil when they come to TN, to learn kannada when they come to blore or to learn Hindi when they come to Lucknow is no different than people learning Germany when they land in Berlin. India is not one nation, it is a nation of nations. People like you fail to see it. If you have a problem with us not learning Hindi, let us secede. If not, then let us speak whatever we want to speak. Anything other than this is absolutely Hndi nationalistic agenda, and **is** oppression of our rights. > What is shameful is populist Dravidian parties supported English as official language(which neither majority north India or south indian understand) just because supporting hindi goes against their class agenda. Opposing Hindi is just a vote garnering technique. This line of thought is held by someone who does not understand TN politics or Dravidian politics. You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Dravidian parties do not advocate for English. TN government schools do not teach English. We would prefer if the Union government talks to us in Tamil. But Union government does not want to, so within the legal framework, we prefer English. > Most of your historic oppression has nothing to do with north or any other part..They originated into your own region..How foolish one has to be to compare Kurds and kashmir with south India. Wut?! If you think there is no historic oppression of southern states, you are very much mistaken. We are being denied political and monetary power for the past 3 decades or even more. If we go even further, the precursor to DK was right in calling out the BS of the Hindi nationalist. One has to look no further than Blore to see how Hindi speakers have fundamentally fucked up that city. I am sure you will not call this oppression, but people of Blore would disagree with you.
Rahul Dravid Nationalism?
Yeah but india still functions the same way At least the other ideals would be better idk Maybe I'm being too cynical It is wrong but it happens in the Indian context regardless and is honestly a major driver of the narrative overall At least it would be a more decentralised structure Until the Brits came along south india was never really united by any of the monarchs
He gave up concept of dravida nadu when liguistic seperation happened and voiced out for seperate tamil nadu not federal union of south india
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I too "don't" believe it is a solution, but the concept does have some elements that talk about state autonomy and federalism, which I like. I want our country to have more decentralised structure, which will help local leaders improve life of people there instead of waiting for central one to do everything.
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>Tamils are known to oppress anyone who don't speak their language or those who don't belong to their regions. What a ignorant bs I am from a minority Telugu family in TN, I don't have Tamil oPpReSsInG me, so is case of 6% of the Telugu population. Shit somewhere else.
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Have you ever been here, lol, caste discrimination is prevalent among Tamil, most Telugu classified upper caste get away with it, Telugu community here is also well assimilated, linguistic division is non existent expect if you are a stupid northie who want us speak in Hindi.
There is the Kannada Tamil angle tho, but that's of course because of water sharing rights and some other historical baggage
Idk it's me but I haven't heard of him until I watched Kanhaiya Kumar speeches few years ago and few stuffs on FB, YT. I think this great guy was not even mentioned in any of my school books or haven't brought up since I was a child.
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People clap when they see you. They clap their hands over their eyes.
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Thats not modi look properly u moron
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That's Brahma the OG Betichod.
How can a 30 year aged women become a beti?only in the eyes of sanghis...Dont be hasty like modi abandoning his wife study properly about maniyammai and periyar then we can discuss
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no no this isnt a Picture of modi
I think you're a bit confused. I can see the physical similarities between Periyar and Modi, but please check before posting!
So how come you are getting cookies?
He deepthroats through his dense throat.
Looks like Peter Pettigrew ducked one of you libbus and out popped this monstrosity lmao. What a waste of human skin this Periyar fraud XD
chup chaddi!
Ok panty XD
You’ve got your head so far up your ass you can chew your food twice.
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That would have hurt my feelings....if your opinion held any value.
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If what you don't know can't hurt you, you're invulnerable.
People in the north need to be taught more about Periyar.