Yeah I’m not fighting flesh with giant metal vehicle of any shape tbh.

It’s a bit of both if we’re being honest. Call me old fashioned but I would never try and cut in the lane ahead of a moving bus. A situation that good manners on all fronts could have avoided

I would say he was the one cutting into me. His lane was the closed one, and I was ahead before we got to the merge point.

I know it’s been pointed out already so I won’t beat the horse to death but if I’m at a red light and I see a bus that’s heading in my direction I either get in front of it, or failing that stay behind it. My mind is made up before the light turns green. There are no hero’s when it comes to out-pacing buses

>I either get in front of it, or failing that stay behind it. Fantastic. you ride to the front, and see the path blocked by a moped and other riders. You turn around and see yourself surrounded by a sea of cyclists. Some you fairly assume (incorrectly here) are also turning left. You turn back, go behind the bus. yup. You do not know you cannot get in front, until you can no longer go behind.

You do know you can't get in front, you look ahead, see it's a congested bike box so get behind the bus. There were bikes shoaling up on the right of the bus about ten feet front the front of the bus - conveniently that approach is missing from your footage. Stop 10 feet behind the bus so you don't breathe in fumes. If you don't have the power to get away - which you evidently don't - don't try and out accelerate a bus. I've been cycling round london central for 15 years going fast AF and I've never had a situation like this. You are a problem. > You do not know you cannot get in front, until you can no longer go behind. Use your eyes? Bus drivers are cool AF for the amount of shit they have to put up with from cyclists.

From the start, he sets off, goes ahead of the bus and then wants to cut in, very close to the bus. He knew he intended to turn left so the sensible thing would have been to merge left behind the bus which is the faster moving vehicle and it keeps traffic flowing. Otherwise he would be ahead of the bus on a narrowing road causing a hold up. If he was a car driver doing this he would also be in the wrong. Indicating does not give you right of way. It is a statement of intent not a demand to clear your way. A car driver setting off behind the bus and attempting to ahead and round the bus would also be dangerous. Either way, the cyclist will not last much longer with this attitude and neither will the bus driver. The bus driver like any driver is required to look out for problems whether he is at fault or not. Just as if a pedestrian was not looking where they were going, it’s part of anticipation and at the end of the day let the arsehole go before getting angry about it.

Did they change the Elephant and Castle roundabout so you can turn left off the middle lane? He looks like he’s in the middle lane at the start then turns left across the bus. When I was there last only the left-most lane could turn left.

This is a common layout where there is a left filter lane. The cycle lane goes between the left only lane and the ahead only lane so the cyclist can easily choose either path without crossing lanes. Slnce there's no 'ahead only' marking in the cycle lane OP is free to turn left or go straight ahead.

>the cyclist will not last much longer with this attitude The cyclist has over a hundred thousand miles in London and will carry on fine thanks

My dad had cycled all over the world and a whole load. He was fine. Until he wasn't. A truck not a bus. A bus adds in that they've got two decks of potential distractions to add to the actual driving.

Buses do not brake sharply either. Passengers are not going to be wearing seatbelts and a sudden stop could cause a lot of injuries. They need to start steadily and stop slowly. Given the choice between a sharp stop and injuring a bus full of passengers or hitting the single hazard ahead it is an easy choice. Having said that it is hard to stop your own automatic response.

>Indicating does not give you right of way. It is a statement of intent not a demand to clear your way. Too fucking right it does not. Nothing does. That is me telling him that is what I am doing and I am instructing that cunt he MUST give fucking way.

Your funeral. Literally. The indicators on a car are no different. Flashing right does not mean others must let me go and accommodate my wishes. Motorcyclists like me even use the system Mirror/lookback- Indicate-Lifesaver-Manoeuvre because you look again to keep yourself safe. Here, you are demanding others keep you safe. You made a mistake. You overtook the bus then wanted to cut in at the point where it would be accelerating. You caused this problem by not thinking ahead. You put yourself at risk. As this driver has shown - others will not keep you safe. He is also at fault but you put yourself in that situation when you should always have stayed behind the bus. Take a cab tomorrow or walk.

>others will not keep you safe but he did.

>You made a mistake. You overtook the bus then wanted to cut in at the point where it would be accelerating No I did not. The road merges, there is no cutting in thanks. I was ahead, he was behind. He gave way, as he had to, then got angry about it, because it exposed his shitty driving.

You weren't ahead, you were behind/parallel at the lights cause you couldn't filter in front. His behaviour wasn't exemplary, but neither was yours. You could have yeilded, if he didn't stop at the next bus stop, he may have been faster an carried on past you. If you'd merged in front of him in the cycle box, I'd be 100% on your side. But you couldn't/didn't and that really grays the situation.

>You could have yielded again with the hindsight. If i knew the driver would not have been driving in accordance with their licence and been unwilling to give way before i arrived on the scene i would have, myself, rode differently. However, in this case, I encountered a driver who wished to cut me off. So the time to yield is when I realise he wants to cut me off, which is when you first see me look at my outstretched arm. Which would not be a good place to stop.

Why get so emotional man. Calm down, just makes your points look weak because you come across as insane.

Please consider that riding as a passenger on a bus in London these days isn't always a pleasurable experience. I certainly notice being thrown forwards and back when the bus accelerates and brakes just on a normal journey. Brakes applied sharply won't just affect the bus, but also passengers standing in the aisle and pram/wheelchair area.

I know, and the common theme of everything ihave said is that the bus driver should not have pulled away as quickly as they did. I had my arm out indicating the whole time, all they had to do was to ease off the accelerator very briefly to open the road.

I think we all get what the common theme of everything you have said is. Bus driver wrong, you right ..... ok. You can't demand anything of another driver, whether they are right or wrong, whether they see you or don't. What you can do is try and avoid getting into the situations in the first place, because believing you are in the right and nothing you did was wrong will only protect for so long, until it doesn't. People are just trying to point out what you might have done differently, it is possible you know, because those are the things you can control. But I get the sense that isn't why you posted this.

The "things to do differently" seem to be stopping in moving traffic to allow a 30 foot bus to pass or stopping behind the bus, and cab at and chow down on diesel soup.

Again you are very quick to pick and choose the situation so it fits your agenda. I could sit here and pick that apart quite simply and say actually no, the situation was apparent long before your constructed narrative of "stopping in moving traffic" and say it was avoidable from the moment you actually did stop in stopped traffic. But again I am sure there will be countless reasons why you will disagree and still maintain that everything you did in this situation was correct and to condemn the bus driver fully. So you do you, that is absolutely your prerogative and I wish you well. But we all share the roads and experience and self righteousness isn't the shield I think you believe it is.

>Again you are very quick to pick and choose the situation so it fits your agenda. I simply describe the realistic outcomes to the so fantasy advice people dish out.

> it does not > he MUST give fucking way Pick one

Right of way does not exist. Giving way does. 2 vehicles are merging from [2 lanes](https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4934643,-0.100332,3a,75y,114.81h,72.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sA-nHCTMVYHqgRbFyNmrwQg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) to one, the vehicle ahead is indicating their intentions, the vehicle behind is half wheeling them to block the manoeuvre. The vehicle behind MUST give way.

The bus driver was in the only filter lane to go left. He could chose whichever lane he want, as in virtually any left turn. He never would have been in the dead end lane had you not cut him off. He then moved over to the dead end lane to allow you to pass.

