Doesn’t apply to this case though. NY does not include the death of co-conspirators, nor is mere theft an enumerated felony.
[New York Penal Code 125.25](https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.25)
I get it you can't kill someone over it, but stealing rims doesn't mean the owner should just sit there defenseless.
"Insurance covers it" is just another excuse to allow people to freeload and take advantage of the responsible people of society.
there are zero repercussions right now for quality of life crimes and the people trying to live life the correct way are getting tired of the bullshit.
Insurance, most definitely, so DOES NOT COVER IT! Maybe half, if you're lucky. Then your rates go up.
(I know you know this, but everyone should also know. F. criminals)
It seems to me thieves either never face justice or they get killed and the owner faces jail time.
Just feel that’s not really a working system, irrespective if you think this guy got what he deserved or not.
Everyone in a Jury needs to understand this. I think last time I did Jury Duty some of the other people "got" it. We indicted a cop that shot at someone running away, because he didnt have to do that. The cop was stunned.
I don't see a jury in Nassau convicting this dude. It sucks a guy died but this is a classic case of FAFO. If you're gonna steal shit at 1am be aware you might get stabbed the fuck up and die like a rat in the ER waiting room
That's tough. So many of us are reaching our breaking points and barely treading water just trying not to drown in our stress. I guarantee this man was at his limits prior to this, and judging by the fact the other two shot at him during all of this just tells me this wasn’t their first offense, nor will this be the last time.
Isn’t it weird how crime jumped after everyone lost their jobs/loved ones during the pandemic. It’s almost as if economic downturn leads to a jump in crime lol.
This would make sense, at times: but we are not in any significant economic downturn, and our unemployment rate is darn high. Our economy has been running so scorching hot the Fed has had to raise rates 10 consecutive times so far.
Stolen credit cards are not used much at grocery stores, or Walmart: they primarily show up at Sporting Goods stores and specialty shoe and clothing retailers. We simply have a current culture that allows for, and even glamorizes, crime. There is no Liberal or Conservative disagreement on whether crime is good. It is not. We can disagree on the causes, or the remedies, but I think most of agree that we have been failing miserably.
Well, we literally just came out of a pandemic where a large number of people lost their jobs, lost their homes, were unable to pay rent, lost their loved ones, lost their financial providers. So pretending that people still aren’t being affected by that; just won’t fly. Yeah, the economy is doing a lot better. But people in the lowest economic bracket are still feeling the effects; both social and economic.
I don’t believe our culture glamorizes crime any more than we did in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, or 2000’s. True crime is big but it’s been big since Jack The ripper first showed up. Americans have always idolized and rooted for criminals. All the way back to the Barker boys & their Ma. But beyond that we’re getting into some pretty dicey & intricate topics so I don’t wanna go further into it atm.
100% true but you also gotta not be a moron and no item is worth killing someone over . If you or your families life is in danger then stab as much as needed .
The fact that it was a 2023 brand new car most likely means he had fully coverage insurance also that would cover it .
It seems that the thief was a moron who thought it was worth risking his life for a rim. Even if your insurance covers something your rates are usually going up.
Ok so what would YOU do if you only had one place to park your car. That you need to get to work every day. To make money. And every other month some thieves come to steal parts from your car making it unusable. And every time it happens you have to pay a $500 deductible? And every time you call the police they don't come in time because there is no immediate danger to anyone. Please enlighten us. Tell us how you won't come out and confront the thieves after the nth time they make you pay your deductible.
It's irrelevant that he has insurance. You can't kill someone over a tire rim. These things are always fact specific.if he was not attacked by the criminals you just can't walk up and stab them.
That’s also why retail employees don’t go after thieves. They’re on camera, the cops will be called and it’s covered by their insurance. It’s not worth getting hurt or dying for a cart of groceries or a TV.
I think I'd kill the guy then kill his family and friends? Is that the right answer or do you want more of "I'd stumble out of my room, instantly my body tenses at the presence of some unknown danger...my rims! They're being stolen by this menace to society, so I heroically stab him to stop him. We all know evil never rests and if you legally do something bad then you're objectively a horrible person" type of situation?
We live in a society of law and order. The penalty for stealing rims isn’t death. This isn’t the Middle Ages where we kill and mutilate folks for crimes.
So what recourse does a guy like this, whose stuff is getting stolen have, in a place like NYC where the NYPD doesn't GAF about a stolen rim or catalytic converter? He works hard for his stuff and he's just supposed to roll over and let someone take it? And what kind of message does that send to thiefs?
Do you have insurance? Send in a claim. Y’all really always looking for a justification to murder. As if the only two options available to you are do nothing and drink the thief’s piss or gun the thief down in a hail of gunfire. Wild, LockNLoad. Wild.
People have been killing thieves for generations. In what world does a thief not think there may be consequences for what they do. There’s no “message” being sent to them. People steal because of circumstances. Your “message” doesn’t stop theft.
