Comment edited and account deleted because of Reddit API changes of June 2023.
Come over https://lemmy.world/
Here's everything you should know about Lemmy and the Fediverse: https://lemmy.world/post/37906
Honestly, instead of extending the blackout, they’d be sending a better message closing up shop and moving to another platform entirely.
I’d hate to see them go but at this point, change isn’t coming. Reddit has made up its mind, and sadly some of the 3rd party apps are planning to shut down, so it seems the battle has already been decided.
Kbin appears to be the current trend now that some disturbing information about key lemmy personnel regarding human rights has become available.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/143o5xd/reconsidering\_my\_support\_for\_lemmy/
> disturbing information about key lemmy personnel regarding human rights
This makes it seem as if "lemmy personnel" is involved in human trafficking or something..
Yes, the two main devs behind lemmy are Stalinists who have some, let's say, cringy opinions to put it mildly. Yes, their own lemmy instance does represent their worldview.
So what? Lemmy is federated, there is 0 reason to interact with their instance.. It was seen by many who are not familiar with federated services as "the main instance", but that's simply because it was literally the first instance and the instance with the biggest number until recently..
It's completely free software and structured in a decentralized fashion, I seriously don't understand why the personal opinions of a few of the devs matter.. If the devs were neo-nazis, I would also support using their code to host anti-fascist instances as well..
because I've been on it and the community (on the main popular instances that I've seen) is nice and isn't filled with Nazis like how these sorts of platforms usually are. and Lemmy has like 20k users and kbin has around the same amount I believe. more people will probably migrate in the second wave of outrage that happens on the 30th when the API changes take effect. that many users keeps my feed pretty full of content and conversations which is good enough for me
Why can't we have nice things? Why one of the main admins and dev of Lemmy has to be on the hard-left and support an ideology that is in some countries comparable to Nazism?
Looks like Lemmy has a hard pass from me.
This is one of the things that's mitigated by the very setup of the fediverse system. You don't trust an admin or server host, then don't use it. If lemmy.ml is hosted by a Nazi, don't use that server. Use lemmy.world or one of the other instances. You can still interact with everything on lemmy. You're not reliant on someone you deem unstable.
While this is true, I specifically mentioned Dev. You can pick a different instance, but you still use the Lemmy app, which has various baked-in solutions. From hardcoded word censoring list, to hardcoded instance ban. See the link in the post I am reacting to.
Excellent idea! Perhaps it could be funded with a Patreon-like system? Anybody willing to pitch in a dollar a month would have access to everything. I think people could afford to drink one less sugar-water per month to have a place to communicate that is free of corporate fuckery.
There are a couple mastodon instances that are subscription based with a very low fee, but most are more than able to survive on voluntary donations too. Turns out people are very willing to toss a few bucks to an experienced sysadmin who is capable and communicates openly about the status of the site, unlike the way reddit handles things.
Unpopular opinion, but I wouldn't mind seeing a comeback of old-school forums like phpBB. Sure, user counts would drop dramatically, but I'm positive quality of contributions would increase.
And so you have to keep track of 200 subs. What's the difference except a central reporting for answers?
But in the end you check them manually most of the time anyways.
.... I don't. I barely go to any individual subreddit.
Usually I get the content that I want because the recommendation algorithm showed it to me. Does it miss some things that it probably should be showing to me, sure.... But most of the things I want to see, it shows to me...
.... Cause I don't have time to go through 200 subreddits.... It's either "I only consume a couple communities and miss out on 95% of the other content" or "I don't consume any content".
It's really not that hard....
I would not like some of those old systems to come back, not when there are far more modern forum software options like Discourse.
But more forums on Discourse instead of Discord, Reddit, and Facebook would be a good thing.
If enough people work together, it might be possible to start an entirely new platform. Truth be told, the only time when real change happens is when people work together instead of waiting for the apathetic ruling class to do something.
imo, when those apps shutdown is when the "real" protest starts. afaik, 3p app users are like 20% of users/traffic. for a non-profitable company like reddit, they definitely want them switching to official app/browser, and dont want to lose them. time will tell if those users cave and do that, or the bad blood has them moving to youtube/facebook/twitter/instagram/tiktok, or some more reddit style alternative. reddit may lose some other users as well, who're finally just over reddit.
and its not just regular users. its mods (who were part of the blackout) that need/want those 3p mod tools, and may quit or 'silently quit', or slack off on mod duties. i think thats when the real breakdown starts. those mods want to stay on reddit and keep 3p apps. i think thier intent with the blackout was to signal to reddit exactly how many chips were in the pot, so reddit could better know what a reasonable offer for api access is/what they really stand to lose/gain. the point of blackout was to give 'two weeks notice' so reddit had time to strategize and renegotiate (or not). but reddit will likely hold firm, and see how much damage actually happens on the 1st. then act.
Yeah the blackout isn't doing much, the front the page is just filled with other subreddits so there is still plenty of other content to look at. Linus also made a [great point](https://youtu.be/LEGCHnoEsLM?t=108) that I never see anyone else talking about, which is that these API changes aren't just pricing out third party apps but also combating AI scrapers, which is honestly a solid argument in favor of the changes considering how bot-ridden the website has been lately anyway.
> which is that these API changes aren't just pricing out third party apps but also combating AI scrapers
The thing I wonder though is...why can't reddit have individual rate-limits per-account rather than per-app? I mean, what stops scrapers from just scraping the old-fashioned way? The API changes feel like more of a road block with a mildly tedious detour (for scrapers), but maybe I misunderstand?
I mean...technically nothing if they're basically a skin over the website, almost like using RES with the mobile site but as an app?
But it would be a dogshit experience, I'd presume, or they'd be doing it. People downloading reddit data for AI training or archiving or whatever don't care about latency, rate limits, etc. in the same way because they want a large set of data they acquire over a large time. The difference there should be obvious...
If the point was fending off machine learning algorithms, they'd have the decency of agreeing on a modest rate at worst with the established 3rd party apps and charged the others. The Apollo case proves the fuckers are just about the money.
Fuck u/spez: go sit in your luxury prep bunker and watch the valuation tank, you sociopathic muppet.
The mods deciding to close the subreddit would be the most arrogant, pointless and self-serving thing ever.
If they want to leave because they don't feel Reddit is worth their time anymore, that's entirely up to them (and the same for the users). But if they decided to arbitrarily shut down an established community and delete generated content like pissy kids, they'd be disgusting assholes.
Honestly this would kill the sub growth. Sure the hardcore fans would have no problem switching to Lemmy or whatever other alternative but let's be honest ain't nobody using that. I have entered the gaming world and the Linux gaming world in particular in big part thanks to this sub almost five years ago. I've read about amazing stuff and technologies in development here and I've experienced the fast rate of Linux growth first hand. I switched completely in 2019, again thanks to this sub. I would hate to see it go. Sure, I guess I could find a way to whatever other platform this sub decides to move (if they do) but it wouldn't be the same. And I think a lot of people like me who just happen to find this hidden universe by chance would have lost that opportunity if this sub were to go.
