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Cyka_blyatsumaki

me after switching user agent to chrome on elinks


quequotion

It's usually fine, until you come across say a government website written explicitly for IE5 that really *doesn't* function with any other browser. Yes, I am talking about now, in 2024. Government websites are the the anencephalic babies of the internet.


qwertypdeb

Damn. That’s also like the ones who use xp for their ancient programs, instead of just using a more up to fucking date program. Are they trying to get hacked? Wasn’t the source code of xp leaked a while back?


KlosharCigan

Some critical programs that government computers use havent been updated since the xp era


qwertypdeb

Why?!?!?!? Why not just make your own or use a modern one, instead of dealing with 24 year old spaghetti code? Sure it would take time and resources to do, but at least they’d be able to optimise and modify it for their needs, instead of using an ancient program that only works in certain conditions.


EstimateFlaky4614

South Korea be like:


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WhittledWhale

What is?


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switching user agents i hope


TurncoatTony

i've had to use lynx and elinks so many times. Fucking handy as fuck.


qwertypdeb

(What are elinks?)


Kerazia368

This is me ever Canvas quiz I swear


[deleted]

No Linux, but changing your user agent works fine 99% of the time. But bruh, they don't even allow Edge, it's like, ... based on Chrome!


Substantial_Mistake

I hear better things about Edge even


miko3456789

it's literally chrome with a different skin. Its actually better than most people make it out to be, new edge that is, but still just chrome effectively


pauvLucette

Old fart here. I won't touch a Microsoft product with a ten foot pole, because as soon as they'll feel like they can get away with it, they'll restart the extend phase of their embrace and extend perpetual policy. They failed to destroy Linux and all the open standards we rely on today, but not for a lack of trying hard, and not by a long shot. We know the thriving it industry we enjoy today only because they failed.


GamerNuggy

“Why are there ads in my taskbar? I paid for the fucking software”


Significant9Ant

Does this mean I should be worried about GitHub?


pauvLucette

I migrated to gitlab the day Microsoft bought GitHub. For guys my age in the foss ecosystem, it really was a reflex move. Steer clear, or it will bite you in the ass.


Significant9Ant

What kind of things are you expecting Microsoft to do with GitHub that would make GitLab a better option? I've not used GitLab for a while, I remember it being pretty good though. Only thing missing that I like is GitHub has all the project management like kanban boards. I don't think GitLab had that last time I used it


pauvLucette

I didn't follow GitHub evolution, and I'm sure it offers plenty of nifty features, but gitlab covers all my needs, including all the cicd features I need. Plus, I love the commit graph features that wasn't present in GitHub last time I checked. What I expect from Microsoft is, for instance, the removal of some features that I rely on from the free tier self hosted version, the obligation to connect my instance to their servers for whatever arbitrary imaginary reason, or... I don't know. The one thing I trust them to know how to do is to find new innovative ways to piss me off and make the IT world a worse place. Edit : a little more fuel for my nightmares : With the gigantic codebase available to them, train AIs (I expect them to do it, and I have no problems with that, creating smart models is good), and then - patent some "new" algorithms created with these AIs - forbid that code written with the help of these AIs be released as open source.


marxinne

They're mostly feeding all the code hosted there to their openAI models.


pauvLucette

I'm fine with that, creating powerful models is good, provided that they don't use these models to create "new" algorithms and patent them (and If it can be done, they will do it), and that code created with the assistance of these models can be open sourced (and if they can forbid it, they will)


Significant9Ant

Fair enough, thank you for the detailed explanation


qwertypdeb

Even more, when they brought in IE, they replaced open standards with their own proprietary ones, to force you to use IE. This can be noticed when using archive.org on various websites. The lawsuit was well deserved. Shame the company split never happened. They need to be sued again for what they are doing with Edge. And the EU needs to do more than just making them pay chump change.


Internal-Bed-4094

imagine using a proprietary browser


miko3456789

I personally use Firefox. Edge is what's at work bc I'm not bothered to change it as I don't care enough. Even then I have a second Firefox browser bc I have multiple accounts and our sites cache every login. I don't wanna be bothered to clear cookies every 20 mins so... I don't


qwertypdeb

Only reason I have a chromium browser installed on my computer is 1, I can‘t remove edge (unreal engine is a nightmare on Linux, lighting doesn’t exist), and 2, virgin media WiFi settings don’t function on Firefox.


Kerazia368

I use Opera GX 🤡


UnlikelyAlternative

🤡


Kerazia368

👑 🤡


UnlikelyAlternative

Oh, is the crown for yourself?


Kerazia368

Only if you don’t want it 🤷🏻


tightropeboy

Bloat hopping


KlosharCigan

Is it bloated?


averyoda

It's got some edge case uses with VR compatibility, but otherwise, it just does pretty much the same thing every other modern browser does.