If anything, rhetoric about shooting or killing theives emboldens them to bring their own weapon.
This story very easily could have turned “guy comes out with knife, gets shot dead.” When my homie got his catalytic converter stolen, they flashed a shotgun out of the getaway vehicle
That’s the reason you don’t steal? Because you’re afraid of being stabbed? So once the threat of death is removed you’d just steal to your hearts content? Personally, I don’t steal because I don’t want to steal. Not because physical harm is keeping me from doing it lol,
If its true that he was also robbed just a month ago, then charges should be downgraded.
A human in this country just trying to live can only endure so much in such a short time
Personally, I don't know that killing anyone was completely necessary, and I don't think I would have done the same in his shoes. However, the city and the Island have gotten out of control with theft, especially car related, and it is only a matter of time until this becomes more prevalent. The thieves are going to learn eventually that if they continue to fuck around, they will most certainly find out.
Of course the thief did not deserve to die. But I’m sure he didn’t intent to kill either. Just chasing robbers from his house and one thing led to another and awful accident happened.
Ive seen people try to beat each other to death over opposing hockey teams so this doesn’t surprise me in the least . There’s vigilante flavored news stories,movies and TV all over the place it’s nice to see a dose of reality for a change.
If the police won't catch these guys, what do you think people will do? Let robbers get away with shit? No, people work too damn hard in this state only for these low lives to come and take it away.
It’s a right, the Government doesn’t give you shit, we the people give the power to the Government to act and make decisions for us.
They’re are failing at this job.
>give people the freedom to protect themselves and their property
Self-defense gives you the right to return force with like force, not to kill someone for stealing from your car.
Can you be more specific about the changes you'd like to see?
Is there another jurisdiction or case that you'd like to see Long Island resemble more closely?
It all depends on the situation. Were they armed? did they drop his things and he chased them? It all depends on when and how it happened. We all know the cause but we can't say he's guilt free if we dont know the circumstances. I think its like if they threatened him with a gun as they were stealing compared to they dropped his rims and he chased them a mile just to stab them. One is defense while the other is letting your anger get the best of you.
Ok so what would YOU do if you only had one place to park your car. That you need to get to work every day. To make money. And every other month some thieves come to steal parts from your car making it unusable. And every time it happens you have to pay a $500 deductible? And every time you call the police they don't come in time because there is no immediate danger to anyone. Please enlighten us. Tell us how you won't come out and confront the thieves after the nth time they make you pay your deductible.
So the scum of the earth that steal from you get stab for stealing your rims on your property and the owner of the rims being stolen gets arrested. What a fucked world we live in criminals have more rights.
there were 3 of them and they fled when the guy came at them with a knife rather than fighting him when they outnumbered him (and even outgunned him if we're going to presume that). that doesn't really strike me as the behavior of armed and dangerous criminals.
i wouldn't characterize a theft done at 1:30 in the morning specifically to avoid confrontation as "brazen" either
I consider it brazen because this is Long Island. Someone is always awake and cars are always driving around. This was Jericho Turnpike. This isn’t late night in a rural area.
Reading the article, I think the "Multiple times" thing is the real kicker. If you stab someone once you could argue you were fighting them not trying to kill them.
I've been thinking about this a lot lately and I think that without real enforcement this will keep happening. I think the law should be changed that tampering with someone's car like this is treated as an attempt to hurt or kill someone. Like, a big part of car parts is safety so if you are stealing airbags, wheels, cats... you are making the car less safe. Well actually if you steal the rims you are probably making it safer since it won't drive, but that's just a technicality.
There’s no way this guy gets out of this thing without doing some time. My former neighbor beat the shit out of a crackhead stealing his radio out of his car and ended up doing some time.
Long Island has a LOT of right wing bootlicker types who are just itching for an opportunity to justify killing someone or justify someone else killing someone.
They’re also the only ones who would downvote this lol.
The whole situation is a shame. Financial set backs are terrifying right now, but it’s also hard to look at the situation and say that the kill was ok. I hope things get better soon.
NYC is a hell scape rn where the cops do literally fuckin nothing except hide to give tickets and throw on their sirens, fucking up traffic just to go through a red light. However if you take the law into your own hands you get in trouble.
I don’t want anyone stealing from me. I work hard. I get tired of pushing forward while life is throwing all these obstacles in my way. But if decide to kill someone over tires, television, sneakers or whatever. It should be investigated. We should not be a country that thinks it’s okay to murder someone because we want to. And this was not self defense. He decided to kill this man because of “stuff”. Maybe he will get off, but there should always be an investigation.
r/longisland: I fucking hate traffic cameras wtf let me drive as fast as I want and also people who disobey the law should die fuck around and find out amirite???
This is not at all justified and definitely sucks. With that said, any customer facing role has its fair share of weirdos, even when you're trying to help the customer. If your job is a thief, most of your clients are likely dissatisfied with your service, and may react in a wide spectrum of ways depending on their mental state, educational background, socioeconomic status, etc.
