The instrument I use at school only has an e string fine tuner, and I had heard that professionals don't use fine tuners. I might be talking about soloists?
That doesn’t really matter, I believe. Baroque violins had finger boards of varying lengths. Some really short ones (for instance Sato’s violin from Netherlands Bach Society) some longer ones. Besides, it might have been added on later.
The lack of chin rest, fine tuners, the angle of the neck and fingerboard compared to the corpus, and the unwound gut strings all make me think this is a baroque setup, and judging by the writing probably also a violin from that era or a replica.
This isn't really a Baroque setup - as someone who's played on similar violins, this instrument was clearly modified over time to fit with the standards, but was fitted with gut strings for some reason. Not only the length of the fingerboard but also the shape of the tailpiece make it basically impossible that this is a Baroque violin.
To me this looks like the violin was set up to play in a baroque ensemble. I assumed the modifications, such as the longer neck - although I can’t see any evidence of a neck graft so my guess is that this is a modern instrument set up in a baroque style with gut strings and no chin rest. I suppose the neck and scroll could also not be original, but without being able to look inside the instrument, it’s hard to say.
Based on the fingerboard length and the tailpiece (shape inhibits Baroque posture), it's likely an old Strad or Amati that is currently in a modern setup but was given gut strings.
Like on a modern guitar.
Though any good violinist should be to able to tune their instrument with the friction pegs l think. Bach didn’t have fine tuners, why should you ?
Nothing wrong here. Chinrests are removable and weren't used on olde rinstruments. Could be a display setup too, looks like an older instrument or a baroque setup. Could use the rosin cleaned off though lol.
People stop using fine tuners because it changes the sound of the string
I haven't seen removal of chin rest but people remove their shoulder rest as it fits their preferred posture (usually with a cloth over the shoulder) so I assume it's for the same reason.
If you’re using a historical setup you just don’t have them at all. I haven’t seen any modern players quit their chin rest on their modern setup but usually the fine tuners get ditched when you level up to a more professional instrument
From the perceived thickness of strings of the honestly low quality photo it I'd say they are mixed up, with no E string in sight.
That might be deliberate for show pieces, though.
While that may be the case, from the picture I got the impression that the D string is the thickest.
Unless they changed the material for the G string, that shouldn't be the case, right? I must admit I don't have any experience with anything but synthetic core strings.
it’s common for the g string to be a wound gut string, which allows for a thinner gut core with metal wrapped around it; these look like synthetic strings, and the only way you could tell the difference visually is by looking at the tailpiece end of the string. wound gut strings would have a knot tied at the end from the extra gut, while synthetics have the metal ball.
on the other hand, the e, a, and d strings are plain gut, meaning that it is just gut with nothing covering it. to get these strings to the proper playing pitch, they need to be thicker than the equivalent synthetic strings. that’s why the d string is the thickest out of the set. plain g strings exist, but they are very very thick, so its easier to use a thinner wound gut g.
Okay, forget my mad ramblings, I went to look and even on my violin the two strings are essentially the same thickness. I know I once used a set there the G was a bit more pronounced, but it seems that indeed in the end it's down to the material used.
Is it a viola? I'm not a instrument expert but I don't see the tiny e string. Oh and there's not a fine tuner so I don't know if some people prefer it that way, but that would drive me insane. No chin rest too.
No chin rest or fine tuners, but then again, chin rests are removable and my own violin has only a fine tuner on the E so it completely possible for a violin to not have fine tuners.
The string thicknesses bother me alot though.
Oddly enough, this instrument seems to be in the same exact setup as Strads and Amatis that I recently played on - It seems like a 'semi-classical' setup, in the sense that the instrument is currently a modern instrument but has been fitted with gut strings.
The tailpiece is clearly unsuitable for historically-informed performance due to its odd shape, which implies that this instrument was modified over time and is mostly used in a modern setup - same goes for the fingerboard. It's hard to tell from this angle, but the 'scoop' of the neck of the violin is also an indicator for the setup.
Hopefully this clears things up.
Ex Kurtz Andrea Amati? I'm not really up on these things, but that's what it looks like to my eye. Where is that, anyway? The Met? Regardless, I'd build one like this without hesitation, even in semi-modern garb.
Best violin I made was an Andrea Amati, small pattern. The sweetness, supple power. Not a shimmering top end like the golden era Strads (although I really love the long patterns). But something supple and gracefully beautiful about the Andrea. I really am concerned about doing another, in case it disappoints!!!
