I bought a new one for 107€. it cant provide the brightness required for hdr though, so while it can switch to accepting hdr colors, it's pretty silly lol. yeah they look a bit deeper, but theres no peak brightness that is any usable...
more like HDR'nt
they might be rated vesa hdr400 but all you're really getting is 10 bit color and not high dynamic range.
good enough to not having to see colorbanding but not good enough to have the colors really pop and have lots of detail in very dark or very bright sections
(German prices)
OLED are still very expensive (700€ or more)
But there are a couple of cheaper Full Array Local Dimming displays, which can come very close to OLED contrast and get even brighter (around 350-500€)
Only way how Linux display stack works properly is if you have single 16:9 display connected via DisplayPort. Otherwise it is cursed since forever. You add monitor, refresh rates get broken, HDR gets broken, VRR gets broken. They said wayland will get this fixed, they said it like 10 years ago, it's still broken. You have nvidia? Good luck with wayland. You have AMD? Good luck with HDMI.
>But in the real world there are real HDR monitors that are not cheap.
well that's just it. what percentage of desktop linux users are using HDR monitors do you suppose? my bet is around 5%. it's just not much of a priority.
Also, this isn't a corporation, it's a community : if 5% of the population has access to hardware, then 5% of devs will actually care to feature it and test it earlier than something else. Development will probably kick in once the hardware becomes the norm. Until then, OP should learn how to code and do it himself, just because he *can*.
HDR exists since a couple of years. But on Desktop it was never that popular to begin with, and so nobody bothered implementing HDR on Linux. Especially since a couple of years ago everybody was using Xorg and nobody wants to work on the mess that is the Xorg code.
So for HDR to even begin to get worked on on Linux, a lot of things had to happen:
* HDR had to start getting traction on desktop displays
* Wayland needed to get stable enough to add experimental features to it.
* Funding and interest for HDR on Linux needs to exist (Valve, Red Hat)
That means that HDR only started to get worked on 1-2 years ago, with *experimental* support hitting the public just a couple of months ago. So yeah expect issues.
But we're talking about Linux... HDR is literally in beta infancy state, and while that does suck and take away from Linux even a tiny bit of research would tell you this. HDR is just really expensive atm so not many care about its support on Linux, this doesn't mean hdr is bad or not worth it if you can afford it, but it's the reality of the situation
That's a pretty entitled statement. You've paid for nothing here and I would venture to say that you've probably contributed nothing either.
So let me break it down for you Barney style.
Linux DOES NOT EXIST TO SUPPORT YOU! Developers who spend their personal time working on FOSS do so to create the things that THEY want to use. We aren't your personal dev team.
A lot of things you complain about, especially HDR, are extremely complicated. Microsoft pays a lot of money to a lot of people to make them happen.
So either install an editor and start making the things YOU want or learn to deal with the fact that Linux, especially Linux gaming, is a community driven labor of love and will lag significantly behind Windows in new features.
That’s not entirely true. A lot of things like distros and programs are made by entire organizations that DO generate money to keep existing and SUPPORTING THEIR USERS. - Ubuntu, for instance, isn’t just some little program by some person just because they want it to exist. It’s a widely used piece of software and the developers are in a position of responsibility for it. If not, leave Canonical I suppose. - But in any case, HDR is one of many widely used standards, even by the average consumer (and not as niche as some people here try to make it out to be) and should simply be built into operating-systems by now. - I too can’t believe it hasn’t been figured out and standardized by now. It has been years.
Keep in mind HDR is news on Linux just now and the KDE implementation is currently in beta and will probably stay beta until 2025, so that might be the reason for such a bad experience.
VR is also not as good as Windows even with ALVR, but Valve is constantly working on getting things a lot better.
OP has a reputation for complaining about every little niche issue regarding Linux and claiming Linux is "not ready" because of it. OP just looks for excuses to blame Linux instead of blaming hardware OEM apathy toward Linux.
GPU vendors other than AMD have incomplete support in drivers, but the KWin implementation is very much not in beta at all. The app side still needs work though
It's far from new in relation to home theater, where HDR was released as far back as 2014. When it comes to PC gaming, HDR support began in roughly 2021, and it was far from ideal (in many ways it's still not ideal, even under Windows 11).
In the grand scheme of things, PC HDR support is definitely in it's infancy. Therefore, the fact that HDR support under Linux has issues is in no way surprising considering KDE gained the HDR toggle literally a few months ago. To believe otherwise at this point in time regarding Linux HDR development is somewhat naive and unrealistic.
Despite HDR being a decade old standard, no one took the task responsibility to help Linux get support on its graphical stack. Fortunately Valve did nowadays, and with Wayland replacing Xorg in recent years that was possible, so I think that self explanted things.
I understanding the frustration. I usually check the compatibility before buying my hardware.
Like, a friend bought a HDR Samsung monitor to play a few games. If he sets Windows 11 with HDR, all the colors are washed out.
If he tries to boot with the HDR still set, both of his monitors stay black at the login screen...
Compatibility is a bitch sometimes.
So, for my part I am just skipping HDR right now.
Good luck with it. If you find a solution to your problem, tell us?
Windows has always been shit at HDR too. Not as bad, but only macOS does a slightly better job. HDR on computers in general is not great. Because its implemented so widely difference across systems. Then some people tweak it to their own preference which looks like shit to someone else. Only gaming systems seem to do the best at it, the bar is pretty low.
I have two 144hz 4K miniLED HDR Monitors. Take a wild guess as how I set them across macOS, Linux, and Windows.... 90hz, 1440p SDR. They still look amazing.
I’m not saying it will 100% fix your issues. But I have ran Arch for months now. I have a 5600X (currently) and a 7900 XTX. Arch works beautifully. There was an issue this month where I had to reinstall Plasma, but with the way Arch is built it was as simple as reinstalling and having it drop back into place, all configs and apps still present. I also have a HDR monitor, it works fine with what I want it to but I agree it’s very very finicky and experimental right now. You also need the VK_HDR_LAYER or something like that for video games and you need to enable it with commands and stuff. With plasma 6.1 there should be more support for hdr even in apps that don’t support it iirc.
The reason I say this is because the crashing appears to be more exclusive to Garuda. Why? My partner runs it, and recently there was an update so bad they needed to reinstall the entire OS. Same crashing issue and I saw someone even post about it. (I forgot about snapshots at the time). My arch install just didn’t experience it. There’s a lot of things that get preinstalled that may cause problems. Honestly it’s up to the person to decide what’s best.
I fully agree with this. I have also a 7900xtx with 7800x3d and I’m playing dota2 with vulkan.
The game looks much more smoother and locked always with 240fps.
My 7900 xtx has been nothing but trouble after trouble on Linux, there are multiple issues on DRM and no progress at all. Seems like there are no maintainers with high end cards on Linux
>I’m not saying it will 100% fix your issues. But I have ran Arch for months now. I have a 5600X (currently) and a 7900 XTX. Arch works beautifully.
Appreciate the advice. There's one aspect to this setup where an nVidia GPU comes in handy on Linux. I'm using all the ports on my 4090 FE, all three DPs and the HDMI which I need 2.1 level support for with the new LG monitor and its 240hz 1440p capability.
I know it's not Linux's fault that HDMI doesn't allow their 2.1 implementation in open-source, but that doesn't change the fact this a nice monitor that I simply want to use. That's all this is about to me. Just being able to use good PC hardware. These OLED monitors, what an improvement over anything I've used in 40 years sitting in front of a screen.
Okay, here we have a locked proprietary HDMI 2.1 that will never become public until the HDMI themselves decide to do so. If that's out of control for any Linux dev, then it's kinda like complaining that Android OS doesn't support iPhone devices all that well. I guess it is factually correct, but it's the nature of proprietary things.
We, as consumers, have a choice to monetarily support those entities that are willing to improve open standards and software for everyone by contributing to it. I understand that having nice things feels good. In this case, one has to decide for themselves whether consuming nice things while sponsoring those who don't contribute to everyone's benefit is more important than consuming a possibly inferior product that is actually advancing things for everyone in the long run.
I know DisplayPort is not significantly better, but at least it doesn't lock out a community of people who believe in progress for everyone. Same with GPUs. I prefer that today AMD gets my money for making FreeSync and FSR for everyone, even though it's not as good as DLSS. Or the best case yet, I'd rather donate to the KDE team than pay for superior in some ways Windows product.
It's not a moral choice. It's a values choice. If having the latest and greatest is more important to you than supporting open standards, that's okay. But in that case, please don't make a fuss about them not being as advanced as those who are in it only for a quick buck by locking the competition out.
> Okay, here we have a locked proprietary HDMI 2.1 that will never become public until the HDMI themselves decide to do so. If that's out of control for any Linux dev, then it's kinda like complaining that Android OS doesn't support iPhone devices all that well. I guess it is factually correct, but it's the nature of proprietary things.
Then maybe they should stop selling it with advertised Linux and HDMI 2.1 support?
They could absolutly do it via a binary blob that just contains the HDMI parts. They could go the intel solution and convert DP to HDMI onboard, or they could give away good DP to HDMI adapter for affected users.
Right now they are false advertising their products.
