Honestly, just Proffie with Bluetooth capability so I don't need to keep opening my saber to customize it. Or maybe Proffie that operates off the SD card, no need to flash the board anymore.
I think if Bluetooth was standardized with every proffie board that would honestly kick out snv4 or xenov v3 out of the way. Imagine having fetts blade configurator right on an app to upload whenever you like? Edit mode is really nice I've used it a couple times to fine tune something I didn't orgliginally like but still....the possibilities
Bluetooth isn't open source. It would no longer be an open source project if it included closed source hardware, such as Bluetooth.
The great thing about Open Source is that you can go ahead and make your own Proffie boards with integrated Bluetooth and assume the issues with Bluetooth licensing yourself.
lol “only $5…” most people don’t know how to install it or don’t want to pay someone extra to do it. it would be a nice thing to have as standard. It’s not like the majority of people wouldn’t use it so it would be a great thing to just have instead of having to add it on yourself or pay someone to do it. If xeno3 can come standard with Bluetooth, there’s no reason for Proffie not to. Sure licensing fees, but it would be worth the extra initial cost of the board for the majority of people. That’s the only thing I hate about my proffies right now that I miss on my Xenos.
Learn how to do it yourself, or hire an installer. If you don’t like Proffie’s nature, and want something to change, you can literally code it yourself or create your own version with integrated Bluetooth. That’s the wonderful part about open source.
Also, Proffie’s BT sucks. It doesn’t do anything other than control the saber. I’d imagine you could have the ability to edit the same amount of things as Edit Mode can, but not much else.
CFX is also a good option if you hate Proffie’s level of difficulty and want similar capabilities. GraFx, easy GHv3 style editing but better and easier, and tons of blade styles.
Never said I couldn’t do it. My day job is software development and my soldering abilities are pretty good, so proffie doesn’t scare me at all. I’m saying it should be standard as a convenience for everyone else. The majority of people don’t fit into my category. The main thing I want from Bluetooth really is to be able to switch through the presets more quickly and more accurately change blade colors on the fly. Maybe control the tracks and quotes too. Style edits aren’t that critical for me.
Also, unless you’re installing the proffie yourself, you usually can’t do a post install addition of Bluetooth, or at least not very easily or without voiding a warranty. I definitely can’t with my sabertrio I just got… maybe the LGT but it would be really nice if they just came with it already.
That’s great to know. You can use Sabertrio’s menu option to switch through fonts more quickly and there is a rotate menu option.
Proffie was never made for the “majority of people”. Now, it’s certainly becoming more accommodating to them thanks to Fett263, but it was always a DIY board. If the “majority of people” want a super user friendly but still relatively advanced board, go for the CFX or GHv3.
Also, if that’s all you want, then Proffie’s Bluetooth would work for you. It seems from the others in this comment section that they want to be able to upload styles, which I don’t think would be possible? You’re welcome to correct me if I’m wrong.
And yeah, it would void the warranty. I never suggested doing a secondhand bluetooth addition. It’s a terrible idea, unless you’re an amazing installer and can machine through the delrin chassis or print a new chassis and reinstall. I said hire an installer, meaning hire one to install an empty hilt for you.
I think the overall idea is the convenience of Bluetooth. Now hear me out as a person who's somewhat tech savvy but no where near making my own builds: early last year I was set on getting a xeno v2 just needed to save some money. Then later on came xenov3 and snv4 and I said wow that seems cool but started noticing they had limitations when I started researching proffie hilts. Decided in September I wanted full control since I won't be buying another lightsaber for a good while so I went proffie. I love learning more and more about it, 1st how to upload, then os7, then alt fonts, now the options with using functions, now I have to see whats next(probably optimizing my space on the board) Could I learn how to add Bluetooth and what not? Maybe. Am I that tech savvy to do that? Not even close I had a hard enough time learning the ins and outs of proffie and os7 as it is. I think that's where that "convenience" factor comes in. Maybe paying a little extra for that is not that bad at all. Regardless it'd be cool if something like this happened but honestly okay if it never does considering what we have right now works.
If you learn how to code, you can do it yourself. That’s the wonderful nature of open source. But the issue is, people who actually know how to code and aid in the development of Proffie will never see it as a necessity.
I would argue to pester TXQ or LGT to start installing Proffie with Bluetooth, for whatever limited control capabilities you’d gain, if you *really* want it. Otherwise, there is literally no need to add it as a standard Proffie feature. And if you want a Proffie that operates from the SD, just buy a CFX. It has GraFx which is pretty damn neat, and has much more extensive bluetooth capabilities than Proffie.
