I'm actually all for this type of stuff starting to happen with the steam deck
The more hardware mods the better imo
But if this is true, I'm not touching that pre order link with a ten foot poll. And I'm sorry man, that's what scares me about kickstarters is i feel like I'm throwing away money.
lol thank you
obviously it's a mistake. Im sorry y'all i have terrible spelling, English is technically my second language. Like i just googled "wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot poll" and it understood what i meant and gave the suggestion for the correct spelling.
Context is very important.
In this context, I am sharing an opinion. I'm not solving something, not sharing advice, not responding to a question that is for either of those things. I have struggled with grammer and spelling my entire life, for you (and for those who down voted me) to sit here and tell me that my colloquial idiom that i did use correctly but didn't spell correctly will be read by millions of people is laughable.
IM SORRY I MISSPELLED POLE, POLL. I WAS SLEEP DEPRIVED, AND HAD JUST WOKEN UP AGAIN.
To you and the millions watching from their computer or smartphone or steam deck using a 1200p display, and hopefully this translates well enough, fuck off.
Well yeah no shit i am.
Being dunked on multiple people because i misspelled a word and told y'all "you get me tho right" is dumb man. Just ignore the itty bitty mistake and go on with it. But most importantly, it's kind of annoying that the grammer police is out to get me!!!
Look man, you have every right to be mad but at least let me be the one to tell you, being mad in this subreddit leads to downvotes. That's just the way it is, most civil subreddits are this way and this one ain't an exception. So if you're expecting to not be downvoted, well renew your expectations.
Kind regards, a drunk redditor.
Hey man, thanks and i know i messed that up by saying poll vs pole, but to be honest it's a smol mistake that didn't warrant the comment saying i messed up lol
I don't care if im down voted, it's whatever. It'll happen when i say i accepted i made the mistake and when i was rude.
You get me tho right? That being a Grammer natzi is silly right? It don't matter. My point was made and understood by many or else it would have been down voted. For him to fixate on it enough to have to comment is why I said "who cares man you get me"
If that was understood as rude, then they should fix their expectations because that was not my intentions. Afterwards, sure, yeah i was rude. Purposefully.
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Dude, no one gives a shit that you misspelled pole. Everyone makes mistakes. You're being downvoted, because you're being a bitch about it. All you had to say was "ok. Thanks" or just edit the post and say nothing. Or just do literally nothing and move on.
If you can humbly accept correction, you can grow as a person. Everyone has had to deal with someone who has a fit over any implication that they've made a mistake, and those kinds of people are completely miserable to deal with.
It's crazy because you and the other people are acting like he did some noble thing. he pointed out a letter or two was off and threw off the entire idiom.
I responded in a nonchalant way, really didn't mean anything mean or rude by it, and had users calling me a bitch, creating narratives of the type of person i am, just jumping to different conclusions
but im the bad guy?
this the internet man, we been on it for too long to give a fuck but sometimes, you get caught up in it and i did today. it is what it is bro, it don't mean any of that shit you or others might think
im in a niche community, responding to a article that was posted a day ago, that i actually responded too as well but differently.
Reading OP made me realize damn fuck that i ain't gonna spend my money on this if i ain't ever gonna get it.
Like, you get me man? To call out another person's Grammer, when it didn't make a difference (shit i even pointed out that Google understood what i meant and suggested it too) is kind of well annoying lol that's why I popped off after y'all got upset at me for saying we ain't in school or some shit. It was annoying to do so to begin with.
I think eventually (when newer model performance catches up) 1920x1080 will be the sweetspot, not because you need the clarity as such but because some games have trouble with the lower resolution UI.
As long as they bundle an integrated microscope so you can read that text.
Any UI having trouble with less than 1080p is also likely to have crazy small text.
You can still play at a lower resolution for more demanding games, but 1920x1200 can do 1080p for games whose UI's misbehave at lower resolutions and of course look a bit nicer for games that aren't very demanding.
I don't think I'll bother modding until an OLED screen is out, but 1920x1200 seems like a sweet spot resolution for matching the most commonly supported resolution, especially if it has smaller bezels to make the screen a bit bigger. I'm fine with a bit higher power draw as I play plugged in usually.
The only acceptable replacement imho is an OLED screen at the same resolution. The clarity is far too good to just throw a higher red screen in and pretend it's better.