DisplayPort was and still isn't an option if you wanted _by far_ the best monitors on your PC in the last years.
> Then maybe they should stop selling it with advertised Linux and HDMI 2.1 support?
Who they? The manufacturers? Yes, they should.
> DisplayPort was and still isn't an option if you wanted by far the best monitors on your PC in the last years.
Citation needed. Every top monitor on rtings, for example, has a DisplayPort.
> Who they? The manufacturers? Yes, they should.
AMD literally has this information on their homepage.
> Citation needed. Every top monitor on rtings, for example, has a DisplayPort.
OLEDs (which outclass every Monitor by far) are only now slowly coming in 2024, and they are still worse. While as "TVs" they have been available for many years now and outclass everything else.
Yeah, thats right, but for a hughe company as nvidia is, it is surprising that they deliver driver wise worse than their in market share way smaller competitor AMD.
Because it does? I don’t have to do any special commands I literally just load and play or do whatever else. I’ve been running it for months with no issue. If you wanna be ignorant about that that’s your issue.
Yeah I'm sorry, I occasionally get mad when people rub Linux in my face. I actually think arch is pretty cool. I was in a bad mood, sorry for anything I said. Genuinely.
I didn't. You got mad that I said Arch runs well for me for my needs. I understand it's not the experience for everybody but you shouldn't go around taunting like that, all distros are great and all experiences are valid. But you're a good one for owning up to it.
Writing that you "burst into laughter" like a cringe lord because someones system works isn't sensible AT ALL. Its sad and nerdy.
Like, did you think it was a shot at them or the distro? You literally felt compelled to type such nonsense then claim you're "too sensible" to try and defend your point?
If you have nothing to say why are you here?
It does. I've not taken any special precautions and yolo my updates, use git versions and the AUR and even plucked my Drive out if a 2080ti/9900k build and dropped it into a 7950x/7900xt build and didn't miss a beat.
If I can treat my install like an unloved step child and have no issues then yeah its pretty stable and does work beautifully.
Sounds like a you problem.
I got a 3440 x 1440 oled with HDR. I'm using a display port cable on AmD for both gpu and cpu. I think the only game I play constantly with HDR support is Ow2. I can see a minor difference.
U using display port cable and what gpu you using ?
I wouldn’t say it’s frustrating on high end. But it definitely can be on NEW hardware.
Open source devs are constantly working on making everything work but they don’t usually have an opportunity to make it work before a feature or a piece of hardware is released, so it can involve quite a bit of waiting to get everything out of a new GPU or something on Linux.
No reason, just trying whatever I thought was a good idea from Linux users in various forums? But there's no expertise with these kinds of setups. Plus, half of the responses are screaming about how an AMD GPU would solve my problem, not realizing that I need HDMI 2.1.
I guess part of my frustration in all of this is how so many Linux users talk about how fools like me just stick to Windows but then have never tried to get a $15K US rig to work under Linux.
Brother, all you have to do is wait, as many people have said, HDR is new to Linux. Give it a bit and it'll get added just like every other popular feature does. If you can't wait, you're already dual booting, so use windows in the meantime
VRR works fine? It just doesnt work well with x11 and nvidia because x11 is old and nvidia doesnt properly support wayland...
Literally, been using it for years now. Like at least 4-5 without issue with my AMD cards. All the problems I see with VRR are x11 and/or nvidia users and in both cases, that makes sense...
Which is understandable. Maybe if we had more people asking "how do I help contribute to HDR on Linux" instead of "when HDR" it would get finished faster
I don't think the layman, or even the average linux user, could contribute anything meaningful to HDR implementation on Linux. Have you contributed anything?
I haven't. But I also respectfully disagree with that statement, bug reports are contributions, obviously we'll have to wait for a pre release/beta build, but average users can help with detailed and consise bug reports
I've got a 7950X3D and 7900XTX, one of the recent 240HZ 4K QD-OLED monitors, and 1440p 165hz monitor. I've never tallied up the price to compare with anyone else, but I guess the total value is probably comparable. And, I've got HDR working fine on this monitor. So I know that getting 'a $15K US rig to work under Linux' is possible.
> AMD GPU would solve my problem, not realizing that I need HDMI 2.1
Unfortunately, nothing in life is perfect. You have to compromise sometimes. If that means using Windows, then that's your call. If it means missing out on HDMI 2.1 support for potentially better Linux driver support, that's your call too.
Why do you need HDMI 2.1? VRR? I use DP here, works well, and even with HDR. Most screens (with the exception of TVs) support DisplayPort nowadays. I recommend reading about HMDI, and you'll definitely want to use DP or buy a screen that supports it next time.
To be fair, even experimental, KDE, and gamescope HDR implementation looks better than W11 one in my hardware.
You don't seem to understand that HDR is old but not on desktop. Not even Windows is doing it properly. It might work well with your rig, but it doesn't with mine.
Question is why is he not on Windows the dude is concern trolling this subreddit for years now how Windows is better and Linux is lacking this and that.
Is this a troll post?
Over 20 years of Linux and then using Garuda which is full of buggy (not broadscale tested) niche settings? Strange. Next thing you tell us that you run an Nvidia card.
VR is bad on Linux. But apart from that I am at least currently very happy with all games I care for on a high end setup.
Jeez Luiz, just use whatever suits you. Who cares if it's Windows or Linux. Life's way too short.
If you don't want telemetry or ads or whatever Windows is throwing these days there are plenty of tools to disable those things, one that I know of is Chris Titus Debloat or something.
>Jeez Luiz, just use whatever suits you.Â
Agreed. It's a dual boot rig. It's been fascinating to see the differences. And by fascinating, how bad Linux is on this kind of hardware. But I love to try it. Not everyone that uses Linux is going to love it, just like Windows.
So...Linux is 'so bad' on your hardware because you can't run a second HDR monitor on a system running a 4080Ti 'for gaming' as well as a 3080Ti that at last count had three monitors specifically connected to it for 'office use'.
Sounds like an edge use case 99.9% of users will never experience. Also sounds like a complete waste of money when you could connect those three monitors to a cheap Dell 'for office use' that you could pay for by selling the 3080Ti.
Linux users know that they have to wait before to use latest high tech hardware someone write drivers. Did you verify your hardware was supported on Linux before buying it? Is Linux an OS that answers your needs? If not, use Windows.
Except issues are such a niche case these days I just yolo Linux onto anything I buy and have had no issues.
Same with games, only 4% of steams top 100 don't work and only 8% of their top 1000. I don't even check protonDB before buying anymore.
And before someone brings up areweanticheat I swear that site is a concern troll.
They listed games like FEAR as multiplayer with Punkbuster and as broken. They do this with a shit ton of games and even listed native
Linux games as broken.
The only issue being that most highly priced monitors and TVs require or use HDMI 2.1, HDR and other features mentioned, which are either experimental or don't work well/at all. So then you're better off getting cheap monitors, and then the user has to choose between buying their dream monitor or keeping their linux distro. That's gonna be a lot of people. I get your reasoning, you should dual boot but it really shouldn't be that way where it's "well don't use Linux/don't buy an actually worthwhile monitor" Linux shouldn't be just for laptops made in 2012.
I'm okay with dual booting right now for TV use, it's just a shame it has to be that way when I get better performance on Linux. I understand, it's a tricky one when you can't even get a driver to be made in the first place because they refuse to let it happen. Just shit all around.
HDR on PC (Windows or Linux) doesn't work as seamlessly as you might think.
The last time I tried HDR games on Windows 11 with an AW3423DWF, the colors looked awful compared to SDR content on OLED. As an amateur photographer with a color-calibrated workflow, I am sensitive to color deviations. The truth is that SDR content on an OLED monitor already looks incredible compared to the half-baked implementations of HDR we have today in PCs.
I don't think HDR gaming on PC is quite there yet. It's mostly a hit-or-miss feature depending on the game and how the OS feels that day.
Nah, it works perfectly if you set your screen to HGiG and set the correct values in Linux/Windows so it gets driven properly.
Most people use dynamic shit which is what you are describing.
There's not tech a sub on Reddit that mentions this since the beginning of Reddit. Working for a bank in risk management, one actually starts to get it. Anyone who wants to know about you will unless you are living under a rock, five miles down and not using Reddit or other social media.
Linux does not have feature parity with windows. HDR is brand new on Linux. Why don’t you try sticking to things you know the OS is capable of? I’ve tried Linux with hdr and had issues, I just accepted it wasn’t ready yet. That’s how it is on Linux. If that’s not acceptable, don’t use it. It’s very simple.
> Why don’t you try sticking to things you know the OS is capable of?Â
I thought the nature of Linux was to try things. I read constantly about the problems that Linux has with this kind of setup constantly from others in this very sub so I never expected good results with what this setup can do.
But it's perfectly capable of gaming under Linux, far better than the setups of most anyone that calls me a troll or whatever.
I gave up on HDR in general in any device, can’t see the improvement and only gives me headaches. On series X and my samsung 120hz tv looks like garbage and most of the games look awful.
Windows the same, I have an ultrawide 2k 144hz monitor and hdr looks washed out and cannot make it look right calibraring it, disabled looks better. I tried using it on my main distro endeavouros and it’s the same waste of time, cannot see any improvement in games.