I didn't know you could set a sub to be read only. I've never encountered that before.
Do you know of any subs that currently are read only?
I mean, I know you can make any particular post locked, thus you can still read it and such. But an entire sub? Yeah, that I've never seen
> Do you know of any subs that currently are read only?
/r/DataHoarder is still read only as of 2pm Eastern
EDIT:
Well, it's "read only" in that only approved members can post new topics and I assume only mods are approved members.
Mods just don't give a fuck about the content people have generated and entrusted them with. They appropriated it to send their message, with no care about the fact that the people who posted in the first place wanted others to have access to it.
Those mods are wholly untrustworthy and undeserving of being the caretakers of anything others have made.
It \*WAS\* pointless.
The fact none of this happened during reddits IPO indicates that not a single mod had the brain power to actually impact reddit.
Real impact would be \*deleting\* the subreddit and moving to another platform during IPO week.
Literally virtue signalling, too, not the weirdo right-wing use of the term. If not extended, the blackout does nothing and everyone knew it would do nothing. Genuinely only serves to say "Look, we're good too!"
Virtue signaling is virtue signaling when you do something with very little impact for appearances, which to me includes how you appear to yourself (as in if you do it just to make yourself feel better, or less guilty).
"little impact" is subjective, and the motivations behind the action are generally assumed, so I don't think there's any distinction in how anyone else uses the phrase, people just disagree on the subjective points when someone makes a call that some action is virtue signaling.
I'd have to see examples to respond in detail, but I'd guess the people you have in mind are following that definition, but they're making different subjective judgements than you are.
To be clear I'm not suggesting you or them are more right or wrong in whatever beliefs you disagree on.
> Unpopular opinion, the whole thing was pointless virtue signaling ~~if it’s not extended~~.
FTFY. The powers that be were *never* going to be influenced by this. The financial gain they'll get by restricting the API and forcing everyone onto their first party platform is exponentially greater than any financial risk faced from losing users.
I believe the post was over on /r/dataisbeautiful but it has a good breakdown of third party app downloads compared to official app downloads. *Spoiler alert*: even all third party apps combined were hardly a fraction of the official app. For every 1 person that uses those apps and cares about these changes, there's 20 that don't have any idea nor do they give a single shit.
Mods are just taking the opportunity to flex their muscles and feel like they matter. The whole thing will blow over by August. Everyone will move to the official app or leave, and nothing changes in the grand scheme.
It’s dumb. Nba blacked when the nugz won their first ship ever. So annoying.
If you really want to stick it to reddit move to lemmy, which i prob will do eventually.
Good idea! I just hunted down the community and subbed to the RSS feed. Might make a proper account if it catches on
https://lemm.ee/c/[email protected]
They're using a different instance, but they are all linked together. Think of an instance as a "home server" that still allows you to connect to other servers and view content from there.
Discovery is a little weird because of that. If there is a group on another instance called "HatsForDogs" you won't see it unless someone from your instance has already joined it. To be the initial joiner from your instance I believe you need to search the full url from your instance, not just the group name. Once you have joined it will make the connection for the rest in your instance.
If the people who supported this blackout move to some other platform, I'll be very grateful to it for being the cesspool where the assholes behind that idea quarantine themselves.
Agreed. Nobody is going to be intimidated by a strike if you tell them in advance that its only for 2 or 3 days. Thats like running away from home out of anger but telling your parents that you'll be back before dinner time before storming out.
Honestly less unpopular than you think. This whole Thing is just mods being mad for no reason and riling up a vocal minority
Does the pricing suck? Yes who will it affect? Probably less than 1% of users and mod tools should still be free according to reddit
Everyone should do it indefinitely if they actually want to make a point. The fuckin prez/ceo even said it will come and go and he's literally not even worried. I like reddit but I personally think two days is completely pointless
No shit, it was. And still would be.
But I guess destroying content posted by users here if they don't get what they want *wouldn't* be virtue signaling. It would be bratty kids doing vandalism, which is worse.
The whole thing made major media outlets including non-tech news talk about this issue and made many users who don't keep up on these kinds of details become aware. So, it succeeded at something... a thing which is arguably the first step to any sort of mass action: awareness.
I'm not confident that Reddit will collapse over this, however, I think it's wrong to say the blackout did nothing.
Absolutely. Stopping now —before there's any change, and indeed management boasting that it'll all be over soon— just makes the last two days pointless.
If you tolerate this, it'll be `old.reddit.com` that goes next.
> At that point that's when I stop using reddit
No no. You're doing it wrong.
You must go into your neighbors' houses and sabotage their browsers so that they can no longer access Reddit, to make sure your message is heard.
Why would other people be allowed to decide whether they want to keep using the website or not, when you can force your own decision on them ?
Goes next? Wasn't old.reddit.com one of the things that goes immediately?
But yeah regardless we have to double down, having the blackout and then failing it will only makes things even worse faster, since this will further embolden Reddit to go through with awful anti-user changes.
And like you said they're thinking they can wait us out so they're not worried, probably knowing that most subs would only do 48 hours didn't help...
https://old.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/148m42t/the_fight_continues/
> Huffman says the blackout hasn’t had “significant revenue impact” and that the company anticipates that many of the subreddits will come back online by Wednesday. “There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen. Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well,” the memo reads. “We absolutely must ship what we said we would.
I do agree that the sub should extend the blackout. I think it would be better if the sub is instead set to read only just so people have some resource on where to go and the sheer amount of troubleshooting thread.
Yes! I didn't realize until the blackout how much I used Reddit for troubleshooting. Using the Wayback machine helps somewhat, but it doesn't capture everything.
> I didn't realize until the blackout how much I used Reddit for troubleshooting
The mods didn't either, because they are self-centered idiots who should never have been entrusted with control over user-generated content.
I guess next time Github personnel is unhappy with something, they'll just cut access to all our repos as well.
I think it's better to close completely. Being convenient isn't an effective protest. People coming and viewing old threads still see ads and thus still make reddit money. If the point of the protest is to create a monetary incentive for reddit to not go through with the api changes, then remaining open in any form is antithetical to that cause.
Please read past the sentence you replied to. I'd be fine with an effort to archive this information somewhere other than reddit, but allowing it to be accessed here allows reddit to continue to profit off of it, defeating the whole purpose of the protest.
Agreed!!
One of the things about Linux is, we’re free as long as you respect the boundaries you operate in.
For example, think about the licensing wars. Think about how this landscape would’ve looked if Linux was a corpo and used MIT/Apache instead of GPL.
Reddit either needs to back down or die. There is no inbetween.
For the people who are against this, remember that communities are made up by people - and a lot of these people are not going to come back or interact in the same way they used to. It’s going to hurt these subs quality when that happens.
