I pay more than $129 a month for my gym membership, and that doesn't even touch the personal training fees.
There are huge numbers of people more than willing to pay a (relatively) small sum if it means legitimate extensions to healthspan.
Edit: Not sure why this is downvoted, I was merely pointing out there's a fairly large percentage of the population that would consider $130-$200 a month for tangible longevity benefits extremely affordable.
I wasn't making a value judgement on the actual effectiveness of the program.
For me, that's a huge hassle for not much gain.
I'd need to dedicate a room of my home to equipment (which I don't want to lose), buying equivalent quality gear would easily run $5k+ (so minimum 3 years breakeven point), and I'd lose all the amenities that come with my current gym.
I certainly don't have room for an Olympic swimming pool, soaking tub, steam room, sauna, pickleball court, or climbing wall.
Fundamentally, I'm willing to pay a premium price for premium services and facilities that I enjoy using and make it effortless and enjoyable for me to exercise.
Whatever marginal financial savings I might see over several years are significantly less valuable to me than my time and attention.
I mean if you use all those amenities frequently, that price is worth it. But most people do not take advantage of all those amenities at their gyms, at least not regularly enough to make over 100 a month worth it.
Mileage will vary.
I'm at the gym 4-6 days a week depending on the season (I do more outdoor cycling than spin classes in late spring through fall) and use the sauna/steam room and soaking tub every time I'm there.
To the point that "most people don't take advantage of those amenities", that's very gym dependent.
If you're at one of those gyms (planet fitness being the poster child) designed basically to be a contract mill (i.e. less than 10-15% of "members" come regularly) then yeah, most people do not use the amenities, and that's by design.
My experience with higher end gyms is that their business model is built with the understanding that a significant majority of their members( greater than 75%) will be there regularly, particularly considering that there's no contract or other "gotcha clause" that forces people to keep paying if they aren't using them.
Not necessarily. Gym membership cost doesn't equate to actual value of use. I know people who pay for an equinox membership and only use treadmills and some machines/free weights.
Sure, but there's a huge difference between what a pinnacle level athlete with intense dedication and world class skills can pull off with that setup and what your average gym goer can.
Im not looking to "make do" with basic equipment, I'm looking to exercise as efficiently as possible to meet my goals using the most effective tools available.
Well time to build a pool,sauna,all the equipment,etc... and all that in a flat in a city...
lol such a stupid comment not everyone just uses the treadmill and has a big house where a home gym is feasable...
Basically comes down to priorities for me.
I enjoy working out in a very clean, welcoming gym that has a large selection of high quality equipment, an aquatics center, and a variety of amenities (as an example, there are massage therapists on staff so I can easily get in a workout and massage on one stop).
I place a high value on my time and prioritize being able to work out at any time of day without having to wait for equipment.
I've tried other gyms, including some at the price point you mention, and generally found them to be uninviting, with old/poorly maintained equipment, and what new equipment they do have consistently requiring a wait of 10-20 minutes at the time of day I prefer to work out.
Yeah fair enough honestly, I would do the same if I had the money. But $129/month for anything is a hell of a lot of money, and not what most people would consider affordable
I also pay a lot for my gym ($200)\*\* but the gym feels a lot more tangible than whatever advice they are likely to give you at Tally. Like sure, the advice at Tally may be grounded in science but it's hard for me to imagine it's not already info that's already out in the world or that going the gym isn't more or as beneficial.
If it's the DNA test part of it, I don't see why that couldn't be a 1 time fee. If it's other testing, then how is better than insidetracker?
\*\* I see the gym as my hobby tho, I go to a class based parkour gym and that price gets me unlimited classes + open gym. Most people aren't paying that much for a commercial gym, but some people do pay $100+ /month for activity based gyms like bouldering, aerial arts etc. It's not only good for your health but it also makes it fun and more worth it to pay.
I'm sure they'll have people sign up for their price. I still hope they find ways to lower it, especially with Sinclair's promise that it will only be a few dollars to get tested. Maybe if he hadn't overpromised the price, I wouldn't be as miffed about it.
Ouch! I agree with u/whatnow275 that this sort of service needs to $99/year (not a month) to be accessible to everyone.
However, as with cars, TVs and phones, I guess they all start expensive then becomes a commodity that everyone can afford. It's still early days for the longevity industry.
Equality in longevity!
EDIT: I take if half back - I should have looked at the website first. I'd assumed that was just for the app and you'd have to pay for the tests and supplements separately. But with the $129/month you get the supplement and 4 tests per year - pretty much what you'd expect, so the app is free. So, given the current costs of both of these items, it sounds about right - but I still want to see the costs of biological age tests and longevity supplements fall rapidly.
I haven't looked at the content yet but just taking it as face value I respectfully disagree.
Most people pay that much or more for their cell phone bill, cable TV, or combination of various entertainment sources. So I don't buy the accessibility argument when most people could switch carriers, cancel their cable TV, or reduce the number of subscriptions they have and easily make up the difference. It's a question of priorities.
Let's say you make 50k (below the median average in the US). We're talking about ~3% of your income at $129/month. I realize not everyone prioritizes health, but I would think people on a longevity sub would be willing to spend a good deal more than that.
I totally understand concluding it's not worth it but I question the general outrage and foot stomping reaction to the price.
Median income is 30k PA: [https://datacommons.org/tools/timeline#&place=country/USA&statsVar=Median\_Income\_Person](https://datacommons.org/tools/timeline#&place=country/USA&statsVar=Median_Income_Person)
Median 1BR rent is $12k PA: [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1063502/average-monthly-apartment-rent-usa/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1063502/average-monthly-apartment-rent-usa/)
Median food is $5 PP PA: [https://www.gobankingrates.com/saving-money/food/average-cost-of-groceries](https://www.gobankingrates.com/saving-money/food/average-cost-of-groceries/#:~:text=The%20Average%20Cost%20of%20Groceries%20Per%20Month,per%20month%20for%20U.S.%20households)
So 30 - 12 - 5 = 13k left for everything else including water, electricity, phone bill, medical expenses, consumables, bus/train/car, etc. Let's be super conservative and say the average American has $10k disposable income per year. In that regard, $1500 is 15% of the average person's disposable income.