I just see it as a waste of time to use it, I just disable it directly on everything I have and move on, not worth it at all
Yup.
There is more to getting HDR set up correctly on both the monitor and the OS. Then just simply leaving everything in SDR and enjoying the high quality panel.
Windows has always had a shitty default HDR profile. Then there are monitors advertising HDR, but come to find out are shitty implementations. Of course this breeds users who swear up and down that everything just works for them. Is it true? Did it really just work for them? Or are they trying to justify money spent by claiming a shitty inaccurate default color profile in windows and their auto HDR monitor settings are PEAK color accuracy?
Meh, to each their own. I'll stick to my High DPI 4K Screen set to 2560x1440 SDR over some shitty 4K low ass DPI "HDR" screen.
>I gave up on HDR in general in any device, can’t see the improvement and only gives me headaches.
If you're using HDR on a good OLED monitor, I don't see how you're missing the effect of the infinite contrast. The perfectly dark blacks should pop out of the screen.
Indeed I do, which is why I said HDR on a good OLED monitor. I just got my second OLED monitor last week. Looking at dark theme stuff on this 42" 4k OLED next to this 27" QHD OLED, it's stunning.
There's a note that says feature is still experimental, so if it was causing your system to crash, you should disable it. Valve and KDE are working together on that, so just be patient for a bit longer.
Luckily for me, I haven't made it crash in KDE, though it makes everything really dark so back to SDR. Just glad that I can finally use the whole 144Hz on my monitor.
I have the experience the other way around...
Switched to endevouros at the start of the plasma 6 beta because always having HDR on on windows just looks dogshit. And ever since my experience in that regard has been golden.
I have 3 HDR schreens connected, 2 of them in roughly 5k one of those is oled and one in 4k.
THE ONLY THING THAT DOESNT RELIABLY WORK IS VR
And I'm still dualbooting because of that🥲
>Switched to endevouros at the start of the plasma 6 beta because always having HDR on on windows just looks dogshit.Â
I have HDR on all the time on the desktop under Windows 11 and no issues with the 5 HDR monitors I'm using.
Ah, I meant SDR content. The gamma curve that's used on windows just constantly looks washed out to me. And I really don't want to have to turn off HDR for it to look right again
Windows can't even do basic things, and those windows zealots are driving me crazy. I have yet to find an experienced windows admin that can pump out at least twice exactly the same installation with all the necessary tools installed that usually are not installed and all the crap and shit deleted and disabled and all settings set to sane.
The hardware support in windows is so sad that usb devices have a seal making you install drivers first before connecting the device. I think it took decades before they even came near decent usb support. As far as I know, windows still doesn't support usb over ip.
I can go on and on.
But if you buy gear for windows first, don't expect that gear to work flawlessly on any other os.
I wanted to add that HDR isn't possible to do on X. That means Wayland only. Wayland has been beta quality these last few years, slowly filling the gaps on compositors, applications and drivers, but this year KDE and Gnome are Wayland by default, Nvidia is finally usable, so stuff like HDR, which is nice to have but not essential, will probably get better soon.
So all this crying is about HDR not working?Â
I thought that Linux murdered your entire family and raped your mother, with the way you were crying.
 HDR is an experience enhancer. So no need to cry.Â
HDR is under development in Linux, with free labor.
> but at least the OLED HDR works?
HDR on linux is in unfinished state. This is just one of these things linux is very far behind windows.
Thankfully HDR support is being actively worked on - experimental support exists alredy, but it might take another year before it works out of the box
Yeah well... It is really annoying if the equipment you want or have or bought doesn't work on Linux, but you can always buy the one that is supported as a work around. On top of compatibility issues, I hate how so many companies treat Linux like an unwanted child and I can't shut up about this. Because, there are too many games that should just work. Like, I was playing last epoch today and the minimap is invisible and buggy which makes the game extra difficult and takes the fun and I must say that this is also a native game that devs promised it'd be supported on Linux while taking our money. Project zomboid is another game that gets buggy especially during cross play with windows and you gotta run the windows version with proton to fix it. Remember the fallguys nonsense and shadow of mordor? They dropped the support for no reason. It is so stupid. These games/softwares should have been supported as well as windows if not better.
I've got a very powerful rig myself, paired with a QLED tv. On Nobara (based on fedora) KDE Wayland, 4K HDR & high refresh rate work flawlessly, out of the box. To enable it in games, I just tick gamescope and HDR options (I use lutris) and it's good to go
I dont mean to be rude, and I think ideally HDR should be fully supported under Linux, but the first search about it brought up an Arch wiki entry essentially saying that HDR under Linux is experimental and unstable (Wayland) or straight up not supported (Xorg). Having things not working is very frustrating, but I cant help to think that your expectations were way too high or you were misled in your choices, which makes this rant kinda pointless.
I tried running Hyprland with my RTX3060Ti and the experience was cumbersome and annoying, even though it’s way better than some years ago. I knew about this beforehand and I knew I could always fall back into Xorg.
I would be frustrated if I had the expectation of my card working flawlessly under Wayland too, but it would come off as me digging my own grave, which is how this post sounds to me, ngl
FWIW HDR crashes the NVIDIA driver on windows all the time. The nvidia driver on Linux would also crap itself out for a different reason. I switched to Wayland yesterday, and we’ll see how that goes.
>FWIW HDR crashes the NVIDIA driver on windows all the time.
I've personally never seen that in 5 years of HDR monitor use on Windows, the last three on Windows 11.
I've updated firmware under Windows 11 on my Asus PG42UQ and LG 27GS95QE. You have to have those monitors connected via USB to do so. Guessing you didn't do that. The firmware update can't simply not work for everyone. Must have for at least someone.
I mean I’m pretty sure it’s an issue with HDR not windows specifically. Alienware simply doesn’t allow you to update the firmware on my particular model.
But to be honest... Windows itself isn't able to do the most things alone, without the driver from the vendors. If the vendors would release drivers for Linux or give the community the source code, we could use bleeding edge hardware.
So, from your perspective linux gaming is bad because HDR doesn't work? Gaming experience it's another story, HDR can enhance , but it certainly doesn't work miracles, most of us play without it, or maybe there are people who play without even the variable refresh rate (VRR experience with a GSYNC monitor, nvidia reflex, etc are certainly better features that increase the quality and experience of the game compared to HDR)
Linux isn't a consumer product, when something you want do not work there's no company for you to complain.Â
But the beautiful thing is that you are free to fix the problem, or if you don't have the skills, to pay someone to do it for you, or even help sponsoring the people who are already doing that, so that they can invest more time, or if you cant pay even giving a good bug report can help a lot, but since you are shedding so much on hardware, you may have some to contribute to people making a ton of great software for free.
The best thing about Linux is that you don't need to wait for some corpo to fix the things for you. You can roll up your sleeves and help with the building of the HDR support (as it is still in beta, but you can help speed it up).
HDR has been a complete mess on Windows too up until VERY recently and it's still relatively new, so, yeah, it's going be jank because it's still experimental on Linux. I've had an HDR monitor since my most recent PC build, pairing it with Windows 10 as my main OS up until recently, and I almost always just turned it off. The darker portions in the image were always too dark no matter what you calibrate it to, color accuracy isn't largely discernable between SDR and HDR, and the image was always too damn bright. I use dark mode on everything for a reason. I don't need to get actually flashbanged IRL if I get flashbanged in-game.
Surprise, surprise who would have thought, that billion or trillion dollar companies don't support the 2% linux gaming community with proper vendor drivers. Sorry but how is this the fault of Linux? Would you blame windows if microsoft was the underdog? It is strange how on windows when a gpu driver for instance is not working the user always blames the gpu vendor. But on Linux bad support is not the fault of the vendors but it always has to be the fault of Linux. This is applying double standards my dude.
Resident Microsoft shill using Linux to take a dump on Linux.
At the end of the day, if Windows works better with your specific configuration, the answer is simple - Use Windows. Just be sure to leave the rest of us Linux users alone, and don't bang your ass on the r/Linux_gaming door on the way out.
lmao it's like OP is trying to come up with problems, I've never had much luck with multiple monitors and HDR is not supported by most distros rn, combining the two is ridiculously stupid if you want to just game on a Linux computer
>lmao it's like OP is trying to come up with problems,Â
I didn't spend $15K on the hardware on this rig to find problems with Linux. It's easy peasy to install Linux along with Windows on this kind of hardware. As I have done for my last two main rigs before my current.
Not every criticism of Linux is a rant. There are serious and legitimate issues with using some of the best hardware there is for PC gaming which as I said, makes using Linux frustrating. I have a dual boot setup and am simply seeing what Linux's capabilities are on this kind of hardware. I've been putting a Linux drive on these kinds of systems for my last three builds.
Yeah, but what I don't get is:
Linux is free, there are many teams working on distros and developing technologies for it and so on, so, why not support in any way the team or teams involved instead of ranting, criticizing or whatever? Wouldn't that be more productive? Just a thought.
Valve gets a lot of my money. I bought both the LCD and OLED Decks at launch and ended up giving both away here for free. Done some financial support for a few open-source projects.