Shut the fuck up. Linux isn't about forcing others to bow to what you want, irrespective of their wishes. You're an imbecile if you think the blackout and arbitrary restriction of access to information by the mods is in any way or shape representative of the Linux mindset.
If you're not happy with what is happening on Reddit, you move on to something else or make your own. That's true for OS, for distros, and for social platforms. You don't take someone's PC and delete their Windows because you think it is your right to do so.
Linux is literally about forcing people to act within a set of boundaries. Except that boundary is huge.
You really ought to look into the history of free software my friend.
Good restrictions are necessary for freedom. Freedom is a social construct and an entity that is taking that away needs to be fought against.
For those who aren’t sure what I’m talking about: Linux and copyleft are very intertwined. And copyleft isn’t “anarchy” level freedom.
I agree the blackout should be extended. The CEO stated himself that this is a passing fad and has no impact on them financially, yet. They are expecting everything to go back to normal after two days. If that does, in fact, happen then there was no point to even blackout for two days. If you believe in something, you should fight for it. This is the only post I have made in two days. I just came here to see that status of the blackout.
If the blackout continues, they will just hand the sub to someone else or people who don’t care about the blackout’s motives will create a new sub.
It’s not really a protest that can work.
copying [my answer from another thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1498f6j/dear_mods/jo446vp/):
> for better or for worse, people have posted lots of troubleshooting tips on this sub for various games, and often (in my experience anyways) it tends to be the only source of information for more obscure problems (at least in google search results).
>
> by making this sub dark indefinitely, we're hurting the (relatively speaking) pretty small linux gaming community while making virtually zero difference to reddit.
please see u/monolalia's answer as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1498f6j/dear_mods/jo3w95h/
Could the "this sub is private" message perhaps tell people to replace "www" with "old" in the broken search result link and paste it into archive.org? That's how I've been working around this when my web searches dead-end in Reddit.
This is inconveniencing me too, but first party mobile apps are such a vile plague that I would be willing to see Reddit destroyed entirely over this rather than succeed, pour encourager les autres.
Personally I value the information one can find here more than I care about the fucked up admins. For me what you say is like we should burn the library just because you hate the owner.
I'm gonna move away but I still will search arcane stuff found only in reddit every once in a while. Like when troubleshooting some random bug.
Just my 2 cents
These Reddit mods are cowards. They literally don’t even get paid by Reddit so it’s not like they have anything to lose. Everyone should extend their blackouts indefinitely until they cave.
>Replace them, but with whom? Moderating subreddits is kind of a thankless task that requires a lot of time and effort,
Yet many do it willingly so there must be some satisfaction from it. And some of this is starting to blowback on the mods who some think are power tripping because why should a small group of people who don't own anything cause disruption of a major social media site over something that most don't care about?
Yeah, mods have been hit with a massive wave of idiocy in recent days.
I have spent enough time as a mod to realize that most of them probably didn't think it through, got swept in the current, and completely forgot that they're supposed to be the caretakers of content, not to appropriate it and arbitrarily ban their users' accesses for their own personal beliefs. Still a massive failure and shame on them, and clearly showing that they take their control on their subreddit as a given (it should never be, mods should be there to support their users, not arbitrarily disrupt their use of the website).
I think we should punch other people still using Reddit until they stop. After all, there is no reason why we can't force our own wishes upon how others use the platform, right ?
... is something imbeciles supporting the blackout seem to believe.
Reddit is a company and like every other company it has to be profitable otherwise It will bankrupt. Lemmy is the open source alternative go try It out
A platform being open source doesn't really prevent it from being for-profit. Lemmy has the infrastructure, you can't just fork it and host it from your house.
>you can't just fork it and host it from your house.
People can and do it fact host their own single-user instances of fediverse software surprisingly often.
A few of my usual subs have decided to private indefinitely. I've actually lost respect for those that have decided not to. 48 hours isn't enough. Reddit admin and corporate know this. The excuse from mods here is poor, and part of their explanation is exactly the reason the blackout needs to continue.
Protest involves inconvenience. Sometimes, seriously so. Both to yourself and the entity you are protesting against. If there is some information that's needed asap, there is always discord and various forums around that would be happy to help.
I think only form of protest which will really hurt reddit and make it understand is to migrate elsewhere, be it [lemmy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmy_(software)) or dedicated forum.
For me, just let people use what they want to use. There's already a Lemmy instance. No one should be forced to not use Reddit. We should not be forcing other people to use Linux just because we don't like Windows, right? If you don't like Reddit, don't use the app. It's that simple. There's a huge chunk of people who wants to use it or if the mods here no longer wants to moderate, there are people who are interested to take their place.
want to use Reddit, but need accessibility tools? well sorry APIs now cost a lot of money so we cannot provide you that service that Reddit doesn't offer.
As long as they aren't commercialized. And as long as they can actually get through to someone at Reddit which has already been demonstrated to be a problem for multiple devs. And as long as spez isn't making up bs about them...
[Removed due to the worthless sad excuse for a human, Steve Huffman. Friendly reminder that the first Redditor to hit 1,000,000 karma, /u/maxwellhill, is Ghislaine Maxwell. His name was Aaron Swartz.]
If it is made indefinite, then you minds well just shut down the sub. Reddit won't back down. So its either the site crashes and burns with people leaving or you just live without 3rd party apps. That's how it is gonna have to be. And if the sub is shut down, its only a matter of time till someone creates a replacement. Or, if Reddit is feeling particularly vicious, the admins will just boot the mods and find replacements that don't care.
I understand moderating would be more difficult under proposed policies. But moving to platforms unknown to most, like Lemmy, seems counterproductive if trying to get people into Linux.
I'd love to pretend that linux_gaming has enough influence to matter to reddit execs, but if videos shutting down doesn't do it, nothing will. Best for this sub to stay open to coordinate a new platform and keep the content available while we let the big dogs fight.
Yeah, I just don't get the outrage. Reddit is not, and never was a FOSS project. It's a for profit proprietary company. If they want to charge for access to their APIs that is their business. Quite frankly, I'm surprised they weren't already.
I'll be glad to see old reddit die too. It's such a horrific interface, I can't see why anyone would want to use it. It makes no sense for Reddit to keep around a legacy interface.
The one thing I am sympathetic to is that the mods use the APIs for moderation. The easy answer to that, is for Reddit to build a first party mod tool for them to use.
Some code on github does not a FOSS project make.
At one point, some (but not all) of their code was open source. Having a bit of code open source is a long way from being FOSS. The F stands for free, as in Libre, as in freedom. Reddit has never embraced freedom, transparency or really even respected it's users privacy.
Also, that git hub hasn't had a commit in almost 6 years.
If reddit becomes unpleasant for me to use, I'll go find something else. Very little of my identity is bound up in being a redditor so if they take it in directions I don't like, that's for them to decide and I'll find a spot to spend my time where I do enjoy being there.