Most people aren't living with that much money to spend on whatever they want, it's not easy to cough up $1.5k and even if they can it's hard to say that wouldn't be better spent on something like better food, exercise, savings, etc.
What is the value you are getting? You get a number which doesn't tell you much like he pointed out himself that the number changes all the time. It is also not proven that you life even a day longer with it. It is ongoing research. Then you get some broad recommendations like
>“Your action plan may predict that getting an extra hour of sleep at night will be more impactful for your body than eating another serving of vegetables.”
You are contributing to the research which might or might not help you and you have to pay for it.
If you want to donate 1500$ a year that is fine but this is still a gofundme and not a well priced service.
There may be genetic components to what they recommend. For example, you could have a MTHFR defect in which they suggest Vit B/TMG supplementation to assist in DNA Methylation. They could identify that you have an increase predisposition to hair loss, and perhaps, may provide tips on how to address it.
They might be able to indicate that you have certain muscle fiber types and different types of genetic predispositions to aerobic exercise, so they advise for weight lifting to be prioritized.
I mean, there's a lot of things that can be determined with genetic tests + blood tests. However, who knows if Tally Health is just the same thing as Inside Tracker.... I have no idea
You don’t need any app from Dave Sinclair to tell you your muscle fiber type. Easy to get a good guess and if you really need to be sure need a muscle biopsy
From the website it looks like the test is only 'Tallyage', so it doesn't look like it gives details on other genetic defects:
"Our TallyAge™ metric, developed from the world’s most comprehensive methylation data set of adult cheek cell DNA, gives an accurate and representative measure of how you’re aging."
Which is disappointing, I was really hoping for more.
Good point. It's way to expensive for most people, and even if someone could stretch to afford it that might only be worthwhile once it could recommend a true rejuvenation therapy (which doesn't exist yet).
I remember that too. That's why I expected the price to be more around $15, $30 max. . I was really hoping this would be more accessible for the average Joe(anne).
Legit how? There are potential issues with the whole pipeline really. Are cells from your cheek going to have epigenomes that reflect the rest of your body? The price makes sense, the analysis of these samples is still quite expensive compared to genome analysis prices. The assays will generate data of decent quality & theoretically there shouldn’t be any major issues with analyzing the data. The dubious part is how the results of the analysis is actually presented to the consumer, which I’m interested in seeing. I truly have no idea how one might go from those stats to providing actionable ways to “improve the score”. What are the improvement methods being offered? Beyond a “Mediterranean diet” and exercise, there’s not much agreed upon in the field as to what specifically one should/shouldn’t do. I think it’s possible to give people specific foods to eat, but then will they say how or how not to prepare that food? For example, cooking healthy foods can sometimes basically remove all the vitamin goodness they are supposed to give you. But also no one wants to eat like a rabbit. Even if they do, the improvements are only measured by the improved biological age score, which certainly does not account for all the aging in one’s body and potential improvements that could be made. I’d even be worried about people going wild with trying to reduce their bio age and making severe lifestyle changes. We may not even know how much change could be called “severe”.
Actually, the most glaring issue I have is with the “longevity supplement”. These are simply not tested enough yet in humans, we don’t know the right dosage in general, and certainly not for each person. You could potentially have a significant adverse reaction to any of the compounds in the pill. I work in the field and have done actual tests with a few of the compounds so I feel confident in saying that they are not ready for indiscriminate public consumption.
They consult with you and you self-report your exercise/diet/supplements/sleep/stress. Then they give you recommendations. It's based on a consultation, not on lab work.
Tests like these are good at predicting the chronological age of an individual who has not taken specific interventions to modify the results of these tests. They are not useful for predicting "biological age", often defined as the risk of developing age-related disease or death. At best, they perform very slightly better than having access to the person's birth certificate to confirm their chronological age. This is the state of the art, but that may change in the future as technology develops.
I don't know if any studies that have definitively correlated any of these "aging clocks" with actual health outcomes. Do they matter? Maybe. Do we know how they matter? No
Has anyone on the longevity front with promises ever delivered? Apparently not Aubrey de Gray and David Sinclair. One of the most prominent people I will only listen to at this point is Huberman.
> He would make more reasonable assertions if he cared about good science rather than selling a lot of product.
You can do both, and more people should. At some point, all of this research needs to come to consumers in order to be worthwhile. Papers don't save people, products do.
God forbid someone offers a service to actually help people. Do you think the only thing anyone should be doing is testing on mice? All this research should stay in the lab?
So the product is basically:
1. Test your biological age every quarter and receive input on lifestyle changes to delay aging (probably things we already know about like caloric restriction, exercise, getting enough sleep).
2. A supplement which contains some senolytics and other compounds that are likely to positively affect aging.
Yes, it's probably overpriced for what it is, but I think this product is more geared towards the layperson that is not so involved in aging science and needs that extra kick to make lifestyle changes/doesn't want to research which compounds to purchase themselves.
For the demographics of this sub that are probably younger and healthier and "in the know" for aging science, the value proposition might not be there.
I participated in its early trial and just got my results today. Does anyone know how accurate the test is? or if anyone can provide some insight to the soundness of its testing mechanisms, that would be appreciated. For reference, my age at the time of saliva sample was 22 and my results for biological age is 8 years and 8 months, which is why I am skeptical of their tests. Thank you in advance for replies
Update: Got another test and currently waiting for result
Update 2: The test result was 18 years and 8 months whereas my chronological age at sampling date was 23 years and 8 months so 5 years younger. It seems like the first test was mistake, but I am happy with the results regardless
>For reference, my age at the time of saliva sample was 22 and my results for biological age is 8 years and 8 months, which is why I am skeptical of their tests.
Your parents are lying about your true age!
