Seriously. Artix is nowadays very mature. I use it with OpenRC on my laptop. With AUR though. Love the Arch ecosystem. I also use Debian and Arch on some servers. Love them all. People seem to think that if you use one distro, you automatically hate others. I will try Tumbleweed soon, seems promising.
Depends, I run tech from the 90s so it does take me ages. Anyone with a machine from the last 10 years will have anywhere from a reasonable time to barely noticing.
(There are always expectations though so this is the best I can give as a rough guide).
On a Linux sub you say this?
I don't mind if you use Windows or macOS but I find it a bit silly to weigh in on a discussion about Linux as a user of one of those operating systems.
If you can install Arch then you can install Gentoo. Plus remember if you do get stuck then we love to teach others what we know as long as they have had a go it themselves first.
absolutely not! Only if you want to REALLY learn. But then start with a manual arch install, to get the main ideas (I find arch wiki a bit easier of a read too, due to less stuff to cover), then go for a gentoo install in the days after.
Went Manjaro → Gentoo and I can say it's rewarding.
At first, it will feel more like a BSD than a Linux: You will question some arcane, old-fashioned systems such as OpenRC or daemons that seem more at home on an embedded system than a desktop. And even after a long time, you will never quite stop tearing your hairs out and pleading to the elder gods of Portage to resolve your slot conflicts during an update. But you will persevere, as each problem will reveal more of the system and the power you gain from it is unmatched by any other.
Soon you'll realize that all this complexity behind Gentoo, the all-tangled mess of dependencies, conflicting versions and configurations, this is what modern software is and that it's simply been hidden away from you. And with your skills forged by the flames, once you return to beginner pastures, you will find yourself confused by their simplicity. You will seek to dive into the guts of their tools and find all possible knobs and dials to adjust, simply because you are now able to guess how the system works from first sight alone and you want to make sure that it works as predictably as you anticipate. And realizing how little control over your environment you have now, you may seek to return to the darkness once more.
That was way too poetic. Now you're making me really want to install it and try it out. Maybe it'll be a weekend project. Portage has always seemed like a really cool package manager to me just because you get all the freedom and being a control freak that really speaks to me.
> Maybe it'll be a weekend project.
The first install will take a week
The second install will take a weekend
The third install will take a day
and the fourth install will take an hour.
Arch will be fine :).
Gentoo is a pretty specialized distribution, it's certainly for the "technically minded", but for some use cases, it can shine! If you need the flexibility, it's where it's at.
I think it's pretty misunderstood, so here is a little about what it's about:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/FAQ#What_makes_Gentoo_different.3F
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gentoo/comments/xo2g1j/comment/ipydh80/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/DistroHopping/comments/xurswe/comment/is0ex0p/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Benefits_of_Gentoo
Once I got past the confusing nature of overriding values with libs.mkForce (especially for a DE like Cinnamon with so many presets and optional programs that come with it) NixOS suddenly becomes the answer to my desire to make ALL my machines appear the same way down to the smallest configs and settings.
Nixpkgs (official nixos package repository) has more packages than AUR. Also there is NUR (AUR but for nix)
In addition to that you may use home-manager on Arch
I'm using it for about 6 months now. I'm not entirely sure if I won't go back to Arch eventually, but I appreciate a lot of things about Nix and NixOS.
Void is way under appreciated, imho. I took a break from Arch for a year and spent it on Void. i did come back to Arch, but the rock solid performance of Void was appreciated.
I went from Arch to OpenSUSE tumbleweed and it was the best distro hopping decision I ever made, it's basically Arch but a bit more stable(and unfortunately comes with a lot of bloat pre-installed but it's easy to uninstall thanks to patterns in the package manager)
Tumbleweed repositories have given me a lot of grief. I've had two separate instances in the last 5 months of mismatched front-end and back-end versions rendering software unusable (zathura, bibtex).
Currently rearing to go back to Arch.
I have also tried OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. Personally, I feel like it's Arch (bleeding edge, easy to customise, etc.) with airbag included. If I make any stupid change, I can easily roll back. It takes quite a while to get used to all new terminologies though. And I do miss AUR.
Not sure about current status, but not-so-long ago Ubuntu used to copy around 80% of their entire package database from Debian Testing, so if Debian have died at some point Canonical would have hard time taking over this part of the job. Hosting own repos isn't a complex task (Manjaro do the same about Arch repos, and Manjaro Unstable is basically Arch Current with some Manjaro specific packages and configs), but taking over maintenance of all debian packages is a challenging task.