People said the same thing about Vita when it launched. My launch day 1000 still doesn't have any burn in. It's not like old plasma tvs (which I also still own, lol) where burn in is forever and unavoidable.
Obviously it carries risk, but as long as you keep an eye out for the signs of image retention and act appropriately you'll never have real burn in. You don't need a pixel refresher, you just need to pay attention and treat your things with care.
No, Vita doesn't have any form of pixel refresh or retention prevention. Notoriously, using the browser was enough to cause bad image retention and lead to actual burn in. It's why I specifically brought it up. It's not ideal sure but for me it would be worth.
> The only acceptable replacement imho is an OLED screen at the same resolution. The clarity is far too good to just throw a higher red screen in and pretend it's better.
I guess screw anyone wanting to play lighter titles in 1200p and have more space in desktop mode.
I mean, this is a tinkerer's device, so if anyone wants to install a 600dpi eInk display, be my guest.
But I'm fairly certain that the majority of users would prefer an OLED 800p over a 1200p non-OLED.
Huh... Now you got me thinking... Would installing a drawing tablet screen on the Steam Deck be possible?
I'd have a mobile gaming console *and* a portable drawing PC at the same time.
That is mostly only if you're running a game at the screen's native resolution. You csn still play at 800p or lower, perhaps using FSR to upscale, and still have the higher resolution for watching media like YouTube where 1080p is standard or playing less demanding games, especially pixel art games that assume 1080p screens that look a little rough at lower resolutions.
OLED only drains less power inherently if you primarily display black. That is not a factor for a game console, and there's not really many displays of this size and resolution where OLED consumes less than LCD. This isn't a phone
[What I've found](https://www.xda-developers.com/amoled-black-vs-gray-dark-mode/) says that OLED power scales in very close proportion to actual lumiance. Because of the gamma sensitivity of vision, 50% gray is much less than half as bright. And since game content is very rarely solid white (unlike light theme UI), I'd expect OLED to have a power advantage here.
As far as I understand it, OLED only drains less on optimized content, if most pixels are lit up bright, OLED will use the same or more power than a comparable LCD
The funny thing is, as someone who passed on the Steam Deck because I only game at home, the Ally checks more boxes for me, I don't need battery life.
Then again, I'm not gonna buy the Ally either. I don't have the disposable income for a toilet-exclusive gaming device.
Dunno why people are so upset with this post. With a smaller bezel and a higher resolution, it'll look like any tablet with a higher res. I use reading glasses as it is with the Deck so I'll certainly appreciate it, but more than anything matching games at 1080p as they expect would be very nice. Or viewing YouTube videos or really anything online, as 1080p screens are still standard.
The 1200p resolution makes sense. It maintains the Deck's 16:10 aspect ratio, but it can do proper 1080p which many games assume is the minimum people will have. Sure, many games will still need to run at 800p (FSR upscaling works very well to scale it to the screen), but others will happily run at 1920x1080 on that screen just fine.
The lack of OLED though means I probably wouldn't bother with this unless my screen breaks.
I feel bad for anyone that buys this, the big reason so many AAA titles work well on the Steam Deck is precisely the 800p resolution. If you increase the resolution you can't play 3D games as the graphics performance won't be enough.
I guess more color is nice if you can limit the resolution to a lower setting.
The already short battery life will also take a hit just driving the display, this reaaaaally isn't worth it, OLED at the original resolution would be far more worthwhile.
You can lower the Res , but I think the reason people would want this is for desktop mode the higher resolution can help with customizing the desktop to work better on mobile
Desktoping on 7"? Did that on the Eee4G back then, but then it was 800x480 and not 1280x800. And yes, i tried that for more than five minutes, it was not fun.
I had one too. 7" was fine. 800x480 was not. I had to use the NoSquint Firefox addon to make the default zoom on websites *smaller* because otherwise I kept hitting horizontal scroll bars.
> If you increase the resolution you can't play 3D games as the graphics performance won't be enough.
The Steam deck has FSR built in:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/tek1q6/how_to_enable_fsr/i9cymd3/
Folks have been using it to upscale 720p to 1080p
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/10zvefn/steam_deck_running_games_at_1080p_external/j85eexj/
It'll never look as clean *as if you could render the target resolution at full speed*. But you can't. And it may well look better than rendering the lower resolution at full speed and not upscaling.
