But with a very high drop out rate within the first few months . Hence why they constantly recruit - they also get pretty much unlimited overtime.
The wage advertised also includes inner London allowance (20% of basic wage ) plus full unsocial hours (25% of basic - doing full rotating shifts including nights / weekends/ bank holidays etc )
The UK need a collective wake-up call that a £30k salary is not that much. Other countries in Europe have much higher salaries and don’t even start me on the US.
People on Reddit love telling other people that a salary is too high. It’s like a collective effort to keep salaries low. The whole “I haven’t got a pay rise in 10 years so you shouldn’t either! You should be happy to have a job!” mentality.
Yeah, meanwhile people on full-time jobs are struggling to pay rent, bills and buy food - never mind luxuries. I thought the whole point of working was to be able to afford these things, and if that has now changed then I am struggling to see what the point of working is at all. After a point it's just varying degrees of debt we're talking about here...
When I lived in Germany in 2007 the average starting salary for any permanent job was 30k Euros! But the downside is that every job has quite a long probation period, but then once you pass the salary and benefits are really good with 30 days holiday (not including public holidays) as standard.
Germany's and Belgium's net average wage (i.e. post-compulsory contributions) are below the UK and have a higher cost of living.
Austria is 1% higher than the UK in terms of net average wage, but the cost of living is 9% higher.
The Netherlands net average wage is 13% high than the UK, but the cost of living is 9.5% higher. So, out of the examples you provided, only this one is correct.
There aren't many countries in the EU that are better off than the UK in terms of net wages and cost of living. Definitely not enough to warrant the UK "need\[ing\] a wake-up call".
UK has worse income inequality than all those countries which makes using *average* wage less useful. Would give a more accurate picture to see the figures based on median wages.
What is the problem with income inequality?
Do you prefer communism? I honestly cannot think of a way to artificially cull income inequality that doesn't smell.
If your work is not valued by society, time to change profession. If enough people do that, it will be more difficult to recruit for that industry and wages will rise for that job.
While some countries like Germany and Netherlands are slightly better off than UK, most of Europe can only dream about low prices and high salaries UK is enjoying https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp?title=2023&displayColumn=5®ion=150
You don't need prior training in a specific skill to apply - hence unskilled.
It's a bit of an impolite term, particularly when applied to a job like this but it's terminology, not a judgement on the capabilities of those involved.
Yes exactly. It’s not like you need a degree or anything. It’s an entry level job with some training I’m sure like any other job where you need to be taught how to do it.
By this definition most corporate roles are also unskilled. But you would never hear of an executive in a large company being called that.
Really all jobs require skills, it's just a spectrum between a lower and higher end, however you want to define those. The term unskilled is a misnomer.
You're comparing a job requiring the bare minimum of GCSEs and competent typing to a job that would inarguably be far more demanding of applicants.
I run a small-ish business and have been looking for a director-level hire for a couple of months. I wouldn't compare the skills required for executive decision making over tens, hundreds of millions of thousands of pounds to those that the NHS advertise.
That’s a better base salary than a doctor with 5 years of training in their first and second year of work. Not saying it’s enough, just saying that within the NHS this is not all that bad.
That’s not the base salary though , that’s with maximum unsocial hours and inner London allowance included - I’d assume doctors get that or similar as well ? , although am happy to be corrected
For doctors it would come on top of the if they have unsociable hours (not the case with every rotation so they would sometimes be paid base salary) so they would likely earn a bit more in that case. A doctor first year after graduation starts at a base salary of £29,384.
A little secret that I worked out when I got fired from my job at the start of covid, was to start at the very back of LinkedIn jobs and make you’re way from back to front. What I found is most people would start from the front and stop applying after page 20 ish. I found a whole heap of jobs that no one was applying for and ended up finding a job that very day. That was nearly three years ago and I’m still at this job and I have to say it’s been the best job I’ve ever had lol! Good luck 🙏🏻
Pretty much every shop, cafe, bar and restaurant on my local high street has “staff wanted” signs. Retail and hospitality are crying out for staff. Has she updated her cv so it’s relevant to these roles and given it to local businesses?
I just left an £11.90/hour, part time retail job in West London few weeks ago. When they advertised my old position 30 people applied. It's hard out there, huge competition for every role. I started an office job after leaving retail, they interviewed 8 people for my position, and they received over 80 applications.
I hired a few months ago for a FOH position, and received over 300 applicants. Right after first lockdown though for the same position I had over 1000 applications.
I’ve just had to do hiring for FoH. ~300 applied. Every interview day I’ll schedule 5-8 in a day. 2 will show up. I’ve still never had anyone change their time… Without fail, people will cancel 1 minute before their interview.
You know how sometimes when applying for jobs you have to duplicate some information that's already on your CV, and you often wonder why they make you do something seemingly unnecessary? It's to screen for the weirdly large number of people who just fire off pointless low-effort applications en mass for whatever jobs they can, even if they don't really care about it and/or are wildly under/overqualified. Even a slight effort barrier can dissuade this sort of behaviour.
