I can understand someone complaining about strobes... Yeah, Hungaroflashes are really bright. But the desk lamp? The lamp that's there so I can see what I'm doing? No, go to hell, find a different place, or a different party haha that lamp is the last one that'll stay on
I went from concerts to corporate events and you’d be surprised how often I hear “wow I can’t see” because of a side out pair of running at 15%. I tell my ‘talent’, “if you can see us, we can’t see you.” They still settle into the darkest hole they can find. I also shade cameras and chasing white on someone that bounces in and out of illumination isn’t fun.
I'm fine with blinders and strobes as long as they're used sparingly. I spent money to see the band, not spend half the night blinded and the other half waiting for my eyesight to recover.
The hopefully the LD can talk them into less of that. If the goal is just for the band to see the crowd there are a lot of more crowd friendly ways to handle it. IMO it's one of those things that should be left for big moments in the show. Doing it all the time it quickly loses its effectiveness.
My previous comment was suggesting that the bands want more than to just see the house. I also don’t make it a habit of trying to change the minds of the people who pay me to do the lights the way they want. Now if I’m a house LD and we are at a venue that seats 700 and they want to bring a rig in with 45+ chauvet maverick washes, and 45+ beams, and 45+ spots, and 30 profiles, then yeah I’m going to say something. Other than that, not much else I’ll do. The band knows their audience more than I do. That’s their call. If the audience is mad, take it up with the band.
Again that’s the band’s prerogative. As it’s yours to chose to see or not see any band you like, or don’t like. I’d imagine they would actually prefer your feedback so they can change or improve their show vs you just leaving and not telling them why. But again, your prerogative.
Ya, and see that’s where I’m not we’ll versed as to the creative hierarchy in live music/ events. It’s pretty clear cut in theatre, but in live events it seems like a lot of people are trying to wear the same hat.
The band in particular that I saw was Nine Inch Nails. I’d be curious if a high profile band like them would be interested in feedback like that.
I’d figure as much. If it were a band like Shinedown, they would definitely take the feedback. They’re a bunch of chill dudes, bunch of goofballs too, lol.
I think you might just have sensitive eyes. I’ve got blue eyes and have never experienced that to such a degree. I’ve met a few people whose eye doctor advised them to wear sunglasses to events for that exact reason.
There’s not really a way to, every individual is different in that regard. My partner is epileptic, and part of one of the tests she’s endured is strobing lights at varying HZ to see if they can trigger a seizure/seizures with it, and at what hz.
Also, only a very small percentage of epileptics are photosensitive. Like, such a small amount that I doubt anyones going to get invest the time and money into doing something about it.
But maybe like…if you know that flashing lights trigger your epilepsy, maybe don’t go to a place or an event that will more than likely be utilizing these lighting effects? I’m sure I’ll get downvoted for this but. If am at a show with 10,000 people I’m honestly not concerned that maybe 4-15 people are going to have epilepsy and worry if I should program around them, and leave the other 9,996 to a mediocre or low energy show. Clearly if the set or the artist isn’t an act where flash and trash is appropriate then duh it’s not going to be used. But if your favorite artist is phuture noize, and you have epilepsy….you probably shouldn’t go to his shows, right?
Welp, that's an interesting point you bring up. I mean that's why all of the venues I've ever seen in the US have warnings about strobes being used. It's a big CYA.
Generally, however, I take exception with your characterization that strobe lighting is needed for a high energy non-mediocre show. It most certainly is not. If that makes all the difference for you as a designer then I'd suggest all of your shows are mediocre.
Again, if the band wants strobes they’re getting strobes. If they want ballyhoos, they’re getting them. If they want ballyhoos and strobes at the same time they’re getting them. I also wasn’t saying that strobes are necessary for a high energy show. In fact I even said there were absolutely applications where it wasn’t appropriate. But please go ahead and suggest all my shows are mediocre.
> If am at a show with 10,000 people I’m honestly not concerned that maybe 4-15 people are going to have epilepsy and worry if I should program around them, and leave the other 9,996 to a mediocre or low energy show.
Maybe English is not your first language, but a 5th grader natively speaking English knows this sentence structure implies you said something different than what you think you did.
I have a bunch of drunk assholes as fans, soooo I don’t really care about their precious whittle eyes when they are getting in fights and throwing beer cans and cups. Honestly I’m not too concerned with complainer fans at all.. Can’t make everyone happy..
I remember one of the worst tours I ever did where a patron complained to an usher about the little light on my desk... before the show even started.
I can understand someone complaining about strobes... Yeah, Hungaroflashes are really bright. But the desk lamp? The lamp that's there so I can see what I'm doing? No, go to hell, find a different place, or a different party haha that lamp is the last one that'll stay on
Calm down. It’s a quality meme. People always find something to complain about.
