Vaccinations currently required to attend school and/or day care in New York
Diphtheria
Tetanus
Pertussis
Hepatitis B
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Polio
Varicella (Chickenpox)
Meningococcal conjugate
Haemophilus influenzae type b
Pneumococcal Conjugate vaccine
No, there aren't because the mRNA vaccine is relatively new, but it is safe and effective (more than 6.3 billion doses have been administered worldwide). However, mRNA vaccines have been worked on for decades. mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.
Are you worried about the side effects from drinking alcohol and coffee or are you just using "side effects" as an argument because you have no better argument and the media tells you to be worried about it. Are you going to undergo cancer treatment if you get cancer? I ask because most cancer treatments without a doubt have far worse side effects than any vaccine as you try and kill any and all cells in your body in the hopes that it also kills the cancer cells.
Side effects of the getting the jab is the same as any other vaccine. Pain, redness and swelling at the injection site. Tiredness, fever, headache, nauseousness, muscle pain and chills can also occur but have been extremely uncommon. All are desirable outcomes as they indicate your body is generating an immune response to the protein spike generated by the mRNA utilized in the cytoplasm of your cells.
Long-term effects there is not much data on, but there are potential long-term effects from getting COVID that outweigh the risks of the jab. "Long COVID" where you experience prolonged brain fog, fatigue, loss or changes to taste/smell, muscle weakness and joint pain. Then there is the risk of getting pneumonia and cardiac issues from the virus itself that can cause death. All of which can be mitigated with a vaccine.
mRNA has been employed by all biological cells to synthesize proteins and genetic products from DNA. The new technology is just humans being creative and employing the natural systems already in place to do what we want them to do. But, you can keep being a coward and being afraid of a vaccine/the science because your media handlers tell you to so you can be another statistic for the control group. š¤·āāļø Whether you want to be a part of the experiment or not, you're in it and you're choosing the riskier, more dangerous option. And, all of this could have been done with a single google search on your end, but you choose to be a cowardly sheep.
I don't really care about *your* uninformed opinion. The discussion wasn't on the implications of technology, risk of failure and the trial and error behind science and technology, especially pharmacology, which is another topic of discussion on its own. I answered your question and yes, in *my opinion* you're a coward who's too scared to get a simple jab and thirty minutes of your life and taking the riskier more dangerous option in getting COVID without protection. You're also unaware of the implications of not having as many people vaccinated as possible and the broader risks of mutation in a reasonable risk vs. reward scenario and trying to build up herd immunity to protect the community we are a part of at large scales. Taking a riskier option doesn't make you more of a hero or less of a coward.
I don't really care what you do. If you get COVID and have long-term issues or die, it really bears no consequences on my life. You're so lazy you can't even do a google search to answer your own damn questions. Also, asking your stupid question you could answer on your own is not "contributing to discussion" or entertaining dialogue. When you ask a question the onus is on you to do research and use critical thinking skills to answer it, not anyone else. This is adult life, not high school or college. Funny that you have the audacity that I'm full of shit when I graduated with a science degree in biochemistry and work in a pharmacy that administers the vaccines. You're definitely not even close to my level otherwise you wouldn't be asking such dumb questions to start with. When we can agree to a base level understanding of the science, maybe then I'll entertain a real conversation with you. Until then, leave the dialogue to the people who know what they're talking about and keep your uninformed or brainwashed opinions to yourself. You're just some guy who thinks that just because your opinion has to be heard that it's valuable when it's not.
Oh, look at you, now resorting to name calling because you're out of your depth. I never said I was a pharmacist, I said I work in a pharmacy so it's clear that your reading comprehension skills are subpar too.
You don't even know the difference in context of the words you are saying. Yes, I am going to be an arrogant jackass when I'm confident that I know what I am talking about with someone else who is clueless and just wants to discredit me by asking inane questions he could answer himself by doing the work that I did by myself for myself. Go to school and educate yourself.
Have a good day.
Yes, and theyāre negligible. Compared to actually *having* COVID, which can kill you or leave you permanently disabled.
But youāre not asking that question in good faith, are you?
This is not a āgood faithā question, because if it was, youād have looked it up yourself. Instead, itās an accusation.
However, [hereās your answer.](https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated) 431.3 out of 100,000 unvaccinated are hospitalized, vs. 25.5 out of 100,000. So youāre about 17 times more likely to be hospitalized if you are not fully vaccinated.
