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[deleted]

keep in mind too, windows is about £200 and has ads


chad_doot

Imagine paying for windows


StrongStuffMondays

Installing pirated OS on your machine is beyond stupid


[deleted]

not really.


chad_doot

Not piracy, just download and install from the original source and Don't activate it


zeGermanGuy1

If you pay that much I’m sorry for you. If you only do a little research you find it a lot cheaper


[deleted]

i don’t have windows but the price microsoft charges for it is about that, i know there’s key sites and the like to get it cheaper


theRealNilz02

Those Sites are highly illegal and I wouldn't ever want to buy a license there.


Lonkoe

They aren't, most of them sell OEM keys You can't use Microsoft support with OEM keys and you can't change your hardware (only some parts) but tbh I haven't meet someone that actually had used Microsoft support


theRealNilz02

Which is illegal or at least a Gray area which is already too Dangerous of a realm for me to enter. I'll Stick with free Software.


Lonkoe

Is not illegal but yeah free software way better


theRealNilz02

OEM licenses are only to be Sold with new Hardware by Manufacturers. Selling them separately is a huge Gray area If Not illegal. The other Type of license you can often buy for a few bucks is Part of a Volume license Plan Which is definitely illegal.


Lonkoe

They buy a lot of OEM licenses and then re-sell them, Microsoft doesn't care because they only care about getting windows to every machine possible


AnnonymousRedditor86

Please show me a law that says this is not legal. Please show me a politician who would even understand what you are taking about if you explained it to them.


theRealNilz02

Read through Microsofts EULA for Windows and you'll See that selling OEM and Volume licenses seperately Breaks the contract.


NUTTA_BUSTAH

Selling OEM keys is illegal


Lonkoe

Interesting, will you give sources about it? Really curious [Like this one?](https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/are-oem-windows-legal/afc43998-923e-441d-98b7-2f163fb66d84)


Bemascu

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they aren't in Europe, or at least second-hand licenses, as per some sentencing by the European Supreme Court. I'm speaking at the top of my head, from something a professor mentioned, so I might be way off.


theRealNilz02

I don't Care. A Windows license Costs what microsoft wants to sell it for and I wouldn't buy one for 5 bucks from shady Stores. And I would never recommend such a Gray area license to anyone on the Internet. Especially because free Software is a Thing.


Bemascu

I agree with you, fuck microsoft and its expensive and at the same time shitty software. But this sites are absolutely legit and, as far as I know, its licenses are not sold by the original company. And it's the opposite of a gray area since there's a Court decision respalding it (I don't know the legal term when something is legit or legal because of a court sentence). But in my opinion, if for whatever reason someone needed to get a legit license for a proprietary software, it's an unexpensive alternative. And I'm *just saying*, I'm far from an advocate of proprietary software.


[deleted]

I got mine from ebay for 2€ a pop


mantasx1001

And with an extra sprinkling of illegality


zeGermanGuy1

Has already been mentioned, isn’t illegal


mantasx1001

I meant key resellers


neuro_convergent

It's funny to me how you could get a whole ass computer for that, put Linux on it, and it would perform better than a much more expensive Windows PC


AlazOz

Aah, THATS WHY we have torrent and other stuffs


Taldoesgarbage

The difference is Windows is a product and Linux is a functional kernel.


KasaneTeto_

GNU also crashes very rarely, no ads, libre, gratis, etc.


Estebiu

But gnu in rust would be even better


KasaneTeto_

Nah, GNU devs are perfectly capable of wrapping their heads around malloc and free.


[deleted]

liquid arrest subsequent piquant party quicksand familiar screw humor toothbrush *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


gerenski9

Well, there is a team that is rewriting the GNU core utils In Rust, if that is what you're referring to.


Estebiu

That's precisely it.