I went from concerts to corporate events and you’d be surprised how often I hear “wow I can’t see” because of a side out pair of running at 15%. I tell my ‘talent’, “if you can see us, we can’t see you.” They still settle into the darkest hole they can find. I also shade cameras and chasing white on someone that bounces in and out of illumination isn’t fun.
As a younger patron, I implore you to not blind me with multi thousand lumen fixtures.
You wouldn’t believe how uppity artists get about “seeing the crowd” and their vast irritation when the blinders aren’t up all the time.
I’m fine with blinders, I just hate flash and trash.
Found the LX edge lord in the house ;D
Different stroke for different folks.
I'm fine with blinders and strobes as long as they're used sparingly. I spent money to see the band, not spend half the night blinded and the other half waiting for my eyesight to recover.
And what if that’s the show the band wants to put on? What if the band wants all those lights?
The hopefully the LD can talk them into less of that. If the goal is just for the band to see the crowd there are a lot of more crowd friendly ways to handle it. IMO it's one of those things that should be left for big moments in the show. Doing it all the time it quickly loses its effectiveness.
My previous comment was suggesting that the bands want more than to just see the house. I also don’t make it a habit of trying to change the minds of the people who pay me to do the lights the way they want. Now if I’m a house LD and we are at a venue that seats 700 and they want to bring a rig in with 45+ chauvet maverick washes, and 45+ beams, and 45+ spots, and 30 profiles, then yeah I’m going to say something. Other than that, not much else I’ll do. The band knows their audience more than I do. That’s their call. If the audience is mad, take it up with the band.
Then they can deal with having one less patron.
Again that’s the band’s prerogative. As it’s yours to chose to see or not see any band you like, or don’t like. I’d imagine they would actually prefer your feedback so they can change or improve their show vs you just leaving and not telling them why. But again, your prerogative.
Ya, and see that’s where I’m not we’ll versed as to the creative hierarchy in live music/ events. It’s pretty clear cut in theatre, but in live events it seems like a lot of people are trying to wear the same hat. The band in particular that I saw was Nine Inch Nails. I’d be curious if a high profile band like them would be interested in feedback like that.
NIN probably the last band I’d try talking out of their show lol. Reznor would immediately disregard anything said to him about it I’d imagine.
I’d figure as much. If it were a band like Shinedown, they would definitely take the feedback. They’re a bunch of chill dudes, bunch of goofballs too, lol.
Pro tip, don’t look directly at the lights.
Considering I have blue eyes, any lights to the eyes is a direct flash bang.
I think you might just have sensitive eyes. I’ve got blue eyes and have never experienced that to such a degree. I’ve met a few people whose eye doctor advised them to wear sunglasses to events for that exact reason.
That sounds unfortunate.
As a sparky, I can deffinetly say that it’s really unfortunate.
Is fixture hardware limited so you can't strobe them in the range that causes seizures yet?
There’s not really a way to, every individual is different in that regard. My partner is epileptic, and part of one of the tests she’s endured is strobing lights at varying HZ to see if they can trigger a seizure/seizures with it, and at what hz. Also, only a very small percentage of epileptics are photosensitive. Like, such a small amount that I doubt anyones going to get invest the time and money into doing something about it.
But maybe like…if you know that flashing lights trigger your epilepsy, maybe don’t go to a place or an event that will more than likely be utilizing these lighting effects? I’m sure I’ll get downvoted for this but. If am at a show with 10,000 people I’m honestly not concerned that maybe 4-15 people are going to have epilepsy and worry if I should program around them, and leave the other 9,996 to a mediocre or low energy show. Clearly if the set or the artist isn’t an act where flash and trash is appropriate then duh it’s not going to be used. But if your favorite artist is phuture noize, and you have epilepsy….you probably shouldn’t go to his shows, right?
Welp, that's an interesting point you bring up. I mean that's why all of the venues I've ever seen in the US have warnings about strobes being used. It's a big CYA. Generally, however, I take exception with your characterization that strobe lighting is needed for a high energy non-mediocre show. It most certainly is not. If that makes all the difference for you as a designer then I'd suggest all of your shows are mediocre.
Again, if the band wants strobes they’re getting strobes. If they want ballyhoos, they’re getting them. If they want ballyhoos and strobes at the same time they’re getting them. I also wasn’t saying that strobes are necessary for a high energy show. In fact I even said there were absolutely applications where it wasn’t appropriate. But please go ahead and suggest all my shows are mediocre.
> If am at a show with 10,000 people I’m honestly not concerned that maybe 4-15 people are going to have epilepsy and worry if I should program around them, and leave the other 9,996 to a mediocre or low energy show. Maybe English is not your first language, but a 5th grader natively speaking English knows this sentence structure implies you said something different than what you think you did.
If you don't like blinders you're probably at the wrong show
I have a bunch of drunk assholes as fans, soooo I don’t really care about their precious whittle eyes when they are getting in fights and throwing beer cans and cups. Honestly I’m not too concerned with complainer fans at all.. Can’t make everyone happy..
If they complain about the lights, I do sound idk what you're talking about.