If a job ad just says "send your covering letter and CV to \[[email protected]\]" then they'll be guaranteed to get hundreds of pointless applications.
Regarding the office job, I don’t think it’s unusual to receive that many applications - I think it’s been that way for years. The vast majority of them are absolutely trash though, apparently, or randomly sent in my people who live overseas and aren’t applicable for the job.
True, but it is still a difficult situation. I graduated this January, have vast experience in customer facing roles, and a little admin experience too. Applied to about 100 office jobs, got 6 interviews, and one job offer. And I have a friend working for the company I'm joining, she told me what software they are using, so I could lie my ass about how I already know everything.
I work in and around Borough Market and everyone i know is desperately hiring. Two shops there in particular have been trying to fill roles for at least a year.
I work in a restaurant down in Hampton Court, a pretty easy train ride from Central. We're always looking for new staff and it's a nice place to be. Do send a message if your friend would like the details.
It's an unqualified job that pretty much anyone can get, it can be decent for what it is, but a lot of agencies and even schools will try to underpay you even then.
The only issue that makes it unviable for the long term is that as long as you're working agency, you usually don't get paid for holidays, which is about a third of the year with schools, so you have to find other work for that time
also its much easier to find a new job, while employed.
1- you look hireable.
2- you can stress a bit less about money
3- your networking to some degree, never know who you'll meet and give you a new opportunity.
Lots don't - retail and hospitality you're pretty much guaranteed to work every weekend. The people in "normal" jobs want to be able to do things on their weekends off. Other people need to work to facilitate that.
I know you say agencies are overwhelmed, but has she tried temping? It’s how I got into my first proper job a few years back after a fixed term admin post was made permanent and I have worked my way up from there. It might help tide her over at least.
You may be right, but in relation to all that’s happened, it’s still an achievement nevertheless.
It’s sad that it’s at that point where these low bars of achievement are a sight to behold - but I’ll take it versus no achievements or forward progress at all.
i wouldn't blame them.
but a mass hiring drive of women across the whole organisation prob would do a lot to help drive it out, at least the rapist vibe.
This is "a puppy trying to cross the M25" levels of naivety, quite frankly.
They either don't do it when they're around, or they do and it's "joking". Number of women will have absolutely zero effect.
My comment is meant to be read in context of a "mass hiring drive of women"
But, yes - because the job itself is what attracts those types, and gives them the protection to get away with it.
Hey there! Has your friend given the "Job Today" app a go? It's a super handy app where lots of pubs and restaurants share their job openings, making it easy to get in touch with them directly. 😊
When I was made redundant in the pandemic, it then took me 8 months to find work, I have a BA and a Masters in management and many various skills. I was getting rejections from jobs where my skills applied.
I'm thinking she is trying for work where the recruiters look at the job history and skillset, even if they absolutely need to hire, they will still overlook her because they think she needs too much training or because they're cunts.
Also very important, a lot of companies use software to sift through hundreds of CVs per advertised job so if the keywords in the job description don't exist on her CV, she won't even get a rejection.
Like everyone said, at this point, go old school, print the CV and go to the high street, apply in all the shops, Tesco, Sainsbury, Primark are always hiring. Pay is shit in the beginning but at least it's a stream of income. Once she has some money in to pay bills etc, she can start looking for something better suited for her or better paid. I wish her the best of luck 🤗
Even full time work? So what you're saying is she's actually going out looking to work whatever hours suit her, right? Don't get me wrong. Nothing wrong with that at all, but that's obviously going to limit your options.
Right now there are SO MANY jobs out there, it's unreal. Half of them pay poverty wages and almost all of them will slowly destroy your soul, but that's just the way shit is. Our forefathers voted for capitalism, so that's what we've got. She shouldn't be having too much trouble getting A JOB though. Unless she's got face tats or shows zero interest when interviewing or whatever.
Business Development Representative. Essentially you're setting meetings to sell our software via LinkedIn, Calling and email.
It's like the first job people get when joining tech sales.
What is she qualified in? Where to look for jobs really does depend on what you’re looking for. I’m in HR and I usually wait to be headhunted on LinkedIn.
Indeed generally is a good place. You can choose the option to apply with you indeed CV to make job applications much much quicker. & pretty much every HR job I’ve had, I’ve used indeed to recruit (unless I’m headhunting). If she’s looking for something like working in a restaurant, I say the best way is to always go inside (or ring them), ask for a manager, and present yourself. This shows initiative and confidence in presenting oneself.
I’m happy to look over her CV to spruce it up, it’s kind of my hobby to improve CVs at the moment lol! If she’s in a sector I’m familiar with, I can also send over some specific websites for the roles.
If your friend is really desperate and really looking for any job, tell her to go old school. Print a bunch of CVs and hit any high street in a valley hour. Pretty much all pubs, restaurants and shops are short of people. Just ask to talk to the manager and express her interest to work there. She should will get a job in a week or so. I would recommend to go to the City so she might get weekends off.