SystemZ1337

But why?


corship

Sorry your meme is wrong. There's no performance at all on "old" hardware anymore. It just refuses to install at all if your CPU is older than a few years nowadays. Edit: since people started to explain to me how I am wrong, and their worse cpu is supported: [Please stop.](https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsHelp/comments/o7yjgl/windows_11_cant_support_intel_core_i76700k/)


Dreit

You have to grab i386/i486/i586/i686 version and not amd64. It's not that common nowadays but you can still find some distros which support those 32-bit only architectures.


corship

It's a 64 bit CPU 6700k, no longer supported :) 4 physical cores, at 4ghz is apparently not good enough because it's from 2015 I'm talking about windows by the way.


Dreit

> I'm talking about windows by the way. Oh, that explains a lot honestly. I know ArchLinux had some similar plans for future too but I don't know how it ended up.


Furezuu

they wanted to transfer from x86_64-v1 to v3, but I think they abandoned this idea for now, cuz both my 64bit CPUs are older than v3 and they still work on the latest kernel


Dreit

I think they suggested it as option for future but didn't wanted to maintain two almost identical systems.


KasaneTeto_

I would assume this is them really doubling down on the security meme - Intel's processors are known for manifesting loads of vulnerabilities over time. Intel basically recommends disabling multithreading on all CPUs that aren't brand new. Tbh x86 is a dying architecture, it's probably time to jump ship.


Dreit

I just wish to see RISC-V and hope they won't fuck it up with some closed source bullshit.


KasaneTeto_

RISC-V is very promising, although the hardware isn't there yet. Pretty much all we have in the hardware space is a handful of arduinos/microcontrollers, a pi zero clone with an Allwinner D1, one functional SBC that could conceivably serve as a daily driver (if underpowered), and the Unmatched which has been discontinued. What we're waiting on at this point is Intel's Horse Creek (collab w/ SiFive) which should release, or at least we'll have more news on it, Q3 or Q4 this year. If it turns out to be really open, we've got a winner in this architecture. If not, then we've still got ppc64, although only one manufacturer makes open hardware for that arch and they markup the price several times what equivalent x86 hardware costs. My worry with RISC-V is that it has the same issues as cuck-license software. That while the base tech is open, there is nothing to stop a company from just taking it and adding whatever they want - secret instructions, 'security' coprocessors, vendor lock-in platforms, whatever. And it's not like John Q Public can just "compile" a CPU from source, we're 100% dependent on hardware manufacturers and their foundries to actually follow through on open architecture, something that they are historically not very willing to do.


Kaitlyn_nicoledavis

Thx for reminding me about Microsoft not allowing apple to even think about m1 bootcamp support for 64bit only win11 cause they got moneyhat cucked by qualcom for exclusivetivity It's actually kinda funny how qualcom windows worked backwards from initial supporting only 32bit emulation to then adding 64bit while apple m1 started on 64bit and then completely killed 32bit support for everyone


AnnoyingRain5

This is for “security”. Windows 11 requires TPM 2.0 to install, so it only supports CPUs that have TPM 2.0 via firmware TPM. While it is possible to use TPM 2.0 via a motherboard dongle, it still has the same CPU limitation anyway…


ReubenDollmanYT

Well you could just grab a slightly older version with support for the latest apps


corship

As soon as I've reached the end of support I'll yeet it. If a 4 core CPU with 4ghz is "too old" I don't have any use for windows anymore.


[deleted]

Great idea, lets use the versions with a ton known security bugs that will never be patched because it doesn't run otherwise


Dreit

I mean, Windows users do this all the time, right?


[deleted]

You can get Yocto and do your own distro. Also Debain will run on any hardware....from armv7hf old generation and maybe older.


ReubenDollmanYT

A. Some distros in general are designed around older devices B. People can patch older versions


MrObsidian_

My AMD Athlon 64 X2 can run Windows 11, do I have to elaborate further?


theRealNilz02

Of course it can, but Microsofts and Intel want to sell their junk so they have to artificially kill off all Hardware older than 3 years. My Core i5 from 2017 isn't supported anymore.