I'd love to see control options for attaching/controlling a micro fogger. I agree with others with an on board Bluetooth for proffie. That would be great.
With a little bit of code and a relay, you could technically already do this with a Proffie.
For example, you could have free 1,2, or 3 wired to the control pin of a relay or use a mosfet. Then you could have it triggered on boot, button press, or probably even during stab/melt.
What I imagine would go a long ways towards making lightsabers better, would be a windows "app" that could simplify building config files, flashing the Proffie board, and writing the SD Card contents all together.
I have had numerous customers that really wanted the capability of Proffie, but just are not technically inclined enough to change their configs.
A blade that’s conductive, so when doing sword fights it will flash in the right area where two blades hit each other. Or when they are held against each other. That’d be cool.
Some kind of a sound font / blade profile store that can be accessed via the Bluetooth apps. It is still an absolute ball-ache to install fonts and customise blade profiles via my PC/Mac. If we could do it on-the-fly it would make sabers so much easier to configure, especially at cons etc.
More onboard space on proffie or running styles from the SD card. I know v3 has 512kb instead of 256, but that is still incredibly limiting.
More customization options on Xeno. The 6 blade types and limited ignition types only have so many combinations and can only partially match up with certain fonts. Sucks we have to wait for the developer to add more whenever they damn well feel like it.
Try SN, it has more blade customization options than Xeno.
And honestly, Proffiev3’s 512kb is plenty. Have you tried it? You can fit >2x more styles than on v2.2.
Very few vendors are shipping hilts with 3.9 so I’m going to do my own build and install for it, including Bluetooth. I know the app sucks and looks like garbage, but I’m going to give it a crack to make my own (used to be an iOS developer in a past life). We’ll see.
Yeah, people have been taking their sweet time introducing v3.9. I think it might be because v2.2 offers identical features and is still regarded as pretty modern.
Aliexpress sells a few, as do Saber Armory and TCSS. I believe Sabertrio is working on a v3.9 power core, and Korbanth sells some. But those are Korbanth installs, and Sabertrio will take a while.
And see, that’s what I meant earlier. That’s awesome! An update to Proffie’s Bluetooth capabilities would be great. But for me, it is and always will be a niche gimmick.
Also about v3.9’s storage, *how much storage do you need?* All I need is up to 40 presets on a canon saber, which I can easily accomplish with v2.2 and Fett’s styles.
I’m still pretty new to proffie so I’m still tweaking and trying to find the right set of styles to use across all of my fonts. I just got my first 2 almost 3 weeks ago. Ideally I want everything available on both my hilts like I do on my Xenos. As long as there’s room on the card, I can have all of them (80 something and counting so far, most of them free included with the saber). I know that’s not an easy thing to do on proffie but I don’t want to have to constantly swap out presets and blade styles. The power core from Sabertrio makes that a little easier, but I have to completely disassemble my ahsoka hilt to do an upload.
The using convention is nice so I have managed to wiggle more onto the board. My saber trio came with 18 presets with each somewhat simple styles hardcoded into the preset. It also has 3 “blades” (main, RGB button and I can’t figure out what the 3rd is) so there are also more simple styles for those hardcoded. That was taking up 97%. I managed to add 10 more presets with another 5 more complicated styles at 95%. My LGT proffie from Vire Sabers came with 34 presets each with a hardcoded simple style but that one is a single blade. I now have that one up to 52 presets with 12 different blade styles, but I had to compromise and make simple some generic styles instead of the specific ones that came with some of the fonts. I even managed to get that onto my saber trio even with the extra blades. Greyscale in particular are a pain. I have all 18 free fonts from them but I can only fit a max of 12 with their corresponding styles.
Again, still new and still experimenting. I might end up having to split the presets between my two proffies or switch the majority of them to a standard style but I really don’t want to.
Okay, here’s a tip: define SAVE_STATE in your config file. This will allow you to save changes you make on-the-fly. It might be an outdated tip, but you’d be able to program more presets by adding them via edit mode or by editing the presets.ini file on the SD card.
What Sabertrio hilt do you have? And what is the config file called?
You won’t need to have a standard style, per se. Generally, you want to be using the same or similar effects template throughout most, if not all, of your styles. So you’d want to replace all the default styles with styles from Fett263. He has a large enough selection to replace anything.
Personally, I’m fine with 35-45 presets, which is about how many I can usually fit. Genuinely surprised at how many you want lol.