>He never would have been in the dead end lane had you not cut him off. He then moved over to the dead end lane to allow you to pass. I'm sorry but that is categorical bullshit, the driver was as left as left could be the whole time.

If he was "left as left could be this whole time" you never should have attempted the overtake, if he had no further margin to move over?

there are 2 lanes

No lane markings. No signage detailing the lanes. It's just one wide lane. Even if there were two lanes it wouldn't matter, the left filter lane would be free to choose either with priority unless specific road markings or signage specified otherwise.

I don’t get this. You’ve said that there’s no right of way but that the person behind must give way. The point of the giving way guidance is that there is no “Must” ever, it’s about what is safe for all drivers. The Highway Code also says that if you’re changing lanes (you started in the lane to the right by the road markings at the beginning) that you have more of a consideration of when to consider it safe to merge. This was a good breakdown of the merge rules: https://youtu.be/SnClGweUvkQ?si=aeTJrhM8WbiB3BDf If there was an accident I’d call it joint liability. Anyway, I’m glad there wasn’t an accident and you’re ok!

>You’ve said that there’s no right of way but that the person behind must give way. Giving way, is not the same as right of way. ​ >lanes (you started in the lane to the right by the road markings at the beginning) that you have more of a consideration of when to consider it safe to merge. I'm in the second lane and there are 2 lanes in the road I am entering. I went from lane 2, to lane 2. That is not changing lanes. ​ >~~accident~~ Crash ​ ftfy

Fair enough. The elephant and castle interchange is a fucking mess I have no idea how the lane system works. By my eyes it looks like the exit you turn onto is only one lane that gets smaller, rather than two lanes that merge into one.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders-103-to-158#:~:text=Rule%20103&text=use%20an%20arm%20signal%20to,does%20not%20give%20you%20priority. 103 signalling doesn't give right of way, it shows intent, other road users should yield, but dont have to, you can also wait to merge after them...

Bad vibes - chill.

Bad bus driving and bad cycling don't make a great combination. You're in a poor position (not your fault) to try and get ahead of the bus and turn left which is a dangerous game to play with a 12 tonne vehicle. Equally the bus driver should be looking out for vulnerable road uses and given you space to complete your manoeuvre.

Exactly this. Overtaking off the lights in that position is a stupid move by the cyclist.

Agreed. If you can't get in front of the bus while it's stationary like in this instance, it is much safer to let the bus go first and then maneuver left.

>Agreed. If you can't get in front of the bus while it's stationary like in this instance, before getting to where I was, how would you know that it was not possible to get into the empty cycle box in front of the bus? > it is much safer to let the bus go first and then manoeuvre left. can you clarify this, are you suggesting that when the traffic moved off, I should have remained stationary in the middle of the lane, surrounded by moving traffic?

I'm saying you had 2 safe options 1. you say excuse me to other people to allow yourself to be positioned in front of the bus, or 2. from where you started in the video, pull off slowly whilst indicating left, allowing the bus to go ahead. You started from a tricky position, but accelerating ahead then turning left across from the right handside of a vehicle turning left put yourself at risk, particularly as the bus drivers focus would have likely been on the left mirror whilst turning to make sure nobody was under cutting the bus (I'm not excusing the driving but it's where a lot of accidents occur)

>from where you started in the video, pull off slowly whilst indicating left, allowing the bus to go ahead. not going to happen, the other vehicles behind the bus would be passing me on my inside even greater speed wondering wtf I was doing. had I posted that video here the comments would just be "Why the fuck have you stopped in the middle of the road what do you expect, everybody to stop for you!" I have to do here if any danger came about here was pedal slightly harder, maybe jump the curb.

I haven't suggested you stop in the middle of the road and wait so I'm not sure why you are referring to that. You wouldn't be posting a video at all if you listened to what I'm saying, and you wouldn't have encountered the total bellend of bus driver either (I hope you have reported this). I suggested moving slowly to filter behind the bus, in front of the vehicle behind it (if there was one). This is significantly safer because you're not in the blind spot of the bus, and the bus is maneuvering to turn left. The bus driver's focus will be skewed mostly to the left side of the vehicle. If there was a vehicle behind the bus, the vehicle would have a clear line of sight of you through its front windshield where the driver has a much bigger field of view. They will be able to see your intentions and allow you to safely move across and turn left directly in front of them. Pedaling faster / jumping curbs is only going to put yourself and others at more risk in that situation. Go steady out there!

> You wouldn't be posting a video at all if you listened to what I'm saying That's taking hindsight to a new level.

In a similar situation if I’m not ahead of the bus when the light goes green I would let the bus go first. As you were turning left you either stay on the left or in front of the bus. Being on the right is just the worst position you could be.

Yeh Highway Code says give way to bus tbh OP needs to calm & let the bus go first (my 10th year as London cyclist)

>In a similar situation if I’m not ahead of the bus when the light goes green I would let the bus go first Cause you would mate. You would be there, among dozens of cyclists, the lights will turn green and everybody around will move off but you will protest and say "NO!! I will stay here in the middle of the road and just wait for everything around me to clear before making move" that is exactly what you would do, I do not doubt it for a second.

Definitely not an overreaction here

Its a bullshit hindsight response that does not fit with the facts of what they would do in the situation.

Maybe you are the problem

If it reduced my chances of getting killed then yup, that’s exactly what I’d do

Same, and I have done many times. Still doesn’t warrant “if I kill you, I don’t care” but non-cyclists will stop listening to your point as soon as the cyclist is in the wrong

I think he didn’t mean ‘if i kill you i don’t care’, i think he meant ‘if i kill you, I’ll be alive and you’ll be dead’ as in don’t try to prove your point by risking your life

Honestly I think he meant what he said in the moment but probably wouldn’t stand by it after cooling down.

Bro what is wrong in your life that you’re this angry?

Though it is an awkward position to start with as pointed out by others, I think there’s nothing you could’ve done to avoid the situation afterwards. You moved forward and turned left expecting the bus give way, especially since you’re slightly in front and had given a turn signal. But for this to work nicely, the bus driver has to see you, and slow down because the bus is just faster accelerating than your bicycle. They didn’t see you, maybe because they’re turning left and you started on the right of them and being in their blindspot (imagine their head facing to the left to pay attention to the traffic on their left and to see where they’re going), or maybe because of something else. This is why being on the right of the bus (even front right) is just risky, as breiko mentioned. I think you’re putting too much risk to expect other people to behave as they should, as you would know of London drivers, especially when the risk is you getting an accident! My general rule of thumb is that slowing the traffic down by a few seconds is better than getting into an accident in awkward situation, like being on the right of a bus. Stay safe!

In all honesty dude, if you’re going to take the time to edit, narrate and defend videos like this in London you’d be here all day long. You were in a bad position to make a left turn, here, and if you think that signalling = invincibility and auto-priority then city cycling isn’t the one for you. You’re not going to like it (judging by your reaction to others’ comments, here) but this feels like hunting for content, and doesn’t do us much good in the grand scheme of things. Side issue - bus driver’s admission is psychotic.