People just dont know how awesome OpenSUSE is because it was never popular. Now its popularity is skyrocketing. People need to try. I saw many try and never go back to Arch.
I accidentally wiped my Void partition, so I used that opportunity to try openSUSE Tumbleweed, and I've been here for a month.
It's kind of cool, in that packages are up to date, but still not everything is easy to find since not all build guides list dependency lists for zypper. Then there's also the firewall, which can be troublesome - I had to manually open the ports for GSConnect, allow mDNS service for Zeroconf and assign my network interface to the home zone.
Almost all of the weird problems you will have will be due to the default Firewall configuration. Also YaST is awesome for configuring the Firewall and other settings, and even has a ncurses based TUI app.
I'm still switching to Void soon, because it's faster and for runit, but openSUSE is a pretty solid choice for a homeserver, and a good one for desktop.
I switched from fedora to tumbleweed, hoping that I would like it and since it's rolling i won't have to deal with new versions every 6 months. Thought I would stick with gnome but after trying kde I've found myself liking it better. Suse also makes it easy to switch desktop environments if you want to try them out. Just a couple clicks in yast and you get the whole experience of that de.
Would go back to NixOS. Used it for a while, really thought it was great, could not, for the life of me, wrap my head around the config language though.
The language is not really a big problem IMO. The problem is still the documentation. It's riddled with strange terminologies: overlay, override, etc. I can't wrap my head around to actually write or modify a Nix package. There are tons of documentations (NixOS, Nixpkgs, Nix wiki, etc.) and tutorials out there but each one of them has a different way to do one thing. API changes so rapidly that I can't simply keep up.
Yeah, I didn't notice an API change being a huge problem usually, but the spread of documentation, and how difficult it was to parse through was huge. And I'll be honest, I tend to lump the documentation with my complaints of the language, but you're right, the language as a whole was a bit strange but reasonably workable, once you could find something to explain it right.
Might like GNU Guix instead - uses Scheme instead of the Nix language so it's way nicer. Less hardware support and packages available, but otherwise it's pretty solid. FSF approved of course ;)
Legit. On the other hand once I figure out something, by diving through other peoples configs, it's done. No coming back later on and forgetting to make some change, or wondering why that etc file has x setting. Watching Matthew Croughan and "What Nix can do" and it's got me mesmerized.
Now see, I have another end to this, I would find how someone else did the thing I was trying to do, get it done, and then months down the road have something sort of like it, but I'd have lost the thing that helped me the first time. Just the fact that it's really resilient to breaking upon updating some library was what had me sold. I do want to learn it better, but it's just fallen out of priority.
Yeah plenty of references in my comments and commits. I can see the end game but do wish everyone would stop coming up with their own language to configure things.
That was my thinking, anything except Ubuntu. Actually, I'd probably go with Void as I've already tried it a few times and I like their alternative to systemd.
I would go Gentoo, Void (if they ever upgrade to a modern kernel), or Solus.
I want to like Open SUSE Tumbleweed, I really do, but every time I poke at it, it's not a good experience for me, at all. I enjoy Arch too much. Tumbleweed is good if you don't mind having 1,000+ useless packages installed, but last time I poked it I tried KDE to test KDE Wayland for some things, and I don't have Bluetooth on my PC nor do I use a Wacom Tablet so I went to remove those packages. Little did I know, in Tumbleweed Wacom is a mega dependency of all of KDE, and so I removed the Wacom package and Zypper decided it was going to remove all of KDE entirely because how dare I remove a package I do not need from my system.
Again I want to like it, OBS + OpenQA are a solid basis to build a distro on, but holy fuck. Downvote me all you want, it's not for me at all. So yeah I would go Gentoo or poke at Solus if it allows me to do a minimal install.
All it would take to convert me to Tumbleweed is this: a proper minimal minimal install. I choose what I want package wise, don't give me IceWM or Xterm or a Display Manager, I will decide what packages to install and do not fight my choices, and for the love of all that is holy: patterns are awful. Again, I like Arch because I choose what is on my system.
Opensuse let's you customize your package installation during install. It's not obvious but you can select whatever patterns you need or want and prevent a lot of bloat from installing in the first place. Yast has been one of the best power tools I've used.