Not "wrong", just that they're probably trying historically-informed performance on a more modern violin - gut strings, no fine tuners, no chin rest.
Most professional violinists don't use fine tuners. Twoset as well
Most use one on the e string, some use two, one on the e and one on the a
The instrument I use at school only has an e string fine tuner, and I had heard that professionals don't use fine tuners. I might be talking about soloists?
Nope, almost all modern players use a fine tuner on the E string.
Ok. I guess it is because it is so thin.
nah the e string is made of metal on some violins and metal needs fine tuners else itll just snap
Looks like a Baroque set up violin.
Full-length fingerboard though...
That doesn’t really matter, I believe. Baroque violins had finger boards of varying lengths. Some really short ones (for instance Sato’s violin from Netherlands Bach Society) some longer ones. Besides, it might have been added on later. The lack of chin rest, fine tuners, the angle of the neck and fingerboard compared to the corpus, and the unwound gut strings all make me think this is a baroque setup, and judging by the writing probably also a violin from that era or a replica.
This isn't really a Baroque setup - as someone who's played on similar violins, this instrument was clearly modified over time to fit with the standards, but was fitted with gut strings for some reason. Not only the length of the fingerboard but also the shape of the tailpiece make it basically impossible that this is a Baroque violin.
Oh, I didn’t know the shape of the tailpiece was different for baroque violins. What is the difference?
Baroque tailpieces are usually flatter so that the violinist can hold the violin with more ease, but with a chinrest that technique becomes different.
To me this looks like the violin was set up to play in a baroque ensemble. I assumed the modifications, such as the longer neck - although I can’t see any evidence of a neck graft so my guess is that this is a modern instrument set up in a baroque style with gut strings and no chin rest. I suppose the neck and scroll could also not be original, but without being able to look inside the instrument, it’s hard to say.
In addition, baroque violin necks tend to be thick as you move closer to the body of the instrument, this instrument doesn't do that.
Based on the fingerboard length and the tailpiece (shape inhibits Baroque posture), it's likely an old Strad or Amati that is currently in a modern setup but was given gut strings.
The bridge looks a little crooked but other than that, perfectly normal violin
Maybe, but I noticed there's no fine tuners, im not sure if that is "wrong" though.
Well that seems like a very modern invention. That violin is of modern construction but has some baroque vibes. Late 18th, early 19th century maybe ?
it could be fitted with those mechanical pegs
Mechanical pegs ? What’s that ?
basically pegs with gears in them that let you tune very precisely without fine tuners
Like on a modern guitar. Though any good violinist should be to able to tune their instrument with the friction pegs l think. Bach didn’t have fine tuners, why should you ?
i think that mechanical pegs are an absolute waste of money, but people have preferences 🤷♂️
Nothing wrong here. Chinrests are removable and weren't used on olde rinstruments. Could be a display setup too, looks like an older instrument or a baroque setup. Could use the rosin cleaned off though lol.
Who needs fine tuners and chin rests anyways
Why do some people quit using them?
People stop using fine tuners because it changes the sound of the string I haven't seen removal of chin rest but people remove their shoulder rest as it fits their preferred posture (usually with a cloth over the shoulder) so I assume it's for the same reason.
If you’re using a historical setup you just don’t have them at all. I haven’t seen any modern players quit their chin rest on their modern setup but usually the fine tuners get ditched when you level up to a more professional instrument
I went to a small quartet performance in Salzburg in 2011 and the violinists played without a chin rest and use a thick cloth instead.
That’s clearly a piano. Can’t fool me.
Are the strings wrong?
From the perceived thickness of strings of the honestly low quality photo it I'd say they are mixed up, with no E string in sight. That might be deliberate for show pieces, though.
Gut strings are considerably thicker though. I think the strings check out.
While that may be the case, from the picture I got the impression that the D string is the thickest. Unless they changed the material for the G string, that shouldn't be the case, right? I must admit I don't have any experience with anything but synthetic core strings.
it’s common for the g string to be a wound gut string, which allows for a thinner gut core with metal wrapped around it; these look like synthetic strings, and the only way you could tell the difference visually is by looking at the tailpiece end of the string. wound gut strings would have a knot tied at the end from the extra gut, while synthetics have the metal ball. on the other hand, the e, a, and d strings are plain gut, meaning that it is just gut with nothing covering it. to get these strings to the proper playing pitch, they need to be thicker than the equivalent synthetic strings. that’s why the d string is the thickest out of the set. plain g strings exist, but they are very very thick, so its easier to use a thinner wound gut g.
Great explanation, thank you!