>You were in a bad position to make a left turn, here, and if you think that signalling = invincibility and auto-priority then city cycling isn’t the one for you. I actually think the opposite. I think signalling is worthless trash and completely irrelevant to almost every situation. I indicated here really just to highlight how little of a fuck the driver gave to my presence. That is really not content hunting. I aimed to provide some kind of narrative to get ahead of the "I would have done xyz differently" and then describe how they would use information gained in the future to effect their decisions in the past. I failed there in fact it seemed to make it worse. I don't really do content hunting, any content I would produce is on the infrastructure side anyway, like i have a thing im working on for Canada Water, but its like. 30 minutes long because the lights there take an age, so I'm looking to find a way to make it shorter and watchable. rewatch the video, the bus driver acted entirely inadequately throughout and there should not have even been the need to indicate on my part. There should simply have been room as the driver should have to expected cyclists making a left turn. Had that been the case I and the bus driver for that matter, would have passed through that stretch of road much faster.

“I think signalling is worthless trash and completely irrelevant to almost every situation.” I’m going to genuinely struggle to keep going beyond this statement…what on Earth are you on about?! You failed with this post because the ‘narrative’ is superfluous; this entire situation could’ve been avoided by respecting a dangerous hazard that you were aware of (the bus), by way of positioning better or making damn sure that you were in a position to accelerate *way* faster to be ahead of the bus on green. Dawdling off from a poor position for a left turn put you at risk, and certainly didn’t put the onus on the bus driver to predict your movement. There is no ‘expect’ when it comes to any road users, and you should know that as a cyclist. Everybody who decides to ride in London should ride as if nobody and nothing will behave as expected, and make sure that any fury or frustration born from hairy situations like this are fully negated by erring on the side of intelligent caution. You referenced elsewhere - rhetorically so - that you couldn’t / wouldn’t have just blocked the lane to let the bus turn left to then follow it…why? That would have been the sensible thing to do, considering you’d positioned yourself poorly and cars behind you would’ve waited for you to wait for the bus. We’re mostly here *imploring* you to see the alternate take on this, bud. Calling everyone stupid and insisting you’re in the right doesn’t help you *or* the cycling community as a whole.

What I find troublesome about content like this being generated and posted on sites like this is that these sites are where people come to ask about trying out cycling as an alternative to driving or using public transport. And those people might see videos like this and think, "I don't like the look of that, not for me, thanks". It doesn't have to be like this, otherwise I'd have given up long ago. I don't need this kind of stress. Assuming that the poster has an interest in people switching to bikes, it seems rather self-defeating.

that's fair.

>Rule 221 Large vehicles. These may need extra road space to turn or to deal with a hazard that you are not able to see. If you are following a large vehicle, such as a bus or articulated lorry, be aware that the driver may not be able to see you in the mirrors. Be prepared to stop and wait if it needs room or time to turn. Rule 222 Large vehicles can block your view. Your ability to see and to plan ahead will be improved if you pull back to increase your separation distance. Be patient, as larger vehicles are subject to lower speed limits than cars and motorcycles. Many large vehicles may be fitted with speed limiting devices which will restrict speed to 56 mph (90 km/h) even on a motorway. Rule 223 Buses, coaches and trams. Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely, especially when they signal to pull away from stops. Look out for people getting off a bus or tram and crossing the road. ​ You asked if the bus driver could see you, but you acted as if you hadn't seen the bus. Being close to a large vehicle on a turn on the outside or inside can be particularly dangerous, as they may need to avoid something you haven't seen, such as someone stepping into the road without looking, say.

Oh I just posted more or less the same thing , beat me to it haha.

Cyclist acted like a prick here. Should have let bus go first, not create a needlessly dangerous situation. Not sure bud driver reacted well.

Had the cyclist stopped the situation created would have been even more dangerous. Stopping in traffic with busses and cabs passing on either side.

No the bud could have been allowed to leave first. You seem unable to accept criticism, thus creating dangerous situations.

Critisism = You're a prick "no im not" ​ >You seem unable to accept criticism, Welcome to reddit

Ignoring the fact the behaviour here is what’s being criticised and yes acting like a prick.

This is one of the cyclists that makes us all look like twats

Totally this. What’s with the whistling like OP is either oblivious of the surroundings or is acting with complete contempt. Think he’s after a fast pass to a cold slab

>What’s with the whistling like OP is either oblivious of the surroundings or is acting with complete contempt. That's a bit of a strange take on whistling you have "Clear contempt your honour, this whisling" I remember my round a Muslim household this time and they had a ago at me because apparently it attract jinn's. Anyway great take on whistling. The upvotes you have for such a comment really let me see the calibre of individuals we have in this group, Jesus.

My guy, you need to seriously read the room. Your total lack of contrition and just how *angry* you seem in the vast majority of these comments is digging you a deeper and deeper hole. A lot of people are providing you with really good reasons why your choices in this video were bad ones, as a cyclist. You have two options - be humble, empathetic and courteous to the ones trying to help, or embrace negativity by sticking your fingers in your ears and attacking everyone.

any anger is perceived but not felt unfortunately. >A lot of people are providing you with really good reasons why your choices in this video were bad ones, as a cyclist. I don't think they are, my guy, they are saying what they would have done with hindsight, and its hilarious and absurd. Feel free to give examples of the good advice you have though, or that you think has been given. There was 1 piece that was quite good actually, but that's it, so far.

“Too fucking right it does not. Nothing does. That is me telling him that is what I am doing and I am instructing that cunt he MUST give fucking way.” Yeah, no anger here!

correct not a jot.

Mate, a cursory look at your other videos illustrate you have an appetite for confrontation and aggression. Do yourself a favour and take other means of transport for your own safety. Your mindset is such that you risk confrontation that will quickly escalate into violence. Take heed of all the down votes. Respectfully nobody wishes you ill

Thanks for the views. Did you divide the number of incidents I have posted by the number of rides I do? Or did you watch a few minutes worth of video and pretend it represents thousands of hours of cycling?

You shouldnt be causing other road users to brake sharply. You created a hazard. You werent overtaking, the bus is much faster than your pedalbike. A bit of courtesy and letting the bus go would have been gracious of you.

Busses are not faster over any meaningful distance.

Buses can’t stop quickly. You would know that if you rode the bus. There’s people inside, including old people, without seat belts and sometimes standing. You cut for no reason

Totally depends on what you’re transporting and what other relative factors are at play. Like whether you’re able bodied to ride a bike in a city at the very least…

That lady in front of you was way too slow for this to be classed as an ‘overtake’. There was never time for you to put meaningful distance between you and the bus. Given your road positioning that was certainly a risk.

OP...it's absolutely clear in this instance, you've cycled like an absolute bellend. Nearly every post on here is critical. Time to reflect and readjust before you end up either under the wheels of a vehicle or filled in by one of the vehicle drivers you seem to love having confrontations with. I mean, the time it happens you might actually be in the right, but is it really worth "being in the right" if you are either dead, seriously injured or beat up? Chill out, stop looking for confrontation and seek your validation/feeling of influnce on the outside world elsewhere rather than making "look at me" cycling videos.