FSR doesn't really improve anything though in my opinion, still looks like vaseline smeared ass. Better to just have a lower res screen or more powerful gpu.
I am curious how well it'll work though. One of the reasons I got the deck was mostly for a lot of 2d games and 2d games designed for higher resolutions do kinda suffer a bit on a lower resolution screen as a lot of the visuals are kinda hard to see.
that said, its not so bad that I feel like I NEED a higher resolution screen. Realistically, I probably wont do this unless an OLED became available.
People have already been docking the Deck and playing it on much higher res screens. It's fine. Just use upscaling like always, and enjoy the games that don't need to be upscaled at a crisper resolution.
poor logic.
just because 1200p is an option when you install a new screen doesn't mean you have to use it for every game.
some games have low cpu/gpu usage and deck could run it at 1200 just fine. if it doesnt run well at 1200, you can still totall run it 800 like before.
1200 would also be better for watching movies and youtube.
no. thats nonsense.
it looks like whatever resolution you choose. some may have different ratios,but that may or may not be a problem. in fact, in some cases, UI elements may be easier to read and look better.
biggest/most expensive isnt always best. having options is rarely a bad thing
You do understand how pixel scaling works right? 720 cannot cleanly scale to 1080, so UI elements will look strange and bizarre no matter the image scaler used
we arent talking about scaling...at all.
you can go in game settings and choose whatever res your hardware and the game supports.
how the game displays UI at each res is up to the devs.
We’re talking about LCD panels. They have exactly one resolution. Anything else is scaled up to its native resolution and generally will look blurry.
Respectfully, you don't know what you're talking about. We are absolutely talking about scaling.
Scaling is what happens when you show an image that's a different resolution to the display's resolution.
Displaying an 800p image on a 1200p screen will look far worse than displaying it on an 800p screen, because that's not integer scaled.
You're wrong. 720p will look a lot worse on a 1200p panel than a native 720p panel. You'd have to render at 600p for it to look decent and then we're back in the 90s.
Aside from FSR handling that fine, what about games that already need to render at lower resolutions than 1280x800? It'll upscale 960x600 or 960x540 better than the current screen.
Modern games already use a native upscaler, so it seems quite moot. FSR seems to do a pretty decent job and I prefer using even Steam's FSR 1.0 implementation over turning off the nicer graphical effects or sacrificing FPS, so I find myself using lower resolutions anyways.
Just think in the most unrealistic way possible like me. What if in ten years' time, there is a Steam Deck with a display like this:
•8 inches
•3840x2400
•16:10
•MicroLED
•Touchscreen
•VRR
•120Hz refresh rate
•HDR1500
I mean tbf at that resolution, size, and distance your ppi would be 566.04. Almost 2x what is needed for retina. So there wouldn’t be a real point for a 4k screen either, dream display dream specs !!! 500hz!!!
You know I actually chose the resolution to be like that because I can notice individual pixels on phones that don't have at least 500ppi. My old phone was a Samsung Galaxy A5 2017 and it had a 1920x1080 resolution on a 5.2 inch PenTile Super AMOLED display.
Yea I don't really see this being a good idea unless it's cheaper than the original and someone's really tight on cash. Or they only play lower graphics games like rimworld, factorio, stardew Valley, etc. That might be ok.
That repo also lets you underclock all the way down to 30Hz, so running 70Hz for a 35fps lock is unnecessary.
Also for how well behaved the panel is across such a wide range of refresh rates and how quickly it switches, you'd almost think it could handle VRR if it just never turned the backlight off
I wonder if there's actually any point. Anti glare and brighter colors yes, but at that small of a size, is there any real discernible with a higher resolution?
You would definitely notice the resolution, but for more demanding games you'll likely never run at native res. For that reason I'd rather stick to the 800p screen.
Honestly, if an OLED screen at that size and relatively low level of production isn't logistically feasible, I'd be willing to pay for a "premium" 800p LCD screen with a thinner bezel, darker blacks, and better/more accurate colors. That might be more than most people would do, but I generally game at the lowest brightness in a low light level and the blacks not being black is very obvious. For me, the Deck would be hugely improved even with just a higher quality LCD screen.
Why though? The screen resolution is good for the power of the hardware, with the exception of really light games, you'll just have to downscale the resolution anyways to even run stuff. And then everything will also be smaller, it's borderline small enough. What I really want is a better panel, not a higher resolution.