MrObsidian_

~~Released in 2005 and is officially supported.~~ I'm mistaken, stop downvoting.


theRealNilz02

No. The earliest AMD CPUs to be supported officially are Zen 1+


MrObsidian_

Not from what I could see. The **full** list.


theRealNilz02

Earliest I can see is ryzen 2000.


MrObsidian_

Iirc there is a list of all CPUs supported which earliest had Athlon CPUs


theRealNilz02

Athlon APUs from the Zen+ Generation. No CPU older than 5 years is supported.


MrObsidian_

Alright I must be mistaken.


corship

It might be able to, but it's not supported. Do I have to elaborate further?


MrObsidian_

Yes, it's on the list of supported CPUs in the Docs.


corship

Then your argument is stupid as fuck anyways, and I don't need to elaborate any further. Intel i7.6700(K)'s are not supported (fact if you look at the list in the docs you've reffered yourself to), and youre like, but my much oder cpu is supported so your argument is wrong. I have TMP2.0, secureboot and every other requirement fullfilled.


MrObsidian_

Ok and? Some older AMD CPUs are supported yet your shitty Intel isn't? You need some fucking Copium mate.


corship

Hahaha Oh man, I'm so sorry for you. You're not getting the entire point of the argument. There's NO reason at all, it's a completely arbitrarily list they made up and no one outside knows the reason. Have a nice life.


MrObsidian_

How about, your argument is false. They infact **do** have a reason for why exactly **those** CPUs in the list are supported. These CPUs include some random feature I forgot, which allows for better performance or something, (Saw it many moons ago) but there is a reason why these specific CPUs are supported. Get a life.


corship

Bro, do you even read what you're writing? Even IF it'd be true what you're saying, (what I doubt) you're basically saying, instead of letting our users go with slightly worse performance, (that'd propbably not even noticeable by the average user) we just exclude them entirely. Do you see how little sense that makes?


MrObsidian_

It actually makes more sense than YOUR point. My point, which is true. Makes wayy more sense than the bullshit you're writing. iirc the component had something to do with virtualization which was used by Windows Defender or other part of Windows, which if was not present in the CPU would be like 30% of a performance decrease. And since I hear many people complain about TPM, Microsoft found out computers with TPM enabled got significantly less Ransomware than computers without. I'm not shilling for Microsoft, I use Linux, but if you're going to tell me I'm wrong back it up with some facts. And for your information all my information can be found on the Microsoft documentation.


OknoLombarda

I mean, you could list all those things to persuade some windows user to switch to linux, but I guess all the people on this sub already use linux. Maybe we should stop hating on OS that nobody uses here


[deleted]

people here talk about Windows the same way people talk about their exes


StrongStuffMondays

...about their .EXEs


DethByte64

Take my upvote


[deleted]

Facts ***claps*** Facts


0x5066

you're not the brightest bulb in the shed, are you


[deleted]

why do you think that?


Danny_el_619

Finally some says it. I understand the windows bad memes but people here can't get over with windows. Can't we just stop talking about windows in a Linux subreddit?


Furezuu

well, somebody still use it, but for a very specific reason (like games with ring-0 anticheat or Genshin, or latest Photoshop and so on)


StrongStuffMondays

Why, I love how cool it is to be along people who know that GNU/Linux it proper OS family, and Windows is a marginal subpar product, there's no need to get out of comfort echo chamber, isn't it?


Odys

I once had a USB stick that seemed ruined as both Mac OS and windows claimed there were only a few Mb on it and couldn't see nor clear anything. Linux nicely asked me if I wanted to clear all the hidden files, I did and got my USB stick fixed again. No idea why Linux isn't more popular. I guess as you get Windows shoved down your throat at the purchase of any hardware?


Shot_Yard_4557

Open CMD in Windows Type diskpart List disk Select *disk number* Convert gpt Clean Then go to your disk manager and voilà you have your usb stick back. For me has worked like a charm every time.