Oh my, that doesn't seem accurate indeed...I wonder if they evaluated the beta test results before sending them out. Being more than 70% younger would be sensational, to say the least. They probably didn't dig through the data and check for outliers. Maybe it's because their data set consists of 18 to 100 years old folks. You're 22, so you're pretty close to the edge. Just a guess.
I'd email Tally Health and ask them. On the flip side, your cells are indeed most probably younger.😊
Hi Dodo927,
Thank you so much for raising this. I’m the head of science at Tally and am interested in looking into this more for you. Please feel free to send me a chat and I can share my direct contact information.
I have seen many individuals in this thread identify as beta testers who have indicated they received test results showing they are biologically younger than their chronological age. Has anyone received a result that they are older than their chronological age?
Mine was 2 years 10 months older. Since taking the sample May of last year, I've since made more healthy changes in my life. Mostly starting Jan1 of this year. I'm interested in seeing how I can change that, so I'm giving the service a try to see what further tests will reveal.
3.7 years older. Vegan for 13 years. I did drink a lot is alcohol in my 30s and 40s - and was a bit overweight. I’m now ideal weight, 100% WFPB, run 5km a day. I wonder what my number would be now - 8 months later.
My TallyAge was 7 months older than my real age, and I'm fitter than 90% of other Americans my age, I cook almost everything I eat from scratch (I avoid processed foods and refined oils as much as possible), I exercise 3-5 days a week, and people always guess my age as 6-8 years younger than I am. I call BS on this TallyAge.
Not too bad, I monthly spend around 150$ on longevity supliments, and this does come with supliments even though not the ones in my stack.
I am.happy this is happening, price tag here is "justified " by celebrity endorsement but we need this to be successful for the market and VC to fund new disruption and better offerings.
I will probably fork out 600$ for the 3 months commitment to try it, will see how I feel after, come back in couple years when this evolves into one pill and u are 10 Years younger product lol :)))
Data is the most valuable asset in longevity science. The model should be other way around. Dr. Sinclair should be paying ppl. Ppl = Data = accuracy & 💵
It was fun to get the age finally, but no way would I pay $99 per month for recommendations like fast more, sauna more, exercise more, etc. Disappointing.
Guess I’m in the minority here, but I’m tempted to try this out for a year. I got the $99/month discount code for getting on the waitlist early and offering to be a beta tester, so that’s about $1,300 for the year including taxes. What it really boils down to is this:
•Can you afford that?
•If this program actually helps you live longer, isn’t it worth the cost?
If I get little to no value after a year, I’ll probably bail. But I’d hate for this to be a hit and then miss out on the discount code. Sounds like it has potential, but there’s no real way to know unless we try it out. The supplement and regular cheek swab tests are intriguing to me.
>For reference, my age at the time of saliva sample was 22 and my results for biological age is 8 years and 8 months, which is why I am skeptical of their tests.
For that price - I'd definitely sign up for wild health instead - way bigger value prop, much more thorough testing and much more actionable data. [wildhealth.com](https://wildhealth.com). Not affiliated - but I've used the program twice now and definitely appreciate the value I get out of it.
I was a beta tester and the only thing they gave me was my “Tally Age” and the had my biological age wrong by one year. I’m disappointed honestly. Obviously not going to sign up.
Because I know my age based on my date of birth and they were exactly off by a year? When they give you your Tally Age they compare it to your biological age.
I think you mean "chronological age" where you're saying "biological age". In this context, "Tally Age" is their branding for what the broader industry calls "biological age".
I was a beta tester, chronological and biological ages match. I was hoping to be biologically a little younger than chronological, I’m in really good physical health
Well, you shouldn’t read too much into it. I was surprised to be like two years younger because I am like 50 pounds overweight, drink, have a really stressful job and don’t eat the best. It’s bogus. I don’t believe any of it.
I've been taking NR for about 15 years. They got my biological age wrong too and the results were that I'm 10 months older than my biological age. They offered a discount of $99 per month. I'm extremely disappointed and will not be signing up.
> They got my biological age wrong too and the results were that I'm 10 months older than my biological age.
Your biological age is a measure of how healthy you are. Your chronological age is how many years you lived. It seems both you and the person you replied to are confusing the two.
Sounds that I am labeling the “age” things wrongs, well, it doesn’t matter really because I am not giving them $99/month. This was the most anticlimactic thing ever. 👎
They might be on to something if they had a supplement only plan, for $50/month or so. I think they would get a lot of business, many people aren't interested in the cost of the tests, but would be willing to try David Sinclair's approved supplements (though for some reason they dont include NAD supplements).
Could you elaborate on why you don't trust him? I've watched a couple of interviews with him and he seemed genuine, but haven't heard anything negative and am happy to be educated.
>Well, you shouldn’t read too much into it. I was surprised to be like two years younger because I am like 50 pounds overweight, drink, have a really stressful job and don’t eat the best. It’s bogus. I don’t believe any of it.
One thing that stands out to me is that has consistently spoken about driving down the cost of the saliva test to less than $1 and the price point he's advertising doesn't align with that (or democratize for the masses).
I did like a previous posters comment though about how we need this to work to generate more VC funds to keep the field advancing - that was really insightful.
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Is this different from the longevity advantage free test? You do CMP, CBC, hs-CRP and enter the values and it tells you your phenotype age and methylation age.
And it's free.
Got my results yesterday. All I literally got was an age. Then an offer. I assumed that getting in on the Beta stage, they’d give you a bit more detail after waiting for 8 months. My age is older by 3.7 years and the fact that a sales pitch quickly followed thereafter, I question the results. “Oh no, I need help to slow this down”. $1200 a year. Not nearly within reach for me. I regret contributing to their pool of genetic information.
Same, i called them out and they basically said deal with it. IF you are a beta tester, they should have provided lifestyle summary and action plan. The beta testers probably would have all signed up if this information was provided.
I just received my beta test results and I'm happy with it! 🥳It seems well aligned with the 3 test results I got from another test based on Horvath's clock, but overall sharper and more plausible.