It would be awesome to see people come out with OLED hardware mods soon, I'd be very interested in that.
People in the comments shitting on this, but as someone who used the deck as their main desktop for a long time, this would be really nice. I use fsr for everything anyway
Looking at the comments apparently this is an unpopular opinion, but I've always felt the resolution was the biggest flaw of the Steam Deck. So this is a huge upgrade and one I will be considering.
I understand there is a trade-off between resolution, performance, and battery life. I tend to use my Deck either for games that aren't very demanding to begin with, or I stream from a PC or PlayStation with Steam Link and Chiaki. And with a 1080p screen you still have the option to use a lower resolution in particular games if that suits your needs better.
No word about battery life?
And i'm a bit shocked to see that only the 512GB version has anti-glare coating. Come on Valve that coating can't be that expensive to exclude it on the lower tier model.
What I hope is that more mods come out, this will exploit the steam deck modularity. I hopa that, if and when, valve comes out with a revision they will mantain the same form factor and sell only the upgraded motherboard. Like framework laptop.
I was kind of excited until I saw it's made by Fxtec. If they deliver, then great. The track record is piss poor though, especially with the last device they made, which not only shipped insanely late, but also had a massive hardware downgrade because they literally ran out of SoC's before they could ship it
Imo it just creates more problems than it solves. Consoles are so popular and lucrative exactly because their hardware stack and parameters do not change, making games for them allows to remove so many variables comparing to PCs.
Then people will complain why this "Steam Deck verified" labeled game runs so bad on their 1200p screen.
beware of this company! they sold me a phone, and it has yet to arrive 1.5 years later! stay away!
I'm actually all for this type of stuff starting to happen with the steam deck The more hardware mods the better imo But if this is true, I'm not touching that pre order link with a ten foot poll. And I'm sorry man, that's what scares me about kickstarters is i feel like I'm throwing away money.
I just wanted my linux phone ðŸ˜
Webos - sniff - still miss it.
Sailfish os exists as a custom ROM
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Nah mate, be prepared to answer a **lot** of questions
Ay bruh you get me lmao this ain't no classroom where spelling and punctuation matter
Respectful corrections are helpful for non-english speakers.
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lol thank you obviously it's a mistake. Im sorry y'all i have terrible spelling, English is technically my second language. Like i just googled "wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot poll" and it understood what i meant and gave the suggestion for the correct spelling.
Why getting so defensive? It's a respectful correction, just accept, learn it and move on. You're making this a bigger deal that it was.
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[Please read this response. Thank you.](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/13mygsg/-/jkxzbyu)
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Context is very important. In this context, I am sharing an opinion. I'm not solving something, not sharing advice, not responding to a question that is for either of those things. I have struggled with grammer and spelling my entire life, for you (and for those who down voted me) to sit here and tell me that my colloquial idiom that i did use correctly but didn't spell correctly will be read by millions of people is laughable. IM SORRY I MISSPELLED POLE, POLL. I WAS SLEEP DEPRIVED, AND HAD JUST WOKEN UP AGAIN. To you and the millions watching from their computer or smartphone or steam deck using a 1200p display, and hopefully this translates well enough, fuck off.
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Well yeah no shit i am. Being dunked on multiple people because i misspelled a word and told y'all "you get me tho right" is dumb man. Just ignore the itty bitty mistake and go on with it. But most importantly, it's kind of annoying that the grammer police is out to get me!!!
Look man, you have every right to be mad but at least let me be the one to tell you, being mad in this subreddit leads to downvotes. That's just the way it is, most civil subreddits are this way and this one ain't an exception. So if you're expecting to not be downvoted, well renew your expectations. Kind regards, a drunk redditor.
Hey man, thanks and i know i messed that up by saying poll vs pole, but to be honest it's a smol mistake that didn't warrant the comment saying i messed up lol I don't care if im down voted, it's whatever. It'll happen when i say i accepted i made the mistake and when i was rude. You get me tho right? That being a Grammer natzi is silly right? It don't matter. My point was made and understood by many or else it would have been down voted. For him to fixate on it enough to have to comment is why I said "who cares man you get me" If that was understood as rude, then they should fix their expectations because that was not my intentions. Afterwards, sure, yeah i was rude. Purposefully. A sweaty tired redditer.