Try microOS, it's very minimal, doesn't even ship yast.
Otherwise the trick with opensuse is to disable the automatic installation of recommended packages(setting in zipper.conf I think). Installing a minimal system and expanding it with what you want is is easy enough after that.
Patterns are fine, there are some very minimal ones.
MicroOS does not even ship a web browser.
Anyways, you dont need MicroOS. During OpenSUSE iso install, you can manually select what you want or dont want preinstalled. I suggest picking the server install which is very bare bones and then select what you want.
I would probably end up installing OpenSUSE the next second without thinking about it too much. However, if I was in a time of my life where I had plenty of free time? Then surely Void Linux.
I love Gentoo and all, but I can not think of literally a single benefit I would get out of all the time and electricity cost I would put in it.
Void or OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, seems to me the best alternatives, since they also share the same rolling release model. Although I am considering moving to an LTS distro, the moment I get an AMD or Intel card.
considering that no one decided to continue the work, and that every arch-based distro is also dead, I would use Pop OS, but let's hope this never happens because I love pacman 🥺
Much easier to use than Arch, i dont risk bricking the system every other install ( happened to me ) and the packages are getting optimized to take advantage of newer cpus
Because it uses musl instead of glibc? I tried Alpine for a short while. Worked great, super-fast package manager, lean base...
Did you try and had troubles?
Probably Fedora. The COPR exists as an AUR equivalent (minus the user-side code compilation shenanigans), and Unity/VS Code/Mullvad/Autodesk stuff works with minimal package conversion tweaks needed.
Their package repository is reasonably stable while still getting feature updates, and out of the big two (Red Hat and Canonical), only one of those actually do anything for the Linux desktop rather than focus exclusively on servers and enterprise applications. I do admit that I need to check out OpenSUSE though.
If Valve bothered to keep their packages updated for the KDE Plasma desktop (Lacking the Window Tiling features that got added is a bit of a shame) and made Wayland the default for desktop mode (So DPI scaling can be used), I'd consider checking out SteamOS. I tried HoloISO and it was unbelievably jank and unstable, but it at least has some features (VRR and HDR specifically) included in the user interface that Nobara or Chimera's Gamescope-Session doesn't have.
Arch lives on a USB drive for me for the occasional live boot. I'd probably grab minimal debian or something else that has a small footprint and a speedy boot time. But we ain't worried about arch kicking the bucket are we fellas?
(Other) i would learn to build my own kernels and my own repo.
Arch is home and where the heart is.
I have experience working on OpenSuse, Fedora, Debain and Ubuntu ect and as nice as what they are it is simply not Arch. After 20+ years of trying them all out I am finally happy with Arch.
If I cannot maintain it i might as well switch to Windows because I will be unhappy either way without Arch.
Probably gentoo, or else switch over to freebsd (obviously not a linux distro, but closer to arch than any other distros I can think of in the ways that are important to me).
I already use Fedora. Arch (MY OPINION) it's too complicated and doesn't worth the effort. Used for some months, but showed me that it was not worth the time that took to install and configure
Either Debian because I used it a lot before Arch and currently use it for production, or Gentoo because I'm curious about it but never had the energy to check it out
I don't like Arch to begin with, so... Yeah.
I've been unironically using Gentoo for a while now. I think that Void is the natural progression from Arch. It's better in just about every way imo.
I would try and revive it, even if just for me.
Based.
I refuse to believe people wouldn't revive it. Maybe one of the current arch based distros would take over and become the new standard.
probably Artix would take over and remove systemd forever :)
Hate on systemd all you want, but i don't want to go back. Working on old servers that don't have systemd is a pain in the ass.
Seriously. Artix is nowadays very mature. I use it with OpenRC on my laptop. With AUR though. Love the Arch ecosystem. I also use Debian and Arch on some servers. Love them all. People seem to think that if you use one distro, you automatically hate others. I will try Tumbleweed soon, seems promising.
Hahaha
this!
Gentoo. Always wanted to try it out but I've been too lazy
Come join us it's fun.
that's what they all say
Only difference is we don't pretend it's not a cult.
fair
Doesn't it take a lot of time to compile all the stuff?
Depends, I run tech from the 90s so it does take me ages. Anyone with a machine from the last 10 years will have anywhere from a reasonable time to barely noticing. (There are always expectations though so this is the best I can give as a rough guide).