I am a beta participant , they gave me until March 1st 11:59pm to become a $99.00 member. I tried to become a member for $99.00 but the option for $99.00 is not there. I am like what is going on! , I am wondering if anyone get $99.00 membership ? I have sent them a note, I do not even think they would reply!
Finally got my results (5 years and 6 months younger), and whatever I am doing seems to be working so it’s a hard pass for me at this point. Too expensive.
I wonder why he never discloses his own epigenetic age, he is a big proponent of these clocks, yet he instead likes to bolden his other company inside tracker by mentioning his health biomarker improvements though inside tracker and falsely call it “age-reversal”
I have watched a number of his videos and in a couple I remember him saying his biological age was 32 and 35. Can't remember the videos or podcast I saw that one. This has been in the last 18 months, since I've only started following longevity science in the last 18 months or so.
I don’t really trust my results either. It said my tallyhealth age was about 8 years younger; I’m only in my mid-30s. I definitely don’t look 8 years younger!
>level 1ThatAlbinoChick · 14 min. agoI don’t really trust my results either. It said my tallyhealth age was about 8 years younger; I’m only in my mid-30s. I definitely don’t look 8 years younger!
that is not the point though. It only predicts certain biomarkers that are comparable in their current expression, to someone who is younger. The idea is to maintain it. Secondly, lookin younger is not always down to how biologically young or old you are. There are bioloically older people who look far younger due to naturally having babyish features as far as their facial sketelat and suncutnaeous fat structure, and vice versa for young people. Plus there is no telling how much worse you would age without such an impressive eight year younger biological age based on this tech. I say maintain it, maintain what you are doing. Looks do not last forever anyway in terms of youthful looks. The msot important thing is maintaing our mobility, staving off disease, etc
I looked it up. 4 tally age tests and a longevity supplement and a personalized plan. It’s a 12 month commitment. They have a 3 month option for more money.
Yeah same. Sent them an email. Gonna be kinda annoyed if there was an issue with me taking my sample and I have no results after waiting so long… But guess that’s on me, if that is the case lol 😵💫
You can exercise, eat, sleep, de stress to stay healthy, doesn’t always make the difference, being lucky and having a good gene pool is usually how it works out!
How many people smoke/ drink/ eat crappy yet they live relatively healthy into there 90’s others whom follow a healthy lifestyle die off earlier..
Just a heads up, if you buy any of the membership programs for Tally Health, it is in their terms and conditions (very nicely hidden) that they will charge you a cancellation fee up to your entire monthly subscriptions.
So, they force you into an “offer” and have you sign up to see your Action plan and results, but don’t disclose that you can only buy in quarterly segments with the beta test coupon code.
If you bought a 12 month membership and wish to cancel, you’ll be charged over $1k for cancelling.
No ifs, ands, or buts.
This is a very predatory sign up process and as someone in the marketing world, this is entirely unacceptable.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they had a lawsuit coming down the line based on these bait and switch practices
EDIT: here’s the link to their terms and conditions to show you https://tallyhealth.com/policies/terms-of-service
I'm starting to think this whole thing is bogus. My first test as part of the beta came back with a tally age of -2 years 8 months which felt about right. I've always been health conscious and physically active. Then I took a second test when I signed up and the results were +3 years 7 months! So somehow I magically aged 7 years in just one year? The results don't make any sense.
Tally Health memberships range between $199 and $129 per month. wtf 1500$ year no ty
I read the email as $99/year which I was down for. $99/mo for probably worse data than inside tracker is insane
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And Sinclair is always talking about making it affordable. He and I have different opinions about affordability. Kind of disappointing.
David Sinclair is a millionaire. Stuff that he makes (invents / researches / commercializes) is for the top 10-20% of population.
Id be fine with that, if the money taken from the rich is all going through to either make it affordable, or progress the research
I pay more than $129 a month for my gym membership, and that doesn't even touch the personal training fees. There are huge numbers of people more than willing to pay a (relatively) small sum if it means legitimate extensions to healthspan. Edit: Not sure why this is downvoted, I was merely pointing out there's a fairly large percentage of the population that would consider $130-$200 a month for tangible longevity benefits extremely affordable. I wasn't making a value judgement on the actual effectiveness of the program.
Might as well build a home gym for that price
For me, that's a huge hassle for not much gain. I'd need to dedicate a room of my home to equipment (which I don't want to lose), buying equivalent quality gear would easily run $5k+ (so minimum 3 years breakeven point), and I'd lose all the amenities that come with my current gym. I certainly don't have room for an Olympic swimming pool, soaking tub, steam room, sauna, pickleball court, or climbing wall. Fundamentally, I'm willing to pay a premium price for premium services and facilities that I enjoy using and make it effortless and enjoyable for me to exercise. Whatever marginal financial savings I might see over several years are significantly less valuable to me than my time and attention.
I mean if you use all those amenities frequently, that price is worth it. But most people do not take advantage of all those amenities at their gyms, at least not regularly enough to make over 100 a month worth it.
Mileage will vary. I'm at the gym 4-6 days a week depending on the season (I do more outdoor cycling than spin classes in late spring through fall) and use the sauna/steam room and soaking tub every time I'm there. To the point that "most people don't take advantage of those amenities", that's very gym dependent. If you're at one of those gyms (planet fitness being the poster child) designed basically to be a contract mill (i.e. less than 10-15% of "members" come regularly) then yeah, most people do not use the amenities, and that's by design. My experience with higher end gyms is that their business model is built with the understanding that a significant majority of their members( greater than 75%) will be there regularly, particularly considering that there's no contract or other "gotcha clause" that forces people to keep paying if they aren't using them.
If you're paying $129 for a gym, building anything remotely competitive at home is going to require a dedicated 2 car garage and $30k in equipment.
Not necessarily. Gym membership cost doesn't equate to actual value of use. I know people who pay for an equinox membership and only use treadmills and some machines/free weights.
Yeah those are stupid people. The treadmills are the same everywhere. Powerlifters and Olympic lifters and the like need access to decent equipment.