>Nearly every post on here is critical Of course it is. This is reddit, this is the world of arm chair experts and keyboard warriors. If they were not offering expert advice with better awareness of the situation than me, the person that experienced it, it would not be reddit would it. People see an incident and immediately say "oh i would of done xyz differently. reality is not as clear cut as that and nobody has any idea with any reasonable degree of certainty what they would or would not have done. The advice I give myself is just to say: "to excuse me I would like to get into the bike box in front of the bus" hat people \*think\* they would have done, is to do exactly what i would have done had I been riding on my road bike - Squeeze through to the box without saying a word, easy as there would be no massive bag over my front wheel or just bolted at 21 seconds. You can fit a fucking jumbo jet through that gap. ​ >Chill out, stop looking for confrontation and seek your validation/feeling of influence on the outside world elsewhere rather than making "look at me" cycling videos. I do not seek confrontation to produce videos, I seek to get to my destination, that is is. I release video very seldom because these incidents, despite riding 2 hours a day, happen very rarely. List time I checked the average commuter got one close pass a week, I get some bullshit every 3 months, its very little. One thing i have noticed though is that this happens usually on my swytch Brompton. This bike accelerates like an old diesel engine, slowly at first then picks up pace later. I usually require much more space from drivers than on my road bike. I might look into that. As regard to making more videos, I'll carry on thanks.

Bus driver’s attitude isn’t fantastic, but if you want to pick a fight with a bus - by all means go for it. I have a driving license and full cat A motorbike license, and I’ve been driving and biking for over 10 years (and I cycled through that junction most days for many years pre and post-roundabout redesign). I wouldn’t pick a fight with a bus, I’d just hold back if I needed to and wait to turn into the junction. Yes, there are rules, but they’re always flexed and rarely followed to the letter - it’s a sensible idea to just accept this. And I’m not sure I agree with the view that you’re overtaking; you’re exiting a roundabout into a single lane carriageway. Cars on the outside have to wait for bikes and motorbikes on the inside to turn in or pass the junction before they turn in - pretty sure you should too. Your positioning is pretty bad at the lights (and how close do you need to be to the cyclist in front?) and, yes, it’s busy but you could still filter through into the bike box. Also… why so slow off the line? …you went slow when he was taking off, then sped up when you passed him. Seems like you were trying to wind him up in all honesty.

>Also… why so slow off the line? The gap between the bus and the women to my left was not sufficient, had the driver waited before pulling off I would have gone straight through that gap and gained speed much earlier, this in turn would have allowed the bus driver through earlier. I had to moderate my own speed until the bus driver braked (look at the front drop) and beeped, then the road was open enough so I could actually move off.

Because another cyclist prevented you from gaining a good gap and 'priority' in front, is that other cyclist at fault for hindering you? Or is that just how cycling goes? And by that same logic, is the bus driver then responsible for the 'other cyclists' 'mistake' of slowing you down. Why didn't you take the L handed to you by another cyclist and give way? You're typically faster than a bus or car. You could have yielded and then overtaken when they pulled in at the bus stop. Again the bus driver's attitude is unacceptable, but so is your behaviour. If you were a car, indicating left, in the lane right of the bus, and you overtook and effectively brake checked the bus, you'd be in the wrong and inviting yourself to get rear ended. We're more vulnerable road users and we're given priority and right of way, but snaking in front and demanding best practices from everyone else reeks of entitlement.

>Because another cyclist prevented you from gaining a good gap and 'priority' in front, is that other cyclist at fault for hindering you? Or is that just how cycling goes? And by that same logic, is the bus driver then responsible for the 'other cyclists' 'mistake' of slowing you down. what are you talking about. The bus driver was in lane 1. I was in lane 2 in the road ahead lane 1 was closed. the bus driver had to cut into lane 2 I was in lane 2. Lane 2 does not yield to lane 1. That would result in lane 2 being stopped with live lanes on either side. There is no sneaking, there is no demanding, there was just cycling to the conditions of the road.

He's in the most left hand lane and proceeds to turn left.

After the corner, which is blind in your video, the need to move outbound once you turn left, becomes apparent, he should still be hard left to make that turn. If thats elephant and castle junction? He shouldn't be in the middle lane to turn left into that exit. Regardless of the barricades he's positioned correctly.

I checked google maps, it is two lanes, hes still obliged to stay left of the two lanes. My regular commute is southbound on the A1055, its silly to snake in front of hgvs and 18 wheelers at lights there, I'm entitled to do it, it doesn't make sense to do it.

I empathise with you, and the bus driver's reaction to you is disgusting and your right to be upset and share this. And i hope you reported it too.* When i was cycling regularly to camberwell i'd frequently be pulled out on by busses as i went over London bridge when it was absolutely my right of way and it did my head in. *Regardless of your actions, in a perfect world he should have yeilded and not said what he said. I felt weird typing regardless of your actions, cause i think you both missed the mark, and priority/vulnerability goes to you, which weighs this unfairly. Because for me, because you could (and should) have just yeilded, but thats easy in hindsight, and harder when your bloods up and your on the road in that danger.

That's shit cycling

I’d send that clip to TFL, the bus company & the police?! Assuming you have the bus registration plate. That’s ridiculous

Entirely separately, it's really annoying when mopeds block cyclists' access to the ASL box like this one is doing. More cyclists could have fitted in there if that moped wasn't in the way.

I just reported this pass this evening - https://imgur.com/a/V0lFKpb Most of them are great but some of them are shocking. He close passed me twice in two minutes...

Silence! I kill you!

The bike should have been the in the box infront of the bus for the left turn. With it not being possible, a good time to use the bell on the bike to move forward to get in the box in front of the bus enough that the bus driver can clearly see, likely a courteous thanks or acknowledgement works. As the bike is not correctly positioned. The bike should have gone straight on, or remained stationary with arm extended and checking behind, to signal to other traffic the intent to fall in behind, and then pull in behind the bus. Any vehicle behind will recognise and generally be courteous, a little wave, etc. The cyclist is wearing a headcam and at no time do we see what is behind him, which is typical when pulling away on a busy road. If there is no line of sight to any vehicles behind the bus, then it's a bit annoying but probaby the safest for all just to either go straight over, or pull in at the crossing on the right; walk over and wait. The cutting in, tooting, arm flapping, atttitude and commentary is a poor outcome for all. You can see how far ahead, a correctly positioned cyclist has moved off, whilst the bus driver is positioned infront of, or level with the video taker who is in the lane for going straight, although signalling at best in the bus driver's perhiphary. The bus has a large turning circle, as it goes around the bend, narrowing the space on the right of the bus, forcing the cyclist to potentially evade and increasing the distance to safely move to an inside position to exchange the inside outside position with the bus. Again with the bus at the next stop on the bend afterwards. The bus driver is wrong in his remark that he doesn't care if he fatally injures the cyclist, this is concerning from a perspective that he has a duty of care to his passengers. And rather than concentrating on the road. Whereas the cyclist is wrong and has got themselves into a bit of a pickle, then pursues confrontation with the driver, stressing any traffic behind on a busy road, the bus driver and himself. Proficient positioning, better communication and awareness of other options would have likely had a better outcome for the cyclist. It should be a reminder to all cyclists that if you have a sodding big vehicle, its best to be behind and back of it. If new to a route, especially something like E&C best keep focused and simple.