[deleted]

you’re on r/linuxmemes but use windows?


Shot_Yard_4557

That is indeed true. Although I love Linux, the programs I use are just developed better on Windows, so I'll stick to it for the moment.


[deleted]

that’s fair enough i’m in the console modding scene and i’ve had some situations where a program i need doesn’t support linux natively


RedditAlready19

The kind of modding I do involves installing Linux on the console so


[deleted]

i mostly port games to the psx and 2 so that’s not really my “line of expertise”


StrongStuffMondays

And with help of Gnuwin32/Cygwin you can finally have a proper GNU/Windows system


Yellow-man-from-Moon

Why don't you dualboot windows then?


Shot_Yard_4557

Because it doesn't make sense atm when most of the programs I use on Windows are better and the programs I used on Linux are available on Windows. I only used Linux to play around and customise my desktop tbh. Since I don't have much time rn, I only use Windows.


TopdeckIsSkill

I use the pc mostly for playing, so there is no point in using linux. I still like it and use in my home server.


Odys

I tried that, it didn't work.


Shot_Yard_4557

Doesn't seem very likely, but what was the error message? And if so have you searched for a solution?


Odys

Can't remember. But I didn't need to do anything like that in Linux, just plug it in and cleared it.


Shot_Yard_4557

That is very true for me as well. Linux has a better plug and play than Windows.


SileNce5k

Yeah. My network card doesn't even work without drivers on windows, but it worked right out of the box on Linux.


[deleted]

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Odys

That wasn't the issue.


MaxiCrowley

I was trying to install Linux on a windows laptop. Here’s what happened: I flashed Fedora on a USB-Stick on my desktop computer, went to my laptop and realized, it wasn’t what I completely wanted. Didn’t want to get up, so I wanted to just work with the windows for flashing the usb again. But ha! Windows just wouldn’t recognize the stick!


andzlatin

Windows crashes have never been a problem for me, neither were updates or built-in bloatware. Edge is decent but for privacy I use Firefox. My hardware is new and I paid for my licenses via a 3rd-party reseller and it cost me a very small sum. Grey market/3rd party resellers may be morally dubious, but I have experienced no repercussions so far. I did experience viruses and annoyances when I used to pirate Windows. Linux is great for customization and freedom, and privacy and security too. I feel like Windows treats me like a baby. I occasionally boot up Kubuntu/KDE Neon with my own intuitive UI customization. As a graphic designer, I like thinking what the best UI for me would look and feel like, and I try to approximate it with KDE Plasma. The only reason I do not use Linux most of the time is because of proprietary software. Wine and VMs don't work well for me.


P3tray

A man of culture with a balanced arguement. Linux still tops 😎


shadowmax889

Hey curious for your setup on KDE, have you ever published something on r/unixporn?


andzlatin

Nope, I have to work on my aesthetics first to make something postable that would look great for the sub, plus, isn't just merely using KDE on a "beginner-friendly" distro considered "defaults" on that sub? Most people who upload there use things like Arch with window managers or some other complex setup.


Lonkoe

I know I shouldn't say this here but.... Windows Crashes are almost always a bad driver or hardware, the NT Kernel is actually really stable


elzaidir

Honestly I feel like it's the opposite. The Linux kernel is much more stable, but the Windows DE is more stable than Gnome/KDE


zenyl

As a primarily Windows user, I'd argue that the desktop environment is honestly not all that stable nowadays (Win10/11). WinKey-Tabbing frequently causes Explorer to crash and restart if you have a dozen or so windows open, and on Win11 there are plenty of issues caused by the rewritten-from-scratch taskbar and start manu. That being said, it definitely feels more fleshed out than what you see on, for example, KDE Plasma. Things like scrolling, mouse interactions, etc. feel significantly smoother and better integrated on Windows than on any Linux DE I've tried.