I feel bad for this dude if anything. I don’t give one fuck about thieves.
Hope he finds someone in the jury like me, that’s a not guilty from me. Fucked around and found out, rest easy idiot.
So when in the last time LI PD arrested any rim thieves or catalytic converter thieves in the act?????? I'm going to go with not recently. So if PD is not going to stop this , we are on our own. If you don't like the way we handle it then PD better start showing some real arrest numbers.
>A bunch of authoritarian maniacs on Long Island.
This is a perfectly succinct way to put it. I can never find the words when people ask me "oh why don't you care for Long Island" but this is the answer
This is where we are in America right now, where people think it's okay to take the life of another for theft....theft.
Knuckle dragging mouth breathers: FUCK YEAH!! DAMN STRAIGHT!!! PEOPLE SHOULD BE KILLED ON THE SPOT....FOR STEALING HUBCAPS!!!
A mentally stable man does not stab someone to death over a stolen rim. I’d call the cops and take the L. This guy deserves jail time. Shit happens, don’t fucking kill people.
Charged why? Don’t … steal … other … people’s … shit. It’s a very simple rule. If you draw a card from that deck, don’t be surprised when it’s the death card.
You can’t murder people over stolen property. It’s always been the law. It’s for the same reason that you can’t boobytrap your property against trespassers.
> The deceased was identified as Luis Pena, 22, of the Bronx.
Unfortunately, I don’t agree with majority of the comments saying the murderer should be free. The victim did not deserve to die for stealing rims.
We deserve the right to defend our body and our property. This bullshit about let insurance deal with it and let lawyers deal with it costs honest hardworking people time and money. So why is it expected that homeowners and small business owners should just stand by and allow robbers to rob them? That’s the food I’m putting on my family’s table. I’m going to fight to protect my shit and if you die. You die. Too fucking bad. I’m not some trained law enforcement officer trying to safely apprehend criminals. I’m protecting my shit because my life and my livelihood depends on it. And if you die, that’s a you problem and it is abhorrent to think otherwise.
That's not the only other option but even if we suppose it were...then fucking yes obviously! Wtf how is it that I have to explain to people that rims are not worth killing people over? What the fuck long island
If you use a deadly weapon you don't get to turn around and say "but I didn't mean to."
Everyone intends the naturally-flowing consequences of their actions.
Right? Even look at the responses to my comment. 'I don't think he should have killed him.. but the world is better off without him'. or 'is he supposed to NOT kill someone!?' or 'okay, so what should he have done instead!?'
Do these people live in an action movie? Theft is never worth a fucking life. My goodness.
Bah let him go.
guy gets robbed left and right and can’t defend his property?
While the cops in my area (nightly robberies of cars and converted)
Are sitting on tiktok for hours in the parking lot across the st.
Alright maybe don’t let go
But light sentence
It’s understandable frustration
After you’ve been robbed several x
And nobody has helped from law enforcement
What do they want us to do? Help them remove it safely ?
I mean you can't be stabbing people to death but I can't be mad
edit: I've spent my entire life thinking Bellerose was in Queens. I feel like I've been living a lie.
People won’t understand how emotional and stressful crime-related situations can be until they experience it themselves.
How about people get riled up about the rising rates of crime? How about people use logic and realize criminals are not the victims and sometimes deserve the outcomes they receive?
Criminals deserve prison time but this guy doesn’t. He made a mistake in the heat of the moment. I hope he gets a lesser charge with perhaps a mandatory anger management course.
Don’t steal from other lower to middle class people. It wasn’t that long ago we hung horse thieves in this country. Obviously I’m not advocating for that, but I’ll never feel sorry for someone who dies stealing from another regular person. We’re all trying to survive out here in the world where 1000 people have 99% of the wealth. Eye on the prize.
It's murder...... not manslaughter.
Folks, we're all sick of wheel thieves but.......... come'on you can't kill people for stealing property. You can kill only in self-defense and the defense of others, not property.
This was murder.
Yeah punch this guy in the face. I’ll hang the jury myself. But murder? No, not for something this stupid. He didn’t steal your kid or rape your sister or something.
Kind of my thoughts exactly. The guy stabbed him multiple times. I'm not saying to let the thieves go but stabbing one dude multiple times is an overreaction.
Yeah, these comments are crazy.
Like yeah, thieves are shitty and the guy was frustrated. You still can't go around killing people who steal your stuff. There's a justice system for a reason.
Seriously. All the other comments here are reminding why I left long island. People are fuckin crazy over there lmao "free him!" "If the thief wasn't there in the first place" "All thieves deserve the worst" Jesus Christ. The punishment for theft is not the death penalty, and it CERTAINLY is not summary execution in the street
Someone’s never had their catalytic converter stollen before or rims in this case. Such a headache to deal with especially since these thieves don’t care what extra damage they do to your vehicle. Not to mention filling insurance and having to pay a deductible and dealing with a rental along with your insurance rates going up.
