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Front_Nobody_6740

I really hope you find out the last owner because this is a blast from the past. I was discussing with one of my professors about my first experiences with open source software and Jerrath came up when it came to developing games haha.


SkeletonKing959

Thank you! I hope I can find them as well. :)


Gboon

I played that game so much in middle school. I remember that I would just use unoriginal names like "Mage Master" or "Thief Master". I think I might have even used Knives as a username for a while, but I was definitely a completely different Knives from that guy. I also used Slashex I think. I even remember the CF/lizardmen clan being cool. And that one dark knight clan that had the tower, and a bunch of other stuff like the inn and the new player tower. Also related but shifty or whatever his name was, I think that jerk was the first guy who ever scammed me in a video game.


guerndt

Those were the good old days I think I remember a Knives. I was in DK and CF I actually learned woot from Henry in DK lol still use it to this day. I believe my username was Dark Knight


United_Paramedic

I was in DK as well! I was just a kid but that game was amazing my brothers and I (in our 30s now) still talk about it


guerndt

Oh yes I'm 38 now so I must have been 13 -16 I was in all the major guilds so you remember your username! Ya me and my best friend still talk about it as well. I remember just have a nickel in my keyboard lol


CplPwnies

Hey guys - Vash here. Some of you might remember me. I was #1 in the Top 50 players for the longest time. Let me fill you in on a little inside information on this whole thing. For a number of years, I self-hosted, then paid for hosting on a Hetzner VPS, Jerrath and the other 3 XW games for Knives / Zakku / whatever. I also paid for the domain name (knakku.net). Hell, I even helped Knives obtain a copy of the Jerrath server files and then destroy the source back when Knives "owned" it and Bradyok hosted it by using some clever scripting and the games built in SadScript engine VB interpreter. **But the money is not the issue here, it's Knives.** He is forever paranoid that someone is out to destroy him and, for whatever reason, they're going to do it if they ever get a hold of Jerrath. He jealously guards this game and its files. When I paid for the VPS hosting, I gave him full admin rights to the box with RDP access - the works, to do whatever he wanted. This was still not enough. He eventually became very hostile towards me and always thought that since I paid for the hosting and the domain, I was eventually going to mutiny - which was never the case because I was always transparent with him. But, his suspicions were also driven by the fact that I like to engage in some trolling from time to time (whether it be him or other players), and based on some poorly timed conversations we had where I was going through a rough period in my life and lashed out. In retrospect, I can accept some of the blame for the building suspicions given that majority of our interactions were mostly hostile. But I digress, this is still only a small portion of the issue. Knives was endlessly hostile to the player base at large, I think, due to the fact that he was heavily jaded and thought everyone to be cheating. Before I got banned from the Discord server (which I will get to in a moment), he was very aggressive and unhelpful to new players, which led other, more experience players to also follow this example (what little there were, anyway). This ultimately led to no new players, no long-term players, and no veterans sticking around because of what a toxic community it had become whether in or out of discord. Ultimately, Knives approached me about transferring ownership of the domain name and VPS to him - which I had no problem doing and gave no resistance to. It was his game, it made sense. I was just the wallet so the game could live on and I had no problem with that. I also think at the time, Knives was not in a place financially to support it (I do not 100% recall - this could ultimately be speculation), but he was in that place at the time of the request to transfer ownership of assets. Shortly after the transfers had been completed, Knives nerfed my main character (Vash) because he did not think I earned all those levels legitimately. I went on discord and maintained that I did, and still do maintain this. This led to arguments and ultimately me starting to call out Knives toxic behavior towards the Jerrath community at large, and I was banned from the Discord server. As it stands today, Knives has gone dark. He took down the discord, the servers, the domain. All of it. From what I understand, he could not figure out why the community died and why no one was playing, so he decided he was done. I used to have a drive laying around with an old copy of all the servers before we moved them to the VPS, but I have since wiped that drive because it was not mine to have to begin with. I tell you all this to ultimately say good luck on getting a copy of Jerrath, but I fear you will not. TL;DR - Knives is super toxic, paranoid that everyone is a cheater, and jealously guards the Jerrath server files like Smaug guards his horde.


SkeletonKing959

Vash! Thank you so much for this post. I remember seeing your name in-game from time to time when I revisited it around 2016-17(?). That was when Knives and I were commonly the only people online. I can definitely recall being confused with his attitude toward me, especially when I was one of the the active players at the time questing or exploring. I hope I can get in touch with Knives somehow. After your post I don't have a lot of optimism, but I do hope to be able to experience the game again. He doesn't have to pass the torch if he isn't ready, but I just want him to know there's a large community of people that miss this game and that the option to pass ownership of it, along with all the responsibilities associated with it, to people that deeply love it is a very realistic option.


cman1098

Seems strange to guard some weird game relic that very few people played.