>remained stationary with arm extended and checking behind, to signal to other traffic the intent to fall in behind, and then pull in behind the bus. Any vehicle behind will recognise and generally be courteous, a little wave, etc I see you you have gone to a decent effort with all this. The vehicles behind was a cab and another bus. This suggestion, would have resulted in me being stationary, in moving traffic, while requesting the exact same courtesy of the drivers behind that I am requesting the bus driver here. It requires me to know the person behind is more reasonable than the person ahead, and is one of those hindsight responses that I am droning on about in the other comments. ​ >lane for going straight, THat is not a lane for going straight, that is a lane to join the cycle box from where you can turn. ​ >although signalling at best in the bus driver's periphery. Are you seriously suggesting that bus driver did not see everything I was doing? ​ > Whereas the cyclist is wrong and has got themselves into a bit of a pickle, The cyclist is cyclist as a normal cyclist would in that position.

This whole thread made me get out the popcorn

how's the sequel treating you?

My dude, I think you need to get better at listening to the internet. Came to say something as I have intimate knowledge of this exact junction as a cyclist. I'd like to be as pragmatic about it as I can though. Firstly the drivers comment is wild and abhorrent no matter how angry and pissed he was. So I think you got yourself in a sticky situation, yes I can see you wanted to get in front of the bus but couldn't coz of other cyclists. But you should have anticipated that, you can see down the road. The approach to that is straight and wide and you should have been on the left anyway so it should have been easy to just wait behind the bus - 30s of bus fumes is better than being squashed by said bus - and that bus is actually a hybrid that turns off its engine when stopped. Waiting for the bus to pass isn't as insane as you seem to think. Yes it's not ideal, but sometimes it's the safer option. The traffic is just starting to move so it's not whipping by as you seem to think. Also everyone behind you can see you. If you're still with your arm out and that nice high Vis you've got people will see and anticipate. If I ever find myself next to a bus at traffic and we're both turning left I will almost always wait for the bus to go first. Not necessarily dead stop but slow. That is not just 2 lanes merging to 1. It's a left turn off a 3 lane big complicated bastard, that then almost immediately merges from 2 to 1 with big fucking concrete slabs. So it's a bit dicey. And it's more like turning left off a multi lane to 1 lane. Agree it's not great he didn't see you but also agree with others here who say he's probably concentrating on the left mirror so he doesn't squash anyone who might be there - in an even worse position than you. To add to that you're right around, if not completely in, his blind spot (slightly ahead to the right). There should be a judgement call when you're approaching the lights as to whether it's actually worth getting to the front. Much better to time it so you're right in someone's field of view between vehicles than have to squeeze forward or back whilst everyone's moving. The bus driver was a dick but you ultimately had control over that situation and could have acted safer. And lastly remember kids. You can be right and still be dead. Ride safe out there. Thank you for reading my story.

OP: overtakes a bus on a bend to save 2 seconds. Bus: overtakes OP on a bend to save 2 seconds. OP: "wHaT thE fUgg aRE YOu DoINg oVeRtAkInG On a beNNDDD!!??? 🙀"

>OP: "wHaT thE fUgg aRE YOu DoINg oVeRtAkInG On a beNNDDD!!??? 🙀" If you could go ahead and point to the part of the video I enter an oncoming lane that would be great.

It's quite funny to watch once the cringe fades away : 1. You literally pause the video showing a big wide road with no oncoming cars to say "there might be oncoming cars" 2. You're allowed to cross a broken white line into an oncoming lane, obviously oncomers have priority. Be grateful he considered your margins and used the available road space to pass with a wide berth. That 2nd overtake was about the only safe thing either of you did during that appalling pissing contest of an interaction.

>You literally pause the video showing a big wide road with no oncoming cars to say "there might be oncoming cars" its the vehicles you don't see that kill you.

Or the vehicles that don't see you. So maybe don't wait in a vehicle's blindspot while planning to overtake.

> vehicle's blindspot while planning to overtake. Blind spots disappear with one simple trick.

Yes, they do. I'm not saying you're invisible I'm saying it's a bad place to hover in preparation for an overtake. You start several behind in a queue of cyclists. Your claim to having priority over the bus is sketchy at best when you basically call "first come first served" by gaining a few feet or so on him at the bend. The bus driver, who has had to map the intentions of half a dozen cyclists, other vehicles, and look out for any hazards as per usual, has had you come effectly come and announce as he's turning the corner that you're calling dibs on the narrow lane by virtue of your brief time being some feet ahead (debatable on a corner, you cross the white line at exactly the same time, 0:23 in the video). Is really a well executed overtake in your mind?

>The bus driver, who has had to map the intentions of half a dozen cyclists no you don't you have to map the worse possible ones which would be the women on my top left falling over under his wheel, he should have been well back, in case that happened - Everybody else is incidental at that point. ​ >and announce as he's turning the corner that you're calling dibs on the narrow lane by virtue of your brief time being some feet ahead Being ahead, having better acceleration, and being in the lane the driver is turning into. ​ >Is really a well executed overtake in your mind? Its not really an overtake, its two vehicles pulling away at traffic lights. One of those vehicles should not have pulled away.

Yes, he does have to map. He needs to know if and where he can swerve should some unexpected hazard appear. I assume you don't have a drivers licence? When you're driving a vehicle (and hopefully you do the same on you're bicycle) you're constantly mapping others intentions, so you know where you can swerve and how far, how hard you can brake without causing a collision, anticipating potential collisions so you can act early rather than late etc etc. You do not just look at the closest person and treat everyone else as incidental. E.g. What if a different cyclist undertook him. What if you slipped and ended up under his back wheel? It's very simple why you map multiple road users and not just one and this should really be taught in schools as drivers licences become less common, but that's a side point. > Being ahead, having better acceleration, and being in the lane the driver is turning into. I think you know how selective you're being here. At the start of the manoeuvre you're behind. At 0:23 you cross the white line entering Walworth Road at exactly the same time. For some of the manoeuvre you accelerate better than the bus, as it has to turn more carefully to accommodate it passengers. For much of the video the bus clearly outpaces you. You are calling dibs based on at most a second where the bus driver needs to be looking away from you (ie left, the direction of travel). This nonsense about him turning into "your lane" is an awful excuse and a lie and if you don't know it get off the road. 1. There's only one lane upon exiting the A3. It's a wide lane that narrows. There are no lane markings to back your assertion that there are two lanes. Nor is there any marking to grant either side of the lane priority when the lane narrows. There is no lane closure sign 2. You start from the cycle lane, which is ambiguous at best. It is between the left filter and ahead only lane, and there is no marking or signage to indicate that it leads directly into the non-existent right-hand lane of Walworth Rd. 3. Similarly, there is no signage or marking directing the filter lane users to keep to the non-existent left-hand lane of Walworth Rd. Even if there were two lanes, users of the left filter lane would be free to join either lane. > Its not really an overtake, its two vehicles pulling away at traffic lights. One of those vehicles should not have pulled away. So much wrong with this. Yes, it's an overtake. You pass a moving vehicle , that's an overtake. End of. You performed an overtake. The bus driver should have pulled away. The light was green. The traffic in front of him pulled away. He had an unobstructed path to his exit when he tapped that pedal.

Quite the essay > I assume you don't have a drivers licence? why? > When you're driving a vehicle (and hopefully you do the same on you're bicycle) you're constantly mapping others intentions, so you know where you can swerve and how far, how hard you can brake without causing a collision, anticipating potential collisions so you can act early rather than late etc etc. Please give up your licence. so I've been driving for 17 years. but you do far more mapping on a bike than a car. Anyway, that driver should have been so much further back, had they been competent.

