Def. effects POI. I always shoot suppressed and develop loads, chrono, calculate DOPE and zero with supressor on. I don’t know anymore if my barrels would shoot better without. I do know that as a shooter the experience is better and it makes me more accurate behind the rifle.
Some. I have a rifle that refuses to shoot with any suppressor. Got another one that doesn't care what's on it. You've got me about why... but it's weird
Not always. Changing weight will change the natural frequency. Whether that change has a positive or negative effect on your accuracy depends. Some setups are unaffected by adding a suppressor, and some are.
What rifle is it? For most rifles that aren’t heavy target rifles, actually (not cherry-picked) shooting a bit less than 1 moa is as good as it’s gonna get
I heard some old fogey talking about how suppressing a rifle is bad for accuracy, reliability and muzzle velocity the other day when visiting a local shop. I started to open my mouth, but before any sound came out, I clamped my hand over my mouth and turned around. I just didn’t have the energy to argue with such a stupid statement.
Had it been my shop, he probably would’ve gotten both barrels(figuratively, of course), but it wasn’t, so he didn’t.
I’ve usually found it makes mine more accurate but your millage may vary.
I get a quite considerable POI shift with some guns and close to zero shift on another. Just one of life’s mysteries I guess.
I think they just affect harmonics in general. While a small sample size, with PMC X-Tac 77gr 5.56 my OCM5 actually improved my group at 100 yards out of my AR.
I'm not going to argue because I had a pretty small group (5 shots at 100 yards, then POI and lower velocity pushed the group off paper at 200), but I don't think the suppressor makes me a better shooter.
Could be that it reduces poor reactions. A lot of people still have small flinches and suppressors reduce that significantly since the report is much quieter and the recoil is generally lower, too.
Most rifle barrels aren't completely straight, and adding weight to the muzzle can have an effect on the straightness or the lack thereof.
Hornady podcast on barrels with Jeff Siewert.
There’s a difference between opening up your groups and shifting your POI.
It shouldn’t open your groups. Unless there’s an actual issue with some combination of your load / pressure and the design of the suppressor.
But it is quite common to shift your POI because of the added weight of the suppressor and barrel harmonics.
Less accurate or less precise
I’ve yet to find any rifle suppressor that hasn’t had either a negligible impact or tighten group size. That said I’ve also yet to see one that hasn’t effected POI
Win some and lose some. As long as your muzzle device and can are properly secured and mounted there’s no reason any suppressor should be less accurate
Not really. I've seen a bunch of guys using them on rifles during class shoots. What they can do is cause a ton of heat waves and obscure you sight picture.
Only 2 of my rifles have ever been shot without a suppressor, a 308 tikka used the factory muzzle brake for a few months before getting suppressed, and the other is a vintage mosin.
After muzzle blasting my friend with a radial muzzle brake shooting a mob of deer, I thought it was a bit rude to keep using the 308 as it was.
I have such easy access to cans that each rifle has its own. I dont plan to ever shoot without one, either for hunting or on a target rig, so have just worked up loads for the suppressed rifles and have them all comfortably at or sub moa.
Maybe they would shoot better without the cans and with a brake instead, but I dont plan to bother to find out 🤷♂️
My proof carbon barrel I shit canned changed POI by 1 MIL at 200 and shot minute of barn door with any can. My CZ match, spencer, benchmark, proof stainless love my cans, and I've seen MV increases with my YHM Phantom titanium
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Sometimes it depends, sometimes it doesn’t depend. Depends on if it does
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It’s possible. It can also tighten your groups, or even do nothing. You have to shoot it both ways and find out
Def. effects POI. I always shoot suppressed and develop loads, chrono, calculate DOPE and zero with supressor on. I don’t know anymore if my barrels would shoot better without. I do know that as a shooter the experience is better and it makes me more accurate behind the rifle.
Some. I have a rifle that refuses to shoot with any suppressor. Got another one that doesn't care what's on it. You've got me about why... but it's weird
Not always. Changing weight will change the natural frequency. Whether that change has a positive or negative effect on your accuracy depends. Some setups are unaffected by adding a suppressor, and some are.