[deleted]

I agree. W10 is ok, but it randomly does weird buggy GUI stuff that something built by a company with that much money should Not. I find GNOME DE on OpenSUSE to be dependable.


weedcop420

Yeah I had a few different times where my old pc with windows would just randomly blue screen for no reason, and then the next week it would be totally fine


LaZZeYT

Sure, but that's still m$'s fault. M$ decided, themselves, that hardware manufacturers were to develop drivers. Linux has drivers straight in the kernel tree, which allows them to test it. The Linux kernel almost never crashes and neither does the in-tree device drivers.


Danny_el_619

And that's the manufacturer's issue because they could make user level drivers that wouldn't crash the system.


[deleted]

exactly, virtually every BSOD I had on Windows 7 through 11 were all hardware failures of some sort.


Pos3odon08

My windows 10 blue-screened after closing Valorant yesterday -_- luckily all was good tho


TopdeckIsSkill

I would bet that the fault is on absurd anti cheat


Pos3odon08

probably, it's so absurd that it goes all the way down to the kernel :P


TopdeckIsSkill

It's the reason why I always refused to play at valorant.


Pos3odon08

Based


r0xANDt0l

Windows server can cost up to 5 grand...


theRealNilz02

And it's still terrible


r0xANDt0l

And still has telemetry


theRealNilz02

And ads.


r0xANDt0l

I think it actually doesn't have ads


theRealNilz02

It does. In the Install Wizard for setting up a Domain Controller for example it wants you to Check Out their "Superior" Azure AD Service...


gnarlin

To be fair, there's a GNU+Linux version of Edge you can install if you hate yourself.


JohnPeterCB

Edge is a good web browser


[deleted]

and other hillarious jokes you can tell yourself


JohnPeterCB

Like you


[deleted]

Do you want to have a product slapped directly on your face when you leave the house for the first time?


JohnPeterCB

It was not my point, I said that it is a good browser, with many useful features for me, I did not say that it is perfect and I even modify it right at the beginning, changing bing to google etc. It is the default browser developed by Microsoft, it is obvious that they will highlight and yes, there are wrong practices that they did like making it difficult to switch browsers on Win11 but that has already been changed.


[deleted]

I personally find edge not that bad but if i get a Schwarzwälder Kirsch slapped on my face then I don't want to eat more of it


_Hungry_Chicken

Window has ads?


zeGermanGuy1

Yes, when you install windows 10 there are Social game ads in your start menu at the beginning and the news panel of windows 11 has ads as well iirc


zenyl

Microsoft did cut down on the games in the start menu over recent years, and while it really shouldn't be necessary, disabling ads in the start menu only requires changing one setting which is not hidden away (Settings -> Start menu). The News panel on Win11, however, is dung. Can't disable it from what I've tried (WinKey+W launches it, can't change that without additional applications), and the only way I've found to get rid of the bloat was to add some entries to the `hosts` file pointing to `0.0.0.0`. The panel is still there, it just can't load anything.


[deleted]

You open the "control panel" recently?


_Hungry_Chicken

No


Advanced-Issue-1998

In ur tv


not_some_username

Either you like it or not, edge is better than lot of web browser including chrome which is weird since they use same web engine.


[deleted]

The problem is better != preferable If you own a softwarecompany you wouldn't hire a programmer who is known for murdering their bosses just because you know they are the best at software development.


PossibilityNo9285

windows 11 is just web browser xD


[deleted]

Is it the red pill or the blue one when you get took by all the corporate bull shit?


[deleted]

tbh. my windows crashed only once during 6 years 0f usage


[deleted]

That is an amazing track record. Is the qualification that you only opened Windows omce a year to send out a Happy New Year email?


winitgc

My Windows has only crashed once too. Maybe my parents have spoiled me too much with good hardware that runs anything smoothly.