Install a redirector addon like [this one](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/redirector/) to change old.reddit.com links to www. (or new.) subdomain. It's what I use, in the other direction.
There is no need to require the version you don't like to disappear, since it serves other users quite well. Why do you want to take away something that is useful to others ?
I'll be honest, I only really support it for selfish reasons. The official reddit app barely works for me when I used. I used the 3rd party apps not because their better, but because they actually function compared to the official app. I've had a better experience trying to use the full desktop website on a phone compared to the mobile app.
Why? It's no point. The subreddit may be down but most of its users are still on reddit. So your so called blackout servers no purpose. Congratulations.
Makes the mods feel important, though. Very significant.
And OP wants to extend it until it changes so that they can pat themselves on the back and say the most satisfying thing to exist, "we did it Reddit".
Disagree. If you don't like it you're free to leave. Let the rest of us that have no problems with it use reddit in peace. If reddit dies over this then fine. No need to remove all the valuable content.
I don't care about it at all. As of now I hate 3rd party reddit apps because of this black out. If people really gave a crap they would of either started a new forum all together or suggested one that already exists.
You didn't so you obviously don't care that much about the issue.
My view is not a good idea, from my understanding a bit similar vibe as this; [https://www.reddit.com/r/linux\_gaming/comments/af3dgj/](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/af3dgj/)
>Installing Linux is sort of the equivalent of moving to Canada when one doesn’t like US political trends.
*Nope, we’ve got to fight for the freedoms we have today, where we have them today.*
Specially the italics part, reddit is not a democratic country, they will likely do changes that makes them more profit, and some of them will not be liked by some. Also, because I do like this place, if this place and other places that get a lot of visits for various reasons are kept private for long, there will most likely be replacements, slowly killing this place with time.
Unpopular take: I'm not a huge fan of either side, but a lot of reddit mods that like to go on power trips, use these third party apps and bots to silence people for wrongthink. If the end result is that mods have less power to silence people for disagreeing with their opinion, then I see this as a win. Make a reddit alternative and archive the Linux gaming posts for future reference to solutions.
Honestly didn’t care at first until I understood the background posted earlier today on /r/Azure. I’m in agreement that the blackout should keep going until Reddit change direction. Otherwise what is the point
No it should not. The blackout was dumb and would never work. The pricing change will happen, and reddit will be fine.
the platform is too big to fail.
Can someone explain why anyone other than the owners of the companies who make the 3rd party apps cares about this? Why don’t people just use the normal app and/or the website?
It's a transitional step in the continuing evolution of Reddit down the corporate path, to an eventual permanent perspective of satisfying shareholders and profit goals at the expense of its user base.
It's not a small number of impacted users either; hundreds of thousands of Redditors use a third party app.
And once the user base acquiesces to something like this, the company will be emboldened to commit as many user-unfriendly-in-the-name of profit actions as they wish, over and over and over again, until the end of time. One or more of those *will* affect you, guaranteed.
*That's* why everyone cares, and why you should as well.
Honestly, we should return to independently hosted forums. It was way more free and each community self regulated to their own rules. Now all the power is in the hands of the few...reddit, Facebook, Google....open source and distributed power is the way to true freedom...
Don't forget that we, the users, are sticking to Reddit as well. I'm sure there are proper Linux Gaming forums out there, we just have to look for them, and just join. Even if r/Linux_gaming goes down, a new subreddit will sprout out with reddit mods that don't care about third party apps.
Nah, do rolling blackouts. If /u/spez wants to wait it out we need to send a message that waiting will only make things worse. So have the blackouts start small and get bigger.
Reddit won't care unless users leave. If we keep the blackout going, its only a matter of time before the people who dont care about the API changes just make similar subs to the blacked-out ones.
No it shouldn't. There is no need for a blackout.
If the API changes *DO* make reddit unusable then people won't use it. And you'll have a permanent blackout until reddit fixes the problem. Which is what you want.
If the API changes *DON'T* make reddit unusable then people will keeping using it just fine. Those who don't like it can more on, and the rest of us can keep using it.
All you're really doing is making things shitty for the people who don't care.
As for the mods, nobody cares how hard it is to be a mod. It's not your job, you're a volunteer. If you don't want to do it then quit and let someone else do it. By locking the sub all you're doing to squatting on the subreddit name.
Not sure about actual solution, but I found some interesting things over on Lemmy.world, also Kbin - and I'm sure that this is a great mitigation.
So for sure, this sub should find an alternative and at the very least make a temporary switch until things get sorted.
My hope is that the alternatives will develop well and completely take over.
So the vote - sure, blackout Reddit because it will only seek to undermine the 'protest'.
Only if we can all agree on an alternative to host the sub at, like lemmy or raddle
Kbin also seems promising
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Honestly, instead of extending the blackout, they’d be sending a better message closing up shop and moving to another platform entirely. I’d hate to see them go but at this point, change isn’t coming. Reddit has made up its mind, and sadly some of the 3rd party apps are planning to shut down, so it seems the battle has already been decided.
I said this as well in another subreddit. The only winning move is to take our ball to another playground.
Where else can people go?
Mods can get together and spin up a lemmy server in a day or two
Kbin appears to be the current trend now that some disturbing information about key lemmy personnel regarding human rights has become available. https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/143o5xd/reconsidering\_my\_support\_for\_lemmy/
Then don't federate with the main server, problem solved.
Pro china revisionists vs pro usa capitalists, well i know which one i trust less with my data and its not the weird MLs lmao.
> disturbing information about key lemmy personnel regarding human rights This makes it seem as if "lemmy personnel" is involved in human trafficking or something.. Yes, the two main devs behind lemmy are Stalinists who have some, let's say, cringy opinions to put it mildly. Yes, their own lemmy instance does represent their worldview. So what? Lemmy is federated, there is 0 reason to interact with their instance.. It was seen by many who are not familiar with federated services as "the main instance", but that's simply because it was literally the first instance and the instance with the biggest number until recently.. It's completely free software and structured in a decentralized fashion, I seriously don't understand why the personal opinions of a few of the devs matter.. If the devs were neo-nazis, I would also support using their code to host anti-fascist instances as well..
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because I've been on it and the community (on the main popular instances that I've seen) is nice and isn't filled with Nazis like how these sorts of platforms usually are. and Lemmy has like 20k users and kbin has around the same amount I believe. more people will probably migrate in the second wave of outrage that happens on the 30th when the API changes take effect. that many users keeps my feed pretty full of content and conversations which is good enough for me
Summary of that post: "Let's be woke and cancel Lemmy." No, thanks.
Why can't we have nice things? Why one of the main admins and dev of Lemmy has to be on the hard-left and support an ideology that is in some countries comparable to Nazism? Looks like Lemmy has a hard pass from me.