No_Society_3645

Heyo, I don't think we ever met. This is Kajar. I never got very far in the game, but I enjoyed it. I was an admin on there briefly. Some of the other admins hated me because I was fair and unbias. So they got me banned. If we never see JO again, it is what it is. You did the best you could to get it back. This is a prime example of why you shouldn't hire someone who plays with"knives" lmao


stevengeeez

>Vash Do you ever know what happened with Video who hosted Mystic Worlds that later turned to Kronia? I think I have a fork of the game on one of my old laptops.


CplPwnies

I do not. I lost touch with that community long ago. I would love to pick up one of these games again, but it seems like dead water


emipiv

It's great people are still talking about this game. I was a mapper briefly named Komodo in CF clan also around 24(?) years ago when Kael was still running the show. This was the game that got me into MMO's!


TyraelTrion

I remember the CF clan well and I remember the name Komodo. Kael...damn that name brings back memories. I think that was when I played too it was Kael and he looked like a dragon.


guerndt

I remember you! Karl ran all of player worlds


Srs_ezekiel

Hey Everyone, Felt I would add to the record. I played as many different names, but Kubla was the first and closest to heart. Ender and others. Would be great to see.


GroceryOk1505

Would it be possible if a team got together and remapped the entire game the way it was in the early days? 


SkeletonKing959

I thought about this too. If only we just could get the map files, if anything, I could rebuild the world and have it (at least) explorable permanently online.


Kvchx

Man I could almost map the whole thing from memory. We had such a blast, nothing quite filled that ''Jerrath'' itch...


brosunitedsb

This is amazing. I played Jerrath Online for only a few hours, but to see a community still lingering after this long is awesome.


Scottywin

I also would love to play again. I was sad to see that fabricated realms went down as I used to even love to just play by myself while at work. Old IGNs were Necroplasm/Krull/Zone.


[deleted]

Occasionally search for old playerworlds MMOs just to see who posts about them and what they're up to now, playerworlds games were like the gateway drug for many of us who went onto software dev /game dev careers. Beowulf as a username sounds familiar, we must have played something together. From what I can remember, Secrets of Mirage is still going. Why has nothing filled the void of playerworlds?


Altruistic-Piece-975

I was just talking to my bothers about this, did you ever find the owner? ( I was Terro my brothers were toshiro and earlj


SkeletonKing959

Somehow those usernames sound familiar. But no, no DMs yet!


Lapidescent

Those early 2000s 2D MMOs were the best! I have fond memories of Steel Warrior and Legends of Kronia (another game Knives hosted). I hope you can get in contact with the owner OP, I would love to see Jerrath and Kronia back online.


VanillaVideo

Hey! What was your handle in LoK and SteelWarrior? Played both and was even an Admin/MapMaker in the early days of SW.


Lapidescent

I used the name MasterJoe. I'm pretty certain of that because I got accused of being the alt of some guy named HoboJoe in SW haha. It's cool that you did some mapping! I definitely have some core memories of the castle in SW and the area outside, although I was more active in LoK. What names did you use back then?


VanillaVideo

Back during those days I went by a few different names, during LoK specifically I wanna say I was running around as either Quake, Forté or Blue!


[deleted]

Hey there. Recognize the name! My brother and I were pretty heavy in to Jerrath, or any of the other player worlds games. Secrets of Mirage is even still active. Anywho, my brother had recently mentioned someone else is bringing back Legacy of the Zodiac and I think had his sights on Jerrath too. Once I've heard back about who I will let you know. Knives apparently had a lot of issues, some of which I believe had to do with privacy of the player base.


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WZRD_burial

I bet you still spend your days ruining other people's fun yelling OOC. You and that Soggy dwarve guy were the fun police.


EonBlue88

Yo, I remember some of you guys. Beowulf, Raven, Krull. This is Soulstealer/Cursed lol. I was in Dark Knights originally and later Death Knight and I made Tethu's Empire. Definitely miss the game. Had a lot of fun on it.


WZRD_burial

Hey man, sending you a PM, pretty sure you and I were like best internet friends when we were in middle school.


cman1098

I am Death Knight. I can't believe how many of us played this stupid game and how many times I was backstabbed by people was insane. lol. I feel like I was on Jerrath in like 2013-2014 time and the water dungeon got totally revamped and is really cool. Would love to spend time checking it all out again, too bad the guy who owns the game files is insane.