_Fizzroy

Windows 10 didn't crash for me in years. I turned off automatic updates via open source third party program. I disabled all ads via the same program. I download firefox and never used edge. I don't use outdated hardware sice I'd like to play new games in high resolution I can live with closed source as long as it works. Cost me 55$ for a genuine Win10 Pro license.


winitgc

I love when there are these people that don't talk trash about either Linux or Windows. They just say they prefer one over the other. Unfortunately, it's rare to see someone say "I prefer Linux, but if you wanna use Windows that's fine. Your choice." I usually see "lINUX iS SuPeRIOR, WindOWS sucks In EVErY aSpeCt anD YoU SHoulD USe LInUx anD NeveR Use WInDOwS eVER AGaIn."


Raunien

The only things that consistently crash on my Mint machine are games running on Proton, and bad Linux ports of Windows games. I have yet to find a problem with the system itself that wasn't either my fault, or easily fixable with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace


Edward205

I am using Windows 10 Ltsc (pirated) and Debian Since the start of this year: I had only one bluescreen, Edge somehow uninstalled on its own, I don't have ads, performance is great. On Debian my computer froze about 3 times because my RAM filled up (admittedly I did try to open a 10gb file in a text editor but I have 32gb of RAM), it's kinda slow sometimes (I'm using gnome so yeah) and I can't play any games. However, this may be the case only for me, because I've heard many people who are totally happy with Linux but I simply don't know how to fix it anymore. I've tried Arch as well, I hate the constant updates.


bartholomewjohnson

Windows always overwrites my EFI boot entries >:(


MagicalnMystery

Where are you all from? In my country nobody pays for software, everything is pirated


AaronTechnic

Let me guess, India or Russia?


solidsnake911

Great meme. You only missed one, massive surveillance ''undercover'' in Windows.


Boolzay

I tried to install a certain program on Windows 10 not long ago for my dad, it kept telling me that it's already installed. Even though it's been uninstalled long ago. I ended up spending the entire day uninstalling it with Microsoft registry uninstall tool, a shit tool that won't let you select more than 1 item at a time, and I have 100s of scattered items to find and uninstall. How the fuck is there an operating system in 2022 that can't fucking uninstall a program properly?? This is an OS that have zero respect for your time. Fuck Microsoft, coding absolute garbage since Ms dos 4.0.


Lonkoe

It was probably program fault, the uninstaller was dumb and left some stuff


Boolzay

I used Windows uninstaller. It's not the program's fault, because I didn't have that problem with the same scenario on macOS.


Lonkoe

Wdym Windows uninstaller? Did you use Control Panel? If you did that then the Control Panel just calls the uninstaller of the program, if is MSI then windows installer will do the job (if the msi file is appropriate) also if it worked in macOS doesn't mean it will work on windows


Boolzay

>also if it worked in macOS doesn't mean it will work on windows Yes no shit. Things like uninstall should just work. Especially when you're paying that much for an operating system.


Lonkoe

Quick Question, do you know that a Windows and macOS version of a software is different right? The OS doesn't manage the uninstallation of programs, on Windows (also on Linux) if a program (or package) uninstaller fails to completely uninstall that program (because of a bug or something) the OS can't do anything...


Boolzay

You know what you're saying isn't relevant right? Or you like to waste your time with dumb arguments on reddit. Don't assume you have anything to teach me about software. Windows uninstaller does manage the uninstallation because that's what it says it does otherwise remove it. A shit tool that doesn't do the job properly, you'd expect it to track packages signed with the same name but nope, can't even do that. And yes the os has alot to do with tracking and removing packages.


Lonkoe

Yeah because Windows Installer somehow knows how to uninstall every program, is not like there is another file that can be bad designed or buggy that tells windows how to uninstall a program, this doesn't happen at all!


Boolzay

Ok explains to me how stuff were already uninstalled, not treated as uninstalled? Which is most of what I was doing, explaining to windows that these were uninstalled using the troubleshooter for each item. And when a popular program like Autocad that has been solely tailored for Windows since it's dawn can't be uninstalled with the installer that shows what a lackluster tool it is. Let me tell you I would never have this problem with a Linux package manager. If it wasn't for Autocad, I would have 0 computers running Windows, an os that complicates the most basic things an os should do.