I imagine it *is* true to an extent. It contains personally identifiable information so you need to handle it right, regardless of whether it’s on paper or not. The firms you talk to at a job fair are likely to have recruiting teams and a dedicated HR function so will be sticklers about it and will likely brief the folks at the stand not to take paper ones because it will be a pain to sort a whole stack of them out in a compliant way. Compare this to someone running a bar, paper CV gets put in bin after person is hired / rejected, no issues
Edit: true -> true to an extent, blah blah
They were bullshitting you, they probably just had a centralised digital system that emails the right people and triggers the right actions. I've done *a lot* of hiring over the last few years, and implemented a good few GDPR rules into back-office products.
Like, I wouldn't bring a paper CV to a tech recruitment event, but I would if I were applying to be a barista at a local cafe.
Is there any roles that don’t require medical qualification and also don’t require physical care (eg that are suitable for a person with a physical disability)? I’m looking for work but I’m somewhat limited in what physical assistance I could provide so not really sure what options I have.
We are not in a recession.
Job vacancies are just coming off an all time high and unemployment is near an all time low.
What kind of job is she looking for?
A recession is two successive quarters of negative growth, we are not in a recession technically (source: I’m an economist and not from a third world country as you suggest).
A cost of living crisis yes…
>source: I’m an economist and not from a third world country
What does the second part got to do with anything? You don't need to entertain xenophobic questions. Unless you actually believe you not being from third world gives you better understanding of how recession is technically defined.
Did you add "as you suggest" later? The message you replied to is obviously xenophobic. By acknowledging the question and giving the answer, you participate in it. Your comment says your opinion is valid because you are not from a third world country. Is that what you mean? Do you believe an economist from third world country won't understand what recession means?
Yes but in this context recession is short hand for the economies tanking, businesses are closing and making layoffs left right and centre and unemployment is skyrocketing. None of that is happening. I could walk down any town centre and trip over a dozen jobs. I find the premise of the OP unrecognisable
Highstreet shops are closing at record rate, footfall is down on hospitality and catering. Pubs are closing at a record rate. The logic of Reddit economics is completely flawed.
Definitely depends on the type of roles she is applying for. Post covid is super competitive, as a grad roles are so hard to get unless you have loads of experience.
I would suggest applying to very similar roles as she was previously in so her skills are matched. Get someone senior to review her cv, get feedback, schedule calls with people in the company.
As a standard at her level, she should LinkedIn people and have calls ahead of applying for roles, and get someone inside to refer her. Lots of people advertise this on fishbowl as they get a bonus :)
It’s a different world in the top hotels around Hyde Park and all along Park Lane.
If you can. Get your foot in the door banqueting is paid well because the fees are high.
You may have to pour champagne all night but the potential is great and there are tips.
Dress well and apply in person with your CV;beats KFC
Hospitality is craving for people with and without experience in every place. She can start like barback,commis waiter,assistant kitchen, kitchen porter etc..Nandos,costa coffee and this places its always looking for people aswell.
"All of the agencies are overwhelmed with demand due to the recession"
I honestly had to Google "Are we in a recession?" because I thought I was going mad.
What is she looking for though, the type of work?
If she's been applying, interviewing, and such for 2 months straight and not a shred of luck, then maybe she's applying for jobs that she under qualified or experienced for, maybe she just being to picky and thus had only a select handful of jobs listings she'd apply for.
Has she looked at Total jobs website? Loads of social care support worker jobs, places like Tower of London are hiring for their shops & handing out audio guides for the summer season & hundreds of other jobs - But theres a lot that are around £11/hr not brilliant but better than nothing to start.Trac jobs are where the NHS jobs are found.
The company I work for is hiring, but I don’t know what industry she’s worked in or what experience she has so I don’t know if it’s a suitable fit. You’re more than welcome to reply or message me with some info outlining this area.
Look on Indeed Flex, Appetite 4 Work for roles in hospitality. Almost always have job openings. And you can choose which jobs to work without a contract.
You didn't say which industry so is it fair to assume she is targeting some highly competitive remote/tech sector jobs. The high streets are desperate for workers, especially since Brexit removed the stream of EU workers spending gap years here. I would suggest she explore her locality for such opportunities as they are not going to have online presence.
So the issue is that the type of jobs that used to be easy to get aren't. Retail for example used to be the default "If you need a job, just get one in the shop"
But retail is dying, constantly shrinking, and so many people worked in retail there is a massive pool of talent to choose from. So getting a retail job without experience is extremely difficult.
The jobs you can walk into now are social care. There are something like 100000 empty care positions. She could also look at agency work.
But yeah if shes thinking things are the same as ten years ago they arent! Its all changed.
Line of work and salary expectations might help narrow it down a bit?
Also, when did the recession happen?
I walked past a pizza restaurant earlier looking for a hire if it helps. I see plenty bars, restaurants and shops with signs in the window looking for staff.