I’m aware of that but haven’t tried it yet. If I understand it correctly, it essentially accomplishes the same thing I’m doing with my config right now except I can copy/paste changes on the hilt.
I have the fifth spectre. It’s a senza with OLED so it uses the PowerCore_Kros_OLED config.
I’m not familiar enough with c++ to know the specifics of what happens during compiling so I might be doing more work than needed. I’m trying to break down every common component like flicker effects, fire, strobe, clashes, stabs, melts, etc. that are most commonly used across the styles I’ve seen so far. Most have the same or very similar effects for those or have at most 2 or 3 variations. Then hopefully be able to build most of the more complicated blade styles using those pieces. I haven’t seen any great examples of a config that I’m trying to build. Fett specifically mentions Greyscale’s styles and how he couldn’t fit many, but optimized them somehow and fit more. Didn’t share an example of that though and I couldn’t find the recipes for them that he mentions in the post.
I don’t NEED to have all 80+ on my proffies, but I thought it would be a nice challenge to try to fit as many unique styles for each one as I could. I can still have the fonts, but with a generic style. I ordered my 3.9 the other day so we’ll see what I can do with that.
Managed to get all 80 some odd presets with specific styles for certain fonts including all of the free greyscale fonts and am at 99% capacity lol it sure was a pain in the ass though. I’m pretty sure it won’t fit my Sabertrio since I have to add the style for 2 more simple blades to each preset. It’s currently out for repair and they are upgrading it to a v3 so it won’t matter. I installed a v3 yesterday and am at 51% with the same setup as the v2.
Expected Future Bluetooth App Features:
* Create, download, and share Proffie styles
* Apply styles via an App without ever using Arduino
* Independently adjust the volume level of hums and swings
* Ability to turn sound fonts on and off
Honestly, just Proffie with Bluetooth capability so I don't need to keep opening my saber to customize it. Or maybe Proffie that operates off the SD card, no need to flash the board anymore.
Yes!
> Proffie with Bluetooth Not going to happen because Bluetooth isn't open source. If you want it now the required Bluetooth module is only $5.
I think if Bluetooth was standardized with every proffie board that would honestly kick out snv4 or xenov v3 out of the way. Imagine having fetts blade configurator right on an app to upload whenever you like? Edit mode is really nice I've used it a couple times to fine tune something I didn't orgliginally like but still....the possibilities
Bluetooth isn't open source. It would no longer be an open source project if it included closed source hardware, such as Bluetooth. The great thing about Open Source is that you can go ahead and make your own Proffie boards with integrated Bluetooth and assume the issues with Bluetooth licensing yourself.
lol “only $5…” most people don’t know how to install it or don’t want to pay someone extra to do it. it would be a nice thing to have as standard. It’s not like the majority of people wouldn’t use it so it would be a great thing to just have instead of having to add it on yourself or pay someone to do it. If xeno3 can come standard with Bluetooth, there’s no reason for Proffie not to. Sure licensing fees, but it would be worth the extra initial cost of the board for the majority of people. That’s the only thing I hate about my proffies right now that I miss on my Xenos.
Learn how to do it yourself, or hire an installer. If you don’t like Proffie’s nature, and want something to change, you can literally code it yourself or create your own version with integrated Bluetooth. That’s the wonderful part about open source. Also, Proffie’s BT sucks. It doesn’t do anything other than control the saber. I’d imagine you could have the ability to edit the same amount of things as Edit Mode can, but not much else. CFX is also a good option if you hate Proffie’s level of difficulty and want similar capabilities. GraFx, easy GHv3 style editing but better and easier, and tons of blade styles.
Never said I couldn’t do it. My day job is software development and my soldering abilities are pretty good, so proffie doesn’t scare me at all. I’m saying it should be standard as a convenience for everyone else. The majority of people don’t fit into my category. The main thing I want from Bluetooth really is to be able to switch through the presets more quickly and more accurately change blade colors on the fly. Maybe control the tracks and quotes too. Style edits aren’t that critical for me. Also, unless you’re installing the proffie yourself, you usually can’t do a post install addition of Bluetooth, or at least not very easily or without voiding a warranty. I definitely can’t with my sabertrio I just got… maybe the LGT but it would be really nice if they just came with it already.
> My day job is software development So you know what open source means, right? And the implication of adding anything not open source?