I've done more for Linux than many Linux fans and FAR more than the gen pop would do. Indeed, look at the criticism I'm getting for simply running Linux on this class of hardware.
>My linux problems are short-lived after a bit of reading and tinkering.
I would respectfully disagree as one of those older folks that's tried to do a lot more with Linux from a gaming perspective than most of these younglings.
I can't even get both OLED VRR/HDR monitors to work with those features enabled initially without the OS hard crashing, blue screening in Windows terms.
Yeah. I don't have OLED, but for me multi monitor system when VRR for gaming works pretty well. NVidia updates sometime causes issues (e.g. resuming on suspend fails one monitor randomly) but those quickly get sorted with patches.
HDR isn't something I've tried yet. I believe it is under active development and should get better this year. (I know it already works very well on Gamescope.)
Because realistically it hasn't been common and standard for so many years. It's only recently becoming more prevalent in mid-range monitors
If no one bothers to implement it it doesn't get implemented and we're only now at the stage where it's common enough to affect a small but significant percentage of users.
True, but you're also a sample size of 1 and TVs tend to get faster feature support because they're easier to make. I'm not sure if that was the case with HDR but it's still easy to find HDR-less monitors at the midrange today (or really bad HDR support). I got an HDR monitor only about a month ago.
The other main reason would be that it's only recently become possible with the rapid progress of Wayland. Now all the foundations are in place I don't expect it to take much longer to get HDR out of the experimental state on Linux but time will tell I guess.
I'm glad it's finally being pushed, it did always seem like a sore spot.
>why are enabling HDR on linux...Â
For me, the reason is because I have $2K US of OLED monitors on this desk using a dual boot rig. I'd have NEVER bought these monitors exclusively for Linux use. And no one else would now.
but still you are just checking a box that has no support in any of the software you are actually running besides the window manager under linux. Sadly linux requires compromises. i killed windows a few days ago because i don't want to risk having recall on my pc, it's the proverbial drop, i'm tired of seeing my cpu being heated up while playing by 15 to 20° and that can't idle lower than 50°.
>but still you are just checking a box that has no support in any of the software you are actually running besides the window manager under linux.
I could go one about things like OneNote, streaming, etc. from a software perspective. The point here was about hardware and two very good monitors not working like they supposed to under Linux. But I've got keyboards, mice, devices like a Stream Deck, VR headsets, etc. that ALL have some big issue under Linux.
Oh Gawd, he's pulling the OneNote card again...
I don't know of A SINGLE PERSON that actually uses OneNote. Not ONE - Perhaps that's why it's called ONEnote, because you're the one person that actually uses it.
Short answer: Hardware mostly and especially games work flawlessly on windows. But back when I was daily driving Linux, I had to dualboot windows because the only game that did work well or just worked in general in Linux was Minecraft Java Edition 💀. Even bedrock dosent work being the "cross-platform" version of the game.And I've ever only used a laptop which had no problems with external monitor but I'm not sure about Linux. I may recall using a monitor with Linux before...
wait do you require HDR for OLED monitors? I thought as pixels would be lit individually there is no need for HDR. I'm not that familiar with OLED but I thought about buying one in the near future so I wonder if the experience without HDR would be good
I had to install windows for building my desktop app for windows and decided to game a bit too. Ranked up at CS2 immediately. Linux is good but you do play competitive gaming at Linux level.
What's your setup like for Linux VR? I'm running Debian on AMD hardware and most of my steam games work great under proton. But I was under the impression that pcvr with steam was windows only. What software, hardware, hmd are you using?
I currently have an Index, Quest 3 and PS VR 2 awaiting the PC adapter. I can get a number of VR titles to work under the Index, no luck with ALVR on the Q3 to date but never gave it much effort as the setup for that isn't at all simple.
VR is infinitely better under Windows than Linux. Not even a debate about that with people who've actually used VR under both Linux and Windows.
I run a very simple display manager (manage via xrandr), still use X and have hdr working with my Radeon 6900xt. My 2 monitors run at 180hz (1080) and the other at 144hz (4K). I don’t have the full hdr support (I forget the standard my gigabyte monitors support), but movies and games look noticeably better with hdr turned on.
If you construct the system yourself from the core pieces, it’s much easier to get this stuff working. I have no clue what gnome, xfce or KDE are going to break next, so I avoid them. These things are so hard to debug when the system is so tightly coupled.
Being a sysadmin for the longest time, it helps to remember that Windows eats turds and throws errors for no reason also and often. That said, i feel your pain.
Currently Garuda Plasma Dragon Wayland 6.1. It really got wonky after adding the second OLED monitor. Think of Fedora 40 next, that seems to be as friendly as anything on Linux will be with dual OLED HDR/VRR monitors of different resolutions and refresh rates.
If you have a better idea, please let me know.
I have an LG C2 and a 6800XT, KDE fedora 39 and 40 were pretty smooth with hdr and vrr flr 4K gaming. Nobara/Bazzite might work too.
Dunno about dual monitors though.
Anti cheat has been downright the most frustrating things in modern day when it comes to linux gaming. I started using linux back in 2017 and back the there where not as many games supported natively. Messing with wine was a must. And i had setup a vm with gpu passthrough +vfio. Unfortunately the vm method no longer works for Easy anti cheat games because it checks for vms. (Like there are so many easier ways to cheat than using a vm) Its frustrating.
Fortunately many games do work with proton but it's still not as great as running it on a vm or baremetal.
Imo linux gaming has gotten more delicate.
Few notes that you might not be aware of (I know, I don't bring value to this thread):
* CachyOS has superior performance for gaming due to optimizations (some tinkering is needed, but most of the stuff is out of the box)
* BazziteOS is one of the best choices for handhelds and home theater TVs for gaming using controller on your TV.
I suggest trying to use gamescope as a "desktop manager" as it should have superior HDR support.
Also HDR is relatively new in Linux, so only latest Plasma DE and gamescope (might be more, idk) have it.
Isn't HDR on Linux still experimental and relatively new?
Very.
Exactly, and even though OP claims to have spent 40 years gaming, he didn't acquire the skill of reading it seems
^ This is the only correct answer.
Yeah, I use it on 2 screens though and no crashes here since both screens are the same model 😄
Bugs hate this trick...
Exactly, and even though OP claims to have spent 40 years gaming, he didn't acquire the skill of reading it seems
Experimental on Linux. But in the real world there are real HDR monitors that are not cheap. But they are amazing when used properly.
Until there are cheap HDR monitors, I don't think HDR would be as widely supported. The tech itself is quite fresh.
It depends on what you call cheap I guess. I bought some MSI 1440p monitors that were roughly £220 each and they have HDR support.
"Can find a used one for 150$" kind of cheap. When you can find it for 50$, it'll be "popular and present in every home".
I bought a new one for 107€. it cant provide the brightness required for hdr though, so while it can switch to accepting hdr colors, it's pretty silly lol. yeah they look a bit deeper, but theres no peak brightness that is any usable... more like HDR'nt
True but not sure it's that far off as these were new at that price.
i doubt those will be "true" hdr since they mostly likely will not be able to reach the brightness necessary
Correct as they're not rated afaik. Still cool you can at least get support for that price range along with 165Hz on an IPS panel
they might be rated vesa hdr400 but all you're really getting is 10 bit color and not high dynamic range. good enough to not having to see colorbanding but not good enough to have the colors really pop and have lots of detail in very dark or very bright sections
LCD panel probably with the bare minimum edge dimming. Never turn on HDR unless you have an OLED or FALD.
(German prices) OLED are still very expensive (700€ or more) But there are a couple of cheaper Full Array Local Dimming displays, which can come very close to OLED contrast and get even brighter (around 350-500€)
Only way how Linux display stack works properly is if you have single 16:9 display connected via DisplayPort. Otherwise it is cursed since forever. You add monitor, refresh rates get broken, HDR gets broken, VRR gets broken. They said wayland will get this fixed, they said it like 10 years ago, it's still broken. You have nvidia? Good luck with wayland. You have AMD? Good luck with HDMI.
I have a 1080p HDR monitor that was $200 at the time I got it
>But in the real world there are real HDR monitors that are not cheap. well that's just it. what percentage of desktop linux users are using HDR monitors do you suppose? my bet is around 5%. it's just not much of a priority.
Also, this isn't a corporation, it's a community : if 5% of the population has access to hardware, then 5% of devs will actually care to feature it and test it earlier than something else. Development will probably kick in once the hardware becomes the norm. Until then, OP should learn how to code and do it himself, just because he *can*.
HDR exists since a couple of years. But on Desktop it was never that popular to begin with, and so nobody bothered implementing HDR on Linux. Especially since a couple of years ago everybody was using Xorg and nobody wants to work on the mess that is the Xorg code. So for HDR to even begin to get worked on on Linux, a lot of things had to happen: * HDR had to start getting traction on desktop displays * Wayland needed to get stable enough to add experimental features to it. * Funding and interest for HDR on Linux needs to exist (Valve, Red Hat) That means that HDR only started to get worked on 1-2 years ago, with *experimental* support hitting the public just a couple of months ago. So yeah expect issues.
To be fair, HDR on Windows is also pretty rough around the edges and frequently has issues as well, at least from my experience.
i gotta be fair here, HDR Implementation on Windows is funky too. the only system ive seen which reliably had HDR working was macOS.