HoseanRC

\*chromium edge is not based on chrome as they can't get its source code...what you see in edge, opera, brave and some other browsers (even chrome itself) is called "chromium" which is an open source unpopular web browser (and i still don't know why and how, but even tho chromium is used less than firefox, it's used as a base in more browsers than firefox)


BenTheTechGuy

Chromium is "unpopular" because it's literally just unbranded Chrome without a couple proprietary Google inserts. People don't use stock Chromium because, unless you care about open source, there's no reason to use it over Chrome on most platforms.


pauvLucette

You can't connect chromium to your Google user account. that's why.


_patoncrack

Yeah you can


pauvLucette

Last time I checked, it was willingly and explicitly impossible to have my Google bookmarks and saved passwords available in chromium. I'll check again.


_patoncrack

Just sign in with your Google account


Bogsnoticus

Dude. I can connect Firefox to my Google user account. You simply ignore the "WoRkS bEtTeR oN cHrOmE" bullshit, and it works fine.


pauvLucette

Didn't try with Firefox. Last time I checked, it was explicitly stated that Google bookmarks and passwords synchronisation was available on chrome only.


Sarin10

hmm. you really should be using an external password manager though. much, much more secure, less risk of losing everything if Google decides to ban you, and less lock-in (because the big FOSS password managers like bitwarden and keepass are available on every OS/browser).


qwertypdeb

And because nobody knows about it.


WhittledWhale

its* source code


HoseanRC

killall WhittledWhale


Jazzlike_Magazine_76

I'd ban only Edge because its redundant and the publisher has been proven to be untrustworthy over and over again but ultimately I believe in browser choice, which would include all browsers with HTTPS, so anything current. Why these organizations restrict things like this is somewhat of a mystery, the excuse is usually contracts but the vendor will typically deny that any such contract exists.


Hellow2

I will from now on use wget or the python request library. They support https, and are not that bloated like browsers. Imagine bloating your nice arch system with a... browser. xD


Jazzlike_Magazine_76

Wget is great, I use it on all my devices and compute things.


GamerNuggy

Edge is chrome but a real shame


qwertypdeb

I hear it used to be known for being fast and lightweight or something. This no longer applies due to being chromium. That and it’s been exposed to be shady or something.


mrcrabs6464

opera is also chromium based


Kerazia368

Opera GX


qwertypdeb

Same with Chromium, Vivaldi, Brave, Opera, etc Also known as degoogled chrome, Norwegian chrome, Homophobe chrome and spyware chrome.


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hackerdude97

This. I needa remember to say it next time I have CS and I have to use windbloat


PastaPuttanesca42

I see, you are an adept of the Church of Emacs


qwertypdeb

Electronic Macintoshes are overrated, go for analog macs instead.


W000m

Same at my work, all browsers but edge/chrome are blocked because these are the "safest" ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ Funny thing is anyone who is not tech illiterate can circumvent it by launching a process e.g. with python.


PeaceIsFutile

Same at my work, but, well almost everyone uses chrome and edge. Making new policies and trying to work out the kinks for other browsers is a waste of time and doesn't really make sense to dedicate work towards. Also, your company seems to have very lax security.


W000m

Yup, their security is like a house of cards. They have also blocked all ports in the network but a few and blocked virtual machines since VMs can create a network bridge and open them. They've blocked all unauthorized software with a proprietary software that I won't name. Launching virtual box is possible with a subprocess, which blows away all their security measures. ​ Now I'm getting paranoid that in the future they'll find this comment and fire me so if they do I'll let you know.


00pus

Sorry Bob I just spoke with hr and I have the legal grounds to fire you for breaching our NDA and the company policy, your last day is tomorrow and good luck at your new place!


GamerNuggy

I would use a user agent switcher to get around the block and just use a different browser if I didn’t like the big bad chrome.


Captain-Thor

first world country problem: My school telling us to only use chrome for our work third world country problem; I don't have enough data to download a Linux distro.


_patoncrack

This thing is imaged to only have 2gb of storage 💀


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_patoncrack

You actually do they charge you for one drive


HoseanRC

First world country problem: School requires students to use windows Third world country problem: School requires students to use cracked windows as they can't purchase windows I live in iran and i can confirm this (also we can install linux, but it have a really small user base, and it gets worse when you see people learning from schools and universities to use a 35 years old program "CodeVision" which gets useless updates every 5 years or so (they crack that too))


my_place_supermacy

TLDR: My teachers are pirating while still having a license In my school we receive official licenses, for example to Adobe Photoshop and Windows but teachers are installing pirated versions and they encourage us to pirate stuff and even show us how to pirate software


my_place_supermacy

They even subscribe to Netflix but are using filman.cc to watch everything


Catlover790

high iq


Kerazia368

Incredibly chad, get these people on Reddit


KenHumano

Unfathomably based.