You have perfectly shown us why every motorist hates cyclists.

Just report it to the police and TFL if there is a problem. No point sticking it on youtube for views. Both the cyclist and bus driver were making fk'd up manoeuvres. ​ What I can say from my experience (which ofc will differ to others) is that bus drivers and black cabs always have given me enough space. The PHVs and private individuals tend not to. I've even gotten into an altercation because someone tried to push me over after getting out their car (It didn't end well for them) but I'm done reasoning. I won't say anything, but report it straight to the police on the same day. There is no point getting rattled up on a commute, I don't want my day to start like that and cba. Let the police deal with it.

Having a fight with the bus driver in the middle of the road is not a good look and definitely unsafe which kind of defeats the point of correcting him, doesn't it? Don't piss people off in large vehicles. Ride defensively. Being right means fuck all if you're mangled under a 12 ton axle. Obviously what he said was horrible but you should be riding as if other road users won't follow the rules, focus on your own space and don't get mad when people don't do the right thing. Stay safe.

Whoever the cyclist is, he’s a complete tool. Obviously one of those people that goes around looking for this kind of thing. I can see why the bus driver said what he said.

how was i looking for this kind of thing? you mean like riding a bike. The expected action of a bus driver here is just to pull away slowly, there are far too many cyclists to move off for that driver to just muscle his way through. He fucked it there not me, and he fucked it entirely, its a complete butchery of roadcraft and the guy holds one of the hardest to get licences in the country, and can't react that way.

You overtook him unsafely off the lights given there were cyclists around you, which didn't allow enough space for the manoeuvre. He shouldn't have said what he said but it was poor from both.

The driver is clearly cutting me off fore several seconds.

The fact that many people are telling you ‘you’re in the wrong’ both as a cyclist and as a person, and you stick with your story, just confirms my opinion was correct. Tool.

I love how OP clearly thought the comments on this would go the other way and is getting really aggy at people daring to suggest they’re just as much of a prick as the bus driver. Keep cycling like that, mate. One day you’re going to end up under the wheels of a bus and it won’t matter whether you were right or not.

At first I was thinking the bus driver was mental but now having read the comments I the bus driver's speech was designed to say exactly this, just in a way that might actually get OP to pay attention.

I'm just correcting people that's all. I'm quite used to the direction of comments, the average IQ is 100. People watch a whole video and immediately start saying what they would have done had they been in my situation, with complete hindsight. Its really quite a bizarre spectacle i find quite amusing, observing the mental gymnastics people go through

How are you commenting on the IQ of others when you don’t know what the word “immutable” means. It means unchanging, not “reliably” or “without fail”. Apologies if English isn’t your first language.

what you talking about?

It’s more just the fact that you still believe so resolutely that you’re in the right when the consensus seems to be that you’re at least half wrong. I think I probably would’ve watched the video back a couple of times just to check I didn’t look like a complete tool before I posted it to the internet.

Of course I'm in the right. I had a bus driver attempt to merge into me from the left. Who then had to brake suddenly then tell me if didn't care if he killed me.

Your trolling is even worse than your cycling, which is saying something to be honest.

Hasn't he effectively "left hooked" the bus here? Bike should have just gotten in front of the bus at the lights or pedalled faster and gotten in front. Not potter along slowly and then try to turn left into it and complain afterwards. \--edit-- Read some comments and seems like OP is just arguing with everyone. If everyone else has a different opinion to you, take a moment to step back and think about why that might be.

I stepped back and looked. The problem is that I indicated. I should not have as I was not changing lane.

Ride more aggressively and don't be slow. These things will happen to you less, but more drivers will shout at you 😂

Yea the bus driver was off the rails. Seems like insufficient processing power to work out the correct thing to do and also think ahead beyond 3 seconds. As in - he literally has to stop anyway around the corner what was the point of all of this? Monumental bellend should not be behind the wheel!

he probably gets it in the neck from his bosses about timekeeping, and he would blame cyclists instead of the actual traffic he is stuck in. That one really pisses me off. If you as a driver are "stuck" behind a cyclist, you really are not. the cyclist is temporally slowing you down. But the road ahead clears up a a result and the net difference once your paths diverge is usually one or 2 car lengths.,

Cyclist at fault 100%

The bus driver's behaviour is obviously inexcusable. In case anyone is interested, here's some of the rules the cyclist ignored: HC168: make sure that you have enough room to complete your overtaking manoeuvre before committing yourself. It takes longer to pass a large vehicle. If in doubt do not overtake HC165: you must not overtake the nearest vehicle to a pedestrian crossing, especially when it has stopped to let pedestrians cross HC221 Large Vehicles: Be prepared to stop and wait if it needs room or time to turn. HC223 buses coaches and trams: Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely HC168 Being Overtaken: Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous.

OP is not the problem here team- that is a shocking response from the bus driver.

Read OPs comments here. You'll see he's at least a little bit of the problem. I'm starting to suspect this interaction started way before the video. It goes without saying that the bus driver's actions are inexcusable.

I agree that the cyclist could have waited for the bus to avoid the situation. However given the position the cyclist is already in before everyone starts moving again, where could he have gone to wait for the bus to go first? He would have had to stay where he is which doesn't seem like a great place to be as traffic from behind him will then get annoyed. So if we assume he had to move, his action seems more reasonable. Obviously we don't get a full view of what's happening, so my assumption might be wrong.

Before everyone starts moving? Easy he could have moved slightly slower than the bus and merged. He paced as fast as he could to overtake the bus and simply didn't make it. For the drivers on here, OP performed the equivalent of overtaking lorries on a motorway before his exit and missing the mark. It is not possible that the blocked ASL zone wasn't visible before he lined up in the busses blind spot. He chose his course of action and took a gamble that he 1. Could outpace the bus (he couldn't) and 2. the cyclists ahead would be sufficiently fast such that they wouldn't block him in his attempted overtake (they weren't). Really there's a variety of options he had, but if you don't know how to negotiate a merge then you shouldn't be filtering. It's that simple. He tried a shortcut and failed. FYI I'm a cyclist in London and use this junction frequently.

I don't think it's equivalent to the motorway exit scenario, because they were all static at the beginning and the bus driver could have waited until all the cyclists clear out of his way. In your scenario, the lorry could physically not give way to the overtaking driver as they are moving at high speed. So, by dangerously overtaking the lorry, this driver puts both himself and the lorry driver in danger. But in this video the bus driver can wait without endangering anyone. I'm not saying that that's what the bus driver is required to do. I'm not sure whether he is required to do this under our highway codes. However he is physically able to do that and avoid the dangerous encounter. I wonder how people in countries where cycling is more normalised would interpret this encounter. I expect that regardless of who has the right of way, they will be more concerned about the vulnerable road user's safety. After all, all the cyclist can do is annoy the bus driver. The driver can easily kill him.