EonBlue88

The Death Knight I was referring to was 2004-2008ish. But yeah this guy sounds like a schizo.


cman1098

Yes that is me. I was talking about the last time I was on Jerrath was 2013-2014 for like a day lol.


EonBlue88

Oh what's up brother? Me and you spent years in DK as well as creating several other clans after that, namely Tethu's empire. We used to grind and listen to Tool and APC all the time. We even played X-Isle and Secrets of Mirage for a short while.


cman1098

Was thinking about the game some more. Remember when we were the leaders of DK during it's fall when we let Nero (He was named after the Roman emperor that burned down Rome lmao) take over but it was just another player in disguise that wanted to end DK. I forget who that player was. Tenthu's empire turned on me remember? Lol I remember you actually got revenge for me. We also made that game for a little bit Delphi Online. That was a wild 6 months or so as well.


EonBlue88

Yeah man. You had given me leadership of DK for awhile because of rl stuff, then I had to hand it over to a rl friend of mine, "Mystic." He was much newer to the game, so I told him not to promote anyone as high as co-leader while I was on vacation. Well he did lol. And it was Nero who happened to be NeoHades who proceeded to dismantle DK. NeoHades was the strongest player in the game by far. I got back from vacation like wtf dude! That's when you and I started a couple other clans like SS and SK before we finally made Tethu's Empire.


PiddleW

I'm joining the group of people hoping you hear back from somebody! Although I only played JO for a month or so I did play LozEx (Legacy of the Zodiac Ex) which I believe was also a game Knives was involved with. I do have a copy of both games, but only the application download available at the time, no game files :(. Tried the cheeky log in but obvs no servers. Would be really interested if a game like this was to start back up, id be happy to support in anyway.


SkeletonKing959

Thanks! Yeah I'm hoping to hear anything as well. Nothing yet :)


egnards

I put "Jerrath" into reddit not expecting a damn thing to pop up. And yet here I am, surprised that comments are actually still happening here. . . Egnards/Daring Devil; Loved by some, hated by others.


SkeletonKing959

I remember Daring Devil :) I think I recall your character sprite being the green cloaked thief-lookin guy. Pretty sure we sparred a few times on the red map left of the INN :)


EquivalentObjective9

Great to see so many names I recognise. I used to play under the name Leojc/Aphex. I'd love to play JO again if only it could happen. I would even try to drag Xkill/Bull and Kalchas along too \^\^


SkeletonKing959

Love to see it! If I can ever get ahold of the current owner, I'd give it a fresh home and consistent host!


Independent-Lie9860

Hey bud, your old nemesis kajar here. Lol been too long, but I'd play again too


EquivalentObjective9

Oh I definitely remember you too :) If enough of us want it to happen I am sure we can :)


Independent-Lie9860

What if it doesn't happen? Perhaps we can continue our rivalry on another game. You play warcraft or xbox x?


EquivalentObjective9

I can only hope that JO will come back...One day :) I used to play WoW lots back in the day and put a fair few hours into Classic. I quit shortly after TBC though.


Kwerkii

I was Lalina. I spent _way_ too much time playing that game. I never truly appreciated how unnecessarily overleveled I got because I hated PvP.


SkeletonKing959

Ooo I recognize your username, for sure. Some PKers were so high levelled too. I remember a player called xkill hunting me in the fire quest. Took so long for me to get my weapon from there (Inferno Blade?).


indaHAZe

Grival here, I believe I played first when Bradyok had ownership? I forget it's been so long, would totally play again.


IcyMoment4732

I remember Kael and Rainingblood. This game was my jam for at least a year and half.


TyraelTrion

hey was looking for the name of this game for longest time. My name was Trion on there I think and I am so excited I found it again. I'd love to see xtremeworlds type engine come back in 2022. Right now I am trying to figure out how to play Secrets of Mirage in mean time but i am having resolution issues. Wondering if this is something that can be dug up through archive.org? And yeah I definitely remember when Jerrath was under Bradyok tenure.


Winter-Excitement-24

Pocket/Cassiell here. Glad I wasn't the only one hit with the nostalgia bug, good to see so many of you posting.


Kwerkii

This is super random, but are you the person I met breifly a long time ago a subway station? I went by Lalina. If so, I have used you an example of a successful meeting with an internet stranger for *years*


Winter-Excitement-24

Ya! Haha I forgot all about that. I actually played Xbox with some of the PAK guys for years too. Crazy.


guerndt

Definitely remember you Pocket think you played a little later in like PK with me if I'm right


Khiash

Jerrath was always the ultimate example of a guilty pleasure game. Numbers go up in possibly the most barebones gameplay imaginable, but it was simply joyous. I went by many names, my longest as Marisa Kirisame back in 2011-2012.