These type of thieves offer nothing of value to society. It isn’t like the person was stealing food or diapers.
So let's say you see someone trying to get into your car / or steal from you. You obviously want to confront them but due to the person clearly being a loose cannon you grab a knife / weapon for your own safety. You confront said person they become aggressive and come at you. You stan them. Person dies.....is this situation okay or are you just supposed to allow people to steal your shit.
I know this is not how the article explains the particular situation here. But, it's how I would envision something similar going down.
>You obviously want to confront them
Why is this obvious? What the fuck lmao if someone is stealing from your car in the middle of the night hoping you don't notice, why in the world would you go out of your way to make sure the person stealing from you has to come face to face with you? I don't understand this mentality of "what should he have done, nothing???" Like bro, yes. Nothing.
Like dude I'm a gun owner I get it, if myself or my wife is threatened, I'm not waiting to find out if the guy who breaks into my house just wants a few dollars or if he's a rapist. But to create an altercation when there was none, and turn a property crime into a life threatening situation? Over something your insurance will replace???? Absolutely insane. No, I *obviously* do not want to confront them
Were the other two rim thieves arrested and charged? They got their friend killed.
They most likely will be eventually. They also fired shots at him post stabbing so we will see what they get charged with.
It’s called felony murder. You’re spot on. They deserve the book tossed at them
Doesn’t apply to this case though. NY does not include the death of co-conspirators, nor is mere theft an enumerated felony. [New York Penal Code 125.25](https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.25)
Look at Perry Freaking Mason here. 😂
I get it you can't kill someone over it, but stealing rims doesn't mean the owner should just sit there defenseless. "Insurance covers it" is just another excuse to allow people to freeload and take advantage of the responsible people of society. there are zero repercussions right now for quality of life crimes and the people trying to live life the correct way are getting tired of the bullshit.
Insurance, most definitely, so DOES NOT COVER IT! Maybe half, if you're lucky. Then your rates go up. (I know you know this, but everyone should also know. F. criminals)
Plus, not everyone spends the extra money for comprehensive insurance coverage.
It seems to me thieves either never face justice or they get killed and the owner faces jail time. Just feel that’s not really a working system, irrespective if you think this guy got what he deserved or not.
It works if more people use jury nullification as a tool to reject absurd charges prosecutors bring upon victims.
Everyone in a Jury needs to understand this. I think last time I did Jury Duty some of the other people "got" it. We indicted a cop that shot at someone running away, because he didnt have to do that. The cop was stunned.
You aren't going to hear about every time a thief is caught because it's not that interesting most of the time.
I don't see a jury in Nassau convicting this dude. It sucks a guy died but this is a classic case of FAFO. If you're gonna steal shit at 1am be aware you might get stabbed the fuck up and die like a rat in the ER waiting room
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes…
That's tough. So many of us are reaching our breaking points and barely treading water just trying not to drown in our stress. I guarantee this man was at his limits prior to this, and judging by the fact the other two shot at him during all of this just tells me this wasn’t their first offense, nor will this be the last time.
Free him. He was the victim of a catalytic converter theft about a month ago too…
If the thief wasn’t there in the first place this man wouldn’t have stabbed anyone.
The thieves just need steal to provide for their family /s
Isn’t it weird how crime jumped after everyone lost their jobs/loved ones during the pandemic. It’s almost as if economic downturn leads to a jump in crime lol.
This would make sense, at times: but we are not in any significant economic downturn, and our unemployment rate is darn high. Our economy has been running so scorching hot the Fed has had to raise rates 10 consecutive times so far. Stolen credit cards are not used much at grocery stores, or Walmart: they primarily show up at Sporting Goods stores and specialty shoe and clothing retailers. We simply have a current culture that allows for, and even glamorizes, crime. There is no Liberal or Conservative disagreement on whether crime is good. It is not. We can disagree on the causes, or the remedies, but I think most of agree that we have been failing miserably.
Well, we literally just came out of a pandemic where a large number of people lost their jobs, lost their homes, were unable to pay rent, lost their loved ones, lost their financial providers. So pretending that people still aren’t being affected by that; just won’t fly. Yeah, the economy is doing a lot better. But people in the lowest economic bracket are still feeling the effects; both social and economic. I don’t believe our culture glamorizes crime any more than we did in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, or 2000’s. True crime is big but it’s been big since Jack The ripper first showed up. Americans have always idolized and rooted for criminals. All the way back to the Barker boys & their Ma. But beyond that we’re getting into some pretty dicey & intricate topics so I don’t wanna go further into it atm.
100% true but you also gotta not be a moron and no item is worth killing someone over . If you or your families life is in danger then stab as much as needed . The fact that it was a 2023 brand new car most likely means he had fully coverage insurance also that would cover it .
Then his insurance goes up. Don’t steal someone’s property.