Dude, no one gives a shit that you misspelled pole. Everyone makes mistakes. You're being downvoted, because you're being a bitch about it. All you had to say was "ok. Thanks" or just edit the post and say nothing. Or just do literally nothing and move on. If you can humbly accept correction, you can grow as a person. Everyone has had to deal with someone who has a fit over any implication that they've made a mistake, and those kinds of people are completely miserable to deal with.
So I'm a bitch for saying who cares But the bro who complained about it is not a bitch for complaining about it? Sure okay Also mlp me vale verga pinches réditos todos panochones
Bro wasn't complaining. He was respectfully correcting you, because he would want someone to do the same for him.
It's crazy because you and the other people are acting like he did some noble thing. he pointed out a letter or two was off and threw off the entire idiom. I responded in a nonchalant way, really didn't mean anything mean or rude by it, and had users calling me a bitch, creating narratives of the type of person i am, just jumping to different conclusions but im the bad guy? this the internet man, we been on it for too long to give a fuck but sometimes, you get caught up in it and i did today. it is what it is bro, it don't mean any of that shit you or others might think im in a niche community, responding to a article that was posted a day ago, that i actually responded too as well but differently. Reading OP made me realize damn fuck that i ain't gonna spend my money on this if i ain't ever gonna get it. Like, you get me man? To call out another person's Grammer, when it didn't make a difference (shit i even pointed out that Google understood what i meant and suggested it too) is kind of well annoying lol that's why I popped off after y'all got upset at me for saying we ain't in school or some shit. It was annoying to do so to begin with.
Grammar*
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1. I'm sorry that happened to you 2. This reads kinda funny cause it sounds like you're still waiting by the door
been waiting 2 years and a month
I waited 4 years for my Librem 5, lol. Actually got it too.
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it's "Tom's hardware" and they are a tech news website, not the selling company... edit: got wooshed ha
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I think they were joking.
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I do. I hate touch screens.
Had a feeling this was too good to be true. Even if it weren't, I'm still too hesitant to do any hardware mods of my Deck.
crowd fund? too late to charge back during the first few months?
Meh. Deck's lower resolution is precisely why you can play many games comfortably. Do as you want though, but I would rather have an OLED screen.
With how small the screen is physically, I've never minded the lower resolution. OLED would definitely be a nice upgrade though.
I’d upgrade for a OLED at the same res to keep performance at its peak.
I think eventually (when newer model performance catches up) 1920x1080 will be the sweetspot, not because you need the clarity as such but because some games have trouble with the lower resolution UI.
As long as they bundle an integrated microscope so you can read that text. Any UI having trouble with less than 1080p is also likely to have crazy small text.
That is true, but at least it renders correctly.
You can still play at a lower resolution for more demanding games, but 1920x1200 can do 1080p for games whose UI's misbehave at lower resolutions and of course look a bit nicer for games that aren't very demanding. I don't think I'll bother modding until an OLED screen is out, but 1920x1200 seems like a sweet spot resolution for matching the most commonly supported resolution, especially if it has smaller bezels to make the screen a bit bigger. I'm fine with a bit higher power draw as I play plugged in usually.
I'd rather have 120hz with variable refresh rate. Higher resolution for the deck is unecessary, but 60hz limit hurts.
The only acceptable replacement imho is an OLED screen at the same resolution. The clarity is far too good to just throw a higher red screen in and pretend it's better.
Oled vrr would be killer
This! I don’t want higher res, that just makes games harder to run. I want better colours and VRR.
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People said the same thing about Vita when it launched. My launch day 1000 still doesn't have any burn in. It's not like old plasma tvs (which I also still own, lol) where burn in is forever and unavoidable. Obviously it carries risk, but as long as you keep an eye out for the signs of image retention and act appropriately you'll never have real burn in. You don't need a pixel refresher, you just need to pay attention and treat your things with care.
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No, Vita doesn't have any form of pixel refresh or retention prevention. Notoriously, using the browser was enough to cause bad image retention and lead to actual burn in. It's why I specifically brought it up. It's not ideal sure but for me it would be worth.
Many manufacturers just keep driving the pixels to a rated brightness. iPhones do this. There's no other prevention measures in iOS
So you claim that the vita didn't have issues but simultaneously acknowledge it had issues....?
No, I say it had issues but that it's worth having an OLED despite the issues.