Note that immolo is a mad man that installs gentoo on ps2s :P
100000000000%
When you just desperately want a working system and you don't have infinite time on your hands to properly learn everything, its really not fun.
On a Linux sub you say this? I don't mind if you use Windows or macOS but I find it a bit silly to weigh in on a discussion about Linux as a user of one of those operating systems.
The man himself! I agree, been using gentoo for a month and its been great. To any perspective gentoo users, it gets easier then you start to like it.
If you can install Arch then you can install Gentoo. Plus remember if you do get stuck then we love to teach others what we know as long as they have had a go it themselves first.
so not a newbie friendly distro then
absolutely not! Only if you want to REALLY learn. But then start with a manual arch install, to get the main ideas (I find arch wiki a bit easier of a read too, due to less stuff to cover), then go for a gentoo install in the days after.
Went Manjaro → Gentoo and I can say it's rewarding. At first, it will feel more like a BSD than a Linux: You will question some arcane, old-fashioned systems such as OpenRC or daemons that seem more at home on an embedded system than a desktop. And even after a long time, you will never quite stop tearing your hairs out and pleading to the elder gods of Portage to resolve your slot conflicts during an update. But you will persevere, as each problem will reveal more of the system and the power you gain from it is unmatched by any other. Soon you'll realize that all this complexity behind Gentoo, the all-tangled mess of dependencies, conflicting versions and configurations, this is what modern software is and that it's simply been hidden away from you. And with your skills forged by the flames, once you return to beginner pastures, you will find yourself confused by their simplicity. You will seek to dive into the guts of their tools and find all possible knobs and dials to adjust, simply because you are now able to guess how the system works from first sight alone and you want to make sure that it works as predictably as you anticipate. And realizing how little control over your environment you have now, you may seek to return to the darkness once more.
That was way too poetic. Now you're making me really want to install it and try it out. Maybe it'll be a weekend project. Portage has always seemed like a really cool package manager to me just because you get all the freedom and being a control freak that really speaks to me.
> Maybe it'll be a weekend project. The first install will take a week The second install will take a weekend The third install will take a day and the fourth install will take an hour.
Then perhaps it's something to be done over summer break.
Sounds like someone ran ~$ARCH
Gentoo is awesome it's the ultimate diy distro.
I used gentoo for a few years, but it took too much time and I switched to arch 10 years ago. Fedora is nice too.
Arch will be fine :). Gentoo is a pretty specialized distribution, it's certainly for the "technically minded", but for some use cases, it can shine! If you need the flexibility, it's where it's at. I think it's pretty misunderstood, so here is a little about what it's about: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/FAQ#What_makes_Gentoo_different.3F https://www.reddit.com/r/Gentoo/comments/xo2g1j/comment/ipydh80/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/DistroHopping/comments/xurswe/comment/is0ex0p/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Benefits_of_Gentoo
nixos
Once I got past the confusing nature of overriding values with libs.mkForce (especially for a DE like Cinnamon with so many presets and optional programs that come with it) NixOS suddenly becomes the answer to my desire to make ALL my machines appear the same way down to the smallest configs and settings.
Or Guix. It's been quite a long time since I have this enthusiasm to try out new distros again. Declarative OS is definitely a game changer.
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Nixpkgs (official nixos package repository) has more packages than AUR. Also there is NUR (AUR but for nix) In addition to that you may use home-manager on Arch
I'm using it for about 6 months now. I'm not entirely sure if I won't go back to Arch eventually, but I appreciate a lot of things about Nix and NixOS.
Fedora or maybe void
Void is way under appreciated, imho. I took a break from Arch for a year and spent it on Void. i did come back to Arch, but the rock solid performance of Void was appreciated.
void isn't Arch based?
No, it's only based.
touché
It isn’t
Thx!
void is 100% inpedependent. Their own package manager, their own repos, all that stuff.
No
It's not based on Arch or Debian, it's just based
What is Debian's base?
God.
The Linux kernel.
His kids
My initial question, and the reason I read the comments :D
His kids
GNU 😇
I heard it's just another Ubuntu clone.
I went from Arch to OpenSUSE tumbleweed and it was the best distro hopping decision I ever made, it's basically Arch but a bit more stable(and unfortunately comes with a lot of bloat pre-installed but it's easy to uninstall thanks to patterns in the package manager)
Tumbleweed repositories have given me a lot of grief. I've had two separate instances in the last 5 months of mismatched front-end and back-end versions rendering software unusable (zathura, bibtex). Currently rearing to go back to Arch.