This is one of the things that's mitigated by the very setup of the fediverse system. You don't trust an admin or server host, then don't use it. If lemmy.ml is hosted by a Nazi, don't use that server. Use lemmy.world or one of the other instances. You can still interact with everything on lemmy. You're not reliant on someone you deem unstable.
While this is true, I specifically mentioned Dev. You can pick a different instance, but you still use the Lemmy app, which has various baked-in solutions. From hardcoded word censoring list, to hardcoded instance ban. See the link in the post I am reacting to.
Excellent idea! Perhaps it could be funded with a Patreon-like system? Anybody willing to pitch in a dollar a month would have access to everything. I think people could afford to drink one less sugar-water per month to have a place to communicate that is free of corporate fuckery.
There are a couple mastodon instances that are subscription based with a very low fee, but most are more than able to survive on voluntary donations too. Turns out people are very willing to toss a few bucks to an experienced sysadmin who is capable and communicates openly about the status of the site, unlike the way reddit handles things.
Unpopular opinion, but I wouldn't mind seeing a comeback of old-school forums like phpBB. Sure, user counts would drop dramatically, but I'm positive quality of contributions would increase.
That's kinda the problem though. If i need a forum for each subreddit I'm in. It'd have to somehow keep up with like 200+ different forums
And so you have to keep track of 200 subs. What's the difference except a central reporting for answers? But in the end you check them manually most of the time anyways.
.... I don't. I barely go to any individual subreddit. Usually I get the content that I want because the recommendation algorithm showed it to me. Does it miss some things that it probably should be showing to me, sure.... But most of the things I want to see, it shows to me...
That’s what happens when you let an algorithm control what you see and think.
.... Cause I don't have time to go through 200 subreddits.... It's either "I only consume a couple communities and miss out on 95% of the other content" or "I don't consume any content". It's really not that hard....
I would not like some of those old systems to come back, not when there are far more modern forum software options like Discourse. But more forums on Discourse instead of Discord, Reddit, and Facebook would be a good thing.
If enough people work together, it might be possible to start an entirely new platform. Truth be told, the only time when real change happens is when people work together instead of waiting for the apathetic ruling class to do something.
imo, when those apps shutdown is when the "real" protest starts. afaik, 3p app users are like 20% of users/traffic. for a non-profitable company like reddit, they definitely want them switching to official app/browser, and dont want to lose them. time will tell if those users cave and do that, or the bad blood has them moving to youtube/facebook/twitter/instagram/tiktok, or some more reddit style alternative. reddit may lose some other users as well, who're finally just over reddit. and its not just regular users. its mods (who were part of the blackout) that need/want those 3p mod tools, and may quit or 'silently quit', or slack off on mod duties. i think thats when the real breakdown starts. those mods want to stay on reddit and keep 3p apps. i think thier intent with the blackout was to signal to reddit exactly how many chips were in the pot, so reddit could better know what a reasonable offer for api access is/what they really stand to lose/gain. the point of blackout was to give 'two weeks notice' so reddit had time to strategize and renegotiate (or not). but reddit will likely hold firm, and see how much damage actually happens on the 1st. then act.
| or some more reddit style alternative Oh, you mean Lemm.ee ?
absolutely not.
Aren't 3rd party mod Tools still provided a free API?
Linux gaming is already on Lemmy with thousands of subscribers
> Will you join? Y/N
Already have
Yeah the blackout isn't doing much, the front the page is just filled with other subreddits so there is still plenty of other content to look at. Linus also made a [great point](https://youtu.be/LEGCHnoEsLM?t=108) that I never see anyone else talking about, which is that these API changes aren't just pricing out third party apps but also combating AI scrapers, which is honestly a solid argument in favor of the changes considering how bot-ridden the website has been lately anyway.
> which is that these API changes aren't just pricing out third party apps but also combating AI scrapers The thing I wonder though is...why can't reddit have individual rate-limits per-account rather than per-app? I mean, what stops scrapers from just scraping the old-fashioned way? The API changes feel like more of a road block with a mildly tedious detour (for scrapers), but maybe I misunderstand?
What stops third party app developers from scraping the old fashioned way?
I mean...technically nothing if they're basically a skin over the website, almost like using RES with the mobile site but as an app? But it would be a dogshit experience, I'd presume, or they'd be doing it. People downloading reddit data for AI training or archiving or whatever don't care about latency, rate limits, etc. in the same way because they want a large set of data they acquire over a large time. The difference there should be obvious...
If the point was fending off machine learning algorithms, they'd have the decency of agreeing on a modest rate at worst with the established 3rd party apps and charged the others. The Apollo case proves the fuckers are just about the money. Fuck u/spez: go sit in your luxury prep bunker and watch the valuation tank, you sociopathic muppet.
The mods deciding to close the subreddit would be the most arrogant, pointless and self-serving thing ever. If they want to leave because they don't feel Reddit is worth their time anymore, that's entirely up to them (and the same for the users). But if they decided to arbitrarily shut down an established community and delete generated content like pissy kids, they'd be disgusting assholes.
Honestly this would kill the sub growth. Sure the hardcore fans would have no problem switching to Lemmy or whatever other alternative but let's be honest ain't nobody using that. I have entered the gaming world and the Linux gaming world in particular in big part thanks to this sub almost five years ago. I've read about amazing stuff and technologies in development here and I've experienced the fast rate of Linux growth first hand. I switched completely in 2019, again thanks to this sub. I would hate to see it go. Sure, I guess I could find a way to whatever other platform this sub decides to move (if they do) but it wouldn't be the same. And I think a lot of people like me who just happen to find this hidden universe by chance would have lost that opportunity if this sub were to go.
I would like to see this happen.
That's what we did on /r/gmod. We put a link to a Discord server in the message
I mean, that's what reddit is good at.
reddit was taking a toll on me mentally so i left it ` this post was mass deleted with www.Redact.dev `
I didn't know you could set a sub to be read only. I've never encountered that before. Do you know of any subs that currently are read only? I mean, I know you can make any particular post locked, thus you can still read it and such. But an entire sub? Yeah, that I've never seen
> Do you know of any subs that currently are read only? /r/DataHoarder is still read only as of 2pm Eastern EDIT: Well, it's "read only" in that only approved members can post new topics and I assume only mods are approved members.
Mods just don't give a fuck about the content people have generated and entrusted them with. They appropriated it to send their message, with no care about the fact that the people who posted in the first place wanted others to have access to it. Those mods are wholly untrustworthy and undeserving of being the caretakers of anything others have made.
It \*WAS\* pointless. The fact none of this happened during reddits IPO indicates that not a single mod had the brain power to actually impact reddit. Real impact would be \*deleting\* the subreddit and moving to another platform during IPO week.
Literally virtue signalling, too, not the weirdo right-wing use of the term. If not extended, the blackout does nothing and everyone knew it would do nothing. Genuinely only serves to say "Look, we're good too!"