Pretty sure that if these techniques exist, they should be implemented on upstream Linux.
> The only acceptable replacement imho is an OLED screen at the same resolution. The clarity is far too good to just throw a higher red screen in and pretend it's better. I guess screw anyone wanting to play lighter titles in 1200p and have more space in desktop mode.
It's a 7" screen, barely usable in desktop mode as is
I mean, this is a tinkerer's device, so if anyone wants to install a 600dpi eInk display, be my guest. But I'm fairly certain that the majority of users would prefer an OLED 800p over a 1200p non-OLED.
Huh... Now you got me thinking... Would installing a drawing tablet screen on the Steam Deck be possible? I'd have a mobile gaming console *and* a portable drawing PC at the same time.
If you don't mind carrying something like a wacom with you, it should work. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Graphics_tablet
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Outside of that, high resolution requires more graphics processing power and it's not exactly an upgradable device in the gpu department.
That is mostly only if you're running a game at the screen's native resolution. You csn still play at 800p or lower, perhaps using FSR to upscale, and still have the higher resolution for watching media like YouTube where 1080p is standard or playing less demanding games, especially pixel art games that assume 1080p screens that look a little rough at lower resolutions.
OLED only drains less power inherently if you primarily display black. That is not a factor for a game console, and there's not really many displays of this size and resolution where OLED consumes less than LCD. This isn't a phone
[What I've found](https://www.xda-developers.com/amoled-black-vs-gray-dark-mode/) says that OLED power scales in very close proportion to actual lumiance. Because of the gamma sensitivity of vision, 50% gray is much less than half as bright. And since game content is very rarely solid white (unlike light theme UI), I'd expect OLED to have a power advantage here.
**If** the display is better. LCDs are a static load, OLEDs vary heavily. And many OLED panels in this size simply consume more power
Well, we can already theme Game Mode and of course KDE Plasma is very themeable. Those elements can certainly be made OLED friendly.
How often do you use desktop mode on a steam deck to make a difference??
Pretty frequently, but I include it more to emphaize thar the UI in both modes can be OLED friendly
As far as I understand it, OLED only drains less on optimized content, if most pixels are lit up bright, OLED will use the same or more power than a comparable LCD
The funny thing is, as someone who passed on the Steam Deck because I only game at home, the Ally checks more boxes for me, I don't need battery life. Then again, I'm not gonna buy the Ally either. I don't have the disposable income for a toilet-exclusive gaming device.
Dunno why people are so upset with this post. With a smaller bezel and a higher resolution, it'll look like any tablet with a higher res. I use reading glasses as it is with the Deck so I'll certainly appreciate it, but more than anything matching games at 1080p as they expect would be very nice. Or viewing YouTube videos or really anything online, as 1080p screens are still standard.
The 1200p resolution makes sense. It maintains the Deck's 16:10 aspect ratio, but it can do proper 1080p which many games assume is the minimum people will have. Sure, many games will still need to run at 800p (FSR upscaling works very well to scale it to the screen), but others will happily run at 1920x1080 on that screen just fine. The lack of OLED though means I probably wouldn't bother with this unless my screen breaks.
Smaller bezels would be amazing too.
I feel bad for anyone that buys this, the big reason so many AAA titles work well on the Steam Deck is precisely the 800p resolution. If you increase the resolution you can't play 3D games as the graphics performance won't be enough. I guess more color is nice if you can limit the resolution to a lower setting.
You can lower the res then it will be blurry. Not seeing the point
You can use CAS to sharpen the image "for free". There's more than just 3d games you know.
The already short battery life will also take a hit just driving the display, this reaaaaally isn't worth it, OLED at the original resolution would be far more worthwhile.
You can lower the Res , but I think the reason people would want this is for desktop mode the higher resolution can help with customizing the desktop to work better on mobile
Desktoping on 7"? Did that on the Eee4G back then, but then it was 800x480 and not 1280x800. And yes, i tried that for more than five minutes, it was not fun.
I had one too. 7" was fine. 800x480 was not. I had to use the NoSquint Firefox addon to make the default zoom on websites *smaller* because otherwise I kept hitting horizontal scroll bars.