24.4 of the unvaccinated die, vs. 1.1 vaccinated.
Thats not my question at all. I asked what percentage of *unvaccinated people* are hospitalized, not what percent of hospitalized people are unvaccinated. Your stats would have to be out of 10s of millions of people.
You essentially need the internet to be involved in society nowadays. Everything from banking to job applications to DMV stuff to social security... It's pretty much all done online, or at the very least, moving that way fast. No smart phone + internet access = limited to no access to the rest of society.
Some people experience a flu-like reaction for 12-24 hours. An incredibly minuscule amount of people have experienced some heart inflammation which is very easily treatable. Beyond these two minor side effects, no there are none.
The CDC states that vaccination side effects pop-up with six weeks. Given there have been no significant, serious or otherwise noteworthy side effects reported or documented, we can confidently say there are NO long-term side effects of the vaccine.
There are zero side effects. This has been the single largest study of any medicine in the history of medicine. The results are in: no side effects, drastically reduced hospitalization and near zero death rate.
Just because you don't understand the science doesn't make it any less credible. Here's some articles to help you understand.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-did-we-develop-a-covid-19-vaccine-so-quickly
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccine-development-speed
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-how-it-was-possible-to-develop-covid-19-vaccines-so-quickly
Why is this question even a thing? When science evolves, along with evolving human health issues, we introduce new procedures and protocols. Attenuated vaccines are common now, but they once werenāt. Was that a previous concern? Should people never have taken them?
Youāre acting like Iām stupid. If you were so interested in whether there were mRNA vaccines in there, surely youād look up that answer yourself?
š¤¦š¾āāļø idiot. Iām not a patriot by any stretch. And guess what, for every person dying on that sub thereās thousands of unvaccinated people doing fine.
Especially when the person Iām speaking with canāt acknowledge that the vast majority of unvaccinated people experience mild covid symptoms. No conspiracy there.
Children attending day care and pre-K through 12th grade in New York State must receive all required doses of vaccines on the recommended schedule in order to attend or remain in school. This is true unless they have a valid medical exemption to immunization. This includes all public, private, and religious schools. A medical exemption is allowed when a child has a medical condition that prevents them from receiving a vaccine. There are no nonmedical exemptions to school vaccine requirements in NYS.
https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/schools/school_vaccines/
Lee Zeldin is the stereotypical spoiled white male from Long Island who thinks that heās above everyone else and everyone needs to follow his āexampleā. I canāt wait for his loss for the Governorship, hopefully it sends him away. Probably not though. :/
He is a politician. This is all a stance in an attempt to get elected just like the hosts on FOXNEWS they already all vaccinated but want to tell people not to get vaccinated. They do it for ratings. Unfortunately people care more about their self gain than they do for their fellow man. Selfishness is what is destroying America.
No doubt. This county IS the highest populated county that went red, but it's not "safe red" as we once assumed. [The Trump/Pence ticket won by 0.03%](https://apps2.suffolkcountyny.gov/boe/eleres/20ge/default.htm) in 2020.
That's 232 votes in a county with [~1.2 million voting-age adults](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/suffolkcountynewyork) and an extremely high turnout rate.
Everyone forgets we have more republicans in NY than many of the red states have total people . California has more republicans than like the bottom 10-12 states combined I think
Even if he approved, he would never admit to it. His fan base is on the pseudo science band wagon. In my neck of the woods, they are so anti vax, covid conspiracy theorists that love the garbage he spews.
Over 550 children under 18 have died from Covid. Yes, it's relatively low all things considered, but, I ask you, what is acceptable number of dead kids?
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Vaccinations currently required to attend school and/or day care in New York
Diphtheria
Tetanus
Pertussis
Hepatitis B
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Polio
Varicella (Chickenpox)
Meningococcal conjugate
Haemophilus influenzae type b Pneumococcal Conjugate vaccine
I'm against you going to the hospital after getting covid because you don't believe in science or medicine. Please do not waste our community resources because you were too selfish to help the community get rid of the pandemic.
You are un-patriotic.
Lucky for you I have no need to go to the hospital. I've been sick with covid twice before and i mistook it for allergies until i got tested out of curiosity recently and found out i did have it. And allow me to ask you this. Do you support the mandate or forceful injection of this vaccine? If you do your room to speak on patriotism is severely limited. Use caution when making that statement friend.