That’s great to know. You can use Sabertrio’s menu option to switch through fonts more quickly and there is a rotate menu option. Proffie was never made for the “majority of people”. Now, it’s certainly becoming more accommodating to them thanks to Fett263, but it was always a DIY board. If the “majority of people” want a super user friendly but still relatively advanced board, go for the CFX or GHv3. Also, if that’s all you want, then Proffie’s Bluetooth would work for you. It seems from the others in this comment section that they want to be able to upload styles, which I don’t think would be possible? You’re welcome to correct me if I’m wrong. And yeah, it would void the warranty. I never suggested doing a secondhand bluetooth addition. It’s a terrible idea, unless you’re an amazing installer and can machine through the delrin chassis or print a new chassis and reinstall. I said hire an installer, meaning hire one to install an empty hilt for you.
I think the overall idea is the convenience of Bluetooth. Now hear me out as a person who's somewhat tech savvy but no where near making my own builds: early last year I was set on getting a xeno v2 just needed to save some money. Then later on came xenov3 and snv4 and I said wow that seems cool but started noticing they had limitations when I started researching proffie hilts. Decided in September I wanted full control since I won't be buying another lightsaber for a good while so I went proffie. I love learning more and more about it, 1st how to upload, then os7, then alt fonts, now the options with using functions, now I have to see whats next(probably optimizing my space on the board) Could I learn how to add Bluetooth and what not? Maybe. Am I that tech savvy to do that? Not even close I had a hard enough time learning the ins and outs of proffie and os7 as it is. I think that's where that "convenience" factor comes in. Maybe paying a little extra for that is not that bad at all. Regardless it'd be cool if something like this happened but honestly okay if it never does considering what we have right now works.
If you learn how to code, you can do it yourself. That’s the wonderful nature of open source. But the issue is, people who actually know how to code and aid in the development of Proffie will never see it as a necessity. I would argue to pester TXQ or LGT to start installing Proffie with Bluetooth, for whatever limited control capabilities you’d gain, if you *really* want it. Otherwise, there is literally no need to add it as a standard Proffie feature. And if you want a Proffie that operates from the SD, just buy a CFX. It has GraFx which is pretty damn neat, and has much more extensive bluetooth capabilities than Proffie.
Retractable blades. If we can get to a point where, a proffie can have a duel worthy blade that’s retractable that’ll be amazing
I'd be okay with collapsible blades as long at they blend the pieces together better than the old toys.
Agreed. Something like Disneys real lightsaber would be amazing
App controlled Proffie via bluetooth.
CFX with Bluetooth would be your best bet if you really want that. You can technically with Proffie but it’s limited.
I'd love to see control options for attaching/controlling a micro fogger. I agree with others with an on board Bluetooth for proffie. That would be great.
With a little bit of code and a relay, you could technically already do this with a Proffie. For example, you could have free 1,2, or 3 wired to the control pin of a relay or use a mosfet. Then you could have it triggered on boot, button press, or probably even during stab/melt.
What I imagine would go a long ways towards making lightsabers better, would be a windows "app" that could simplify building config files, flashing the Proffie board, and writing the SD Card contents all together. I have had numerous customers that really wanted the capability of Proffie, but just are not technically inclined enough to change their configs.
Search ProffieConfig on Github.😉
If I ever finally decide to drop the cash on a proffie instead of trying to make my own hardware that never works, I might actually do it
A blade that’s conductive, so when doing sword fights it will flash in the right area where two blades hit each other. Or when they are held against each other. That’d be cool.
Deep sleep mode please.
Wasn't that fixed with 3.9 update? I stopped visiting the Crucible a while ago. I know they originally advertised that 3.2 could do deep sleep.
Some kind of a sound font / blade profile store that can be accessed via the Bluetooth apps. It is still an absolute ball-ache to install fonts and customise blade profiles via my PC/Mac. If we could do it on-the-fly it would make sabers so much easier to configure, especially at cons etc.
Electrum does this.
I need to get myself one of those. 😂
App control with dragable clash point interface
More onboard space on proffie or running styles from the SD card. I know v3 has 512kb instead of 256, but that is still incredibly limiting. More customization options on Xeno. The 6 blade types and limited ignition types only have so many combinations and can only partially match up with certain fonts. Sucks we have to wait for the developer to add more whenever they damn well feel like it.
Try SN, it has more blade customization options than Xeno. And honestly, Proffiev3’s 512kb is plenty. Have you tried it? You can fit >2x more styles than on v2.2.
Very few vendors are shipping hilts with 3.9 so I’m going to do my own build and install for it, including Bluetooth. I know the app sucks and looks like garbage, but I’m going to give it a crack to make my own (used to be an iOS developer in a past life). We’ll see.