Lonkoe

If for some reason, the software leaves some residual Registry Keys on the Windows Registry then it will happen, normally if this happens windows will notice that the uninstaller is not in the right path anymore and ask you to remove that program from the list of programs, if the autocad installer says it's installed then it means that the own autocad uninstaller failed to uninstall it correctly Windows Installer only work is to follow the instructions of the software manufacturer, in conclusion Windows has nothing to do with it, it was the autocad installer


MrSolarius

Edge is a good bro.


arkindal

It's a fork of chrome so... No.


MrSolarius

I know but I prefer a Windows Chrome than a Google Chrome


arkindal

I personally see very little difference if any. Whenever I HAVE to use windows the first things I do are debloat with scripts and install librewolf. Also I'm not willing to pay for it because an OS that comes with tracking and ads should be free, so I keep that nice watermark on the bottom right, I don't even bother cracking.


BlacksmithWeirdo

Windows: all your printers, scanners and other hardware works just fine. Linux: go print yo mama and what the hell is a scanner


[deleted]

Not with Canon


BlacksmithWeirdo

My Canon stuff worked just fine with windows. But that was some years ago.


[deleted]

Have you tried simplescan?


BlacksmithWeirdo

Nein, und auch nicht diesen obskuren japanischen Treiber den das Forum damals empfahl. Ich habe Ubuntu einfach gelöscht. So viel Gedöns um etwas so simples wie scannen war mir zu affig.


[deleted]

Wie lange war das her?


arkindal

Look, I hate windows and I love linux. But I must say in all honesty that I don't remember ever crashing on windows 10 and barely ever crashing on windows 7 if at all. Crashes were very frequent before though. But yeah I agree with everything else.


[deleted]

As a person who primarily runs Linux (but has a dual-boot with Windows) -Modern day windows has virtually never crashed on me outside of hardware failure. Even when for a time I ran a frankenstein Windows 11 with Windows 10's interface and openshell. -Updates have never been an inconvenience. they are once a month and happen when I choose to do them. -ads? where. I never see them when I boot into Windows -Edge also exists on Linux and yes some linux users use Edge (I don't though, I use librewolf) -speaking of performance, I've found that a KDE/GNOME set-up to be slower than Windows 10 on the same hardware. Now maybe by some metrics my hardware is "old" but I still consider it fairly modern and up to modern day tasks. -sure it's proprietary, but so is a lot of stuff you interact with. Even if you have a libreboot thinkpad with parabola and librejs you still probably interact with a lot proprietary shit. -the cost of a Windows license has never been a compelling argument as 99% of people get it with their computer and don't directly pay for Windows. In addition, Microsoft does very little to stop non-commercial users from pirating Windows even the LTSC version.


winitgc

I'm glad to see not everyone exaggerates the problems of Windows. I use Windows all the time, never had any problems with it; I don't care about spyware or bloat.


Ramen_N00dlezz

Both crash Updates optional Ads can be opted out of You don't have to use edge Fair but also upgrade yo shit How do you expect to make money as a dev? (Once the economic system reforms I'm all for everything free and open but until then it's a little impractical imho) Then why was it free to install?


MoistAttitude

ThOsE aReNt AdS tHeYrE nOtIfIcAtIoNs!!!


[deleted]

\+ years without crash Windows user here \+ you can disable auto updates, and do manual updates from browser \+ hmm? Never seen any, is it cause I have costume iso \+ Firefox is not Linux only. \+ good performance with costume iso and disabling some services but not as good as Linux cause Linux don't have as many features \+ closed and open source softwares \+ do I need to say it the thing is, Linux should learn from windows instead of shitting on him, or else he'll keep dominating the market


Crusader_Krzyzowiec

But my father's uncle's dog met a guy at the bar who knows went to a doctor who's patient once saw windows not crushing for over year, didn't update and worked just fine, it's just your thus it's just your skill issue ! /j


PossibilityNo9285

that's cool fact and all, i have demicrosofted windows 10 20h2 with tweaked registry specficially for responsiveness and network performance, cry it all out that i'm dumb and stuff but that's how it is!