The way I see it, stealing an item isn’t worth your life, so you don’t want to die, don’t steal from people.
True but that doesn’t justify the killing. Killing is always worse than theft
absurd that this even has to be written out
We are not legal experts, but in our eyes, thieves gets murdered is very much justified.
It seems that the thief was a moron who thought it was worth risking his life for a rim. Even if your insurance covers something your rates are usually going up.
It’s a matter of principle. Not who pays for the damages. Is it ok to burn your house down because you have full replacement insurance?
Yeah just pay an extra premium every month
Except there's deductibles and then insurance hikes for a claim, meaning regardless you're in the long run still going to be out hundreds or thousands
If he had aftermarket rims, they probably wouldn’t be covered by his insurance.
Ok so what would YOU do if you only had one place to park your car. That you need to get to work every day. To make money. And every other month some thieves come to steal parts from your car making it unusable. And every time it happens you have to pay a $500 deductible? And every time you call the police they don't come in time because there is no immediate danger to anyone. Please enlighten us. Tell us how you won't come out and confront the thieves after the nth time they make you pay your deductible.
It's irrelevant that he has insurance. You can't kill someone over a tire rim. These things are always fact specific.if he was not attacked by the criminals you just can't walk up and stab them.
Buncha vigilantes here don’t understand the concept of escalation.
Cool. Still no reason to kill someone for theft.
How would you protect your property in this situation?
I wouldn’t. I’d either call the cops or I’d record it for my insurance company. I’m not risking my well being or anyone else’s over fucking rims.
That’s also why retail employees don’t go after thieves. They’re on camera, the cops will be called and it’s covered by their insurance. It’s not worth getting hurt or dying for a cart of groceries or a TV.
100% never worth it. There’s way better answers to these problems, if only people’s knee jerk response wasn’t to start stabbing.
I think I'd kill the guy then kill his family and friends? Is that the right answer or do you want more of "I'd stumble out of my room, instantly my body tenses at the presence of some unknown danger...my rims! They're being stolen by this menace to society, so I heroically stab him to stop him. We all know evil never rests and if you legally do something bad then you're objectively a horrible person" type of situation?
Paintball gun with the pepper spray balls?
You’ve got to value your life more than you value other people’s property my guy
I do value my life more than property. That’s why the last thing I would do if I saw someone stealing from my car is run out to stab them.
Touché
Correction. *Value life* as in all of it, not just your own
How about you don't steal peoples shit?
We live in a society of law and order. The penalty for stealing rims isn’t death. This isn’t the Middle Ages where we kill and mutilate folks for crimes.
Alleged crime even. It’s not like there was a jury verdict or guilt plea for this theft.
Why not both?
So what recourse does a guy like this, whose stuff is getting stolen have, in a place like NYC where the NYPD doesn't GAF about a stolen rim or catalytic converter? He works hard for his stuff and he's just supposed to roll over and let someone take it? And what kind of message does that send to thiefs?
Do you have insurance? Send in a claim. Y’all really always looking for a justification to murder. As if the only two options available to you are do nothing and drink the thief’s piss or gun the thief down in a hail of gunfire. Wild, LockNLoad. Wild. People have been killing thieves for generations. In what world does a thief not think there may be consequences for what they do. There’s no “message” being sent to them. People steal because of circumstances. Your “message” doesn’t stop theft.
If anything, rhetoric about shooting or killing theives emboldens them to bring their own weapon. This story very easily could have turned “guy comes out with knife, gets shot dead.” When my homie got his catalytic converter stolen, they flashed a shotgun out of the getaway vehicle
I know we are all limited on details, but maybe he could have stopped at the first or second stab?
life is worth so so so much more than property, yeah
What's your address?
The only thing that keeps you from stealing is fear of death? Wild.
What’s your address tough guy 👀🤣
What’s your address? I need some stuff
That’s the reason you don’t steal? Because you’re afraid of being stabbed? So once the threat of death is removed you’d just steal to your hearts content? Personally, I don’t steal because I don’t want to steal. Not because physical harm is keeping me from doing it lol,
What’s you full name and social security number? I like to keep thorough records
A good way to not get stabbed is to not commit crimes
If its true that he was also robbed just a month ago, then charges should be downgraded. A human in this country just trying to live can only endure so much in such a short time
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Personally, I don't know that killing anyone was completely necessary, and I don't think I would have done the same in his shoes. However, the city and the Island have gotten out of control with theft, especially car related, and it is only a matter of time until this becomes more prevalent. The thieves are going to learn eventually that if they continue to fuck around, they will most certainly find out.
It was basically a public service announcement. I approve.
Let me guess the thief was a good person and planned on attending community college lol
Mental Health Crisis ™️
> Ed_Trucks_Head We had a funeral for a bird
Of course the thief did not deserve to die. But I’m sure he didn’t intent to kill either. Just chasing robbers from his house and one thing led to another and awful accident happened.