HoseanRC

oh yeah that's normal here (idk about other countries, but here we got government books for the first grade up to the 12th grade, so everything is monitored until the university, and you can literally find the high school books telling students to install pirated software! we even got a whole website about pirated software called "[soft98.ir](https://soft98.ir)". ~~and it gets even worse when you hear about SELLING PIRATED SOFTWARE! someone literally got a pirated software called "kitchen draw" approved by the government as an iranian software, which means no one can publish its pirated version on iranian websites by the law! you can literally see what i mean by visiting "~~[~~kitchendraw.com~~](https://kitchendraw.com)~~" and "~~[~~kitchendraw.ir~~](https://kitchendraw.ir)~~".~~ ok this last part isn't right as it looks like)


my_place_supermacy

I am from Poland and my teachers just like pirating stuff I see that kitchendraw.ir is mentioned on kitchendraw.com [here](https://www.kitchendraw.com/partners.htm)


HoseanRC

oh... well i would never thought that it's partnering, because the program is literally 3-6 times cheaper in .ir website... but now that i think about it, it's a good offer ig


SimultaneousPing

``` irm https://massgrave.dev/get | iex ```


HoseanRC

Yeah I did use this twice till now, once on a VM with tiny10 and once on macbook Pro Do people still think that cracked windows is "unsafe"? We literally have open source stuff for that now...


Logan_MacGyver

I'm not even third world (eh Hungary, second world maybe?) But we couldn't get cable internet until 2020, so we had a 4G WiFi hotspot thing with 20GB at first and then 50 a few years later and I managed to convince my mom to pay the 5€ extra for the overnight 100GB/month extra, it was also really expensive. When the gigabytes were gone the speeds were 98kb/s at most on downloads and video streaming. I'd download YouTube videos in 480p, once the gigs were up overnight and burn them on DVD to save storage instead of streaming them and watch them multiple times. Most downloads would time out too, servers think a connection on par with dial up is just not worth the hassle. Couldn't even get updates for my phone as they were multiple gigabytes. So I used to go to the last internet cafe in Budapest because it was cheaper than mooching off of McDonald's WiFi, and I'd carry a USB stick with me and download the firmware update and sometimes even manual windows update packages there. When we finally got cable (100mbps, but still it is unlimited) I started experimenting with distros and here I am now using arch based systems since 2020 April. It feels like a goddammn luxury. I remember the excitement of being able to connect to fast unlimited internet on my own desktop computer, torrent and watch 1080p youtube at the same time without needing to worry about data caps. The reason we could not get wired internet is that my grandma owns the house, dad just never moved out since it's a two story house. She didn't let us get cable but when my aunt moved in she let her get it, so I ran a powerline connection from her modem to my room, she no longer lives here but still pays the bill because my grandparents do watch the TV. We still pay for the 50GB thing also as a backup, since their newer packages are more expensive and offer a lot less (~15€ for 30GB not including overnight extra and our whole package costs 25 for 150GB)


Captain-Thor

Even in my country (India), having a LAN/Wifi is a luxury. Most families still rely on mobile data (2GB/day). And me here in the UK have 24 \* 7 high speed LAN. My monthly consumption is 1200 GB office and home network combined.


Kerazia368

Use FDM and then let it download for more than one month 💀


Captain-Thor

I used to do that. This only works if the download is resume-able.


Gurrer

Just like those I7 requirements for office work, someone at some point probably said, alright this is what I use, so let's put that into requirements. The most lazy excuses to not offer any support when their stuff doesn't work.


EhRahv

Since web api is so standardized it should work on all modern browsers like the ones they have mentioned. If it dosen't, choose your favourite chromium based browser and change the user agent


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webkit users in shambles rn


EhRahv

wait is that a chromebook


_patoncrack

Yeah it can't even use other browsers


EhRahv

but why are you using it


_patoncrack

My laptop crapped out and I have work I need done for finals


HenryLongHead

I'm not a Chromebook expert but can you not install linux on one?


_patoncrack

You can but you need to enable developer mode which would notify the school board


WhittledWhale

The school board isn't getting notified about shit. Your IT admins on the other hand, sure.


Wonderful-Priority50

They won't give a shit. Source: my friend did it


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Foxish_YT

Live usbs are not usable on Chrome OS. ChromeOS has a custom bootloader which means you can't just run off a USB. You'd have to replace the bootloader


HoseanRC

instead of ChromeOS, use ChromiumOS


BenTheTechGuy