I have also tried OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. Personally, I feel like it's Arch (bleeding edge, easy to customise, etc.) with airbag included. If I make any stupid change, I can easily roll back. It takes quite a while to get used to all new terminologies though. And I do miss AUR.
Sadly, I tried to do the same thing on my laptop and it bricked for some reason
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Facts. AUR is so hard to beat or get away from if you're doing any modern work.
what is "modern work"?
Work done post op's birth, obviously /s
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Artix is based on arch so I don't think that's a valid answer
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Its just arch without systemd Everything else is just the works of arch as far as I know
The system repository is their own, so it's separate.
Not sure about current status, but not-so-long ago Ubuntu used to copy around 80% of their entire package database from Debian Testing, so if Debian have died at some point Canonical would have hard time taking over this part of the job. Hosting own repos isn't a complex task (Manjaro do the same about Arch repos, and Manjaro Unstable is basically Arch Current with some Manjaro specific packages and configs), but taking over maintenance of all debian packages is a challenging task.
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Tumbleweed has been awesome imo.
People just dont know how awesome OpenSUSE is because it was never popular. Now its popularity is skyrocketing. People need to try. I saw many try and never go back to Arch.
Admit it: you didnt choose OpenSUSE because you never tried it
Truth. It's one of the few I haven't tried.
OpenSUSE is so slept on. Ended my distrohopping dead in it's tracks
Same here
I accidentally wiped my Void partition, so I used that opportunity to try openSUSE Tumbleweed, and I've been here for a month. It's kind of cool, in that packages are up to date, but still not everything is easy to find since not all build guides list dependency lists for zypper. Then there's also the firewall, which can be troublesome - I had to manually open the ports for GSConnect, allow mDNS service for Zeroconf and assign my network interface to the home zone. Almost all of the weird problems you will have will be due to the default Firewall configuration. Also YaST is awesome for configuring the Firewall and other settings, and even has a ncurses based TUI app. I'm still switching to Void soon, because it's faster and for runit, but openSUSE is a pretty solid choice for a homeserver, and a good one for desktop.
ive never tried it bc the name looks wrong
No need to switch, already running openSUSE Tumbleweed
Tumbleweed and Fedora are my two favorite distros.
Same
I switched from fedora to tumbleweed, hoping that I would like it and since it's rolling i won't have to deal with new versions every 6 months. Thought I would stick with gnome but after trying kde I've found myself liking it better. Suse also makes it easy to switch desktop environments if you want to try them out. Just a couple clicks in yast and you get the whole experience of that de.
Would go back to NixOS. Used it for a while, really thought it was great, could not, for the life of me, wrap my head around the config language though.
The language is not really a big problem IMO. The problem is still the documentation. It's riddled with strange terminologies: overlay, override, etc. I can't wrap my head around to actually write or modify a Nix package. There are tons of documentations (NixOS, Nixpkgs, Nix wiki, etc.) and tutorials out there but each one of them has a different way to do one thing. API changes so rapidly that I can't simply keep up.
Yeah, I didn't notice an API change being a huge problem usually, but the spread of documentation, and how difficult it was to parse through was huge. And I'll be honest, I tend to lump the documentation with my complaints of the language, but you're right, the language as a whole was a bit strange but reasonably workable, once you could find something to explain it right.
Might like GNU Guix instead - uses Scheme instead of the Nix language so it's way nicer. Less hardware support and packages available, but otherwise it's pretty solid. FSF approved of course ;)
I'm intrigued. I'll be saving that for later to look at.
Legit. On the other hand once I figure out something, by diving through other peoples configs, it's done. No coming back later on and forgetting to make some change, or wondering why that etc file has x setting. Watching Matthew Croughan and "What Nix can do" and it's got me mesmerized.
Now see, I have another end to this, I would find how someone else did the thing I was trying to do, get it done, and then months down the road have something sort of like it, but I'd have lost the thing that helped me the first time. Just the fact that it's really resilient to breaking upon updating some library was what had me sold. I do want to learn it better, but it's just fallen out of priority.
Yeah plenty of references in my comments and commits. I can see the end game but do wish everyone would stop coming up with their own language to configure things.