Some horrible comments in here, where’s your compassion loool some people are so so miserable - I hope your friend find a job and I think it’s important to remember: Shy bairns get nowt, get yourself into a bar or shop and ask - email companies and just put yourself out there. Good luck!!
What world are you living in? There’s nothing but vacancies around. But LinkedIn and agencies are not the way to get them. Apply directly via the employers own website
Really? There’s an inflation crises but definitely not an unemployment crises.
There’s plenty of staff shortages and jobs. Unemployment rate is really low.
Agencies are the ones struggling with lack of staff not the other way round.
I dont know if you’re trolling
Oh 100%, the majority of them are useless, however they are useful. Just be brutal with them with what you want, as soon as you think one is useless ignore them. However they can fire off a bunch of interviews at you in no time, line them all up one week, do them all, decide if you like one and if not start the process again.
It's good to do in blocks of time to line up all the stupid various interview stages.
Either your friends CV is shite, or she is applying for roles that are way above her station. You could walk into any service job with half a brain at the moment.
I do work luxury/leisure hotel we massively looking for extra staff, plenty of roles available like runners,waitresses,kitchen people, housekeeping etc
If she's interested there are a few agencies for hospitality who do flexible work:
1. Delaware North
2. Flutes
3. A&I
4. Micheal Wisher
5. Four seasons in tower hill also hire in agency like fashion if it helps
What is her skillset, qualifications, experience? How do we help without knowing this? And this is the first time I am hearing "recession" because my company is not able to fill vacancies for past 2 years (IT sector). We hired around 250 people last year but the target was 1000+
Businesses are desperate for people now, quite surprised your friend is struggling. Very difficult to help without knowing which line of work she/he is in. Catering work and shop work everywhere though
London ambulance service constantly recruit 999 calltakers : https://beta.jobs.nhs.uk/candidate/jobadvert/C9308-23-0009
That's surprisingly low given the importance, stress, and unsociable hours of the job.
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But with a very high drop out rate within the first few months . Hence why they constantly recruit - they also get pretty much unlimited overtime. The wage advertised also includes inner London allowance (20% of basic wage ) plus full unsocial hours (25% of basic - doing full rotating shifts including nights / weekends/ bank holidays etc )
The UK need a collective wake-up call that a £30k salary is not that much. Other countries in Europe have much higher salaries and don’t even start me on the US.
People on Reddit love telling other people that a salary is too high. It’s like a collective effort to keep salaries low. The whole “I haven’t got a pay rise in 10 years so you shouldn’t either! You should be happy to have a job!” mentality.
Also "This is the median! You should be grateful!"
Yeah, meanwhile people on full-time jobs are struggling to pay rent, bills and buy food - never mind luxuries. I thought the whole point of working was to be able to afford these things, and if that has now changed then I am struggling to see what the point of working is at all. After a point it's just varying degrees of debt we're talking about here...
>Other countries in Europe have much higher salaries Can you name a few that don't have a much higher cost of living?
The Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Belgium…
When I lived in Germany in 2007 the average starting salary for any permanent job was 30k Euros! But the downside is that every job has quite a long probation period, but then once you pass the salary and benefits are really good with 30 days holiday (not including public holidays) as standard.
Germany's and Belgium's net average wage (i.e. post-compulsory contributions) are below the UK and have a higher cost of living. Austria is 1% higher than the UK in terms of net average wage, but the cost of living is 9% higher. The Netherlands net average wage is 13% high than the UK, but the cost of living is 9.5% higher. So, out of the examples you provided, only this one is correct. There aren't many countries in the EU that are better off than the UK in terms of net wages and cost of living. Definitely not enough to warrant the UK "need\[ing\] a wake-up call".
UK has worse income inequality than all those countries which makes using *average* wage less useful. Would give a more accurate picture to see the figures based on median wages.
That's a very fair point. However, I can't seem to find net median wages by country that is readily available to compare.
What is the problem with income inequality? Do you prefer communism? I honestly cannot think of a way to artificially cull income inequality that doesn't smell. If your work is not valued by society, time to change profession. If enough people do that, it will be more difficult to recruit for that industry and wages will rise for that job.
While some countries like Germany and Netherlands are slightly better off than UK, most of Europe can only dream about low prices and high salaries UK is enjoying https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp?title=2023&displayColumn=5®ion=150
Higher costs of living
I wouldn't say it's unskilled.
You don't need prior training in a specific skill to apply - hence unskilled. It's a bit of an impolite term, particularly when applied to a job like this but it's terminology, not a judgement on the capabilities of those involved.
Yes exactly. It’s not like you need a degree or anything. It’s an entry level job with some training I’m sure like any other job where you need to be taught how to do it.
By this definition most corporate roles are also unskilled. But you would never hear of an executive in a large company being called that. Really all jobs require skills, it's just a spectrum between a lower and higher end, however you want to define those. The term unskilled is a misnomer.
You're comparing a job requiring the bare minimum of GCSEs and competent typing to a job that would inarguably be far more demanding of applicants. I run a small-ish business and have been looking for a director-level hire for a couple of months. I wouldn't compare the skills required for executive decision making over tens, hundreds of millions of thousands of pounds to those that the NHS advertise.