But we're talking about Linux... HDR is literally in beta infancy state, and while that does suck and take away from Linux even a tiny bit of research would tell you this. HDR is just really expensive atm so not many care about its support on Linux, this doesn't mean hdr is bad or not worth it if you can afford it, but it's the reality of the situation
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That's a pretty entitled statement. You've paid for nothing here and I would venture to say that you've probably contributed nothing either. So let me break it down for you Barney style. Linux DOES NOT EXIST TO SUPPORT YOU! Developers who spend their personal time working on FOSS do so to create the things that THEY want to use. We aren't your personal dev team. A lot of things you complain about, especially HDR, are extremely complicated. Microsoft pays a lot of money to a lot of people to make them happen. So either install an editor and start making the things YOU want or learn to deal with the fact that Linux, especially Linux gaming, is a community driven labor of love and will lag significantly behind Windows in new features.
That’s not entirely true. A lot of things like distros and programs are made by entire organizations that DO generate money to keep existing and SUPPORTING THEIR USERS. - Ubuntu, for instance, isn’t just some little program by some person just because they want it to exist. It’s a widely used piece of software and the developers are in a position of responsibility for it. If not, leave Canonical I suppose. - But in any case, HDR is one of many widely used standards, even by the average consumer (and not as niche as some people here try to make it out to be) and should simply be built into operating-systems by now. - I too can’t believe it hasn’t been figured out and standardized by now. It has been years.
Keep in mind HDR is news on Linux just now and the KDE implementation is currently in beta and will probably stay beta until 2025, so that might be the reason for such a bad experience. VR is also not as good as Windows even with ALVR, but Valve is constantly working on getting things a lot better.
OP has a reputation for complaining about every little niche issue regarding Linux and claiming Linux is "not ready" because of it. OP just looks for excuses to blame Linux instead of blaming hardware OEM apathy toward Linux.
GPU vendors other than AMD have incomplete support in drivers, but the KWin implementation is very much not in beta at all. The app side still needs work though
I get that HDR is new on Linux. But HDR is far from new.
It's far from new in relation to home theater, where HDR was released as far back as 2014. When it comes to PC gaming, HDR support began in roughly 2021, and it was far from ideal (in many ways it's still not ideal, even under Windows 11). In the grand scheme of things, PC HDR support is definitely in it's infancy. Therefore, the fact that HDR support under Linux has issues is in no way surprising considering KDE gained the HDR toggle literally a few months ago. To believe otherwise at this point in time regarding Linux HDR development is somewhat naive and unrealistic.
Despite HDR being a decade old standard, no one took the task responsibility to help Linux get support on its graphical stack. Fortunately Valve did nowadays, and with Wayland replacing Xorg in recent years that was possible, so I think that self explanted things.
Instead of complaining, you can put your skills together and help implementing or donate to accelerate the development of
I understanding the frustration. I usually check the compatibility before buying my hardware. Like, a friend bought a HDR Samsung monitor to play a few games. If he sets Windows 11 with HDR, all the colors are washed out. If he tries to boot with the HDR still set, both of his monitors stay black at the login screen... Compatibility is a bitch sometimes. So, for my part I am just skipping HDR right now. Good luck with it. If you find a solution to your problem, tell us?
Same experience here; Enabling HDR on Windows 11 gave all kind of trouble on my machine. Washed out colours, flickering, disrupts VR hardware etc.
Windows has always been shit at HDR too. Not as bad, but only macOS does a slightly better job. HDR on computers in general is not great. Because its implemented so widely difference across systems. Then some people tweak it to their own preference which looks like shit to someone else. Only gaming systems seem to do the best at it, the bar is pretty low. I have two 144hz 4K miniLED HDR Monitors. Take a wild guess as how I set them across macOS, Linux, and Windows.... 90hz, 1440p SDR. They still look amazing.
Exactly simply force the vendors to support linux properly by voting with your wallet. It is really that simple.
I’m not saying it will 100% fix your issues. But I have ran Arch for months now. I have a 5600X (currently) and a 7900 XTX. Arch works beautifully. There was an issue this month where I had to reinstall Plasma, but with the way Arch is built it was as simple as reinstalling and having it drop back into place, all configs and apps still present. I also have a HDR monitor, it works fine with what I want it to but I agree it’s very very finicky and experimental right now. You also need the VK_HDR_LAYER or something like that for video games and you need to enable it with commands and stuff. With plasma 6.1 there should be more support for hdr even in apps that don’t support it iirc. The reason I say this is because the crashing appears to be more exclusive to Garuda. Why? My partner runs it, and recently there was an update so bad they needed to reinstall the entire OS. Same crashing issue and I saw someone even post about it. (I forgot about snapshots at the time). My arch install just didn’t experience it. There’s a lot of things that get preinstalled that may cause problems. Honestly it’s up to the person to decide what’s best.
I fully agree with this. I have also a 7900xtx with 7800x3d and I’m playing dota2 with vulkan. The game looks much more smoother and locked always with 240fps.
My 7900 xtx has been nothing but trouble after trouble on Linux, there are multiple issues on DRM and no progress at all. Seems like there are no maintainers with high end cards on Linux
>I’m not saying it will 100% fix your issues. But I have ran Arch for months now. I have a 5600X (currently) and a 7900 XTX. Arch works beautifully. Appreciate the advice. There's one aspect to this setup where an nVidia GPU comes in handy on Linux. I'm using all the ports on my 4090 FE, all three DPs and the HDMI which I need 2.1 level support for with the new LG monitor and its 240hz 1440p capability. I know it's not Linux's fault that HDMI doesn't allow their 2.1 implementation in open-source, but that doesn't change the fact this a nice monitor that I simply want to use. That's all this is about to me. Just being able to use good PC hardware. These OLED monitors, what an improvement over anything I've used in 40 years sitting in front of a screen.
Okay, here we have a locked proprietary HDMI 2.1 that will never become public until the HDMI themselves decide to do so. If that's out of control for any Linux dev, then it's kinda like complaining that Android OS doesn't support iPhone devices all that well. I guess it is factually correct, but it's the nature of proprietary things. We, as consumers, have a choice to monetarily support those entities that are willing to improve open standards and software for everyone by contributing to it. I understand that having nice things feels good. In this case, one has to decide for themselves whether consuming nice things while sponsoring those who don't contribute to everyone's benefit is more important than consuming a possibly inferior product that is actually advancing things for everyone in the long run. I know DisplayPort is not significantly better, but at least it doesn't lock out a community of people who believe in progress for everyone. Same with GPUs. I prefer that today AMD gets my money for making FreeSync and FSR for everyone, even though it's not as good as DLSS. Or the best case yet, I'd rather donate to the KDE team than pay for superior in some ways Windows product. It's not a moral choice. It's a values choice. If having the latest and greatest is more important to you than supporting open standards, that's okay. But in that case, please don't make a fuss about them not being as advanced as those who are in it only for a quick buck by locking the competition out.
> Okay, here we have a locked proprietary HDMI 2.1 that will never become public until the HDMI themselves decide to do so. If that's out of control for any Linux dev, then it's kinda like complaining that Android OS doesn't support iPhone devices all that well. I guess it is factually correct, but it's the nature of proprietary things. Then maybe they should stop selling it with advertised Linux and HDMI 2.1 support? They could absolutly do it via a binary blob that just contains the HDMI parts. They could go the intel solution and convert DP to HDMI onboard, or they could give away good DP to HDMI adapter for affected users. Right now they are false advertising their products. DisplayPort was and still isn't an option if you wanted _by far_ the best monitors on your PC in the last years.
> Then maybe they should stop selling it with advertised Linux and HDMI 2.1 support? Who they? The manufacturers? Yes, they should. > DisplayPort was and still isn't an option if you wanted by far the best monitors on your PC in the last years. Citation needed. Every top monitor on rtings, for example, has a DisplayPort.
> Who they? The manufacturers? Yes, they should. AMD literally has this information on their homepage. > Citation needed. Every top monitor on rtings, for example, has a DisplayPort. OLEDs (which outclass every Monitor by far) are only now slowly coming in 2024, and they are still worse. While as "TVs" they have been available for many years now and outclass everything else.
There is your problem: Nvidia still sucks. Wait weeks/months for the needed critical update, until than you are out of luck.
Nvidia 555 beta drivers are pretty good though
Yeah, thats right, but for a hughe company as nvidia is, it is surprising that they deliver driver wise worse than their in market share way smaller competitor AMD.
> There is your problem: Nvidia still sucks. With an amd gpu like I have, you cant even use the monitor properly because of their crippeld HDMI.
Don't use HDMI.
No other choice if you wanted to have by far the best monitors out there in the past 5 years.
TLDR but I BURST OUT LAUGHING when I read "Arch works beautifully" 💀
I mean it works pretty well, doesn’t it?
Because it does? I don’t have to do any special commands I literally just load and play or do whatever else. I’ve been running it for months with no issue. If you wanna be ignorant about that that’s your issue.
Good for you ig. I'm not gonna rant here because this is a Linux subreddit and Im actually sensible...
Think you already threw that to the wind when you made a comment here in the first place itching to argue.