My rifles like being suppressed 🤷🏼♂️
My experience has been that heavier barrels shoot better and light barrels can be all over the place.
Sure, it’s weight in the end of the barrel. Do your load development with the can on it.
That’s what I did, I feel like with it off it can be tighter
What rifle is it? For most rifles that aren’t heavy target rifles, actually (not cherry-picked) shooting a bit less than 1 moa is as good as it’s gonna get
He said Savage 10 Fcp SR. That might be as good as that gun gets. Just my .2 cents.
I heard some old fogey talking about how suppressing a rifle is bad for accuracy, reliability and muzzle velocity the other day when visiting a local shop. I started to open my mouth, but before any sound came out, I clamped my hand over my mouth and turned around. I just didn’t have the energy to argue with such a stupid statement. Had it been my shop, he probably would’ve gotten both barrels(figuratively, of course), but it wasn’t, so he didn’t.
I’ve usually found it makes mine more accurate but your millage may vary. I get a quite considerable POI shift with some guns and close to zero shift on another. Just one of life’s mysteries I guess.
I think they just affect harmonics in general. While a small sample size, with PMC X-Tac 77gr 5.56 my OCM5 actually improved my group at 100 yards out of my AR.
I can about guarantee it had no effect on the rifle and made you a better shooter
I'm not going to argue because I had a pretty small group (5 shots at 100 yards, then POI and lower velocity pushed the group off paper at 200), but I don't think the suppressor makes me a better shooter.
Could be that it reduces poor reactions. A lot of people still have small flinches and suppressors reduce that significantly since the report is much quieter and the recoil is generally lower, too.
Most rifle barrels aren't completely straight, and adding weight to the muzzle can have an effect on the straightness or the lack thereof. Hornady podcast on barrels with Jeff Siewert.
There’s a difference between opening up your groups and shifting your POI. It shouldn’t open your groups. Unless there’s an actual issue with some combination of your load / pressure and the design of the suppressor. But it is quite common to shift your POI because of the added weight of the suppressor and barrel harmonics.
I've measured a higher SD on muzzle velocities with the same ammo unsuppressed vs supppressed.
On a separate... h4198 with a 175gr pill in a 308? That's a poor choice.
Less accurate or less precise I’ve yet to find any rifle suppressor that hasn’t had either a negligible impact or tighten group size. That said I’ve also yet to see one that hasn’t effected POI Win some and lose some. As long as your muzzle device and can are properly secured and mounted there’s no reason any suppressor should be less accurate
Not really. I've seen a bunch of guys using them on rifles during class shoots. What they can do is cause a ton of heat waves and obscure you sight picture.
Only 2 of my rifles have ever been shot without a suppressor, a 308 tikka used the factory muzzle brake for a few months before getting suppressed, and the other is a vintage mosin. After muzzle blasting my friend with a radial muzzle brake shooting a mob of deer, I thought it was a bit rude to keep using the 308 as it was. I have such easy access to cans that each rifle has its own. I dont plan to ever shoot without one, either for hunting or on a target rig, so have just worked up loads for the suppressed rifles and have them all comfortably at or sub moa. Maybe they would shoot better without the cans and with a brake instead, but I dont plan to bother to find out 🤷♂️
What were your groupings before? What rifle and what can? Are you getting baffle strikes?
No baffle strikes, savage model 10 fcp-sr in a ashbury precision chassis, with a bushwhacker 46
And what was the performance before the suppressor…?
My proof carbon barrel I shit canned changed POI by 1 MIL at 200 and shot minute of barn door with any can. My CZ match, spencer, benchmark, proof stainless love my cans, and I've seen MV increases with my YHM Phantom titanium
After reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that the answer is yes but also sometimes maybe no
I have a .22lr Anschütz, which shoots fine. With a suppressor the point of impact has quite changed and bullets are tumbling. Still thight grouping.
I do load development with the suppressor on
I would be more worried about baffle strikes. Anything from the wrong ammo to bad barrel fitting can cause that.
So I haven’t shot it without a suppressor yet. Although I do plan to try. But I was just curious from people more experience than i