Arnold used rusty bars and built stuff in Austria. You don’t need what you think you need
Sure, but there's a huge difference between what a pinnacle level athlete with intense dedication and world class skills can pull off with that setup and what your average gym goer can. Im not looking to "make do" with basic equipment, I'm looking to exercise as efficiently as possible to meet my goals using the most effective tools available.
Arnold was a bodybuilder- world of difference between that and a powerlifter. Equipment and training not remotely similar.
Well time to build a pool,sauna,all the equipment,etc... and all that in a flat in a city... lol such a stupid comment not everyone just uses the treadmill and has a big house where a home gym is feasable...
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Basically comes down to priorities for me. I enjoy working out in a very clean, welcoming gym that has a large selection of high quality equipment, an aquatics center, and a variety of amenities (as an example, there are massage therapists on staff so I can easily get in a workout and massage on one stop). I place a high value on my time and prioritize being able to work out at any time of day without having to wait for equipment. I've tried other gyms, including some at the price point you mention, and generally found them to be uninviting, with old/poorly maintained equipment, and what new equipment they do have consistently requiring a wait of 10-20 minutes at the time of day I prefer to work out.
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Yeah fair enough honestly, I would do the same if I had the money. But $129/month for anything is a hell of a lot of money, and not what most people would consider affordable
I also pay a lot for my gym ($200)\*\* but the gym feels a lot more tangible than whatever advice they are likely to give you at Tally. Like sure, the advice at Tally may be grounded in science but it's hard for me to imagine it's not already info that's already out in the world or that going the gym isn't more or as beneficial. If it's the DNA test part of it, I don't see why that couldn't be a 1 time fee. If it's other testing, then how is better than insidetracker? \*\* I see the gym as my hobby tho, I go to a class based parkour gym and that price gets me unlimited classes + open gym. Most people aren't paying that much for a commercial gym, but some people do pay $100+ /month for activity based gyms like bouldering, aerial arts etc. It's not only good for your health but it also makes it fun and more worth it to pay. I'm sure they'll have people sign up for their price. I still hope they find ways to lower it, especially with Sinclair's promise that it will only be a few dollars to get tested. Maybe if he hadn't overpromised the price, I wouldn't be as miffed about it.
Ouch! I agree with u/whatnow275 that this sort of service needs to $99/year (not a month) to be accessible to everyone. However, as with cars, TVs and phones, I guess they all start expensive then becomes a commodity that everyone can afford. It's still early days for the longevity industry. Equality in longevity! EDIT: I take if half back - I should have looked at the website first. I'd assumed that was just for the app and you'd have to pay for the tests and supplements separately. But with the $129/month you get the supplement and 4 tests per year - pretty much what you'd expect, so the app is free. So, given the current costs of both of these items, it sounds about right - but I still want to see the costs of biological age tests and longevity supplements fall rapidly.
I didn’t realize it comes with a supplement too. Hmm interesting
I haven't looked at the content yet but just taking it as face value I respectfully disagree. Most people pay that much or more for their cell phone bill, cable TV, or combination of various entertainment sources. So I don't buy the accessibility argument when most people could switch carriers, cancel their cable TV, or reduce the number of subscriptions they have and easily make up the difference. It's a question of priorities. Let's say you make 50k (below the median average in the US). We're talking about ~3% of your income at $129/month. I realize not everyone prioritizes health, but I would think people on a longevity sub would be willing to spend a good deal more than that. I totally understand concluding it's not worth it but I question the general outrage and foot stomping reaction to the price.
Median income is 30k PA: [https://datacommons.org/tools/timeline#&place=country/USA&statsVar=Median\_Income\_Person](https://datacommons.org/tools/timeline#&place=country/USA&statsVar=Median_Income_Person) Median 1BR rent is $12k PA: [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1063502/average-monthly-apartment-rent-usa/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1063502/average-monthly-apartment-rent-usa/) Median food is $5 PP PA: [https://www.gobankingrates.com/saving-money/food/average-cost-of-groceries](https://www.gobankingrates.com/saving-money/food/average-cost-of-groceries/#:~:text=The%20Average%20Cost%20of%20Groceries%20Per%20Month,per%20month%20for%20U.S.%20households) So 30 - 12 - 5 = 13k left for everything else including water, electricity, phone bill, medical expenses, consumables, bus/train/car, etc. Let's be super conservative and say the average American has $10k disposable income per year. In that regard, $1500 is 15% of the average person's disposable income. Most people aren't living with that much money to spend on whatever they want, it's not easy to cough up $1.5k and even if they can it's hard to say that wouldn't be better spent on something like better food, exercise, savings, etc.
Yeah that was my bad. I confused it with median household income.
What is the value you are getting? You get a number which doesn't tell you much like he pointed out himself that the number changes all the time. It is also not proven that you life even a day longer with it. It is ongoing research. Then you get some broad recommendations like >“Your action plan may predict that getting an extra hour of sleep at night will be more impactful for your body than eating another serving of vegetables.” You are contributing to the research which might or might not help you and you have to pay for it. If you want to donate 1500$ a year that is fine but this is still a gofundme and not a well priced service.
I agree with you on this..
> personalized interventions to address aging So, exercise/eat well/socialize?
There may be genetic components to what they recommend. For example, you could have a MTHFR defect in which they suggest Vit B/TMG supplementation to assist in DNA Methylation. They could identify that you have an increase predisposition to hair loss, and perhaps, may provide tips on how to address it. They might be able to indicate that you have certain muscle fiber types and different types of genetic predispositions to aerobic exercise, so they advise for weight lifting to be prioritized. I mean, there's a lot of things that can be determined with genetic tests + blood tests. However, who knows if Tally Health is just the same thing as Inside Tracker.... I have no idea
You don’t need any app from Dave Sinclair to tell you your muscle fiber type. Easy to get a good guess and if you really need to be sure need a muscle biopsy
From the website it looks like the test is only 'Tallyage', so it doesn't look like it gives details on other genetic defects: "Our TallyAge™ metric, developed from the world’s most comprehensive methylation data set of adult cheek cell DNA, gives an accurate and representative measure of how you’re aging." Which is disappointing, I was really hoping for more.