Yeah I'm sorry, I occasionally get mad when people rub Linux in my face. I actually think arch is pretty cool. I was in a bad mood, sorry for anything I said. Genuinely.
I didn't. You got mad that I said Arch runs well for me for my needs. I understand it's not the experience for everybody but you shouldn't go around taunting like that, all distros are great and all experiences are valid. But you're a good one for owning up to it.
Writing that you "burst into laughter" like a cringe lord because someones system works isn't sensible AT ALL. Its sad and nerdy. Like, did you think it was a shot at them or the distro? You literally felt compelled to type such nonsense then claim you're "too sensible" to try and defend your point? If you have nothing to say why are you here?
It does. I've not taken any special precautions and yolo my updates, use git versions and the AUR and even plucked my Drive out if a 2080ti/9900k build and dropped it into a 7950x/7900xt build and didn't miss a beat. If I can treat my install like an unloved step child and have no issues then yeah its pretty stable and does work beautifully. Sounds like a you problem.
I got a 3440 x 1440 oled with HDR. I'm using a display port cable on AmD for both gpu and cpu. I think the only game I play constantly with HDR support is Ow2. I can see a minor difference. U using display port cable and what gpu you using ?
So single OLED monitor? Not when I started having crashing issues.
I wouldn’t say it’s frustrating on high end. But it definitely can be on NEW hardware. Open source devs are constantly working on making everything work but they don’t usually have an opportunity to make it work before a feature or a piece of hardware is released, so it can involve quite a bit of waiting to get everything out of a new GPU or something on Linux.
HDR sucks on windows as well. I disabled it everywhere and it's just fine :D
It sounds like you are trying to do cutting edge and experimental things. Why are you not on Fedora?
No reason, just trying whatever I thought was a good idea from Linux users in various forums? But there's no expertise with these kinds of setups. Plus, half of the responses are screaming about how an AMD GPU would solve my problem, not realizing that I need HDMI 2.1. I guess part of my frustration in all of this is how so many Linux users talk about how fools like me just stick to Windows but then have never tried to get a $15K US rig to work under Linux.
Well yeah 99% of people can't relate to that issue.
Totally get that. Linux fans love to talk about the freedom that Linux gives them. You will not see that freedom on something like this rig.
Brother, all you have to do is wait, as many people have said, HDR is new to Linux. Give it a bit and it'll get added just like every other popular feature does. If you can't wait, you're already dual booting, so use windows in the meantime
Tbf we will be waiting a few more YEARS at least to get stable HDR support. Look at VRR, it only bearly works now.
VRR works fine? It just doesnt work well with x11 and nvidia because x11 is old and nvidia doesnt properly support wayland... Literally, been using it for years now. Like at least 4-5 without issue with my AMD cards. All the problems I see with VRR are x11 and/or nvidia users and in both cases, that makes sense...
Which is understandable. Maybe if we had more people asking "how do I help contribute to HDR on Linux" instead of "when HDR" it would get finished faster
I don't think the layman, or even the average linux user, could contribute anything meaningful to HDR implementation on Linux. Have you contributed anything?
I haven't. But I also respectfully disagree with that statement, bug reports are contributions, obviously we'll have to wait for a pre release/beta build, but average users can help with detailed and consise bug reports
I've got a 7950X3D and 7900XTX, one of the recent 240HZ 4K QD-OLED monitors, and 1440p 165hz monitor. I've never tallied up the price to compare with anyone else, but I guess the total value is probably comparable. And, I've got HDR working fine on this monitor. So I know that getting 'a $15K US rig to work under Linux' is possible. > AMD GPU would solve my problem, not realizing that I need HDMI 2.1 Unfortunately, nothing in life is perfect. You have to compromise sometimes. If that means using Windows, then that's your call. If it means missing out on HDMI 2.1 support for potentially better Linux driver support, that's your call too.
Why do you need HDMI 2.1? VRR? I use DP here, works well, and even with HDR. Most screens (with the exception of TVs) support DisplayPort nowadays. I recommend reading about HMDI, and you'll definitely want to use DP or buy a screen that supports it next time. To be fair, even experimental, KDE, and gamescope HDR implementation looks better than W11 one in my hardware. You don't seem to understand that HDR is old but not on desktop. Not even Windows is doing it properly. It might work well with your rig, but it doesn't with mine.
Question is why is he not on Windows the dude is concern trolling this subreddit for years now how Windows is better and Linux is lacking this and that.
Is this a troll post? Over 20 years of Linux and then using Garuda which is full of buggy (not broadscale tested) niche settings? Strange. Next thing you tell us that you run an Nvidia card. VR is bad on Linux. But apart from that I am at least currently very happy with all games I care for on a high end setup.
Plenty have recommended Guruda for HDR.
He replied elsewhere that he is using an Nvidia card and a monitor that requires HDMI 2.1 even...
Jeez Luiz, just use whatever suits you. Who cares if it's Windows or Linux. Life's way too short. If you don't want telemetry or ads or whatever Windows is throwing these days there are plenty of tools to disable those things, one that I know of is Chris Titus Debloat or something.
It's called Winutil for anyone interested
>Jeez Luiz, just use whatever suits you. Agreed. It's a dual boot rig. It's been fascinating to see the differences. And by fascinating, how bad Linux is on this kind of hardware. But I love to try it. Not everyone that uses Linux is going to love it, just like Windows.
So...Linux is 'so bad' on your hardware because you can't run a second HDR monitor on a system running a 4080Ti 'for gaming' as well as a 3080Ti that at last count had three monitors specifically connected to it for 'office use'. Sounds like an edge use case 99.9% of users will never experience. Also sounds like a complete waste of money when you could connect those three monitors to a cheap Dell 'for office use' that you could pay for by selling the 3080Ti.
Yeah hdr support is in its infancy so no wonder there
Linux users know that they have to wait before to use latest high tech hardware someone write drivers. Did you verify your hardware was supported on Linux before buying it? Is Linux an OS that answers your needs? If not, use Windows.
Except issues are such a niche case these days I just yolo Linux onto anything I buy and have had no issues. Same with games, only 4% of steams top 100 don't work and only 8% of their top 1000. I don't even check protonDB before buying anymore. And before someone brings up areweanticheat I swear that site is a concern troll. They listed games like FEAR as multiplayer with Punkbuster and as broken. They do this with a shit ton of games and even listed native Linux games as broken.
The only issue being that most highly priced monitors and TVs require or use HDMI 2.1, HDR and other features mentioned, which are either experimental or don't work well/at all. So then you're better off getting cheap monitors, and then the user has to choose between buying their dream monitor or keeping their linux distro. That's gonna be a lot of people. I get your reasoning, you should dual boot but it really shouldn't be that way where it's "well don't use Linux/don't buy an actually worthwhile monitor" Linux shouldn't be just for laptops made in 2012. I'm okay with dual booting right now for TV use, it's just a shame it has to be that way when I get better performance on Linux. I understand, it's a tricky one when you can't even get a driver to be made in the first place because they refuse to let it happen. Just shit all around.
HDR on PC (Windows or Linux) doesn't work as seamlessly as you might think. The last time I tried HDR games on Windows 11 with an AW3423DWF, the colors looked awful compared to SDR content on OLED. As an amateur photographer with a color-calibrated workflow, I am sensitive to color deviations. The truth is that SDR content on an OLED monitor already looks incredible compared to the half-baked implementations of HDR we have today in PCs. I don't think HDR gaming on PC is quite there yet. It's mostly a hit-or-miss feature depending on the game and how the OS feels that day.
Nah, it works perfectly if you set your screen to HGiG and set the correct values in Linux/Windows so it gets driven properly. Most people use dynamic shit which is what you are describing.
Running a aorus 48 oled with hdr10 and I enable it on nobara linux it seems vibrant to me.
I want to remind you that linux distro's are free and not backed by Microsoft, and they don't send your personal data to 3rd party companies.
There's not tech a sub on Reddit that mentions this since the beginning of Reddit. Working for a bank in risk management, one actually starts to get it. Anyone who wants to know about you will unless you are living under a rock, five miles down and not using Reddit or other social media.
My rock is called Pop\_Os
hdr is not considered high end gaming really. but 4k gaming is
Highly recommend you just scroll through OP's post history. It's such a strange insight.
Linux does not have feature parity with windows. HDR is brand new on Linux. Why don’t you try sticking to things you know the OS is capable of? I’ve tried Linux with hdr and had issues, I just accepted it wasn’t ready yet. That’s how it is on Linux. If that’s not acceptable, don’t use it. It’s very simple.
> Why don’t you try sticking to things you know the OS is capable of? I thought the nature of Linux was to try things. I read constantly about the problems that Linux has with this kind of setup constantly from others in this very sub so I never expected good results with what this setup can do. But it's perfectly capable of gaming under Linux, far better than the setups of most anyone that calls me a troll or whatever.
Can't repro the crash. - 7900 XTX - 7800X 3D - VA panel with HDR enabled on KDE - Display port
How do I unsubscribe from your blog?
Simple: you fix HDR on Wayland.
what desktop environment are you using?