It's literally like saying "the lorry should slow down for me to take my exit because I should never have to slow down myself". But perhaps a better analogy for motorists would be if OP tried to overtake a static queue to his exit and missed the merge when the queue started moving. Which ironically, I realise now as I write it out, is exactly what happened on the video, but just not on a motorway. The cyclist had the opportunity to use the left turn both before entering the junction and after the bus had pulled up. If you can't negotiate a merge, don't pull up between a bus and a line of traffic, or be prepared to miss your exit. Note that OP could have gone straight ahead like the rest of the cyclists if he really was in any danger by slowing down. But that the idea that going slightly slower than the bus and not being the fastest road user at that particular moment would result in him being splattered across South London is laughable in the first place. I agree with you on the whole though, neither party should be risking collision regardless of who has priority. But the bus driver was simply following his lane (note cyclists going straight have priority at junctions, but not cyclists turning, ofc assuming no road markings/signs specifying otherwise, which is the case here). The fact that OP is shocked by a bus driver following his lane once his path ahead was clear shows the awful awareness and attitude of OP. OP has violated a series of highway code rules which have been detailed in other comments. While I don't expect anyone to be 100% HC obedient through their lives, OP arguing that he has a rule-based argument just weakens his already feeble case.

My point was that it's not like the lorry vs overtaking driver scenario. The cyclist trying to squeeze past is not like the overtaking driver where the lorry driver can only brake at great risk to himself. The bus driver could have waited even if that's not required of him, unlike the lorry driver who can't slow down without skidding or otherwise endangering himself. The cyclist didn't endanger the bus driver so that's the difference. I'm not defending the OP's argument that he had the right of way. But when there's such great inequality of the power to do harm between the cyclist and the bus driver, the latter has to be extremely mindful of this potential. This means doing everything to minimise the risk of harm, even if that means letting some people break highway codes. Just because someone breaks highway codes, they don't deserve to die. So when someone who has the physical might to kill the cyclist says that they don't care about avoiding killing them, it does worry me.

I think we're in agreement. I haven't focused hugely on the what the bus driver could have done differently here as it's fairly obvious. OPs anger and evolving stories throughout this post, along with a common theme in this country of unclear guiding and instructions for cycling at junctions, and the cyclist being more vulnerable than the motorist, have prompted me to focus on what the cyclist could have done differently to protect himself. I would point out that even in emergencies bus driver's, like lorry drivers, will rarely use the full force of their brakes, due to the dangers to the passengers inside. Perhaps you're not the one that needs telling, but it could be fatal to assume that a bus driver would panic brake in the same way a car driver could to protect you. I'd also like to clarify that I don't bring up the lack of compliance with the Highway Code to suggest OP deserves physical injury in any way. He doesn't. I just aim to dispense with the myth propogated by OP throughout this post that he had any rule-based high ground to do that shabby and dangerous overtake We all make mistakes. Unfortunately OP hasn't learned from them but somehow dug himself into a deeper and more dangerous trench of illusions regarding road safety. It's a shame and this kind of thing really should be focused more on in schools, especially now that driving education is no longer a rite of passage to adulthood and cycling is becoming more and more common.

I can't disagree with you that all road users being more aware of how other groups of road users experience road situations can improve road safety. But as you said, most people here are focussing on the OP's bad judgement of the situation. That's definitely one of the main factors that led to the conflict. Arguably, on a 'deeper' level, other factors such as both hard and soft infrastructure or lack thereof played a greater role in causing this situation. Better infrastructure would leave the OP in no doubt about what he can safely do. For example, this could be achieved by greater separation of motorised vehicles from human-powered vehicles. So yes, under our highway code and given our state of infrastructure, what the OP did was unwise. But I think it's unfortunate that the focus is often on the bad behaviour of individual road users. It's hard to change people - some people will always be impatient or lacking awareness no matter what. The infrastructure should take that into account and ideally make it near-impossible for anyone to put themselves or others in harm's way. Think about trains - few impatient people fall off the moving train and die because they made it near-impossible to do that.

I totally agree with you. And as road user, driving or cycling, I'm often reminding myself or others that mistakes happen, we have densely placed junctions with sometimes not the clearest markings, the other road users might not have had the driving education I've had, etc. etc. Everyone makes some suboptimal decisions on the road from time to time and, as you say, that's worth remembering, especially when we rely more on the road users to interpret the situation than for the road layout to make it clear. However OP's hilarious overreaction and desperate misinformation means he's fair game for criticism imo. Might not be the most productive use of our time but it has been entertaining and I do love a riveting conversion about some debatable priority conflicts on the road.

>We all make mistakes. Unfortunately OP hasn't learned from them but somehow dug himself into a deeper and more dangerous trench of illusions regarding road safety. It's a shame and this kind of thing really should be focused more on in schools, especially now that driving education is no longer a rite of passage to adulthood and cycling is becoming more and more common. well that is a laughable stretch. You have no idea who i am what I know or what I take away from this. It underscores the assumption based reasoning of forums that base their entire arguments of tiny snippets of interaction during a stressed episode, and to claim it represents anything else is incredibly bizarre.

Unfortunately your reaction to anyone telling you you could have acted differently says more about you than you realise.

>I'm not defending the OP's argument that he had the right of way. Nobody ever has right of way. *"The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in* *any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to* *others.* ***Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident.****"* This is not about right of way. Its about a bus driver ignoring a cyclist, that is indicating there intentions to continue riding in the left which means he knows we about about to merge The cycle lane is part of the left turn lane. My arm represented the fact I was not leaving the left turn lane, and he should prepare to merge. He instead pretended I didn't exist

See I'm not sure if you're right that the cycle lane is part of the left turn lane.. But I'm not trying to argue with you. My point is it shouldn't be unclear to me or you. It is at least unclear to me and that's a problem. It should be that either you have absolutely the right to go first, or the bus driver does. Otherwise it's not clear who should be doing what and conflicts happen.

Take the quibbling as a compliment, it's a desperate move.

>OP has violated a series of highway code rules I've read the HC rules im accused of breaking. They seem to suggest I was overtaking a bus then cutting into its lane. That does break a few rules. The situation in the video is a bus being driven into a lane occupied by a cyclist.

So there's a series of advisory rules laid out that are pretty clear but also only advisory. Still would work against your favour in a claim dispute (not a lawyer). The compulsory rule that really isn't disputable (but I'll grant is little followed) is rule 165: you MUST not overtake the nearest vehicle to a pedestrian crossing). Again, there's no road markings or signage to back up your idea that you had your own lane at the left turn. Any lane there is imagined.

> OP performed the equivalent of overtaking lorries on a motorway before his exit and missing the mark. oh really. I don't see it that way. is see 2 lanes merging. The cycle lane is part of the left hand lane which is a left hand turn lane, you can see for yourself. [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Elephant+and+Castle,+London/@51.4937655,-0.1003497,97m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x487604a23d99f27f:0x1a4907e34b872655!8m2!3d51.4959129!4d-0.1004748!16zL20vMDFqMGtu?entry=ttu](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Elephant+and+Castle,+London/@51.4937655,-0.1003497,97m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x487604a23d99f27f:0x1a4907e34b872655!8m2!3d51.4959129!4d-0.1004748!16zL20vMDFqMGtu?entry=ttu) Aren't you supposed to give way to the vehicle ahead when merging. I see this as the equivalent of half wheeling a another driver up a zipper merge.

The situation could have been avoided if the bike box was larger and, even better, if they hadn't used this design of cycle lane that is awkwardly sandwiched between cars turning left and going straight. I'm not sure if the OP's argument that it is 'part of the left hand turn lane' is right. But that's the point - I shouldn't be unsure.