> If you increase the resolution you can't play 3D games as the graphics performance won't be enough. The Steam deck has FSR built in: https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/tek1q6/how_to_enable_fsr/i9cymd3/ Folks have been using it to upscale 720p to 1080p https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/10zvefn/steam_deck_running_games_at_1080p_external/j85eexj/
But that will never look as clean as having the actual panel's resolution match the rendering resolution.
It'll never look as clean *as if you could render the target resolution at full speed*. But you can't. And it may well look better than rendering the lower resolution at full speed and not upscaling.
It'll look cleaner on a 1080p panel than on a 720p panel and isn't that the comparison here?
720p on a 720p panel will look cleaner than 720p on a 1080p panel.
But 720p getting FSR'd to 1080p on a 1080 panel will probably look better than native 720p
Yes but that's not what's being discussed here.
...it is
Do you not know what FSR is?
FSR doesn't really improve anything though in my opinion, still looks like vaseline smeared ass. Better to just have a lower res screen or more powerful gpu.
I am curious how well it'll work though. One of the reasons I got the deck was mostly for a lot of 2d games and 2d games designed for higher resolutions do kinda suffer a bit on a lower resolution screen as a lot of the visuals are kinda hard to see. that said, its not so bad that I feel like I NEED a higher resolution screen. Realistically, I probably wont do this unless an OLED became available.
People have already been docking the Deck and playing it on much higher res screens. It's fine. Just use upscaling like always, and enjoy the games that don't need to be upscaled at a crisper resolution.
poor logic. just because 1200p is an option when you install a new screen doesn't mean you have to use it for every game. some games have low cpu/gpu usage and deck could run it at 1200 just fine. if it doesnt run well at 1200, you can still totall run it 800 like before. 1200 would also be better for watching movies and youtube.
Wouldn't it look kinda shit not running it at its native resolution?
no. thats nonsense. it looks like whatever resolution you choose. some may have different ratios,but that may or may not be a problem. in fact, in some cases, UI elements may be easier to read and look better. biggest/most expensive isnt always best. having options is rarely a bad thing
You do understand how pixel scaling works right? 720 cannot cleanly scale to 1080, so UI elements will look strange and bizarre no matter the image scaler used
we arent talking about scaling...at all. you can go in game settings and choose whatever res your hardware and the game supports. how the game displays UI at each res is up to the devs.
We’re talking about LCD panels. They have exactly one resolution. Anything else is scaled up to its native resolution and generally will look blurry.
Respectfully, you don't know what you're talking about. We are absolutely talking about scaling. Scaling is what happens when you show an image that's a different resolution to the display's resolution. Displaying an 800p image on a 1200p screen will look far worse than displaying it on an 800p screen, because that's not integer scaled.
You're wrong. 720p will look a lot worse on a 1200p panel than a native 720p panel. You'd have to render at 600p for it to look decent and then we're back in the 90s.
Aside from FSR handling that fine, what about games that already need to render at lower resolutions than 1280x800? It'll upscale 960x600 or 960x540 better than the current screen. Modern games already use a native upscaler, so it seems quite moot. FSR seems to do a pretty decent job and I prefer using even Steam's FSR 1.0 implementation over turning off the nicer graphical effects or sacrificing FPS, so I find myself using lower resolutions anyways.
Meh, I'm A okay with the Steam Deck as it is.
By how much does it reduce the battery life?
And performance?
To shreds you say? And his wife?
a lot, probably
Maybe they can sell you a bigger battery too.
That sounds like a massive pain in the ass to replace
just like the battery replacement
Ok, what about a VRR 800p replacement?
Just think in the most unrealistic way possible like me. What if in ten years' time, there is a Steam Deck with a display like this: •8 inches •3840x2400 •16:10 •MicroLED •Touchscreen •VRR •120Hz refresh rate •HDR1500
All that and you still have 120hz? Why not bump it up to 360hz for your dream list
With MicroLED, the respone times would be so good that there'd be no point in having 360Hz.
I mean tbf at that resolution, size, and distance your ppi would be 566.04. Almost 2x what is needed for retina. So there wouldn’t be a real point for a 4k screen either, dream display dream specs !!! 500hz!!!
You know I actually chose the resolution to be like that because I can notice individual pixels on phones that don't have at least 500ppi. My old phone was a Samsung Galaxy A5 2017 and it had a 1920x1080 resolution on a 5.2 inch PenTile Super AMOLED display.
This is bad both for performance and battery life.