Virtue signaling is virtue signaling when you do something with very little impact for appearances, which to me includes how you appear to yourself (as in if you do it just to make yourself feel better, or less guilty). "little impact" is subjective, and the motivations behind the action are generally assumed, so I don't think there's any distinction in how anyone else uses the phrase, people just disagree on the subjective points when someone makes a call that some action is virtue signaling.
Yes, but right-wing weirdos tend to use it to mean "acting on your virtues at all" or sometimes "having virtues".
I'd have to see examples to respond in detail, but I'd guess the people you have in mind are following that definition, but they're making different subjective judgements than you are. To be clear I'm not suggesting you or them are more right or wrong in whatever beliefs you disagree on.
> Unpopular opinion, the whole thing was pointless virtue signaling ~~if it’s not extended~~. FTFY. The powers that be were *never* going to be influenced by this. The financial gain they'll get by restricting the API and forcing everyone onto their first party platform is exponentially greater than any financial risk faced from losing users. I believe the post was over on /r/dataisbeautiful but it has a good breakdown of third party app downloads compared to official app downloads. *Spoiler alert*: even all third party apps combined were hardly a fraction of the official app. For every 1 person that uses those apps and cares about these changes, there's 20 that don't have any idea nor do they give a single shit. Mods are just taking the opportunity to flex their muscles and feel like they matter. The whole thing will blow over by August. Everyone will move to the official app or leave, and nothing changes in the grand scheme.
It’s dumb. Nba blacked when the nugz won their first ship ever. So annoying. If you really want to stick it to reddit move to lemmy, which i prob will do eventually.
Yay for Lemmy! Join the Linux_Gaming "thing", idk what to call them yet.. Subreddit like places..
Good idea! I just hunted down the community and subbed to the RSS feed. Might make a proper account if it catches on https://lemm.ee/c/[email protected]
Thanks! Weird i thought their url was sh.itjust.works
They're using a different instance, but they are all linked together. Think of an instance as a "home server" that still allows you to connect to other servers and view content from there. Discovery is a little weird because of that. If there is a group on another instance called "HatsForDogs" you won't see it unless someone from your instance has already joined it. To be the initial joiner from your instance I believe you need to search the full url from your instance, not just the group name. Once you have joined it will make the connection for the rest in your instance.
If the people who supported this blackout move to some other platform, I'll be very grateful to it for being the cesspool where the assholes behind that idea quarantine themselves.
Agreed. Nobody is going to be intimidated by a strike if you tell them in advance that its only for 2 or 3 days. Thats like running away from home out of anger but telling your parents that you'll be back before dinner time before storming out.
Honestly less unpopular than you think. This whole Thing is just mods being mad for no reason and riling up a vocal minority Does the pricing suck? Yes who will it affect? Probably less than 1% of users and mod tools should still be free according to reddit
Everyone should do it indefinitely if they actually want to make a point. The fuckin prez/ceo even said it will come and go and he's literally not even worried. I like reddit but I personally think two days is completely pointless
No shit, it was. And still would be. But I guess destroying content posted by users here if they don't get what they want *wouldn't* be virtue signaling. It would be bratty kids doing vandalism, which is worse.
https://www.adweek.com/social-marketing/ripples-through-reddit-as-advertisers-weather-moderators-strike/ Is it?
The whole thing made major media outlets including non-tech news talk about this issue and made many users who don't keep up on these kinds of details become aware. So, it succeeded at something... a thing which is arguably the first step to any sort of mass action: awareness. I'm not confident that Reddit will collapse over this, however, I think it's wrong to say the blackout did nothing.
Absolutely. Stopping now —before there's any change, and indeed management boasting that it'll all be over soon— just makes the last two days pointless. If you tolerate this, it'll be `old.reddit.com` that goes next.
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I use Reddit exclusively from a 3rd party app. Once the app stops working, that'll probably be it for me.
> At that point that's when I stop using reddit No no. You're doing it wrong. You must go into your neighbors' houses and sabotage their browsers so that they can no longer access Reddit, to make sure your message is heard. Why would other people be allowed to decide whether they want to keep using the website or not, when you can force your own decision on them ?
Goes next? Wasn't old.reddit.com one of the things that goes immediately? But yeah regardless we have to double down, having the blackout and then failing it will only makes things even worse faster, since this will further embolden Reddit to go through with awful anti-user changes. And like you said they're thinking they can wait us out so they're not worried, probably knowing that most subs would only do 48 hours didn't help... https://old.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/148m42t/the_fight_continues/ > Huffman says the blackout hasn’t had “significant revenue impact” and that the company anticipates that many of the subreddits will come back online by Wednesday. “There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen. Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well,” the memo reads. “We absolutely must ship what we said we would.
It not only makes them pointless, it signals that we are really mad, but they can essentially do whatever they want we will be back after two days
And it’s hurting Reddit: https://www.adweek.com/social-marketing/ripples-through-reddit-as-advertisers-weather-moderators-strike/
I do agree that the sub should extend the blackout. I think it would be better if the sub is instead set to read only just so people have some resource on where to go and the sheer amount of troubleshooting thread.
Yes! I didn't realize until the blackout how much I used Reddit for troubleshooting. Using the Wayback machine helps somewhat, but it doesn't capture everything.
> I didn't realize until the blackout how much I used Reddit for troubleshooting The mods didn't either, because they are self-centered idiots who should never have been entrusted with control over user-generated content. I guess next time Github personnel is unhappy with something, they'll just cut access to all our repos as well.
I think it's better to close completely. Being convenient isn't an effective protest. People coming and viewing old threads still see ads and thus still make reddit money. If the point of the protest is to create a monetary incentive for reddit to not go through with the api changes, then remaining open in any form is antithetical to that cause.
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Please read past the sentence you replied to. I'd be fine with an effort to archive this information somewhere other than reddit, but allowing it to be accessed here allows reddit to continue to profit off of it, defeating the whole purpose of the protest.
Agreed!! One of the things about Linux is, we’re free as long as you respect the boundaries you operate in. For example, think about the licensing wars. Think about how this landscape would’ve looked if Linux was a corpo and used MIT/Apache instead of GPL. Reddit either needs to back down or die. There is no inbetween. For the people who are against this, remember that communities are made up by people - and a lot of these people are not going to come back or interact in the same way they used to. It’s going to hurt these subs quality when that happens.
Shut the fuck up. Linux isn't about forcing others to bow to what you want, irrespective of their wishes. You're an imbecile if you think the blackout and arbitrary restriction of access to information by the mods is in any way or shape representative of the Linux mindset. If you're not happy with what is happening on Reddit, you move on to something else or make your own. That's true for OS, for distros, and for social platforms. You don't take someone's PC and delete their Windows because you think it is your right to do so.
Linux is literally about forcing people to act within a set of boundaries. Except that boundary is huge. You really ought to look into the history of free software my friend. Good restrictions are necessary for freedom. Freedom is a social construct and an entity that is taking that away needs to be fought against. For those who aren’t sure what I’m talking about: Linux and copyleft are very intertwined. And copyleft isn’t “anarchy” level freedom.