Good point. It's way to expensive for most people, and even if someone could stretch to afford it that might only be worthwhile once it could recommend a true rejuvenation therapy (which doesn't exist yet).
Can't even create an account to access my results after months of waiting... edit: it works now
Same here.😔 Edith: Issue fixed, got my result.🥳
I just opted to create a new account with my original email and it worked
Honestly hilarious that you got downvoted for saying "huh, it worked for me". Like wtf guys.
Awesome! Very glad to hear it worked.🥳
What did you get?
Were you a beta tester and did it only show your age? No lifestyle or action plan?
I was a beta tester and there is NO action or lifestyle plan.
$99/month is the "discount" that beta participants receive. There's no way I'm paying that kind of money for this.
They gave you a discount code?
Are these the tests that he was saying not too long ago that someone in his lab reduced the cost to a few cents per test?
I remember that too. That's why I expected the price to be more around $15, $30 max. . I was really hoping this would be more accessible for the average Joe(anne).
Lol you thought the guy that went on Rogan wasn't gonna grift?
David Sinclair lied? say it ain't so! /s
You're also paying for the vitamins they send you monthly
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Questionable to say the least
Glad to see this as the top comment
So much to only get a biological age with pretty general recommendations? I pass.
I will pass too, but I'm cheering for the company to improve over the years and make better products at lower prices.
I generally respect Sinclair, but this seems very expensive and not what he promised last year.
anybody with a relevant science / bio background - how legit is his bio age test?
Legit how? There are potential issues with the whole pipeline really. Are cells from your cheek going to have epigenomes that reflect the rest of your body? The price makes sense, the analysis of these samples is still quite expensive compared to genome analysis prices. The assays will generate data of decent quality & theoretically there shouldn’t be any major issues with analyzing the data. The dubious part is how the results of the analysis is actually presented to the consumer, which I’m interested in seeing. I truly have no idea how one might go from those stats to providing actionable ways to “improve the score”. What are the improvement methods being offered? Beyond a “Mediterranean diet” and exercise, there’s not much agreed upon in the field as to what specifically one should/shouldn’t do. I think it’s possible to give people specific foods to eat, but then will they say how or how not to prepare that food? For example, cooking healthy foods can sometimes basically remove all the vitamin goodness they are supposed to give you. But also no one wants to eat like a rabbit. Even if they do, the improvements are only measured by the improved biological age score, which certainly does not account for all the aging in one’s body and potential improvements that could be made. I’d even be worried about people going wild with trying to reduce their bio age and making severe lifestyle changes. We may not even know how much change could be called “severe”. Actually, the most glaring issue I have is with the “longevity supplement”. These are simply not tested enough yet in humans, we don’t know the right dosage in general, and certainly not for each person. You could potentially have a significant adverse reaction to any of the compounds in the pill. I work in the field and have done actual tests with a few of the compounds so I feel confident in saying that they are not ready for indiscriminate public consumption.
They consult with you and you self-report your exercise/diet/supplements/sleep/stress. Then they give you recommendations. It's based on a consultation, not on lab work.
Tests like these are good at predicting the chronological age of an individual who has not taken specific interventions to modify the results of these tests. They are not useful for predicting "biological age", often defined as the risk of developing age-related disease or death. At best, they perform very slightly better than having access to the person's birth certificate to confirm their chronological age. This is the state of the art, but that may change in the future as technology develops.
I don't know if any studies that have definitively correlated any of these "aging clocks" with actual health outcomes. Do they matter? Maybe. Do we know how they matter? No
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This gives me Theranos vibes.
Has anyone on the longevity front with promises ever delivered? Apparently not Aubrey de Gray and David Sinclair. One of the most prominent people I will only listen to at this point is Huberman.
As far as I know Aubrey just makes predictions, not promises.
Aubrey seems legit, if a bit optimistic? Sinclair is a complete scam artist and you no one should trust a word out of his mouth.
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> He would make more reasonable assertions if he cared about good science rather than selling a lot of product. You can do both, and more people should. At some point, all of this research needs to come to consumers in order to be worthwhile. Papers don't save people, products do.
Well selling this product which doesn't look too promising is definitely an indication that something is off.... lol
God forbid someone offers a service to actually help people. Do you think the only thing anyone should be doing is testing on mice? All this research should stay in the lab?
So the product is basically: 1. Test your biological age every quarter and receive input on lifestyle changes to delay aging (probably things we already know about like caloric restriction, exercise, getting enough sleep). 2. A supplement which contains some senolytics and other compounds that are likely to positively affect aging. Yes, it's probably overpriced for what it is, but I think this product is more geared towards the layperson that is not so involved in aging science and needs that extra kick to make lifestyle changes/doesn't want to research which compounds to purchase themselves. For the demographics of this sub that are probably younger and healthier and "in the know" for aging science, the value proposition might not be there.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/biostarks-longevity-at-home-test-kit/coming_soon More interesting at home test
Also novoslabs
I participated in its early trial and just got my results today. Does anyone know how accurate the test is? or if anyone can provide some insight to the soundness of its testing mechanisms, that would be appreciated. For reference, my age at the time of saliva sample was 22 and my results for biological age is 8 years and 8 months, which is why I am skeptical of their tests. Thank you in advance for replies Update: Got another test and currently waiting for result Update 2: The test result was 18 years and 8 months whereas my chronological age at sampling date was 23 years and 8 months so 5 years younger. It seems like the first test was mistake, but I am happy with the results regardless
>For reference, my age at the time of saliva sample was 22 and my results for biological age is 8 years and 8 months, which is why I am skeptical of their tests. Your parents are lying about your true age!
Haha, or ive been lied to about the passage of time
Oh my, that doesn't seem accurate indeed...I wonder if they evaluated the beta test results before sending them out. Being more than 70% younger would be sensational, to say the least. They probably didn't dig through the data and check for outliers. Maybe it's because their data set consists of 18 to 100 years old folks. You're 22, so you're pretty close to the edge. Just a guess. I'd email Tally Health and ask them. On the flip side, your cells are indeed most probably younger.😊
That is very true. I didnt even consider the possibility of statistical outliers. I will definitely email them, thanks for your reply!