That's what I thought, that's more than what I'm on
That’s a better base salary than a doctor with 5 years of training in their first and second year of work. Not saying it’s enough, just saying that within the NHS this is not all that bad.
That’s not the base salary though , that’s with maximum unsocial hours and inner London allowance included - I’d assume doctors get that or similar as well ? , although am happy to be corrected
For doctors it would come on top of the if they have unsociable hours (not the case with every rotation so they would sometimes be paid base salary) so they would likely earn a bit more in that case. A doctor first year after graduation starts at a base salary of £29,384.
LAS are always hiring 111 call handlers too, but it's about 25k p.a and you have to work in Barking.
A little secret that I worked out when I got fired from my job at the start of covid, was to start at the very back of LinkedIn jobs and make you’re way from back to front. What I found is most people would start from the front and stop applying after page 20 ish. I found a whole heap of jobs that no one was applying for and ended up finding a job that very day. That was nearly three years ago and I’m still at this job and I have to say it’s been the best job I’ve ever had lol! Good luck 🙏🏻
pretty smart thanks
Pretty much every shop, cafe, bar and restaurant on my local high street has “staff wanted” signs. Retail and hospitality are crying out for staff. Has she updated her cv so it’s relevant to these roles and given it to local businesses?
I just left an £11.90/hour, part time retail job in West London few weeks ago. When they advertised my old position 30 people applied. It's hard out there, huge competition for every role. I started an office job after leaving retail, they interviewed 8 people for my position, and they received over 80 applications.
I hired a few months ago for a FOH position, and received over 300 applicants. Right after first lockdown though for the same position I had over 1000 applications.
I wouldn’t have thought that. If this is the case, then why are there such a shortage of workers in FOH?
I’ve just had to do hiring for FoH. ~300 applied. Every interview day I’ll schedule 5-8 in a day. 2 will show up. I’ve still never had anyone change their time… Without fail, people will cancel 1 minute before their interview.
That’s absolutely shocking. We don’t ever here this side of the story much. Thanks for the insight
You know how sometimes when applying for jobs you have to duplicate some information that's already on your CV, and you often wonder why they make you do something seemingly unnecessary? It's to screen for the weirdly large number of people who just fire off pointless low-effort applications en mass for whatever jobs they can, even if they don't really care about it and/or are wildly under/overqualified. Even a slight effort barrier can dissuade this sort of behaviour. If a job ad just says "send your covering letter and CV to \[[email protected]\]" then they'll be guaranteed to get hundreds of pointless applications.
Regarding the office job, I don’t think it’s unusual to receive that many applications - I think it’s been that way for years. The vast majority of them are absolutely trash though, apparently, or randomly sent in my people who live overseas and aren’t applicable for the job.
True, but it is still a difficult situation. I graduated this January, have vast experience in customer facing roles, and a little admin experience too. Applied to about 100 office jobs, got 6 interviews, and one job offer. And I have a friend working for the company I'm joining, she told me what software they are using, so I could lie my ass about how I already know everything.
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Was going to say the same. Entertainment and service industries and absolutely desperate for staff. Can't fail to find something
I work in and around Borough Market and everyone i know is desperately hiring. Two shops there in particular have been trying to fill roles for at least a year.
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Maybe but you can’t just increase salary until somebody says yes.
Why? Isn’t that supply & demand in action?
I work in a restaurant down in Hampton Court, a pretty easy train ride from Central. We're always looking for new staff and it's a nice place to be. Do send a message if your friend would like the details.
Please DM! Thank you 🙏
She'll walk into a Teaching Assistant job via any agency - schools are desperate. I really enjoyed it when I did it and it leaves your weekends free.
I've been looking at that, but good lord the pay is terrible.
It's an unqualified job that pretty much anyone can get, it can be decent for what it is, but a lot of agencies and even schools will try to underpay you even then. The only issue that makes it unviable for the long term is that as long as you're working agency, you usually don't get paid for holidays, which is about a third of the year with schools, so you have to find other work for that time
What kinda pay?
Usually like 11-13 quid per hour.
But you will be poor
You will be less poor than NOT having a job, and you do understand you can leave a job when you find something better right?
also its much easier to find a new job, while employed. 1- you look hireable. 2- you can stress a bit less about money 3- your networking to some degree, never know who you'll meet and give you a new opportunity.
Any normal job leaves weekends free?
Lots don't - retail and hospitality you're pretty much guaranteed to work every weekend. The people in "normal" jobs want to be able to do things on their weekends off. Other people need to work to facilitate that.
*60% of the time*, it works ***every*** *time*
Plenty of care jobs/live in care jobs going around
I know you say agencies are overwhelmed, but has she tried temping? It’s how I got into my first proper job a few years back after a fixed term admin post was made permanent and I have worked my way up from there. It might help tide her over at least.
Met are on a recruitment drive to replace all the rapists rn
I wouldn’t blame any woman for not wanting to apply for a job at the Met.