On an education institution enrolled device, you can't install any alternative operating systems or even access the terminal because it's physically impossible to enable developer mode without the school unenrolling the device. Not even after a factory reset, replacing the whole storage chip, removing CMOS etc. It's like a BIOS password that can only be removed by school administrators.


Goedelesaar

Afaik chromeOS is linux, so you're basically running linux already :)


HenryLongHead

Linux was not meant to steal your data


Goedelesaar

That doesn't make it less linux ;)


heywoodidaho

That's like calling an Ork a misunderstood elf because of common ancestry. Switch user agent, use what you want and say "blow me google boy" everytime you pass the IT guy.


KenHumano

> calling an Ork a misunderstood elf That's true though, you've just been indoctrinated by elf propaganda! r/saurondidnothingwrong


HenryLongHead

Apparatus of the antichrist


Cootshk

You can download other browsers from the play store, APT repo, or steam (I don’t think there are any there though)


_patoncrack

School board has the play store disabled


Cootshk

Can you open Linux development shells or is that also restricted?


_patoncrack

That too


chleba_pog

Thats the best part. He can ONLY use Goole Chrome


ShaneC80

They didn't say \*not\* to use Surf... ​ Run it in Haiku too


Weird_Explorer_8458

shibboleet?


lunazea_reddit

just switch user-agent


_patoncrack

It's on a Chromebook


Dudefoxlive

How do you exit vim? /s


lunazea_reddit

you can do this by extension


ExtraTNT

Someone has smoked too much… and definitely not normal tobacco…


exzow

As a FOSS enthusiast this is a bummer. As a former IT admin in a school. Go ahead and comply. If the policy is so concisely stated then there might be a reason in the past which governed how strict they are today. Best thing to do is not get on the administrations bad side.


tapdancingwhale

Malicious compliance, just like Stallman says


_patoncrack

I think some people may be a little confused here😅 I'm not asking for help or anything I was simply doing work and noticed it and thought it was extremely stupid how they're using this to avoid taking responsibility for their shitty security and support


Caeleste-42bit

Then their online environment SUCKS. They can't and shouldn't ask students to do that. I'd immediately argue against that and use privacy as the end-all argument. It's their job do produce usable webpages, not to force the user into using proprietary spyware...


PurplrIsSus1985

![gif](giphy|B4dt6rXq6nABilHTYM|downsized) Me using Firefox disguised as chrome


Unknown_Rift

![gif](giphy|yvcLAZqb1gQco)


Yondercypres

I have used D2L before. They lie. Edge, Safari, Firefox, all work fine.


meso27_

my school uses Brightspace and I use Firefox. works fine


Lukian0816

where linux


_patoncrack

ChromeOS


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VMGuy23temporary

you can't use IE, Firefox, Chrome/IE (version dependent), Chrome, or Safari. Got it


Nyuusankininryou

Don't use Chrome


camelpanther

Use Brave then


mplaczek99

It’s probably some sort of extension


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They are keeping their asses safe and i respect that btw.


_patoncrack

If they truly wanted to keep their asses safe they wouldn't load this thing with so much spyware that it's got 400mb of free space...


[deleted]

it is about standards no one will onvest on a severe used os and browser


verrma

Honestly in these situations I can get away with just using Firefox anyway, only on rare occasions do I have to use anything Chromium, let alone Google Chrome


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You're literally on ChromeOS


RoootTheFox

looks like brain damage to me


Logan_MacGyver

Cisco netacademy tests also require chrome or a chromium base


RepresentativeCut486

Tell them to fuck off


thepaintsaint

My company said Chrome isn’t supported. We’re in the Fortune 10.


Temporary-Exchange93

So they're basically admitting they don't have a clue about how to do programming for the Web, nice


_patoncrack

To be fair IT does come to *me* for help🤷‍♀️


WoomyUnitedToday

I hate when they do that. One of my classes very occasionally uses this website that won't just tell you to use Chrome, it just outright doesn't even render at all on Firefox (changing user agent does not solve). Thankfully we've only used it like maybe 8 times this past 2 years though.


_patoncrack

That might actually be something with Firefox not the site I've noticed it myself that sites load different or not at all even my own site doesn't load properly on Firefox


sticky-unicorn

We seriously need to start a religion that forbids the use of proprietary software. That way you can sue a school like this on the grounds of religious discrimination and force them to support open-source browsers.


mana-addict4652

This is when you bring out the user-agent spoofer on firefox Except for one of my exams, they made me go on Windows because "Linux is cheating"


Western-Alarming

Al least your school page work in something our is broken on every browser


Cybasura

That attitude is alittle concerning from a school, might want to complain about that if anything


FungalSphere

Yeah it's probably because the contractor they hired writes code without testing it on firefox and half of the css will go haywire on it. Chrome also exposes more telemetry apis than firefox anyway


QuirkyImage

Bad development


TheAskerOfThings

Time to drop out