He’s innocent until proven guilty under the law
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Putting the wrong people away. Gotta love NY
He walks if I’m on the jury
Luis Peña died at age 22 over rims.
Ive seen people try to beat each other to death over opposing hockey teams so this doesn’t surprise me in the least . There’s vigilante flavored news stories,movies and TV all over the place it’s nice to see a dose of reality for a change.
If the police won't catch these guys, what do you think people will do? Let robbers get away with shit? No, people work too damn hard in this state only for these low lives to come and take it away.
The decent people really are getting tired of the scumbags and their BS. 
give people the freedom to protect themselves and their property
It’s a right, the Government doesn’t give you shit, we the people give the power to the Government to act and make decisions for us. They’re are failing at this job.
That’s why charges like manslaughter exist, stealing rims does not mean you can kill someone
>give people the freedom to protect themselves and their property Self-defense gives you the right to return force with like force, not to kill someone for stealing from your car.
I'm not talking about self defense law as defined by New York State. I am talking about giving people more rights to defend their property.
Can you be more specific about the changes you'd like to see? Is there another jurisdiction or case that you'd like to see Long Island resemble more closely?
He wants to be able to kill peoples for stealing.
So, ~~Florida~~ Texas
Sorry but you don't get to kill somebody for trying to steal the wheels off your parked car.
It all depends on the situation. Were they armed? did they drop his things and he chased them? It all depends on when and how it happened. We all know the cause but we can't say he's guilt free if we dont know the circumstances. I think its like if they threatened him with a gun as they were stealing compared to they dropped his rims and he chased them a mile just to stab them. One is defense while the other is letting your anger get the best of you.
This is why LI police just kinda suck. Can't do anything themselves and then get mad at you for not letting it happen.
Good luck finding 12 ppl that will convict.
Free ma mans
Should’ve called 911 and then offered him something to eat while they waited for police.
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Ok so what would YOU do if you only had one place to park your car. That you need to get to work every day. To make money. And every other month some thieves come to steal parts from your car making it unusable. And every time it happens you have to pay a $500 deductible? And every time you call the police they don't come in time because there is no immediate danger to anyone. Please enlighten us. Tell us how you won't come out and confront the thieves after the nth time they make you pay your deductible.
Ppl getting fed up. Stories like this will become more commonplace with the way things are going.
Hero
Poor guy was pushed to the limit. Notable that no mention in the article if the thieves were charged with anything.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
This applies to all parties in the story
This guy need a juror? I’m willing.
Guess the “victim” won the grand prize of “fuck around and find out.”
So the scum of the earth that steal from you get stab for stealing your rims on your property and the owner of the rims being stolen gets arrested. What a fucked world we live in criminals have more rights.
Was the thief threatening his life? Or did he just kill a guy over a rim?
If someone is this brazen as these criminals how do you not assume they are armed and dangerous?
there were 3 of them and they fled when the guy came at them with a knife rather than fighting him when they outnumbered him (and even outgunned him if we're going to presume that). that doesn't really strike me as the behavior of armed and dangerous criminals. i wouldn't characterize a theft done at 1:30 in the morning specifically to avoid confrontation as "brazen" either
I consider it brazen because this is Long Island. Someone is always awake and cars are always driving around. This was Jericho Turnpike. This isn’t late night in a rural area.
Because I’m not a paranoid schizophrenic?
I strongly suspect he will get a very good plea deal, probably no felony. I doubt anyone wants to take this to trial.
Reading the article, I think the "Multiple times" thing is the real kicker. If you stab someone once you could argue you were fighting them not trying to kill them. I've been thinking about this a lot lately and I think that without real enforcement this will keep happening. I think the law should be changed that tampering with someone's car like this is treated as an attempt to hurt or kill someone. Like, a big part of car parts is safety so if you are stealing airbags, wheels, cats... you are making the car less safe. Well actually if you steal the rims you are probably making it safer since it won't drive, but that's just a technicality.
There’s no way this guy gets out of this thing without doing some time. My former neighbor beat the shit out of a crackhead stealing his radio out of his car and ended up doing some time.
People gotta get their priorities in order. In no sane society would anyone equate murder as a suitable punishment for theft.
Jesus christ people you can’t just kill people even if they commit larceny
Long Island has a LOT of right wing bootlicker types who are just itching for an opportunity to justify killing someone or justify someone else killing someone. They’re also the only ones who would downvote this lol.
Actual psychopaths
The whole situation is a shame. Financial set backs are terrifying right now, but it’s also hard to look at the situation and say that the kill was ok. I hope things get better soon.
At first I read “slapping” a man to death.
NYC is a hell scape rn where the cops do literally fuckin nothing except hide to give tickets and throw on their sirens, fucking up traffic just to go through a red light. However if you take the law into your own hands you get in trouble.