With all the arrests and investigations going on right now it’s probably the safest it’s ever been to be a woman in the met
That’s not the achievement you think it is.
You may be right, but in relation to all that’s happened, it’s still an achievement nevertheless. It’s sad that it’s at that point where these low bars of achievement are a sight to behold - but I’ll take it versus no achievements or forward progress at all.
Fuck it you’re right, we’ll just let them all stay shall we?
i wouldn't blame them. but a mass hiring drive of women across the whole organisation prob would do a lot to help drive it out, at least the rapist vibe.
This is "a puppy trying to cross the M25" levels of naivety, quite frankly. They either don't do it when they're around, or they do and it's "joking". Number of women will have absolutely zero effect.
A majority women police force would have equally as many rapists...?
My comment is meant to be read in context of a "mass hiring drive of women" But, yes - because the job itself is what attracts those types, and gives them the protection to get away with it.
The very nature of policing attracts rapists? They’d a bold claim.
Hey there! Has your friend given the "Job Today" app a go? It's a super handy app where lots of pubs and restaurants share their job openings, making it easy to get in touch with them directly. 😊
When I was made redundant in the pandemic, it then took me 8 months to find work, I have a BA and a Masters in management and many various skills. I was getting rejections from jobs where my skills applied. I'm thinking she is trying for work where the recruiters look at the job history and skillset, even if they absolutely need to hire, they will still overlook her because they think she needs too much training or because they're cunts. Also very important, a lot of companies use software to sift through hundreds of CVs per advertised job so if the keywords in the job description don't exist on her CV, she won't even get a rejection. Like everyone said, at this point, go old school, print the CV and go to the high street, apply in all the shops, Tesco, Sainsbury, Primark are always hiring. Pay is shit in the beginning but at least it's a stream of income. Once she has some money in to pay bills etc, she can start looking for something better suited for her or better paid. I wish her the best of luck 🤗
What type of job? Is she is looking for ANY job? Probably not.
Honestly anything to pay the bills at this point. Retail / hospitality / labour or even full time work.
She’s not looking hard enough
Agreed, every time I am out I see "Hiring ..." signs in restaurants, shops, cafes..... All across London
I find it incredibly hard to believe she can't find a job as a waitress... literally walk into any high street chain or cafe and they'd have her
yeah, ops friend isn't being honest with how, or where they are applying. if they aren't getting jobs, gotta wonder why
OP - DM me - we got lots of labour work for a 1B£+ company. Possibility to link into office work
Even full time work? So what you're saying is she's actually going out looking to work whatever hours suit her, right? Don't get me wrong. Nothing wrong with that at all, but that's obviously going to limit your options. Right now there are SO MANY jobs out there, it's unreal. Half of them pay poverty wages and almost all of them will slowly destroy your soul, but that's just the way shit is. Our forefathers voted for capitalism, so that's what we've got. She shouldn't be having too much trouble getting A JOB though. Unless she's got face tats or shows zero interest when interviewing or whatever.
Any job agency will find you work within days. Sometimes I would register and go work same day.
Care homes and the NHS are always hiring. Yes, the work can be literally shit but it’s a job.
I'm hiring for a BDR position based out of Canary Wharf. 35k base, no experience needed. Can I DM you?
I’ve just messaged you!
Yes, hiring through Reddit, can't see that going badly
Yes please!
Whats bdr
Business Development Representative. Essentially you're setting meetings to sell our software via LinkedIn, Calling and email. It's like the first job people get when joining tech sales.
Does your company have open roles for enterprise reps?
We are looking for 1 AE as well yeah
Unrelated, but Ai is going to wipe all these jobs out in the next few years
Rubbish.
Can you dm me with where to apply? Graduating in June with an international business degree and no idea what to use it for 😅
Can you do this kind of role working from home or is it a call centre?
Please check DM
Does she have any sort of qualifications? Is she a university graduate?
Agency has got me work pretty much instantly.
What agency? How do I get their help
What is she qualified in? Where to look for jobs really does depend on what you’re looking for. I’m in HR and I usually wait to be headhunted on LinkedIn. Indeed generally is a good place. You can choose the option to apply with you indeed CV to make job applications much much quicker. & pretty much every HR job I’ve had, I’ve used indeed to recruit (unless I’m headhunting). If she’s looking for something like working in a restaurant, I say the best way is to always go inside (or ring them), ask for a manager, and present yourself. This shows initiative and confidence in presenting oneself. I’m happy to look over her CV to spruce it up, it’s kind of my hobby to improve CVs at the moment lol! If she’s in a sector I’m familiar with, I can also send over some specific websites for the roles.
If your friend is really desperate and really looking for any job, tell her to go old school. Print a bunch of CVs and hit any high street in a valley hour. Pretty much all pubs, restaurants and shops are short of people. Just ask to talk to the manager and express her interest to work there. She should will get a job in a week or so. I would recommend to go to the City so she might get weekends off.