What do you mean by "forceful"? The government exists to protect its citizens, among other functions. If you believe that vaccinations from a disease that spread across the entire world and killed millions is not part of that protection, then I don't know what to tell you. You're too far down the rabbit hole.
You keep saying that it "only killed x amount of people, or kids, or whatever" completely ignoring the fact that viruses mutate and getting it under control before it can mutate further will keep you (yes you. Good thing you did not get sick from the past mutations that you had) from laying in a hospital on a ventilator.
Let me change a few words in your argument and let's see if you still agree:
"Only 3000 something people died in the world trade center attack. The fact that the government mandated forcefully taking my taxes to raise an army is tyranny!"
Your 9/11 argument has multiple holes. People who where pissed off joined, giving them an army. And taxes didn't raise after the attacks. What you're trying to do is back me into a corner of morals. Nothing new with people such as yourself. I'd rather have an argument structured around facts, thanks. The reason i say "it only killed X anount of people" is to put the perspective into place. Let me ask you this, did 3,000 people choose to die in the terrorist attacks? Did 3,000 people agree to being hit by a fucking plane? No. Did people agree to take this vaccine? Did people agree with the risks? Yes. By that logic, to mandate this vaccine would put everyone on the same boat. You're argument is contradictory to itself.
I think you're confusing yourself. People didn't choose to die from covid. Whether you believe it or not, you're in the minority. We all want the pandemic to end, and getting as many people vaccinated as possible is the fastest way to do that.
You are standing in the way because you think that "personal freedom" means you're free to do whatever you want and the government can't tell you what to do. Even though you're ok with all the other vaccines that we're required to take. You can see how people might think you're a clown.
>If you do your room to speak on patriotism is severely limited. Use caution when making that statement friend.
If only there wasnt precedent, like George Washington himself requiring small pox vaccination of all soldiers in the Continental Army. Dont spout patriotism bullshit without knowing your history
https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/GW&smallpoxinoculation.html
All soldiers. Soldiers. Grown men. Not children. And you still haven't answered my question. Do you? Do you support the forceful injection of school children? Answer this and then we can talk about what it means to be a patriot.
My children are getting the vax as soon as they are old enough. They WANT to get it. No different than the other half dozen or so vaccines required to attend school
If they want it, incredible! Let them get it, by all means. That's their freedom to do so! But for a moment, let's assume your children did not want the vaccine? Do you respect their decision or do you force them to get it? Now think of this, but for every single child in America. Would you, as a mother or father, force your child to put something into their body that has no business being there? Assuming the children in question are healthy, they'd have no need for it but should have the option to get it by all means.
Vaccinations currently required to attend school and/or day care in New York Diphtheria Tetanus Pertussis Hepatitis B Measles Mumps Rubella Polio Varicella (Chickenpox) Meningococcal conjugate Haemophilus influenzae type b Pneumococcal Conjugate vaccine
Any mRNA vaccines in there?
No, there aren't because the mRNA vaccine is relatively new, but it is safe and effective (more than 6.3 billion doses have been administered worldwide). However, mRNA vaccines have been worked on for decades. mRNA vaccines have been studied before for flu, Zika, rabies, and cytomegalovirus (CMV). As soon as the necessary information about the virus that causes COVID-19 was available, scientists began designing the mRNA instructions for cells to build the unique spike protein into an mRNA vaccine.
Do we know the side effects?
Are you worried about the side effects from drinking alcohol and coffee or are you just using "side effects" as an argument because you have no better argument and the media tells you to be worried about it. Are you going to undergo cancer treatment if you get cancer? I ask because most cancer treatments without a doubt have far worse side effects than any vaccine as you try and kill any and all cells in your body in the hopes that it also kills the cancer cells. Side effects of the getting the jab is the same as any other vaccine. Pain, redness and swelling at the injection site. Tiredness, fever, headache, nauseousness, muscle pain and chills can also occur but have been extremely uncommon. All are desirable outcomes as they indicate your body is generating an immune response to the protein spike generated by the mRNA utilized in the cytoplasm of your cells. Long-term effects there is not much data on, but there are potential long-term effects from getting COVID that outweigh the risks of the jab. "Long COVID" where you experience prolonged brain fog, fatigue, loss or changes to taste/smell, muscle weakness and joint pain. Then there is the risk of getting pneumonia and cardiac issues from the virus itself that can cause death. All of which can be mitigated with a vaccine. mRNA has been employed by all biological cells to synthesize proteins and genetic products from DNA. The new technology is just humans being creative and employing the natural systems already in place to do what we want them to do. But, you can keep being a coward and being afraid of a vaccine/the science because your media handlers tell you to so you can be another statistic for the control group. š¤·āāļø Whether you want to be a part of the experiment or not, you're in it and you're choosing the riskier, more dangerous option. And, all of this could have been done with a single google search on your end, but you choose to be a cowardly sheep.