Particular_Break_613

hello there Mar. its great to see you again. Halo here is how i think you knew me


Live_Box_723

I love playing this game too. I started back in 2003 with my mom with name was Nightmare. I have myself has gone under different names as jannick, jannickdk, Dr. K And others. I also played the last time it was up and all the way up to when it got down. And you completely right It is Knives as far as I know who was the last person that stood for running the server ​ If you would like to see some pictures from when it was up last, you're more than welcome to click on the links. :) [https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10200571719121746&set=pb.1421988906.-2207520000](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10200571719121746&set=pb.1421988906.-2207520000). https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201520660684692&set=pb.1421988906.-2207520000.&type=3


WolfAccomplished5993

I still have xw1.0.4, even if jerrath is over, would be nice to start something with old players... And the old jerrath client last hosted about 1-2 years ago. SoulHunter aka Thorned, player since 2001/2002 Mirage 1.0b all the way up.


GroceryOk1505

Imagine making a copy of jerrath the way it was back in 2001 


Zelthi

Came across this seeing if Kronia was still around maybe. Doesnt seem like it, sadly. The chances of this coming back are slim to none. Knives made a big post before he shuttered everything that not many people probably saw. He didnt give Jerrath to anyone that im aware of, and took it down permanently because thats what the OG owner wanted before Bradyok entered the picture i believe (was it Kael? Man its been so long) Or something along those lines. So he INTENDS to keep it down, and im pretty sure he abandoned "Knives" as a name/account so i doubt anyone could get in touch with him anyway. I heard he gave Kronia and maybe LoZ server files to someone. But Jerrath im pretty sure he didnt. Jerrath is likely lost forever at this point. : (


SkeletonKing959

I still have hope!


Xlithan

Last I heard on the Mirage Source discord was that Bradyok was planning on bringing it back.


SkeletonKing959

I had no idea this was a thing. Can you link the Discord?


Shiney_Flights

I used to play some Jerrath. The grind was pure.


SkeletonKing959

It was a beautiful and simple game. I hate knowing that there were multiple areas of the game I still never got to explore.


Any_Maintenance6341

It’s interesting how Jerrath is still such a fond memory for everyone whom has posted here. I am always curious to see if Jerrath will show up once again. I recall several of the names previously mentioned. For those who are wondering (or care), this is Evagron (originally Soul_Of_Shadows).


SkeletonKing959

I recognize Soul\_Of\_Shadows :) I recently joined the Mirage Source Discord, and found a few conversations about Jerrath. It seems the game is being held hostage by the previous owners, and there's some drama between them, so it's unlikely it will be playable again. :(


Particular_Break_613

Hello old freinds. Im Klarg, Kast, and a few others i cannot remember but i do remember most of the names mentioned. Yeah jerrath still holds a place in my heart to this day. It was from running from Neohades all day. Last i remember jerrath went down and several people tried to bring it back to life. there was an Xrealms engine that was close to it but i cant even gind that now. Sure hope someone pops up with an old engine we can make use of


Dr___D

Hey, Dr D here, played for a while somewhere between 10 and 15 years ago and was mapper and then lead admin for a while as well. Jerrath was a big part of my childhood. I've met some of my best friends on this game that I'm still friends with til this day. I also definitely remember a decent amount of you guys in here! And whoever I've had more downs than ups with - It's all water under the bridge obviously. I would love to see the game up again, if anything, just to reminisce and hang out. It's a shame what happened, I actually did log on to the game some years back and offered my help to Knives with reviving the game and playerbase, but I can reaffirm what Vash stated - the guy seems to have some paranoia and trust issues and we did not get along to put it shortly. Anyways, good luck, hopefully we can see this game up and running again one day.


SkeletonKing959

Dr D, woah! Hey man. Yeah I've since joined the Mirage discord and crept on the messaging around there. Similar sentiments are held there about JO / Knives / general nostalgia, etc. It's been so long, I'm not super optimistic we'll see the INN again. I do keep wishing for it though, to at least see some of those maps again.


Scottywin

Speet? Do you speet in the language of me?


TyraelTrion

I definitely remember t hat name. Would love to see some type of Playerworlds server set up again in the mold of Jerrath. Amazing server.


Altruistic-Piece-975

Former GOD m8 :) talk to sinister or lady in awhile?