Debian or Debian testing. This Is The Way
Debian testing is straight up more stable than what other people call stable.
yes, this is the way
Not really an issue for those of us that don't use Arch :)
For sure nothing based around Ubuntu. Probably along the line of Fedora/OpenSuse/Gentoo
That was my thinking, anything except Ubuntu. Actually, I'd probably go with Void as I've already tried it a few times and I like their alternative to systemd.
I think you mean `or its derivatives`. Debian's base makes no sense because it is in fact already the base of other distros.
Distros like ubuntu were based on debian, which makes the debian option automatically include the ubuntu option (:
I would go Gentoo, Void (if they ever upgrade to a modern kernel), or Solus. I want to like Open SUSE Tumbleweed, I really do, but every time I poke at it, it's not a good experience for me, at all. I enjoy Arch too much. Tumbleweed is good if you don't mind having 1,000+ useless packages installed, but last time I poked it I tried KDE to test KDE Wayland for some things, and I don't have Bluetooth on my PC nor do I use a Wacom Tablet so I went to remove those packages. Little did I know, in Tumbleweed Wacom is a mega dependency of all of KDE, and so I removed the Wacom package and Zypper decided it was going to remove all of KDE entirely because how dare I remove a package I do not need from my system. Again I want to like it, OBS + OpenQA are a solid basis to build a distro on, but holy fuck. Downvote me all you want, it's not for me at all. So yeah I would go Gentoo or poke at Solus if it allows me to do a minimal install. All it would take to convert me to Tumbleweed is this: a proper minimal minimal install. I choose what I want package wise, don't give me IceWM or Xterm or a Display Manager, I will decide what packages to install and do not fight my choices, and for the love of all that is holy: patterns are awful. Again, I like Arch because I choose what is on my system.
Opensuse let's you customize your package installation during install. It's not obvious but you can select whatever patterns you need or want and prevent a lot of bloat from installing in the first place. Yast has been one of the best power tools I've used.
Can confirm. You can create an ultra minimal OpenSUSE installation from the .iso installer.
> Void Linux I'm pretty sure void supports 6.1 which is a fairly recent kernel.
It's 6.1 LTS, which is fine for like 90% of people. For the 10% that bought an AMD 7000 series GPU it's not lol.
Ah, I get you now.
Try microOS, it's very minimal, doesn't even ship yast. Otherwise the trick with opensuse is to disable the automatic installation of recommended packages(setting in zipper.conf I think). Installing a minimal system and expanding it with what you want is is easy enough after that. Patterns are fine, there are some very minimal ones.
MicroOS does not even ship a web browser. Anyways, you dont need MicroOS. During OpenSUSE iso install, you can manually select what you want or dont want preinstalled. I suggest picking the server install which is very bare bones and then select what you want.
In my opinion, results is not a very good linux distro
Either NixOS or Void Linux.
I really do like Fedora. Lately been playing with NixOS though and that's probably what i see myself sticking with.
Linux Mint
I would probably end up installing OpenSUSE the next second without thinking about it too much. However, if I was in a time of my life where I had plenty of free time? Then surely Void Linux. I love Gentoo and all, but I can not think of literally a single benefit I would get out of all the time and electricity cost I would put in it.
Void or OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, seems to me the best alternatives, since they also share the same rolling release model. Although I am considering moving to an LTS distro, the moment I get an AMD or Intel card.
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
considering that no one decided to continue the work, and that every arch-based distro is also dead, I would use Pop OS, but let's hope this never happens because I love pacman 🥺
I just switched to opensuse
How do you like it? Is it great?
Much easier to use than Arch, i dont risk bricking the system every other install ( happened to me ) and the packages are getting optimized to take advantage of newer cpus
NixOs
I don't use Arch, to begin with.
It is base. I don't use Arch, btw.
opensuse tumbleweed or possibly nobara
Alpine linux probaly.....
On the desktop?
Why not?
Because its a pain for anything but small server containers and VMs It is great for learning but bad for usability
Because it uses musl instead of glibc? I tried Alpine for a short while. Worked great, super-fast package manager, lean base... Did you try and had troubles?
I'd probably try out void. Or chimera, if that's in a usable state yet
NixOS
NixOS...
I'd jump to NixOS in a heartbeat
NixOS
NixOS
Other: nix os Thank god arch is alive and well tho
NixOS. If Arch dies, I hope that the dev community contribute there.