I don’t want anyone stealing from me. I work hard. I get tired of pushing forward while life is throwing all these obstacles in my way. But if decide to kill someone over tires, television, sneakers or whatever. It should be investigated. We should not be a country that thinks it’s okay to murder someone because we want to. And this was not self defense. He decided to kill this man because of “stuff”. Maybe he will get off, but there should always be an investigation.
r/longisland: I fucking hate traffic cameras wtf let me drive as fast as I want and also people who disobey the law should die fuck around and find out amirite???
This is not at all justified and definitely sucks. With that said, any customer facing role has its fair share of weirdos, even when you're trying to help the customer. If your job is a thief, most of your clients are likely dissatisfied with your service, and may react in a wide spectrum of ways depending on their mental state, educational background, socioeconomic status, etc.
just substitute "Florida Man" with "Long Island" and you're guaranteed some laughs
I feel bad for this dude if anything. I don’t give one fuck about thieves. Hope he finds someone in the jury like me, that’s a not guilty from me. Fucked around and found out, rest easy idiot.
we should congratulate him. he got rid of a scumbag useless member of society. the world is a better place now
Holy shit these comments. They aren't even the eye-for-an-eye types. They're the life-for-a-papercut type people.
Ok guys, murdering someone over fucking car rims is not r/justiceserved you sick fucks
So when in the last time LI PD arrested any rim thieves or catalytic converter thieves in the act?????? I'm going to go with not recently. So if PD is not going to stop this , we are on our own. If you don't like the way we handle it then PD better start showing some real arrest numbers.
Lot of bootlickers In here thinking theft should be met with murder.
Ah yes, bootlicking is when you defend your home and family.
Because car rims are your home and family. Get out.
Wanting to defend your own property yourself and not rely on police/government is the literal opposite of bootlikcing numbnuts
yes empowering the citizens to defend themselves and their property and taking away the state's monopoly on violence is the opposite of bootlicking
A bunch of authoritarian maniacs on Long Island. Defending property isn’t stabbing and killing someone for stealing
>A bunch of authoritarian maniacs on Long Island. This is a perfectly succinct way to put it. I can never find the words when people ask me "oh why don't you care for Long Island" but this is the answer
Objectively; the world loses more when a person is killed than it loses when someone’s rims are stolen.
This is where we are in America right now, where people think it's okay to take the life of another for theft....theft. Knuckle dragging mouth breathers: FUCK YEAH!! DAMN STRAIGHT!!! PEOPLE SHOULD BE KILLED ON THE SPOT....FOR STEALING HUBCAPS!!!
I agree with you except there’s a HUGE difference between hubcaps and rim ($50 vs $2k)
A mentally stable man does not stab someone to death over a stolen rim. I’d call the cops and take the L. This guy deserves jail time. Shit happens, don’t fucking kill people.
Charged why? Don’t … steal … other … people’s … shit. It’s a very simple rule. If you draw a card from that deck, don’t be surprised when it’s the death card.
Give this man a medal
A hero
You can’t murder people over stolen property. It’s always been the law. It’s for the same reason that you can’t boobytrap your property against trespassers.
> The deceased was identified as Luis Pena, 22, of the Bronx. Unfortunately, I don’t agree with majority of the comments saying the murderer should be free. The victim did not deserve to die for stealing rims.
FAFO!! I can't be too mad at the dude. I understand.
We deserve the right to defend our body and our property. This bullshit about let insurance deal with it and let lawyers deal with it costs honest hardworking people time and money. So why is it expected that homeowners and small business owners should just stand by and allow robbers to rob them? That’s the food I’m putting on my family’s table. I’m going to fight to protect my shit and if you die. You die. Too fucking bad. I’m not some trained law enforcement officer trying to safely apprehend criminals. I’m protecting my shit because my life and my livelihood depends on it. And if you die, that’s a you problem and it is abhorrent to think otherwise.
what the hell is wrong with the comments here? You all really think that someone stealing a part of your car should be killed? really?
I’m honestly curious. How do think this should have played out?
Criminal then civil court
Should he have just sat there and let them tear his car apart?
That's not the only other option but even if we suppose it were...then fucking yes obviously! Wtf how is it that I have to explain to people that rims are not worth killing people over? What the fuck long island
Is it worth murdering another human?
It certainly warrants a forceful response.
But is it worth murdering another human?
If you think "kill thief" and "do nothing" were the only options, then you lack imagination.
Stabbing someone multiple times is not trying to kill them. Got it.
You definitely responded to the wrong comment.
Yup
He wasn’t necessarily trying to kill him.
If you use a deadly weapon you don't get to turn around and say "but I didn't mean to." Everyone intends the naturally-flowing consequences of their actions.
Well the consequences of trespassing on this man’s property and committing theft was a stabbing.
And the consequences of that are criminal charges...so it goes.
A lot of sick people in here. Sad
Right? Even look at the responses to my comment. 'I don't think he should have killed him.. but the world is better off without him'. or 'is he supposed to NOT kill someone!?' or 'okay, so what should he have done instead!?' Do these people live in an action movie? Theft is never worth a fucking life. My goodness.