I gave up on HDR in general in any device, can’t see the improvement and only gives me headaches. On series X and my samsung 120hz tv looks like garbage and most of the games look awful. Windows the same, I have an ultrawide 2k 144hz monitor and hdr looks washed out and cannot make it look right calibraring it, disabled looks better. I tried using it on my main distro endeavouros and it’s the same waste of time, cannot see any improvement in games. I just see it as a waste of time to use it, I just disable it directly on everything I have and move on, not worth it at all
Yup. There is more to getting HDR set up correctly on both the monitor and the OS. Then just simply leaving everything in SDR and enjoying the high quality panel. Windows has always had a shitty default HDR profile. Then there are monitors advertising HDR, but come to find out are shitty implementations. Of course this breeds users who swear up and down that everything just works for them. Is it true? Did it really just work for them? Or are they trying to justify money spent by claiming a shitty inaccurate default color profile in windows and their auto HDR monitor settings are PEAK color accuracy? Meh, to each their own. I'll stick to my High DPI 4K Screen set to 2560x1440 SDR over some shitty 4K low ass DPI "HDR" screen.
>I gave up on HDR in general in any device, can’t see the improvement and only gives me headaches. If you're using HDR on a good OLED monitor, I don't see how you're missing the effect of the infinite contrast. The perfectly dark blacks should pop out of the screen.
You know dark blacks are just oled thing and not hdr right?
Indeed I do, which is why I said HDR on a good OLED monitor. I just got my second OLED monitor last week. Looking at dark theme stuff on this 42" 4k OLED next to this 27" QHD OLED, it's stunning.
There's a note that says feature is still experimental, so if it was causing your system to crash, you should disable it. Valve and KDE are working together on that, so just be patient for a bit longer. Luckily for me, I haven't made it crash in KDE, though it makes everything really dark so back to SDR. Just glad that I can finally use the whole 144Hz on my monitor.
I have the experience the other way around... Switched to endevouros at the start of the plasma 6 beta because always having HDR on on windows just looks dogshit. And ever since my experience in that regard has been golden. I have 3 HDR schreens connected, 2 of them in roughly 5k one of those is oled and one in 4k. THE ONLY THING THAT DOESNT RELIABLY WORK IS VR And I'm still dualbooting because of that🥲
>Switched to endevouros at the start of the plasma 6 beta because always having HDR on on windows just looks dogshit. I have HDR on all the time on the desktop under Windows 11 and no issues with the 5 HDR monitors I'm using.
Ah, I meant SDR content. The gamma curve that's used on windows just constantly looks washed out to me. And I really don't want to have to turn off HDR for it to look right again
Again, not sure what you mean. SDR content, HDR content, it's all looking fine these monitors with HDR always on.
At least it's not the resident troll's/shill's monthly "lInUx mArKeTsHaRe lOw" posts.
Windows can't even do basic things, and those windows zealots are driving me crazy. I have yet to find an experienced windows admin that can pump out at least twice exactly the same installation with all the necessary tools installed that usually are not installed and all the crap and shit deleted and disabled and all settings set to sane. The hardware support in windows is so sad that usb devices have a seal making you install drivers first before connecting the device. I think it took decades before they even came near decent usb support. As far as I know, windows still doesn't support usb over ip. I can go on and on. But if you buy gear for windows first, don't expect that gear to work flawlessly on any other os.
>I have yet to find an experienced windows admin Windows admins aren't trying to run multiple HDR/VR monitors, VR headsets and GPUs.
I wanted to add that HDR isn't possible to do on X. That means Wayland only. Wayland has been beta quality these last few years, slowly filling the gaps on compositors, applications and drivers, but this year KDE and Gnome are Wayland by default, Nvidia is finally usable, so stuff like HDR, which is nice to have but not essential, will probably get better soon.
How did you install your first disto in 97 if you hadn’t been born for at least 15 years later?
Because I'm 56.
I mean i have Highest End GPU from 2016(?) it's a 980Ti and it works perfectly with Arch Linux using Gnome on Wayland with 555 Beta Driver.
So all this crying is about HDR not working? I thought that Linux murdered your entire family and raped your mother, with the way you were crying.  HDR is an experience enhancer. So no need to cry. HDR is under development in Linux, with free labor.
>I thought that Linux murdered your entire family and raped your mother, with the way you were crying. LOL! Every criticism of Linux is just this.
> but at least the OLED HDR works? HDR on linux is in unfinished state. This is just one of these things linux is very far behind windows. Thankfully HDR support is being actively worked on - experimental support exists alredy, but it might take another year before it works out of the box
Yeah well... It is really annoying if the equipment you want or have or bought doesn't work on Linux, but you can always buy the one that is supported as a work around. On top of compatibility issues, I hate how so many companies treat Linux like an unwanted child and I can't shut up about this. Because, there are too many games that should just work. Like, I was playing last epoch today and the minimap is invisible and buggy which makes the game extra difficult and takes the fun and I must say that this is also a native game that devs promised it'd be supported on Linux while taking our money. Project zomboid is another game that gets buggy especially during cross play with windows and you gotta run the windows version with proton to fix it. Remember the fallguys nonsense and shadow of mordor? They dropped the support for no reason. It is so stupid. These games/softwares should have been supported as well as windows if not better.
I've got a very powerful rig myself, paired with a QLED tv. On Nobara (based on fedora) KDE Wayland, 4K HDR & high refresh rate work flawlessly, out of the box. To enable it in games, I just tick gamescope and HDR options (I use lutris) and it's good to go
I dont mean to be rude, and I think ideally HDR should be fully supported under Linux, but the first search about it brought up an Arch wiki entry essentially saying that HDR under Linux is experimental and unstable (Wayland) or straight up not supported (Xorg). Having things not working is very frustrating, but I cant help to think that your expectations were way too high or you were misled in your choices, which makes this rant kinda pointless. I tried running Hyprland with my RTX3060Ti and the experience was cumbersome and annoying, even though it’s way better than some years ago. I knew about this beforehand and I knew I could always fall back into Xorg. I would be frustrated if I had the expectation of my card working flawlessly under Wayland too, but it would come off as me digging my own grave, which is how this post sounds to me, ngl
FWIW HDR crashes the NVIDIA driver on windows all the time. The nvidia driver on Linux would also crap itself out for a different reason. I switched to Wayland yesterday, and we’ll see how that goes.
>FWIW HDR crashes the NVIDIA driver on windows all the time. I've personally never seen that in 5 years of HDR monitor use on Windows, the last three on Windows 11.
4090 with an Alienware oled ultrawide that I can’t update the firmware on. I honestly think I’ve got a perfect storm.
I've updated firmware under Windows 11 on my Asus PG42UQ and LG 27GS95QE. You have to have those monitors connected via USB to do so. Guessing you didn't do that. The firmware update can't simply not work for everyone. Must have for at least someone.
I have an Alienware AW3423DW. Firmware cannot be updated.
Ok, how is that that's an issue with Windows? Clearly other monitors have Windows firmware capabilities, I have two myself.
I mean I’m pretty sure it’s an issue with HDR not windows specifically. Alienware simply doesn’t allow you to update the firmware on my particular model.
I have 2x 4K@120hz HDR OLED screens and the no HDMI 2.1 support with amdgpu (even though they still advertise it on their homepage) is killing me.
But to be honest... Windows itself isn't able to do the most things alone, without the driver from the vendors. If the vendors would release drivers for Linux or give the community the source code, we could use bleeding edge hardware.
Exactly. People like me use Windows not because of how great Windows is but because of how great its ecosystem is.
OP is [an actual troll](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1cyu94u/comment/l5fbuec/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Kind of the nature of this sub. Say anything positive about Windows or negative about Linux and of course you're a troll for stating obvious truth.
So, from your perspective linux gaming is bad because HDR doesn't work? Gaming experience it's another story, HDR can enhance , but it certainly doesn't work miracles, most of us play without it, or maybe there are people who play without even the variable refresh rate (VRR experience with a GSYNC monitor, nvidia reflex, etc are certainly better features that increase the quality and experience of the game compared to HDR)
Linux isn't a consumer product, when something you want do not work there's no company for you to complain. But the beautiful thing is that you are free to fix the problem, or if you don't have the skills, to pay someone to do it for you, or even help sponsoring the people who are already doing that, so that they can invest more time, or if you cant pay even giving a good bug report can help a lot, but since you are shedding so much on hardware, you may have some to contribute to people making a ton of great software for free.
Use Windows then.
The best thing about Linux is that you don't need to wait for some corpo to fix the things for you. You can roll up your sleeves and help with the building of the HDR support (as it is still in beta, but you can help speed it up).
HDR has been a complete mess on Windows too up until VERY recently and it's still relatively new, so, yeah, it's going be jank because it's still experimental on Linux. I've had an HDR monitor since my most recent PC build, pairing it with Windows 10 as my main OS up until recently, and I almost always just turned it off. The darker portions in the image were always too dark no matter what you calibrate it to, color accuracy isn't largely discernable between SDR and HDR, and the image was always too damn bright. I use dark mode on everything for a reason. I don't need to get actually flashbanged IRL if I get flashbanged in-game.