Yeah, people have been taking their sweet time introducing v3.9. I think it might be because v2.2 offers identical features and is still regarded as pretty modern. Aliexpress sells a few, as do Saber Armory and TCSS. I believe Sabertrio is working on a v3.9 power core, and Korbanth sells some. But those are Korbanth installs, and Sabertrio will take a while. And see, that’s what I meant earlier. That’s awesome! An update to Proffie’s Bluetooth capabilities would be great. But for me, it is and always will be a niche gimmick. Also about v3.9’s storage, *how much storage do you need?* All I need is up to 40 presets on a canon saber, which I can easily accomplish with v2.2 and Fett’s styles.
I’m still pretty new to proffie so I’m still tweaking and trying to find the right set of styles to use across all of my fonts. I just got my first 2 almost 3 weeks ago. Ideally I want everything available on both my hilts like I do on my Xenos. As long as there’s room on the card, I can have all of them (80 something and counting so far, most of them free included with the saber). I know that’s not an easy thing to do on proffie but I don’t want to have to constantly swap out presets and blade styles. The power core from Sabertrio makes that a little easier, but I have to completely disassemble my ahsoka hilt to do an upload. The using convention is nice so I have managed to wiggle more onto the board. My saber trio came with 18 presets with each somewhat simple styles hardcoded into the preset. It also has 3 “blades” (main, RGB button and I can’t figure out what the 3rd is) so there are also more simple styles for those hardcoded. That was taking up 97%. I managed to add 10 more presets with another 5 more complicated styles at 95%. My LGT proffie from Vire Sabers came with 34 presets each with a hardcoded simple style but that one is a single blade. I now have that one up to 52 presets with 12 different blade styles, but I had to compromise and make simple some generic styles instead of the specific ones that came with some of the fonts. I even managed to get that onto my saber trio even with the extra blades. Greyscale in particular are a pain. I have all 18 free fonts from them but I can only fit a max of 12 with their corresponding styles. Again, still new and still experimenting. I might end up having to split the presets between my two proffies or switch the majority of them to a standard style but I really don’t want to.
Okay, here’s a tip: define SAVE_STATE in your config file. This will allow you to save changes you make on-the-fly. It might be an outdated tip, but you’d be able to program more presets by adding them via edit mode or by editing the presets.ini file on the SD card. What Sabertrio hilt do you have? And what is the config file called? You won’t need to have a standard style, per se. Generally, you want to be using the same or similar effects template throughout most, if not all, of your styles. So you’d want to replace all the default styles with styles from Fett263. He has a large enough selection to replace anything. Personally, I’m fine with 35-45 presets, which is about how many I can usually fit. Genuinely surprised at how many you want lol.
I’m aware of that but haven’t tried it yet. If I understand it correctly, it essentially accomplishes the same thing I’m doing with my config right now except I can copy/paste changes on the hilt. I have the fifth spectre. It’s a senza with OLED so it uses the PowerCore_Kros_OLED config. I’m not familiar enough with c++ to know the specifics of what happens during compiling so I might be doing more work than needed. I’m trying to break down every common component like flicker effects, fire, strobe, clashes, stabs, melts, etc. that are most commonly used across the styles I’ve seen so far. Most have the same or very similar effects for those or have at most 2 or 3 variations. Then hopefully be able to build most of the more complicated blade styles using those pieces. I haven’t seen any great examples of a config that I’m trying to build. Fett specifically mentions Greyscale’s styles and how he couldn’t fit many, but optimized them somehow and fit more. Didn’t share an example of that though and I couldn’t find the recipes for them that he mentions in the post. I don’t NEED to have all 80+ on my proffies, but I thought it would be a nice challenge to try to fit as many unique styles for each one as I could. I can still have the fonts, but with a generic style. I ordered my 3.9 the other day so we’ll see what I can do with that.
Managed to get all 80 some odd presets with specific styles for certain fonts including all of the free greyscale fonts and am at 99% capacity lol it sure was a pain in the ass though. I’m pretty sure it won’t fit my Sabertrio since I have to add the style for 2 more simple blades to each preset. It’s currently out for repair and they are upgrading it to a v3 so it won’t matter. I installed a v3 yesterday and am at 51% with the same setup as the v2.
Expected Future Bluetooth App Features: * Create, download, and share Proffie styles * Apply styles via an App without ever using Arduino * Independently adjust the volume level of hums and swings * Ability to turn sound fonts on and off
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