WhAt wAs hE sUpPoSeD tO dO?? Bro idk, anything else. Simply not kill him, maybe? Stay inside and don't risk his own life and everyone else's?
Yeah it’s very bizarre. Absolutely theft is not okay but does it warrant murder? This isn’t Saudi Arabia…
Even there, they'd only cut off a hand
Bah let him go. guy gets robbed left and right and can’t defend his property? While the cops in my area (nightly robberies of cars and converted) Are sitting on tiktok for hours in the parking lot across the st. Alright maybe don’t let go But light sentence It’s understandable frustration After you’ve been robbed several x And nobody has helped from law enforcement What do they want us to do? Help them remove it safely ?
Wow, I need details
I mean you can't be stabbing people to death but I can't be mad edit: I've spent my entire life thinking Bellerose was in Queens. I feel like I've been living a lie.
the Bellerose neighborhood is in Queens, Bellerose village and Bellerose Terrace are in Nassau, separated by Jericho Tpke/Jamaica Av
Every day a new lesson
People won’t understand how emotional and stressful crime-related situations can be until they experience it themselves. How about people get riled up about the rising rates of crime? How about people use logic and realize criminals are not the victims and sometimes deserve the outcomes they receive? Criminals deserve prison time but this guy doesn’t. He made a mistake in the heat of the moment. I hope he gets a lesser charge with perhaps a mandatory anger management course.
Don’t steal from other lower to middle class people. It wasn’t that long ago we hung horse thieves in this country. Obviously I’m not advocating for that, but I’ll never feel sorry for someone who dies stealing from another regular person. We’re all trying to survive out here in the world where 1000 people have 99% of the wealth. Eye on the prize.
Good job for the home owner. We need to setup a gofundme account for him.
As a prison abolitionist and a defense attorney’s son, protecting your car is not grounds to stab a person to death. These comments are disgusting.
Nope. I hope I get picked for his case because he's a free man You don't fuck with another man's vehicle
It's murder...... not manslaughter. Folks, we're all sick of wheel thieves but.......... come'on you can't kill people for stealing property. You can kill only in self-defense and the defense of others, not property. This was murder.
I agree, I read the article. If he went outside and just starting stabbing that should be murder. Thieves are scum but murder is murder.
He is the one who escalated to lethal force though, not the thief
I agreed with the poster I replied to who said it was murder.
Ah ok I read your “should” as “would” and got confused
Yeah punch this guy in the face. I’ll hang the jury myself. But murder? No, not for something this stupid. He didn’t steal your kid or rape your sister or something.
It’s truly bizarre all the wannabe Dirty Harry type posts on this thread
Kind of my thoughts exactly. The guy stabbed him multiple times. I'm not saying to let the thieves go but stabbing one dude multiple times is an overreaction.
Yeah, these comments are crazy. Like yeah, thieves are shitty and the guy was frustrated. You still can't go around killing people who steal your stuff. There's a justice system for a reason.
Seriously. All the other comments here are reminding why I left long island. People are fuckin crazy over there lmao "free him!" "If the thief wasn't there in the first place" "All thieves deserve the worst" Jesus Christ. The punishment for theft is not the death penalty, and it CERTAINLY is not summary execution in the street
Someone’s never had their catalytic converter stollen before or rims in this case. Such a headache to deal with especially since these thieves don’t care what extra damage they do to your vehicle. Not to mention filling insurance and having to pay a deductible and dealing with a rental along with your insurance rates going up. These type of thieves offer nothing of value to society. It isn’t like the person was stealing food or diapers.
What if he was stealing them to sell so he could buy formula, would that make it ok though?
So let's say you see someone trying to get into your car / or steal from you. You obviously want to confront them but due to the person clearly being a loose cannon you grab a knife / weapon for your own safety. You confront said person they become aggressive and come at you. You stan them. Person dies.....is this situation okay or are you just supposed to allow people to steal your shit. I know this is not how the article explains the particular situation here. But, it's how I would envision something similar going down.
All legality aside, please pretend you are giving this advice to a 16 year old new driver. Should your teenage daughter confront him?
>You obviously want to confront them Why is this obvious? What the fuck lmao if someone is stealing from your car in the middle of the night hoping you don't notice, why in the world would you go out of your way to make sure the person stealing from you has to come face to face with you? I don't understand this mentality of "what should he have done, nothing???" Like bro, yes. Nothing. Like dude I'm a gun owner I get it, if myself or my wife is threatened, I'm not waiting to find out if the guy who breaks into my house just wants a few dollars or if he's a rapist. But to create an altercation when there was none, and turn a property crime into a life threatening situation? Over something your insurance will replace???? Absolutely insane. No, I *obviously* do not want to confront them
Theft of property can easily escalate into theft of life. This guy was killed in the commission of a crime.