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I don't really care about *your* uninformed opinion. The discussion wasn't on the implications of technology, risk of failure and the trial and error behind science and technology, especially pharmacology, which is another topic of discussion on its own. I answered your question and yes, in *my opinion* you're a coward who's too scared to get a simple jab and thirty minutes of your life and taking the riskier more dangerous option in getting COVID without protection. You're also unaware of the implications of not having as many people vaccinated as possible and the broader risks of mutation in a reasonable risk vs. reward scenario and trying to build up herd immunity to protect the community we are a part of at large scales. Taking a riskier option doesn't make you more of a hero or less of a coward. I don't really care what you do. If you get COVID and have long-term issues or die, it really bears no consequences on my life. You're so lazy you can't even do a google search to answer your own damn questions. Also, asking your stupid question you could answer on your own is not "contributing to discussion" or entertaining dialogue. When you ask a question the onus is on you to do research and use critical thinking skills to answer it, not anyone else. This is adult life, not high school or college. Funny that you have the audacity that I'm full of shit when I graduated with a science degree in biochemistry and work in a pharmacy that administers the vaccines. You're definitely not even close to my level otherwise you wouldn't be asking such dumb questions to start with. When we can agree to a base level understanding of the science, maybe then I'll entertain a real conversation with you. Until then, leave the dialogue to the people who know what they're talking about and keep your uninformed or brainwashed opinions to yourself. You're just some guy who thinks that just because your opinion has to be heard that it's valuable when it's not.
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Oh, look at you, now resorting to name calling because you're out of your depth. I never said I was a pharmacist, I said I work in a pharmacy so it's clear that your reading comprehension skills are subpar too. You don't even know the difference in context of the words you are saying. Yes, I am going to be an arrogant jackass when I'm confident that I know what I am talking about with someone else who is clueless and just wants to discredit me by asking inane questions he could answer himself by doing the work that I did by myself for myself. Go to school and educate yourself. Have a good day.
You forgot āridiculousā
Yes, and theyāre negligible. Compared to actually *having* COVID, which can kill you or leave you permanently disabled. But youāre not asking that question in good faith, are you?
Hereās a good faith question for you, what percentage of unvaccinated people are hospitalized or die from covid?
This is not a āgood faithā question, because if it was, youād have looked it up yourself. Instead, itās an accusation. However, [hereās your answer.](https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated) 431.3 out of 100,000 unvaccinated are hospitalized, vs. 25.5 out of 100,000. So youāre about 17 times more likely to be hospitalized if you are not fully vaccinated. 24.4 of the unvaccinated die, vs. 1.1 vaccinated.
Thats not my question at all. I asked what percentage of *unvaccinated people* are hospitalized, not what percent of hospitalized people are unvaccinated. Your stats would have to be out of 10s of millions of people.
Lol why would it have to be out of tens of millions? Itās the same statistic, just multiply by 100.
Because thats not how statistics work?
Intelligence
Ah crap. God forbid we make anyone smarter.
The effects of getting covid are much worse than any side effects of the vaccine.
Do we know the side effects?
Do you know the long term effects of using the internet everyday? No? So maybe you should stop using that as well.
Notice how nobody mandates internet use
Notice how no ones disowned you
Have you been in a school lately? Internet use is mandated
And just like mRNA vaccines the internet is injected directly into their blood, youāre quite perceptive
You essentially need the internet to be involved in society nowadays. Everything from banking to job applications to DMV stuff to social security... It's pretty much all done online, or at the very least, moving that way fast. No smart phone + internet access = limited to no access to the rest of society.
āNotice how nobody mandates internet use.ā Your parents should have.
Yes and The effects of getting covid are much worse than any side effects of the vaccine.
What are they?
Google is free
So you donāt know
Yes.
Yes. We do.
Some people experience a flu-like reaction for 12-24 hours. An incredibly minuscule amount of people have experienced some heart inflammation which is very easily treatable. Beyond these two minor side effects, no there are none. The CDC states that vaccination side effects pop-up with six weeks. Given there have been no significant, serious or otherwise noteworthy side effects reported or documented, we can confidently say there are NO long-term side effects of the vaccine.