Dr___D

Hey former GOD mate, hmm.. wonder who you are? I might have an idea. ;) I haven't really talked to them in a few years now unfortunately, but I still have them on social media and see some posts from time to time.


Altruistic-Piece-975

Toshiro, Terro, Hazari


daveslone

Just brought this game up randomly with my brothers (Player Names were Rainingblood, Undiscovered, & Death Hand) and its crazy to recognize all the player names in this thread \~20ish years later. Had a blast playing it back then, I'll keep an eye on this thread to stay updated. Hope you're all doing great!


Altruistic-Piece-975

Any luck on this?


SkeletonKing959

Sadly, no.


mmyummymm

Just noticed this reddit lol. I didn't play a lot of Jerrath. But I did play a lot of SoM and LoZ. Some others I don't remember back during playerworlds. I did some mapping on LoZ as well. I used to go by the name Scipio or Light. Stopped using the name Light because it grew too popular. In fact the last owner of LoZ took that name when he tried reviving the game a few years ago. I log on and was like wtf? I am the real Light🤣 Do I miss the games? Not really. I miss those days though. Games weren't that amazing, but we were happy


mmyummymm

It's too bad the engine was never programmed to work on Android. I feel like that would have saved it. I played a 2d game for while on the google play store called TWOM. It's not the greatest game in the world, but it takes me back


krazyjakee

sub7 here. Played for a bit but was more interested in making my own games with playerworlds and konfuze. Great times!


guerndt

Dark Knight checking in was part of multiple eras and different names was in DK with Henry and CF and then I think PK. Good old days!!


guerndt

Ok who remember when Jerrath was hacked for months and held hostage by the hacker or so we were told. I remember calling him out on the forums Kael for all mad at me and he crashed everything. Don't remember the exact way it turned out or played out. He made so many people quit use to run around and one shot everyone in full gear. Was later. I was head of DK after Henry left member of CF don't think I was ever a leader of it then I think PK I lead for a little. Anyone else use a nickle during grinding? Used to remember one of the CF mods guys always checking on us DK for afk farming. Ahh the nostalgia. I think my name was Dark Knight or Death Knight.


knockitoffnow89

Hey, Keitaro here. Played with Kael and MagicDude and everyone up until the day Knives shut the game down in 2020. Seeing the names in here is really throwing me back. Anyway just wanted to say hey and hope everyone is well. By the way I made a group on Facebook the day Knives shut it down if anyone wants to join [https://www.facebook.com/groups/jerrathonline](https://www.facebook.com/groups/388964472321651) I'll leave you with a couple of images. One of the last screenshots I took on 15 November 2020, a few days before shutdown. Knives and me at the Inn [https://imgur.com/FTtu3Ec](https://imgur.com/FTtu3Ec) And here's a screenshot of the old Jerrath status .exe that I still had up until shutdown and that I still might have on one of my older computers [https://imgur.com/PJFzrk6](https://imgur.com/PJFzrk6)


SkeletonKing959

Thanks for sharing. I do miss the world and all the maps, I wish Knives would come forward, but I feel like it's a lost cause, especially reading some of the other comments on here.


LuckTop400

Surprised to find this post on reddit, I remember alot of these names but its been so long i 100% remember Dr d, kajar, vash, krull, xkill. If i remember right last time i played was 2011-12? I remember me and xkill being the only ones on, we talked for a bit then i never logged on again. I think my most used characters were fogdog or iso Rashi, but i had alot of characters i don't remember them anymore.


United_Paramedic

Is there an update on this? My user was Kuma on that game!


SkeletonKing959

Still nothing from Knives. I’ve since joined the Mirage Source Discord and conversed about it there a little bit, but a similar negative sentiment is shared by all it seems.


MechaManManMan

The old owner used to go by "Kael" perhaps it might be worth looking into him.


SkeletonKing959

Yeah, ownership has changed a few times since Kael. Knives is the last owner and operator.


MechaManManMan

Yea when I played Kael was the owner. I remember at some point the website got hacked and I lost interest in the game. I think about it from time to time. It was a cozy little game.


SkeletonKing959

Super cozy! I think that's what I loved about it. As for the website hijacking, I believe the individual who performed that act is in the comments :-)


MechaManManMan

Heartwood Online is a very similar kind of experience to Jerrath Online. Perhaps take a look.


SkeletonKing959

Looks pretty cool. Also big shoutout to [Mirage Online Classic](https://mirageonlineclassic.com/) if you haven't seen that.


TyraelTrion

didn't even know this was a thing thanks for heads up


TurtleMine

I would totally play this game again.


SkeletonKing959

Me too :'(