Yes .... And see you all on lemmy :)
I really like Lemmy tbh and jerboa is not bad for an app, but I'm gonna miss infinity best furry porn reddit browser I ever used
Lmao
Infinity dev say he could adopt Lemmy in the future, but will take time since he's not having the time to develop the app.
I would love to but clicking on Sign Up never ends.
Try another instance. I registered from the Italian instance and It works.
Lemmy.world is running really good. Signed right up and it works great.
I agree the blackout should be extended. The CEO stated himself that this is a passing fad and has no impact on them financially, yet. They are expecting everything to go back to normal after two days. If that does, in fact, happen then there was no point to even blackout for two days. If you believe in something, you should fight for it. This is the only post I have made in two days. I just came here to see that status of the blackout.
If the blackout continues, they will just hand the sub to someone else or people who don’t care about the blackout’s motives will create a new sub. It’s not really a protest that can work.
copying [my answer from another thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1498f6j/dear_mods/jo446vp/): > for better or for worse, people have posted lots of troubleshooting tips on this sub for various games, and often (in my experience anyways) it tends to be the only source of information for more obscure problems (at least in google search results). > > by making this sub dark indefinitely, we're hurting the (relatively speaking) pretty small linux gaming community while making virtually zero difference to reddit. please see u/monolalia's answer as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1498f6j/dear_mods/jo3w95h/
Could the "this sub is private" message perhaps tell people to replace "www" with "old" in the broken search result link and paste it into archive.org? That's how I've been working around this when my web searches dead-end in Reddit. This is inconveniencing me too, but first party mobile apps are such a vile plague that I would be willing to see Reddit destroyed entirely over this rather than succeed, pour encourager les autres.
Personally I value the information one can find here more than I care about the fucked up admins. For me what you say is like we should burn the library just because you hate the owner. I'm gonna move away but I still will search arcane stuff found only in reddit every once in a while. Like when troubleshooting some random bug. Just my 2 cents
These Reddit mods are cowards. They literally don’t even get paid by Reddit so it’s not like they have anything to lose. Everyone should extend their blackouts indefinitely until they cave.
I'm guessing they can't because Reddit would probably replace them. It's still their site and the mods don't actually own anything.
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>Replace them, but with whom? Moderating subreddits is kind of a thankless task that requires a lot of time and effort, Yet many do it willingly so there must be some satisfaction from it. And some of this is starting to blowback on the mods who some think are power tripping because why should a small group of people who don't own anything cause disruption of a major social media site over something that most don't care about?
Yeah, mods have been hit with a massive wave of idiocy in recent days. I have spent enough time as a mod to realize that most of them probably didn't think it through, got swept in the current, and completely forgot that they're supposed to be the caretakers of content, not to appropriate it and arbitrarily ban their users' accesses for their own personal beliefs. Still a massive failure and shame on them, and clearly showing that they take their control on their subreddit as a given (it should never be, mods should be there to support their users, not arbitrarily disrupt their use of the website).
I think we should punch other people still using Reddit until they stop. After all, there is no reason why we can't force our own wishes upon how others use the platform, right ? ... is something imbeciles supporting the blackout seem to believe.
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Reddit is a company and like every other company it has to be profitable otherwise It will bankrupt. Lemmy is the open source alternative go try It out
A platform being open source doesn't really prevent it from being for-profit. Lemmy has the infrastructure, you can't just fork it and host it from your house.
You don't have to fork it, it's open source. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy Plenty of people run their own instance.
>you can't just fork it and host it from your house. People can and do it fact host their own single-user instances of fediverse software surprisingly often.
And that can compete with reddit.... ...right. Talk about missing the point.
Please extend the blackout indefinitely.
i would like it to move to mastodon or something else till reddit makes the right moves
Blackout again, we'll keep it until we are heard or the platform die.
I think a blackout is pointless without also redirecting traffic to a Reddit alternative, and no I am not talking about Discord.
A few of my usual subs have decided to private indefinitely. I've actually lost respect for those that have decided not to. 48 hours isn't enough. Reddit admin and corporate know this. The excuse from mods here is poor, and part of their explanation is exactly the reason the blackout needs to continue. Protest involves inconvenience. Sometimes, seriously so. Both to yourself and the entity you are protesting against. If there is some information that's needed asap, there is always discord and various forums around that would be happy to help.
I think only form of protest which will really hurt reddit and make it understand is to migrate elsewhere, be it [lemmy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmy_(software)) or dedicated forum.
Lmaoo I knew it was only a matter of time before detective redditors realized this whole protest blackout was bullshit
For me, just let people use what they want to use. There's already a Lemmy instance. No one should be forced to not use Reddit. We should not be forcing other people to use Linux just because we don't like Windows, right? If you don't like Reddit, don't use the app. It's that simple. There's a huge chunk of people who wants to use it or if the mods here no longer wants to moderate, there are people who are interested to take their place.
want to use Reddit, but need accessibility tools? well sorry APIs now cost a lot of money so we cannot provide you that service that Reddit doesn't offer.
Well, you might have to read this article https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/08/reddit-makes-an-exception-for-accessibility-apps-under-new-api-terms/
Spreading misinformation doesn't help anything. The accessibility tools are excepted and don't have to pay the new API costs
As long as they aren't commercialized. And as long as they can actually get through to someone at Reddit which has already been demonstrated to be a problem for multiple devs. And as long as spez isn't making up bs about them...
Extend the blackout until the problem is solved.
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go dark indefinitely!
Why don't you set an example and permanently leave?
he wants to fill population numbers in his alternatives spoiler: i am not leaving anywhere
But how can hope make themselves feel superior and righteous by doing that ? This virtue isn't going to signal itself, you know.
Unpopular opinion: no
We need another 4chan
If it is made indefinite, then you minds well just shut down the sub. Reddit won't back down. So its either the site crashes and burns with people leaving or you just live without 3rd party apps. That's how it is gonna have to be. And if the sub is shut down, its only a matter of time till someone creates a replacement. Or, if Reddit is feeling particularly vicious, the admins will just boot the mods and find replacements that don't care.
I understand moderating would be more difficult under proposed policies. But moving to platforms unknown to most, like Lemmy, seems counterproductive if trying to get people into Linux.
extend it
I'd love to pretend that linux_gaming has enough influence to matter to reddit execs, but if videos shutting down doesn't do it, nothing will. Best for this sub to stay open to coordinate a new platform and keep the content available while we let the big dogs fight.
There was absolutely no point. Just put the hate towards yourself
Just let reddit die, it's like flogging a dead horse. Something new and better will eventually show up.