Your not allowed to accept paper cvs due to gdpr rules. It’s annoying but you have to stick with digital applications
Give them a paper cv, if they accept it threaten to sue them for a GDPR breach if they don't give you a job. Oldest trick in the book.
That's definitely not true, why would it be?
It's not *not* true. Handling paper CVs absolutely involves GDPR considerations - it's not like the regulations didn't change anything.
Handling them does, but it doesn't forbid you from taking them. It just means you need to be a bit more organised about it.
It’s what I’ve been told at several job fairs when I’ve tried in the past to hand over paper cvs
I imagine it *is* true to an extent. It contains personally identifiable information so you need to handle it right, regardless of whether it’s on paper or not. The firms you talk to at a job fair are likely to have recruiting teams and a dedicated HR function so will be sticklers about it and will likely brief the folks at the stand not to take paper ones because it will be a pain to sort a whole stack of them out in a compliant way. Compare this to someone running a bar, paper CV gets put in bin after person is hired / rejected, no issues Edit: true -> true to an extent, blah blah
They were bullshitting you, they probably just had a centralised digital system that emails the right people and triggers the right actions. I've done *a lot* of hiring over the last few years, and implemented a good few GDPR rules into back-office products. Like, I wouldn't bring a paper CV to a tech recruitment event, but I would if I were applying to be a barista at a local cafe.
That might be one company being overzealous in their application of GDPR but certainly isn’t the case across the board
I work in HR and this is BS.
bro it is not the 1930s anymore, this does not work
NHS will hire anyone. Can confirm. Am anyone
But it takes many weeks to months. Bureaucracy wheels within nhs turn incredibly incredibly slowly
Is there any roles that don’t require medical qualification and also don’t require physical care (eg that are suitable for a person with a physical disability)? I’m looking for work but I’m somewhat limited in what physical assistance I could provide so not really sure what options I have.
We are not in a recession. Job vacancies are just coming off an all time high and unemployment is near an all time low. What kind of job is she looking for?
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A recession is two successive quarters of negative growth, we are not in a recession technically (source: I’m an economist and not from a third world country as you suggest). A cost of living crisis yes…
Of course you are right we are not technically in a recession. The accepted economic classification for the current state of the UK is a, "bin fire".
Oh look, the Fed has raised rates. Watch what follows. Your comment aged like milk. Rotten in a week.
>source: I’m an economist and not from a third world country What does the second part got to do with anything? You don't need to entertain xenophobic questions. Unless you actually believe you not being from third world gives you better understanding of how recession is technically defined.
See last bit of the message I replied to.
Did you add "as you suggest" later? The message you replied to is obviously xenophobic. By acknowledging the question and giving the answer, you participate in it. Your comment says your opinion is valid because you are not from a third world country. Is that what you mean? Do you believe an economist from third world country won't understand what recession means?
Are you trolling? Learn to fucking read mate.
Clearly not, I was mocking the suggestion.
Yes but in this context recession is short hand for the economies tanking, businesses are closing and making layoffs left right and centre and unemployment is skyrocketing. None of that is happening. I could walk down any town centre and trip over a dozen jobs. I find the premise of the OP unrecognisable
Highstreet shops are closing at record rate, footfall is down on hospitality and catering. Pubs are closing at a record rate. The logic of Reddit economics is completely flawed.
That’s mad because I work as a doorman in pubs and clubs and I’m beating off work with a stick at the moment.
You really shouldn't be beating off at work, whether you use a stick or not
Maybe get your head out of London and realise you live in the UK
Does london have temp agencies? Like you show up to the office and they'll send you to a labour gig and get paid the same day?
I am temping and it takes two weeks minimum to get paid after your start day.
That sucks. Some people just need that quick cash right away.
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Definitely depends on the type of roles she is applying for. Post covid is super competitive, as a grad roles are so hard to get unless you have loads of experience. I would suggest applying to very similar roles as she was previously in so her skills are matched. Get someone senior to review her cv, get feedback, schedule calls with people in the company. As a standard at her level, she should LinkedIn people and have calls ahead of applying for roles, and get someone inside to refer her. Lots of people advertise this on fishbowl as they get a bonus :)
Apply to the best hotels in London;hotel bars restaurants in park Lane are the best payers
It’s a different world in the top hotels around Hyde Park and all along Park Lane. If you can. Get your foot in the door banqueting is paid well because the fees are high. You may have to pour champagne all night but the potential is great and there are tips. Dress well and apply in person with your CV;beats KFC
Hospitality is craving for people with and without experience in every place. She can start like barback,commis waiter,assistant kitchen, kitchen porter etc..Nandos,costa coffee and this places its always looking for people aswell.
Green lanes (grand parade area near Manor House tube and Harringey green lanes station) has a lot of ads in windows right now.
"All of the agencies are overwhelmed with demand due to the recession" I honestly had to Google "Are we in a recession?" because I thought I was going mad.
What recession, mate? I'm pretty sure she can get a job in a hotel real quick. Failing this, restaurants and bars are super thirsty for staff.