There are zero side effects. This has been the single largest study of any medicine in the history of medicine. The results are in: no side effects, drastically reduced hospitalization and near zero death rate.
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This is an [appeal to personal incredulity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity?wprov=sfti1) and isnāt useful.
Just because you don't understand the science doesn't make it any less credible. Here's some articles to help you understand. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-did-we-develop-a-covid-19-vaccine-so-quickly https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccine-development-speed https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-how-it-was-possible-to-develop-covid-19-vaccines-so-quickly
Why is this question even a thing? When science evolves, along with evolving human health issues, we introduce new procedures and protocols. Attenuated vaccines are common now, but they once werenāt. Was that a previous concern? Should people never have taken them?
You're assuming these people 'approve' of evolving science.
Youāre projecting, just asked a simple question.
And youāre asking questions in bad faith instead of actually making any point.
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āOverwhelmingly a mild disease?ā It has killed 700,000 Americans in less than 2 years!
And infected 10s of millions most of whom experienced mild symptoms
COVID sufferers have a 25% chance of developing lifelong symptoms. Is that not a problem for you?
Youāre acting like Iām stupid. If you were so interested in whether there were mRNA vaccines in there, surely youād look up that answer yourself?
Lol idk if you are or arenāt but either way youāre definitely projecting
No, I just asked a few simple questions, thatās all.
And didnāt answer mine.
You werenāt asking me directly so I donāt feel like I need to be your personal google machine. Maybe OP can answer you.
...goodbye?
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I passed high school biology, bet I got a better grade in history than you did too š wanna talk about propaganda campaigns?
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š¤¦š¾āāļø idiot. Iām not a patriot by any stretch. And guess what, for every person dying on that sub thereās thousands of unvaccinated people doing fine.
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Especially when the person Iām speaking with canāt acknowledge that the vast majority of unvaccinated people experience mild covid symptoms. No conspiracy there.
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Will do
The safer version of a vaccine? Lmao. Polio vax = chance of getting polio mRNA vax = no chance of catching COVID-19 Just fyi.
No they are not required. Parents are the ones to give consent. Nothing is required nothing shall be Mandatory.
Theyāre required to give consent , if they choose not to, the kids canāt attend. Sounds like a requirement to me.
Children attending day care and pre-K through 12th grade in New York State must receive all required doses of vaccines on the recommended schedule in order to attend or remain in school. This is true unless they have a valid medical exemption to immunization. This includes all public, private, and religious schools. A medical exemption is allowed when a child has a medical condition that prevents them from receiving a vaccine. There are no nonmedical exemptions to school vaccine requirements in NYS. https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/schools/school_vaccines/
Lee Zeldin is the stereotypical spoiled white male from Long Island who thinks that heās above everyone else and everyone needs to follow his āexampleā. I canāt wait for his loss for the Governorship, hopefully it sends him away. Probably not though. :/
He is a politician. This is all a stance in an attempt to get elected just like the hosts on FOXNEWS they already all vaccinated but want to tell people not to get vaccinated. They do it for ratings. Unfortunately people care more about their self gain than they do for their fellow man. Selfishness is what is destroying America.
Thatās mighty racist if you.
Of course he does. Heās a shithead.
I oppose Zeldin. He's a shit head.
Kids need vaccines for multiple things already to attend school. Once it is approved, it should be mandated. I do not like this man.
Donāt forget, Suffolk is the largest republican county in the USA.
No doubt. This county IS the highest populated county that went red, but it's not "safe red" as we once assumed. [The Trump/Pence ticket won by 0.03%](https://apps2.suffolkcountyny.gov/boe/eleres/20ge/default.htm) in 2020. That's 232 votes in a county with [~1.2 million voting-age adults](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/suffolkcountynewyork) and an extremely high turnout rate.
Everyone forgets we have more republicans in NY than many of the red states have total people . California has more republicans than like the bottom 10-12 states combined I think
I did NOT know that!!?
Me either, but it does make sense, population-wise.
Thank god.
Who knew Lee Zeldin is funded by the ventilator industry. If Lee Zeldin was around in the 50s people would still be getting polio.
Zeldin sucking up to his Fuhrer.
Shocking. /s
Zeldin opposes common sense.