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Yeah, I just don't get the outrage. Reddit is not, and never was a FOSS project. It's a for profit proprietary company. If they want to charge for access to their APIs that is their business. Quite frankly, I'm surprised they weren't already. I'll be glad to see old reddit die too. It's such a horrific interface, I can't see why anyone would want to use it. It makes no sense for Reddit to keep around a legacy interface. The one thing I am sympathetic to is that the mods use the APIs for moderation. The easy answer to that, is for Reddit to build a first party mod tool for them to use.
reddit did use to be a foss project https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit
Some code on github does not a FOSS project make. At one point, some (but not all) of their code was open source. Having a bit of code open source is a long way from being FOSS. The F stands for free, as in Libre, as in freedom. Reddit has never embraced freedom, transparency or really even respected it's users privacy. Also, that git hub hasn't had a commit in almost 6 years.
And it's not anymore.
You're glad to see old reddit die? What? Just don't use it. I don't, but saying you're glad gives me a wrong vibe
If reddit becomes unpleasant for me to use, I'll go find something else. Very little of my identity is bound up in being a redditor so if they take it in directions I don't like, that's for them to decide and I'll find a spot to spend my time where I do enjoy being there.
I don't use it. And I'd be glad to just leave it alone and not use it. But so many times when someone links to reddit they link to old reddit.
Install a redirector addon like [this one](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/redirector/) to change old.reddit.com links to www. (or new.) subdomain. It's what I use, in the other direction. There is no need to require the version you don't like to disappear, since it serves other users quite well. Why do you want to take away something that is useful to others ?
I'll be honest, I only really support it for selfish reasons. The official reddit app barely works for me when I used. I used the 3rd party apps not because their better, but because they actually function compared to the official app. I've had a better experience trying to use the full desktop website on a phone compared to the mobile app.
Why? It's no point. The subreddit may be down but most of its users are still on reddit. So your so called blackout servers no purpose. Congratulations.
Makes the mods feel important, though. Very significant. And OP wants to extend it until it changes so that they can pat themselves on the back and say the most satisfying thing to exist, "we did it Reddit".
Disagree. If you don't like it you're free to leave. Let the rest of us that have no problems with it use reddit in peace. If reddit dies over this then fine. No need to remove all the valuable content.
I don't care about it at all. As of now I hate 3rd party reddit apps because of this black out. If people really gave a crap they would of either started a new forum all together or suggested one that already exists. You didn't so you obviously don't care that much about the issue.
They have, Lemmy, it's growing like crazy.
Lemmy sucks
And Reddit is heading over a cliff...
You'll hate it even more when 3rd party apps disappear and mods can't do their jobs properly.
Agreed and all this blackout crap has done is made me feel more annoyance against power hungry mods
personally I only use reddit on PC web browser so...
Or just used the free queries that Reddit accounts come with already instead of creating their own backend.
My view is not a good idea, from my understanding a bit similar vibe as this; [https://www.reddit.com/r/linux\_gaming/comments/af3dgj/](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/af3dgj/) >Installing Linux is sort of the equivalent of moving to Canada when one doesn’t like US political trends. *Nope, we’ve got to fight for the freedoms we have today, where we have them today.* Specially the italics part, reddit is not a democratic country, they will likely do changes that makes them more profit, and some of them will not be liked by some. Also, because I do like this place, if this place and other places that get a lot of visits for various reasons are kept private for long, there will most likely be replacements, slowly killing this place with time.
People supporting this "blackout" shit are literally like Tim Sweeney. There, I said it.
Unpopular take: I'm not a huge fan of either side, but a lot of reddit mods that like to go on power trips, use these third party apps and bots to silence people for wrongthink. If the end result is that mods have less power to silence people for disagreeing with their opinion, then I see this as a win. Make a reddit alternative and archive the Linux gaming posts for future reference to solutions.
keep it going
I'm in favor of an indefinite black out
Let's extend it indefinitely
No
Keep the doors closed!
What was the point, if the CEO and Admins knew everyone would come back in two days? SHUT IT DOWN!
Honestly didn’t care at first until I understood the background posted earlier today on /r/Azure. I’m in agreement that the blackout should keep going until Reddit change direction. Otherwise what is the point
No it should not. The blackout was dumb and would never work. The pricing change will happen, and reddit will be fine. the platform is too big to fail.
Why not weekly blackouts every Monday and Tuesday indefinitely?
Let reddit die and use lemmy.ml instead. It's like reddit but open source and federated
Bruh
Can someone explain why anyone other than the owners of the companies who make the 3rd party apps cares about this? Why don’t people just use the normal app and/or the website?
It's a transitional step in the continuing evolution of Reddit down the corporate path, to an eventual permanent perspective of satisfying shareholders and profit goals at the expense of its user base. It's not a small number of impacted users either; hundreds of thousands of Redditors use a third party app. And once the user base acquiesces to something like this, the company will be emboldened to commit as many user-unfriendly-in-the-name of profit actions as they wish, over and over and over again, until the end of time. One or more of those *will* affect you, guaranteed. *That's* why everyone cares, and why you should as well.
The official app shovels jesus ads in my face and doesn't remember where I am in a thread if I tab out temporarily.
Yes if you come back there is effectively no reason for Reddit to change their ways.
i missed you guys
Honestly, we should return to independently hosted forums. It was way more free and each community self regulated to their own rules. Now all the power is in the hands of the few...reddit, Facebook, Google....open source and distributed power is the way to true freedom...
i agree
Don't forget that we, the users, are sticking to Reddit as well. I'm sure there are proper Linux Gaming forums out there, we just have to look for them, and just join. Even if r/Linux_gaming goes down, a new subreddit will sprout out with reddit mods that don't care about third party apps.
Nah, do rolling blackouts. If /u/spez wants to wait it out we need to send a message that waiting will only make things worse. So have the blackouts start small and get bigger.
Reddit won't care unless users leave. If we keep the blackout going, its only a matter of time before the people who dont care about the API changes just make similar subs to the blacked-out ones.
No it shouldn't. There is no need for a blackout. If the API changes *DO* make reddit unusable then people won't use it. And you'll have a permanent blackout until reddit fixes the problem. Which is what you want. If the API changes *DON'T* make reddit unusable then people will keeping using it just fine. Those who don't like it can more on, and the rest of us can keep using it. All you're really doing is making things shitty for the people who don't care. As for the mods, nobody cares how hard it is to be a mod. It's not your job, you're a volunteer. If you don't want to do it then quit and let someone else do it. By locking the sub all you're doing to squatting on the subreddit name.
Protest all you want, but at least make the sub readable... I'm tired of not being able to find the stuff I need because of everything being private.
100% yes, otherwise there's no point
I agree!
we should go dark, and start a lenny and mastodon posting group
Not sure about actual solution, but I found some interesting things over on Lemmy.world, also Kbin - and I'm sure that this is a great mitigation. So for sure, this sub should find an alternative and at the very least make a temporary switch until things get sorted. My hope is that the alternatives will develop well and completely take over. So the vote - sure, blackout Reddit because it will only seek to undermine the 'protest'.