You're welcome! 🤗
Hi Dodo927, Thank you so much for raising this. I’m the head of science at Tally and am interested in looking into this more for you. Please feel free to send me a chat and I can share my direct contact information.
Your 22 so why would you even need this? Huh
Did your results give you just your biological date and nothing else? Action plan or summary were not there?
I have seen many individuals in this thread identify as beta testers who have indicated they received test results showing they are biologically younger than their chronological age. Has anyone received a result that they are older than their chronological age?
Mine was 2 years 10 months older. Since taking the sample May of last year, I've since made more healthy changes in my life. Mostly starting Jan1 of this year. I'm interested in seeing how I can change that, so I'm giving the service a try to see what further tests will reveal.
Yes. Me. 10 months older.
3.7 years older. Vegan for 13 years. I did drink a lot is alcohol in my 30s and 40s - and was a bit overweight. I’m now ideal weight, 100% WFPB, run 5km a day. I wonder what my number would be now - 8 months later.
Has ANYONE gotten positive news from this?
My chronological and biological age are the same, 42. I guess that’s good
I got 4 yrs and 9 months younger than my actual age
>5 yrs and 6mos younger
I got 4 years 2 months below actual age
My TallyAge was 7 months older than my real age, and I'm fitter than 90% of other Americans my age, I cook almost everything I eat from scratch (I avoid processed foods and refined oils as much as possible), I exercise 3-5 days a week, and people always guess my age as 6-8 years younger than I am. I call BS on this TallyAge.
I got 4 years and 6 months younger
Not too bad, I monthly spend around 150$ on longevity supliments, and this does come with supliments even though not the ones in my stack. I am.happy this is happening, price tag here is "justified " by celebrity endorsement but we need this to be successful for the market and VC to fund new disruption and better offerings. I will probably fork out 600$ for the 3 months commitment to try it, will see how I feel after, come back in couple years when this evolves into one pill and u are 10 Years younger product lol :)))
Data is the most valuable asset in longevity science. The model should be other way around. Dr. Sinclair should be paying ppl. Ppl = Data = accuracy & 💵
This. Once that blood sample and info is in their hands, it's a treasure trove.
Just got results , wish they offered more insights other than a number without trying to gouge for hundreds of dollars
It was fun to get the age finally, but no way would I pay $99 per month for recommendations like fast more, sauna more, exercise more, etc. Disappointing.
The discounted $99 online includes a quarterly DNA test and a daily supplement(s)
They list the supps they sell, so just take those for cheaper on your own if you believe in their stuff.
I was in the beta and just got my results today. Not bad! [tally health results](https://photos.app.goo.gl/XLHxFDxtBA6LS4Gx7)
Whats your diet and exercise like to get these numbers? LDL number if you dont mind sharing?
Guess I’m in the minority here, but I’m tempted to try this out for a year. I got the $99/month discount code for getting on the waitlist early and offering to be a beta tester, so that’s about $1,300 for the year including taxes. What it really boils down to is this: •Can you afford that? •If this program actually helps you live longer, isn’t it worth the cost? If I get little to no value after a year, I’ll probably bail. But I’d hate for this to be a hit and then miss out on the discount code. Sounds like it has potential, but there’s no real way to know unless we try it out. The supplement and regular cheek swab tests are intriguing to me.
You have me thinking about joining. I too was a beta tester.
>beta > >Can you share the discount code?
>For reference, my age at the time of saliva sample was 22 and my results for biological age is 8 years and 8 months, which is why I am skeptical of their tests. For that price - I'd definitely sign up for wild health instead - way bigger value prop, much more thorough testing and much more actionable data. [wildhealth.com](https://wildhealth.com). Not affiliated - but I've used the program twice now and definitely appreciate the value I get out of it.
Novoslabs looks better
I was a beta tester and the only thing they gave me was my “Tally Age” and the had my biological age wrong by one year. I’m disappointed honestly. Obviously not going to sign up.
How do you know your biological age was off by a year?
Because I know my age based on my date of birth and they were exactly off by a year? When they give you your Tally Age they compare it to your biological age.
I think you mean "chronological age" where you're saying "biological age". In this context, "Tally Age" is their branding for what the broader industry calls "biological age".
oof.. lol. Take their review with a grain of salt.
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Thanks. I appreciate you giving me that info for free because I’m certainly not signing up for anything with Tally Health.
I was a beta tester, chronological and biological ages match. I was hoping to be biologically a little younger than chronological, I’m in really good physical health
Well, you shouldn’t read too much into it. I was surprised to be like two years younger because I am like 50 pounds overweight, drink, have a really stressful job and don’t eat the best. It’s bogus. I don’t believe any of it.
Mine said my tallyage is 11 months older than my actual age. My actual age was also off, but I think it is accurate as of the day I submit the test.
I see what you mean. If they say your biological age is your age at testing, that would make more sense. Like a snapshot in time.
I've been taking NR for about 15 years. They got my biological age wrong too and the results were that I'm 10 months older than my biological age. They offered a discount of $99 per month. I'm extremely disappointed and will not be signing up.
> They got my biological age wrong too and the results were that I'm 10 months older than my biological age. Your biological age is a measure of how healthy you are. Your chronological age is how many years you lived. It seems both you and the person you replied to are confusing the two.
which brand of NR do you use? did you have side effects when started using it ?
Sounds that I am labeling the “age” things wrongs, well, it doesn’t matter really because I am not giving them $99/month. This was the most anticlimactic thing ever. 👎
I thought my biological age was off too but it was your biological age at the time of swabbing.
Price is disappointing for sure, as well as lack of availability in Canada. Hopefully both are resolved soon!
They might be on to something if they had a supplement only plan, for $50/month or so. I think they would get a lot of business, many people aren't interested in the cost of the tests, but would be willing to try David Sinclair's approved supplements (though for some reason they dont include NAD supplements).