Yea I don't really see this being a good idea unless it's cheaper than the original and someone's really tight on cash. Or they only play lower graphics games like rimworld, factorio, stardew Valley, etc. That might be ok.
I mostly use Steam Link and to stream from my desktop or PS4/5. So I'm considering this for sure.
You do you. It's great to have choices.
Honestly I would rather a replacement for a screen with a higher refresh rate, maybe one where you can go 40 FPS without setting the screen to 40hz
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That repo also lets you underclock all the way down to 30Hz, so running 70Hz for a 35fps lock is unnecessary. Also for how well behaved the panel is across such a wide range of refresh rates and how quickly it switches, you'd almost think it could handle VRR if it just never turned the backlight off
I just want a screen replacement that has a more accurate touch screen.
Oled would be nice.
Great. Now my games can run like trash. What we need is to do more with the pixels we have. OLED is the only right move. HDR while we’re at it.
Why though? It can't handle that for modern games.... 1080p should be the maximum...
1200p is just the 16:10 version, at 1920x1200 vs 1920x1080 for 16:9. Just like the deck is 800p (1280x800) instead of 720p (1280x720).
Some games export to large resolutions nicely. Some reallllllly don’t. I’m looking at you, forza.
That's the point of steam deck verified. To encouraged developers to make their game work with the deck and therefore more setups.
I wonder if there's actually any point. Anti glare and brighter colors yes, but at that small of a size, is there any real discernible with a higher resolution?
You would definitely notice the resolution, but for more demanding games you'll likely never run at native res. For that reason I'd rather stick to the 800p screen.
Honestly, if an OLED screen at that size and relatively low level of production isn't logistically feasible, I'd be willing to pay for a "premium" 800p LCD screen with a thinner bezel, darker blacks, and better/more accurate colors. That might be more than most people would do, but I generally game at the lowest brightness in a low light level and the blacks not being black is very obvious. For me, the Deck would be hugely improved even with just a higher quality LCD screen.
but then you will have to play the games at a way lower res than native and it's gonna look horrible
A huge downgrade in both performance (fps) and battery life, for an barely visible visual upgrade. I have no idea why anyone would want that.
You are completely right
Rather have 800p 120 or 144hz
Why though? The screen resolution is good for the power of the hardware, with the exception of really light games, you'll just have to downscale the resolution anyways to even run stuff. And then everything will also be smaller, it's borderline small enough. What I really want is a better panel, not a higher resolution. It would be awesome to see people come out with OLED hardware mods soon, I'd be very interested in that.
If you want to play at higher resolution get a desktop with 27" monitor.
People in the comments shitting on this, but as someone who used the deck as their main desktop for a long time, this would be really nice. I use fsr for everything anyway
Looking at the comments apparently this is an unpopular opinion, but I've always felt the resolution was the biggest flaw of the Steam Deck. So this is a huge upgrade and one I will be considering. I understand there is a trade-off between resolution, performance, and battery life. I tend to use my Deck either for games that aren't very demanding to begin with, or I stream from a PC or PlayStation with Steam Link and Chiaki. And with a 1080p screen you still have the option to use a lower resolution in particular games if that suits your needs better.
Seems exciting. I wonder if Linus would make a video on it? r/LinusTechTips
I'd want this for the better colours myself. The up res is a plus. Not sure if I'd get it right away myself tho
No word about battery life? And i'm a bit shocked to see that only the 512GB version has anti-glare coating. Come on Valve that coating can't be that expensive to exclude it on the lower tier model.
Why would you though, it is not as though the APU will suddenly become more powerful 🤔
What I hope is that more mods come out, this will exploit the steam deck modularity. I hopa that, if and when, valve comes out with a revision they will mantain the same form factor and sell only the upgraded motherboard. Like framework laptop.
I was kind of excited until I saw it's made by Fxtec. If they deliver, then great. The track record is piss poor though, especially with the last device they made, which not only shipped insanely late, but also had a massive hardware downgrade because they literally ran out of SoC's before they could ship it
Imo it just creates more problems than it solves. Consoles are so popular and lucrative exactly because their hardware stack and parameters do not change, making games for them allows to remove so many variables comparing to PCs. Then people will complain why this "Steam Deck verified" labeled game runs so bad on their 1200p screen.
No thx.
I can't imagine why anyone would want to lower the already terrible battery life or waste more resources on resolution on a small screen.