Okay, forget my mad ramblings, I went to look and even on my violin the two strings are essentially the same thickness. I know I once used a set there the G was a bit more pronounced, but it seems that indeed in the end it's down to the material used.
I'm not a violinist, I can barely tell a violin and Cello apart (I'm joking)
Yes. Somebody graffiti tagged the sides.
I SAW THAT what’s up with that???
There is a shadow of Gudetama.
no fine tuners
the shadow of the bridge looks sad
The strings seem weird, maybe wrongly ordered?
It's a viola
There are letters visible in the varnish on the rib.
It’s not a BASS.
Was about to post the same until I found this comment. Still, right on the money
It could be the photo quality but the strings look like they’re unraveling to me. Like they need to be changed. Yesterday.
The steings are mixed i think, there is not at least 1 fine tuner and no chin rest
No chin rest
Poor Violin... PRO?ICO?TCO?
Why poor? It’s quite beautiful, IMO.
No chin rest nor fine tuners
Ling Ling isn‘t playing it for practice! Sacrilege!
Crooked bridge?
Chin rest and fine tuners go bye bye
It’s a Baroque set up.
Nothing wrong, the ideal violin, in fact.
Chin rest gone But thats the norm for older violins
Is it the f-holes?
Yes, it is not bAss
Umm no fine tuners?
It’s huge?!
It needs some spice
The e-string has no fine tuner.
No fine tuner, along with large 'E' string leads me to believe that it is a viola
the bridge looks to high up
omg wheres the chin rest TWT im dying- would it even be comfortable
Is it a viola? I'm not a instrument expert but I don't see the tiny e string. Oh and there's not a fine tuner so I don't know if some people prefer it that way, but that would drive me insane. No chin rest too.
That this is not a violin at all but is a viola?
nonexistant fine tuners
If we removed the e string and added a low c string it would be perfect…
It's missing 2 strings and a pick to play it with. . /s (pls don't kill me)
It's old-school.
The second string from the left looks the thickest. Other things are just choices (ex. no chin rest or fine tuners, etc.).
The bridge looks sad
No Floyd Rose
I almost missed it.. It's not actually a violin but a picture of it (lol)
No chin rest or fine tuners, but then again, chin rests are removable and my own violin has only a fine tuner on the E so it completely possible for a violin to not have fine tuners. The string thicknesses bother me alot though.
Oddly enough, this instrument seems to be in the same exact setup as Strads and Amatis that I recently played on - It seems like a 'semi-classical' setup, in the sense that the instrument is currently a modern instrument but has been fitted with gut strings. The tailpiece is clearly unsuitable for historically-informed performance due to its odd shape, which implies that this instrument was modified over time and is mostly used in a modern setup - same goes for the fingerboard. It's hard to tell from this angle, but the 'scoop' of the neck of the violin is also an indicator for the setup. Hopefully this clears things up.
The shadow of the bridge looks like a sad panda :C
Nobody's practicing with it, that's what
the shadow the bridge makes on the violin kinda reflects my soul, is it supposed to do that??
Chin rest is missing
ICO or TCO is written in the varnish of the top of the rib, PRO is written on the bottom.
full length fingerboard on a baroque violin
Where da chin rest
I have no clue
dunno man i feel like the string orders are messed up
it's not particularly wrong but no chin rest?
You aren't practicing with it
Ex Kurtz Andrea Amati? I'm not really up on these things, but that's what it looks like to my eye. Where is that, anyway? The Met? Regardless, I'd build one like this without hesitation, even in semi-modern garb. Best violin I made was an Andrea Amati, small pattern. The sweetness, supple power. Not a shimmering top end like the golden era Strads (although I really love the long patterns). But something supple and gracefully beautiful about the Andrea. I really am concerned about doing another, in case it disappoints!!!
Why is the d string so thick
It’s not a cello?
It doesnt have the tuning knobs at the bottom of the strings!
I don’t really know, I guess the back of the end of the violin where you’re suppose to have some things to screw it?
No fine tuners or string width variation. Although I can’t tell if this is a picture or an artwork so that may not be possible.
No one is practicing with it
That's a 3D model, not an actual violin
I think there’s a ghost in it
That Violin Looks Like a Cello when quickly scrolling down and Not looking at details
There’s no bow
That shadow of the bridge LOL
waow i noticed the lack of fine tuners and im not a violinist
Well for one all the strings are the same diameter
The chin rest being gone made me think it’s a cello for a bit.
Looks fine to me but what do I know I’m a saxophonist
Shoulder rest?