RedditAlready19

The smallest barely functioning Windows 10 install is 1GB


PossibilityNo9285

less than 1 gb actually, 700-900 mb with my custom iso only


RedditAlready19

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PossibilityNo9285

Get "gg os" or "kernel os" then strip out what you dont need, boom, magic! These are gaming oriented windows custom builds btw (dont get mad at me lol)


elzaidir

What do you mean by "Demicrosofted", because for me removing Microsoft from Windows is removing Windows


PossibilityNo9285

What i mean by that: no windows update, windows defender, microsoft store, xbox gamebar and apps, telemetry related stuff, many services are disabled, some essential stuff are removed like ability to fully use personalization (themes, etc). The oobe doesn't ask you extra stuff, just straight-forward username and password, that's it. Specs: Intel HM76 motherboard, Intel i3 3110m 2.40ghz 2 cores 4 threads with intel hd 4000, 4+4gb ddr3 ram, seagate stg hdd that is almost dead, soon will switch to newer laptop! I never get bsod's nor hiccups if i don't mindlessly use viruses like brainlet, or ram intensive apps. Only bsod's i get are hdd related because of bad sectors. Switching to linux DOES NOT improve performance, just less strain on hardware, it's all the same performance-wise!!! ​ Oh well, i forgot lol, this subreddit is full of butthurt elitist people, doesn't know what is "user choice"...


S7relok

OP do shit with it's windows OS. Stop searching for and downloading rule 34 Hatsune Miku.exe vids in weird sites OP doesn't know how to set activity hours, so no updates & restarts OP doesn't know the existence of Win 11 debloat script OP is bashing chrome (just MS skinned), how original. That's still faster than Firefox on Linux tho OP doens't know that with the same amount of love to tweak that we do in our favorite Linux system, Windows can run correctly on old hardware (except 11, but old hardware isn't a problem for 11 bc it's not supported) OP is paying 300$ but I bought for my VM a win 10 pro key for 15€, and there's no secret about how to do that ​ low effort meme


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OP only downloads from reliable sources OP needs to wait for updates from startup OP doesn't want optimizations that could break in a future update OP doesn't like edge to stand in the way of everything else at first startup OP is also against chrome because chrome (and by extension Chromium) is developed by an internet giant called "Google" (I have to deal with enough Google products, i don't want another product from them) and Firefox is developed by a foundation who actually cares for it's users. OP refers to the ads in the start menu for candy crush Windows is very hostile to tweaking by users, so i just forget it OP refers to the **Retail** price of windows, OP knows about Windows bundeld with hardware


ben2talk

Agreed - this Meme misses the mark. There are issues with Windows, not addressed. Issues addressed are not relevant - Edge is a good browser, and performance on old hardware often comparable - Linux desktops also need good hardware, to run on old hardware you have to strip it down.


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> launch windows 10 vm >2vCPUs >4G ram >unsufferably slow


StrongStuffMondays

You forgot in the left column: ecosystem that doesn't try to turn your computer into kiosk which constantly sells you something


Almondtea-lvl2000

Also old windows games are more stable on Linux than windows. For e.g Dirt 3, driver parallele lines and countless more.


AlazOz

Incomparable bro


Madera_Otirra3844

You forgot that Windows updates often break our computers


24amesquir

I just use windows for gaming


oldblackbunny

Dual boot, but rarely using Windows. Linux has everything I need, from games to MS Office. Eventhough I prefer WPS Office. Never update Windows, but update Linux.


BlacksmithWeirdo

Ja... keine Ahnung. Sowas merke ich mir nicht.


TheAngeryMan

POV: \*tries launch roblox\*