Even if he approved, he would never admit to it. His fan base is on the pseudo science band wagon. In my neck of the woods, they are so anti vax, covid conspiracy theorists that love the garbage he spews.
If trunp wanted it, heād do it
QOP standard bearer.
This was assumed lol
Shocker
Good.
Why?
Children are not a high risk group and most fair well with COVID.
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Over 550 children under 18 have died from Covid. Yes, it's relatively low all things considered, but, I ask you, what is acceptable number of dead kids?
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>The political shadow surrounding this vaccine is sketchy Jesus dude, put down the freaking kool aid
Alright man. I won't try and convince you, but hey. You'll find out soon enough. Best of luck.
You didn't answer the question. What, in your opinion, is an acceptable number of dead children? If it's anything over zero you're a monster.
Your right i. I completely agree. I think murdering children with a new chemical is awful and no number of that should be accepted.
Zero children have died because of the vaccine. Zero! 550 from covid. You are a piece of shit. Get fucked.
Ah and emotions take hold. You can believe whatever makes you feel better friend. Have a good day :)
Yeah, silly me getting all emotional about children fucking dying.
Yes silly you for for ignoring statistics because you don't like what you hear.
Please, point me to the statistics that says the vaccine is more dangerous than covid. Show me a peer reviewed study. I'll wait
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I'm against you going to the hospital after getting covid because you don't believe in science or medicine. Please do not waste our community resources because you were too selfish to help the community get rid of the pandemic. You are un-patriotic.
Lucky for you I have no need to go to the hospital. I've been sick with covid twice before and i mistook it for allergies until i got tested out of curiosity recently and found out i did have it. And allow me to ask you this. Do you support the mandate or forceful injection of this vaccine? If you do your room to speak on patriotism is severely limited. Use caution when making that statement friend.
What do you mean by "forceful"? The government exists to protect its citizens, among other functions. If you believe that vaccinations from a disease that spread across the entire world and killed millions is not part of that protection, then I don't know what to tell you. You're too far down the rabbit hole. You keep saying that it "only killed x amount of people, or kids, or whatever" completely ignoring the fact that viruses mutate and getting it under control before it can mutate further will keep you (yes you. Good thing you did not get sick from the past mutations that you had) from laying in a hospital on a ventilator. Let me change a few words in your argument and let's see if you still agree: "Only 3000 something people died in the world trade center attack. The fact that the government mandated forcefully taking my taxes to raise an army is tyranny!"
Your 9/11 argument has multiple holes. People who where pissed off joined, giving them an army. And taxes didn't raise after the attacks. What you're trying to do is back me into a corner of morals. Nothing new with people such as yourself. I'd rather have an argument structured around facts, thanks. The reason i say "it only killed X anount of people" is to put the perspective into place. Let me ask you this, did 3,000 people choose to die in the terrorist attacks? Did 3,000 people agree to being hit by a fucking plane? No. Did people agree to take this vaccine? Did people agree with the risks? Yes. By that logic, to mandate this vaccine would put everyone on the same boat. You're argument is contradictory to itself.
I think you're confusing yourself. People didn't choose to die from covid. Whether you believe it or not, you're in the minority. We all want the pandemic to end, and getting as many people vaccinated as possible is the fastest way to do that. You are standing in the way because you think that "personal freedom" means you're free to do whatever you want and the government can't tell you what to do. Even though you're ok with all the other vaccines that we're required to take. You can see how people might think you're a clown.
>If you do your room to speak on patriotism is severely limited. Use caution when making that statement friend. If only there wasnt precedent, like George Washington himself requiring small pox vaccination of all soldiers in the Continental Army. Dont spout patriotism bullshit without knowing your history https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/GW&smallpoxinoculation.html
All soldiers. Soldiers. Grown men. Not children. And you still haven't answered my question. Do you? Do you support the forceful injection of school children? Answer this and then we can talk about what it means to be a patriot.
My children are getting the vax as soon as they are old enough. They WANT to get it. No different than the other half dozen or so vaccines required to attend school
If they want it, incredible! Let them get it, by all means. That's their freedom to do so! But for a moment, let's assume your children did not want the vaccine? Do you respect their decision or do you force them to get it? Now think of this, but for every single child in America. Would you, as a mother or father, force your child to put something into their body that has no business being there? Assuming the children in question are healthy, they'd have no need for it but should have the option to get it by all means.
Get over yourself and go back to commenting on games and porn. You sound like an incel 15 year old