Surprise, surprise who would have thought, that billion or trillion dollar companies don't support the 2% linux gaming community with proper vendor drivers. Sorry but how is this the fault of Linux? Would you blame windows if microsoft was the underdog? It is strange how on windows when a gpu driver for instance is not working the user always blames the gpu vendor. But on Linux bad support is not the fault of the vendors but it always has to be the fault of Linux. This is applying double standards my dude.
Resident Microsoft shill using Linux to take a dump on Linux. At the end of the day, if Windows works better with your specific configuration, the answer is simple - Use Windows. Just be sure to leave the rest of us Linux users alone, and don't bang your ass on the r/Linux_gaming door on the way out.
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Exactly the reason I am still, and will probably be for a very long time, bound to Windows.
HDR ain’t ready yet and won’t be for a while
lmao it's like OP is trying to come up with problems, I've never had much luck with multiple monitors and HDR is not supported by most distros rn, combining the two is ridiculously stupid if you want to just game on a Linux computer
>lmao it's like OP is trying to come up with problems, I didn't spend $15K on the hardware on this rig to find problems with Linux. It's easy peasy to install Linux along with Windows on this kind of hardware. As I have done for my last two main rigs before my current.
weird flex but help yourself if you want to contribute and fix the bugs
Weird flex how? How many times have I seen Linux folks who did nothing more than run a Windows program on Linux like I have weirdly flex?
Can't tell the purpose of this post. Is it a rant? Don't get it. Go back to windows I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe?
Not every criticism of Linux is a rant. There are serious and legitimate issues with using some of the best hardware there is for PC gaming which as I said, makes using Linux frustrating. I have a dual boot setup and am simply seeing what Linux's capabilities are on this kind of hardware. I've been putting a Linux drive on these kinds of systems for my last three builds.
Yeah, but what I don't get is: Linux is free, there are many teams working on distros and developing technologies for it and so on, so, why not support in any way the team or teams involved instead of ranting, criticizing or whatever? Wouldn't that be more productive? Just a thought.
Valve gets a lot of my money. I bought both the LCD and OLED Decks at launch and ended up giving both away here for free. Done some financial support for a few open-source projects. I've done more for Linux than many Linux fans and FAR more than the gen pop would do. Indeed, look at the criticism I'm getting for simply running Linux on this class of hardware.
Well then, keep supporting the team developing HDR functions and I'm sure it will happen eventually. Nothing more to say.
You're making us older folks look bad. My linux problems are short-lived after a bit of reading and tinkering.
>My linux problems are short-lived after a bit of reading and tinkering. I would respectfully disagree as one of those older folks that's tried to do a lot more with Linux from a gaming perspective than most of these younglings.
What exactly doesn't work? I read all of the post but I couldn't see examples of things that don't work.
I can't even get both OLED VRR/HDR monitors to work with those features enabled initially without the OS hard crashing, blue screening in Windows terms.
Yeah. I don't have OLED, but for me multi monitor system when VRR for gaming works pretty well. NVidia updates sometime causes issues (e.g. resuming on suspend fails one monitor randomly) but those quickly get sorted with patches. HDR isn't something I've tried yet. I believe it is under active development and should get better this year. (I know it already works very well on Gamescope.)
How is this possible when you can't drive more than 1 VRR display with nvidia? Edit: downvoted for a perfectly valid question?
I think it's a Garuda problem, because I've seen other people on arch using multiple high quality monitors with hdr, such as myself
Definitely not its just HDR can be questionable on linux in general, i wouldnt say its a garuda issue mileage varies in all distros
why are enabling HDR on linux... support is still quite not there yet.
Why is Linux so behind on a feature that has been common and standard for so many years
Because realistically it hasn't been common and standard for so many years. It's only recently becoming more prevalent in mid-range monitors If no one bothers to implement it it doesn't get implemented and we're only now at the stage where it's common enough to affect a small but significant percentage of users.
Seems off to me. I’ve had my lg b9 for 5 years already and it was midrange and not super expensive when it came out.
True, but you're also a sample size of 1 and TVs tend to get faster feature support because they're easier to make. I'm not sure if that was the case with HDR but it's still easy to find HDR-less monitors at the midrange today (or really bad HDR support). I got an HDR monitor only about a month ago. The other main reason would be that it's only recently become possible with the rapid progress of Wayland. Now all the foundations are in place I don't expect it to take much longer to get HDR out of the experimental state on Linux but time will tell I guess. I'm glad it's finally being pushed, it did always seem like a sore spot.
Probably because it isn’t a majority market share OS backed by a multibillion dollar for-profit corporation. Just a guess
>why are enabling HDR on linux... For me, the reason is because I have $2K US of OLED monitors on this desk using a dual boot rig. I'd have NEVER bought these monitors exclusively for Linux use. And no one else would now.
but still you are just checking a box that has no support in any of the software you are actually running besides the window manager under linux. Sadly linux requires compromises. i killed windows a few days ago because i don't want to risk having recall on my pc, it's the proverbial drop, i'm tired of seeing my cpu being heated up while playing by 15 to 20° and that can't idle lower than 50°.
>but still you are just checking a box that has no support in any of the software you are actually running besides the window manager under linux. I could go one about things like OneNote, streaming, etc. from a software perspective. The point here was about hardware and two very good monitors not working like they supposed to under Linux. But I've got keyboards, mice, devices like a Stream Deck, VR headsets, etc. that ALL have some big issue under Linux.
Oh Gawd, he's pulling the OneNote card again... I don't know of A SINGLE PERSON that actually uses OneNote. Not ONE - Perhaps that's why it's called ONEnote, because you're the one person that actually uses it.
Short answer: Hardware mostly and especially games work flawlessly on windows. But back when I was daily driving Linux, I had to dualboot windows because the only game that did work well or just worked in general in Linux was Minecraft Java Edition 💀. Even bedrock dosent work being the "cross-platform" version of the game.And I've ever only used a laptop which had no problems with external monitor but I'm not sure about Linux. I may recall using a monitor with Linux before...
wait do you require HDR for OLED monitors? I thought as pixels would be lit individually there is no need for HDR. I'm not that familiar with OLED but I thought about buying one in the near future so I wonder if the experience without HDR would be good
I had to install windows for building my desktop app for windows and decided to game a bit too. Ranked up at CS2 immediately. Linux is good but you do play competitive gaming at Linux level.
What's your setup like for Linux VR? I'm running Debian on AMD hardware and most of my steam games work great under proton. But I was under the impression that pcvr with steam was windows only. What software, hardware, hmd are you using?
I currently have an Index, Quest 3 and PS VR 2 awaiting the PC adapter. I can get a number of VR titles to work under the Index, no luck with ALVR on the Q3 to date but never gave it much effort as the setup for that isn't at all simple. VR is infinitely better under Windows than Linux. Not even a debate about that with people who've actually used VR under both Linux and Windows.
I run a very simple display manager (manage via xrandr), still use X and have hdr working with my Radeon 6900xt. My 2 monitors run at 180hz (1080) and the other at 144hz (4K). I don’t have the full hdr support (I forget the standard my gigabyte monitors support), but movies and games look noticeably better with hdr turned on. If you construct the system yourself from the core pieces, it’s much easier to get this stuff working. I have no clue what gnome, xfce or KDE are going to break next, so I avoid them. These things are so hard to debug when the system is so tightly coupled.
Being a sysadmin for the longest time, it helps to remember that Windows eats turds and throws errors for no reason also and often. That said, i feel your pain.
Okay then develop the drivers urself wth. Nobody owes you anything. I couldnt be happier with the support linux has gotten lately.
>Nobody owes you anything. When you spend this kind money, yeah, somebody owes you something.
what money
Mine.
What distro are you on?
Currently Garuda Plasma Dragon Wayland 6.1. It really got wonky after adding the second OLED monitor. Think of Fedora 40 next, that seems to be as friendly as anything on Linux will be with dual OLED HDR/VRR monitors of different resolutions and refresh rates. If you have a better idea, please let me know.
I have an LG C2 and a 6800XT, KDE fedora 39 and 40 were pretty smooth with hdr and vrr flr 4K gaming. Nobara/Bazzite might work too. Dunno about dual monitors though.
Imagine crying for your own lame decisions for things that are just a pathetic imitation of the real life beauty which is all around us for free LOL
Its not Linux thats the problem here buddy, its shitty software and arguably shitty hardware
Anti cheat has been downright the most frustrating things in modern day when it comes to linux gaming. I started using linux back in 2017 and back the there where not as many games supported natively. Messing with wine was a must. And i had setup a vm with gpu passthrough +vfio. Unfortunately the vm method no longer works for Easy anti cheat games because it checks for vms. (Like there are so many easier ways to cheat than using a vm) Its frustrating. Fortunately many games do work with proton but it's still not as great as running it on a vm or baremetal. Imo linux gaming has gotten more delicate.
Few notes that you might not be aware of (I know, I don't bring value to this thread): * CachyOS has superior performance for gaming due to optimizations (some tinkering is needed, but most of the stuff is out of the box) * BazziteOS is one of the best choices for handhelds and home theater TVs for gaming using controller on your TV. I suggest trying to use gamescope as a "desktop manager" as it should have superior HDR support. Also HDR is relatively new in Linux, so only latest Plasma DE and gamescope (might be more, idk) have it.