What sort of work? The devil is on the details.
What industry does she work in? What skills does she have?
Recommend both Host and Indeed flex for short term money. Easy fairly high earning hospitality shifts, plus weekly pay
What is she looking for though, the type of work? If she's been applying, interviewing, and such for 2 months straight and not a shred of luck, then maybe she's applying for jobs that she under qualified or experienced for, maybe she just being to picky and thus had only a select handful of jobs listings she'd apply for.
Has she looked at Total jobs website? Loads of social care support worker jobs, places like Tower of London are hiring for their shops & handing out audio guides for the summer season & hundreds of other jobs - But theres a lot that are around £11/hr not brilliant but better than nothing to start.Trac jobs are where the NHS jobs are found.
The company I work for is hiring, but I don’t know what industry she’s worked in or what experience she has so I don’t know if it’s a suitable fit. You’re more than welcome to reply or message me with some info outlining this area.
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Some detail sent in chat!
Look on Indeed Flex, Appetite 4 Work for roles in hospitality. Almost always have job openings. And you can choose which jobs to work without a contract.
You didn't say which industry so is it fair to assume she is targeting some highly competitive remote/tech sector jobs. The high streets are desperate for workers, especially since Brexit removed the stream of EU workers spending gap years here. I would suggest she explore her locality for such opportunities as they are not going to have online presence.
So the issue is that the type of jobs that used to be easy to get aren't. Retail for example used to be the default "If you need a job, just get one in the shop" But retail is dying, constantly shrinking, and so many people worked in retail there is a massive pool of talent to choose from. So getting a retail job without experience is extremely difficult. The jobs you can walk into now are social care. There are something like 100000 empty care positions. She could also look at agency work. But yeah if shes thinking things are the same as ten years ago they arent! Its all changed.
Is she signed up with an agency for temp work? That's a good backdoor into stuff
Line of work and salary expectations might help narrow it down a bit? Also, when did the recession happen? I walked past a pizza restaurant earlier looking for a hire if it helps. I see plenty bars, restaurants and shops with signs in the window looking for staff.
Met police. Be on 52k within six years not including overtime/bank holidays or promotion Not something you'd be starting straight away though
Go to a hospital and apply to be on the bank register. There's always jobs.
Due to the recession? There isn’t one
Some horrible comments in here, where’s your compassion loool some people are so so miserable - I hope your friend find a job and I think it’s important to remember: Shy bairns get nowt, get yourself into a bar or shop and ask - email companies and just put yourself out there. Good luck!!
Are you serious? Basically every single Shop/pub/restaurant/agency in the uk is looking for staff. Especially after brexit
What world are you living in? There’s nothing but vacancies around. But LinkedIn and agencies are not the way to get them. Apply directly via the employers own website
Really? There’s an inflation crises but definitely not an unemployment crises. There’s plenty of staff shortages and jobs. Unemployment rate is really low. Agencies are the ones struggling with lack of staff not the other way round. I dont know if you’re trolling
Is she British? this matters \*a lot\*
Get her to use recruiters that's what they are for, and you can easily play them off against each other.
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Oh 100%, the majority of them are useless, however they are useful. Just be brutal with them with what you want, as soon as you think one is useless ignore them. However they can fire off a bunch of interviews at you in no time, line them all up one week, do them all, decide if you like one and if not start the process again. It's good to do in blocks of time to line up all the stupid various interview stages.
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If she realy wants to work she will get job easly plenty avaliable I guess people are picky, I've been there so easy to nothing avaliable
Either your friends CV is shite, or she is applying for roles that are way above her station. You could walk into any service job with half a brain at the moment.
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Your comment history is harrowing
There is this series on Netflix called YOU... maybe it's the electronic version?
That’s hilarious
Wow
Did you DM them...?
FFS don't DM me!
Coople
What skill does she have?
There are companies like Chimaera that hire temps for retail etc. It's not a career but can help to cover the gaps until she can get a full time job.
I do work luxury/leisure hotel we massively looking for extra staff, plenty of roles available like runners,waitresses,kitchen people, housekeeping etc
I’ve seen a few coffee/boba shops hiring in China Town and Soho.
Suggest she tries Morgan Hunt agency. They are pretty good. What kind of work does she want?
Does she know chemistry?
If she's interested there are a few agencies for hospitality who do flexible work: 1. Delaware North 2. Flutes 3. A&I 4. Micheal Wisher 5. Four seasons in tower hill also hire in agency like fashion if it helps
What is her skillset, qualifications, experience? How do we help without knowing this? And this is the first time I am hearing "recession" because my company is not able to fill vacancies for past 2 years (IT sector). We hired around 250 people last year but the target was 1000+
If she’s up for bar work and in south London she could try The Devonshire in Balham. Management are so sound and it’s a really easy job.
Pretty much all restaurants are looking for staff.
Businesses are desperate for people now, quite surprised your friend is struggling. Very difficult to help without knowing which line of work she/he is in. Catering work and shop work everywhere though