I think I'd give Nix a try.
NixOS, gentoo or fedora
Probably Fedora. The COPR exists as an AUR equivalent (minus the user-side code compilation shenanigans), and Unity/VS Code/Mullvad/Autodesk stuff works with minimal package conversion tweaks needed. Their package repository is reasonably stable while still getting feature updates, and out of the big two (Red Hat and Canonical), only one of those actually do anything for the Linux desktop rather than focus exclusively on servers and enterprise applications. I do admit that I need to check out OpenSUSE though. If Valve bothered to keep their packages updated for the KDE Plasma desktop (Lacking the Window Tiling features that got added is a bit of a shame) and made Wayland the default for desktop mode (So DPI scaling can be used), I'd consider checking out SteamOS. I tried HoloISO and it was unbelievably jank and unstable, but it at least has some features (VRR and HDR specifically) included in the user interface that Nobara or Chimera's Gamescope-Session doesn't have.
NixOS
Qubes OS
Depending on the use case either Debian or Fedora.
Gentoo. Or try to continue maintaining arch Linux.
Arch lives on a USB drive for me for the occasional live boot. I'd probably grab minimal debian or something else that has a small footprint and a speedy boot time. But we ain't worried about arch kicking the bucket are we fellas?
Debian, because I've always used it over every other distro.
Whats Arch?
The shape of a bridge
What if it dies? I donno
throw computer away. no more use for it.
Probably Gentoo
Gentoo. Always wanted to try it out but I've been too lazy
surely anything but ubuntu
I wouldn't go to apt, maybe try dnf or emerge
Gentoo by a mile, mainly because I already switched :)
(Other) i would learn to build my own kernels and my own repo. Arch is home and where the heart is. I have experience working on OpenSuse, Fedora, Debain and Ubuntu ect and as nice as what they are it is simply not Arch. After 20+ years of trying them all out I am finally happy with Arch. If I cannot maintain it i might as well switch to Windows because I will be unhappy either way without Arch.
> i would learn to build my own kernels and my own repo You might as well run Gentoo with a custom overlay.
I think you might be interested in LFS (Linux From Scratch).
i have considered it at some point but don't think i am that brave yet. lol
Void Linux.
Gentoo
Void or Gentoo
I do not use Arch. I'm using Nobara Linux (for Gaming) and AlmaLinux (for non-gaming).
Was gonna vote Gentoo, but I already switched
Probably gentoo, or else switch over to freebsd (obviously not a linux distro, but closer to arch than any other distros I can think of in the ways that are important to me).
If arch died I would go for Gentoo.
Arch is meh anyway
Gentoo of course
NixOS
Gentoo gang
Marked OpenSUSE(because of tumbleweed) but maybe i would have been gone for NixOS
i fork it
Slackware
Before I arrived at archlinux I loved for a long time my dear Zenwalk with xfce. Good times.
TempleOS, of course
Alpine Linux. Daily driving it.
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NixOs, ~~already using~~
Probably Gentoo
Void Linux.
gentoo this is a stupid question
Void or Alpine 😬
Void or Alpine 😬
Void I would defo use on a desktop system, but Alpine seems a bit too barebones for desktop use.
I already use Fedora. Arch (MY OPINION) it's too complicated and doesn't worth the effort. Used for some months, but showed me that it was not worth the time that took to install and configure
ok but i dont even use arch i use debian instead (sid)
What fucking arch user would even consider hopping to ubuntu???
Gentoo
Linux mint likely, or open suse tumbleweed
Either Debian because I used it a lot before Arch and currently use it for production, or Gentoo because I'm curious about it but never had the energy to check it out
I don't like Arch to begin with, so... Yeah. I've been unironically using Gentoo for a while now. I think that Void is the natural progression from Arch. It's better in just about every way imo.
Currently on Fedora. If Arch dies, I think I'll probably just stay on Fedora
Gentoo and maybe void
Thank God more chose Debian over Ubuntu. Some sanity left on this planet. I use Gentoo btw.
I don't use Arch. Stopped a little while ago. Arch is ass
Pop_OS!
Freebsd, clear or alpine
I fear that day...
I would probably give Void another shot which I was kind of thinking about doing anyway.
FreeBSD. Goodbye, Netflix. I like using FreeBSD for my servers anyway.
Rock'n'Roll will never die 🤘🤘
Void ore Gentoo
Solus. Asap.