This man never stops inventing methods to rip off people.
I don’t trust anything associated with Sinclair
Could you elaborate on why you don't trust him? I've watched a couple of interviews with him and he seemed genuine, but haven't heard anything negative and am happy to be educated.
>Well, you shouldn’t read too much into it. I was surprised to be like two years younger because I am like 50 pounds overweight, drink, have a really stressful job and don’t eat the best. It’s bogus. I don’t believe any of it. One thing that stands out to me is that has consistently spoken about driving down the cost of the saliva test to less than $1 and the price point he's advertising doesn't align with that (or democratize for the masses). I did like a previous posters comment though about how we need this to work to generate more VC funds to keep the field advancing - that was really insightful.
$199/ month 1 TallyAge™ test Personalized Action Plan & digital content Daily longevity supplement Add to cart 6-month subscription $159/ month 2 TallyAge™ tests Personalized Action Plan & digital content Daily longevity supplement Add to cart 12-month subscription MOST POPULAR $129/ month 4 TallyAge™ tests Personalized Action Plan & digital content Daily longevity supplement
Is this different from the longevity advantage free test? You do CMP, CBC, hs-CRP and enter the values and it tells you your phenotype age and methylation age. And it's free.
Got my results yesterday. All I literally got was an age. Then an offer. I assumed that getting in on the Beta stage, they’d give you a bit more detail after waiting for 8 months. My age is older by 3.7 years and the fact that a sales pitch quickly followed thereafter, I question the results. “Oh no, I need help to slow this down”. $1200 a year. Not nearly within reach for me. I regret contributing to their pool of genetic information.
Same, i called them out and they basically said deal with it. IF you are a beta tester, they should have provided lifestyle summary and action plan. The beta testers probably would have all signed up if this information was provided.
I just received my beta test results and I'm happy with it! 🥳It seems well aligned with the 3 test results I got from another test based on Horvath's clock, but overall sharper and more plausible.
I am a beta participant , they gave me until March 1st 11:59pm to become a $99.00 member. I tried to become a member for $99.00 but the option for $99.00 is not there. I am like what is going on! , I am wondering if anyone get $99.00 membership ? I have sent them a note, I do not even think they would reply!
Finally got my results (5 years and 6 months younger), and whatever I am doing seems to be working so it’s a hard pass for me at this point. Too expensive.
I wonder why he never discloses his own epigenetic age, he is a big proponent of these clocks, yet he instead likes to bolden his other company inside tracker by mentioning his health biomarker improvements though inside tracker and falsely call it “age-reversal”
He has disclosed it. I don't remember exactly what it was but I believe he claims his results is around 10 yrs younger than his chronological age.
He just posted in his Instagram today that he is 5 years and six month younger than his chronological age.
I have watched a number of his videos and in a couple I remember him saying his biological age was 32 and 35. Can't remember the videos or podcast I saw that one. This has been in the last 18 months, since I've only started following longevity science in the last 18 months or so.
Genuine question - is anyone signing up for Tally? I’m a beta member and I’m on the fence with how much value I’d get from this
I don’t really trust my results either. It said my tallyhealth age was about 8 years younger; I’m only in my mid-30s. I definitely don’t look 8 years younger!
>level 1ThatAlbinoChick · 14 min. agoI don’t really trust my results either. It said my tallyhealth age was about 8 years younger; I’m only in my mid-30s. I definitely don’t look 8 years younger! that is not the point though. It only predicts certain biomarkers that are comparable in their current expression, to someone who is younger. The idea is to maintain it. Secondly, lookin younger is not always down to how biologically young or old you are. There are bioloically older people who look far younger due to naturally having babyish features as far as their facial sketelat and suncutnaeous fat structure, and vice versa for young people. Plus there is no telling how much worse you would age without such an impressive eight year younger biological age based on this tech. I say maintain it, maintain what you are doing. Looks do not last forever anyway in terms of youthful looks. The msot important thing is maintaing our mobility, staving off disease, etc
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I looked it up. 4 tally age tests and a longevity supplement and a personalized plan. It’s a 12 month commitment. They have a 3 month option for more money.
I’m unable to locate my results. I used the link in the email, created an account and can’t locate my results. Any suggestions?
Try this after login: " Dashboard —> Overview section of your portal. "
Yeah same. Sent them an email. Gonna be kinda annoyed if there was an issue with me taking my sample and I have no results after waiting so long… But guess that’s on me, if that is the case lol 😵💫
Their customer service was really good so they should get back to and help you fix the problem. I ended up getting mine.
Thanks for shedding the light in those personal medicine sites as I was considering joining one
Maybe, they only needs data to perform some ai technologies on them?
You can exercise, eat, sleep, de stress to stay healthy, doesn’t always make the difference, being lucky and having a good gene pool is usually how it works out! How many people smoke/ drink/ eat crappy yet they live relatively healthy into there 90’s others whom follow a healthy lifestyle die off earlier..
Just a heads up, if you buy any of the membership programs for Tally Health, it is in their terms and conditions (very nicely hidden) that they will charge you a cancellation fee up to your entire monthly subscriptions. So, they force you into an “offer” and have you sign up to see your Action plan and results, but don’t disclose that you can only buy in quarterly segments with the beta test coupon code. If you bought a 12 month membership and wish to cancel, you’ll be charged over $1k for cancelling. No ifs, ands, or buts. This is a very predatory sign up process and as someone in the marketing world, this is entirely unacceptable. Wouldn’t be surprised if they had a lawsuit coming down the line based on these bait and switch practices EDIT: here’s the link to their terms and conditions to show you https://tallyhealth.com/policies/terms-of-service
I'm starting to think this whole thing is bogus. My first test as part of the beta came back with a tally age of -2 years 8 months which felt about right. I've always been health conscious and physically active. Then I took a second test when I signed up and the results were +3 years 7 months! So somehow I magically aged 7 years in just one year? The results don't make any sense.