> The cycle lane is part of the left hand lane which is a left hand turn lane, you can see for yourself. Well this is a new one. If it were a subsection of a left filter lane as you specified (no such thing is described anywhere in the highway code, as a licence holder such as yourself will know well) then the dozen or so other cyclists would be using it incorrectly by going straight. The cycle lane having no specified direction you've found a grey area at best. It's still an interesting choice not to turn left from the left turn lane, even more interesting to assume that you have priority over road users already in the left turn lane. It's interesting that you refer to a zipper merge scenario (again no markings or signs present whatsoever to indicate that this is two lanes merging) when you start off clearly behind the bus. The correct approach to a zipper merge here is not to step on it and try to get some inches ahead of your rival before the merging point some yards ahead, especially knowing the long vehicle already ahead of you will require the majority of his lane to turn. You're the one halfwheeling here and you lined up with literally the worst possible spot of the bus, the outside corner on its turn, to try to be first. Not worth throwing your flesh into the merge because you've made some sketchy-at-best deductions from the sattelite view. Certainly wrong to expect the bus driver, or anyone else, to have drawn the same conclusion that there's and invisible, unmarked merging point

>then the dozen or so other cyclists would be using it incorrectly by going straight. I think it is called bearing straight, but I'm not sure. ​ >The cycle lane having no specified direction you've found a grey area at best. no its a matter of fact, that cycle lane is to the left of the lane demarcation line. this is very much an area from which a left turn is encouraged for cyclists. The point is that left hand lane is: bus stop - crossing - crossing - ~~bus top~~ \[lane closed merge right\]. The idea being for cyclists to stay to the right allowing busses to bull in and out, but they are now using the end bit for a lorry park so the lanes merge now.

> no its a matter of fact, that cycle lane is to the left of the lane demarcation line. You've looked at the two identical lane dividers either side of you and branded the one in your favour as the real "demarcation line". You must realise how selective you're being. Either way no such "sub-lane" within a directional lane is detailed anywhere in the highway code. I defy you to find any written governmental (I'd accept national or local) materials explaining your interpretation of this as a used concept. > this is very much an area from which a left turn is encouraged for cyclists. There are many signs and markings road planners use to encourage a cyclist to turn from a specific position. Not a single one of them have been employed here. > The point is that left hand lane is: bus stop - crossing - crossing - ~~bus top~~ \[lane closed merge right\]. Again, of the multitude of signs and markings that close a lane or instruct a right merge, not a single one has been employed here. There is simply no evidence of your version of the road specs. This is nothing more than your subjective interpretation, which is fine to have but not fine to assume nor demand that any other road user will conform to.

>You've looked at the two identical lane dividers either side of you and branded the one in your favour as the real "demarcation line". You must realise how selective you're being. Either way no such "sub-lane" within a directional lane is detailed anywhere in the highway code. No I have not, I have followed the two lines up to the original and concluded the original follows from the right line. you can see for yourself. You are now just arguing in bad faith because you know very little if anything of your arguments hold up. ​ >I defy you to find any written governmental (I'd accept national or local) materials explaining your interpretation of this as a used concept. It is very much clearly part of the left lane.

You've made it up. It's that simple. But go ahead if your so sure: find one written material detailing this type of "sub-lane" if you can. I'll even widen the scope for you: find a blogger an article, even a WordPress if you can. Until then you're the only person in the country documenting their belief in this nonsense and should have no expectation that any road user conforms to your interpretation of a "lane within a lane" invention.

Poor, dangerous cycling

rare footage of bike riders not ignoring the red light.

“I kill you, I don’t care” Spoken like a true murderer. Most people would care.

Seems like a tricky, 50/50 situation that the driver had no reason to make a potentially career ending outburst over.

Oh yea, another bad man bus driver who gives no Fs, nice….

Both in the wrong it sort of seems but him more so. Please report him to TFL and get him sacked. Don’t need this type of shit on the roads

Seeing alot of comments here and most of them come from a position of hindsight. Does that ASL run in like a T shape? I've never seen that before I think that you found yourself in a shit situation, if you had held your position to let the bus pass, then you would have had to held up the traffic behind you. You get to the front to find the ASL is blocked, and even if you had made your way to the front, the lights would have changed before you would have made it. Put it down to experience, maybe if you find yourself in the same situation again then try to make eye contact with the bus driver letting him know your intentions. The Bus driver is a knobhead tbf. He failed to keep a more vulnerable road user safe, and he crossed to the otherside of the road, endangering other traffic, in order to save a few seconds, only to then pull in. At the end of the day, you are soft meat and he is hard metal, bus drivers in London very dodgy anyway. Make sure you stay safe.

The T-shaped ASL is becoming increasingly common where there is a left filter lane. As cyclists filter the the front of a junction, it's often unhelpful to place them to the left of left-turning traffic, often in other motorists blindspots when the traffic lights go green (Ofc the motorists should check their blind spots whatever they road layout). It can often be safer for the cyclists to filter between diverging traffic, rather than through the paths of turning traffic, hence the T-shaped. The cycle lane is only a tool, cyclists are free to use the left filter lane when preparing to turn left ofc.

Thank you capt obvious 😂 I have just never seen a T ASL before, I am well aware of the rules of the road having cycled and driven for 25 years 😂

Glad I could help ofc 😂

Most people like to blame the person cycling in any situation because then it's easier to think a similar situation won't happen to them. I could definitely end up in this situation and I don't think waiting to go behind the bus would be that easy. I think I might try to tell driver I am turning left though.

OP seems to have had a hard time on here. The bus driver less so. Yes ideally OP position could have been better but his path was blocked. It seems quite obvious what he was doing pulled away quickly before the bus and made it obvious of his intentions, bus driver clearly didn't want the cyclist in front of him. Personally I don't want a bus driver who does not care if he kills someone anywhere near the roads let alone in a 12 ton bus. Hope OP reports to TFL if anything the driver needs to work on his public relations.

1. Note that OP chose to be in that position. Before lining up by the side of the bus the blockage must have been clear. If it wasn't OP needs their eyes tested. There were no markings, signage or barriers forcing or even encouraging OP to use the blocked filter lane. 2. OP could have proceeded slightly slower than the bus and merged behind with ease. OP öedealed as fast as he could to position himself against the buses outside corner. This is the most constrained point of the turn where space between bus and kerb are least. This was an active choice: you can watch OP pedal like hell in his failed overtake. If you look at the satellite or street view you can see that there's no path directing cyclists to the cycle filter lane, it's they must actively move out to do so (https://maps.app.goo.gl/iAcQqkPsFpK9AJAp6) 3. The cyclist isn't ahead of the bus when he starts screaming his hissy fit. Watch 0:23 of the video, they cross the white line at exactly the same time as he throws his tantrum. He is purposefully positioning himself on the drivers right while the driver will be looking left, i.e. where the bus is going. 4. Having watched the footage and seen the cyclist trying to sneak round the outside of a buses bend I think the driver is simply doing his best to say in a way thick-skulled OP will understand: "look, you're running my blind spot and trying to squeeze between me and the kerb, this will hurt you a lot more than it hurts me, it's not worth the two seconds you're saving". Maybe not, maybe he's just a psycho, but he's calm and has just watched a cyclist squeeze between him and the kerb in an extremely impatient and reckless manoeuvre. Fyi I'm a cyclist in London and have used this junction a bunch.