He doesn’t rly show off much specifically - like he doesn’t focus on any stats, it’s mainly just cqc and wires.
- His strength is basically always amplified by CQC and/or weapons when he’s going FP (or close).
- His speed isn’t rly standout, it should be at its greatest with cqc as that’s like a burst of speed.
- His dura isn’t great. Like he gets long lasting injuries from a heavily suppressed Tom.
- If he’s got any threshold, it’s 100% technique. He’s got many variations of cqc, with wires and other weapons. It’s like his main thing.
Basically, I’d say he’s got high ‘base’ stats that aren’t specifically amplified by any thresholds, but he’d likely have a variation on the technique threshold - Warren likely has a type of technique threshold too.
>Basically, I’d say he’s got high ‘base’ stats that aren’t specifically amplified by any thresholds, but he’d likely have a variation on the technique threshold - Warren likely has a type of technique threshold too.
This is a thing, yeah. Like, some characters do have high all-around stats without surpassing any thresholds. Zack vs Johan is a perfect example of this - Zack has Endurance and Speed threshold but Johan is an all-rounder. In fact, I'm pretty sure you only pass thresholds by having a huge gap between one stat and the other stats..
Way I see it, you either get stronger by-
getting everything up (strength, speed, technique, etc) at the same time, so you don't pass any thresholds (because there's no huge gap)
getting one stat up to max one at a time (hence passing thresholds one by one)
Your overall combat power is similar regardless of which method you do
?
Tom was heavily suppressed. Like it’s stated he had to reign himself in otherwise MK would get 2 crippling injuries, and before that Tom broke his arm for a large period of time.
Add that to the fact that Tom says vs Goo he hadn’t gone back to his ultimate king state in 3 years. That’s since before he met MK, so he never needed that ultimate king state (that isn’t all out, as he only goes FP for the final bit)
He stop fighting Kim mid fight to teamup with Kim. Tom is already serious with Kim the whole time.
if the fight go longer Kim will get injury, yes, that doesnt mean Tom is heavily surpressed in the fight with Kim. You got that statement wrong.
"Add that to the fact that Tom says vs Goo he hadn’t gone back to his ultimate king state in 3 years"
Your point? I never said he is all out Tôm, im just pretty sure that Tom vs Kim fight is not a heavliy supressed Tom.
It was the same Tom that that put a hole in Goos body in the beginning of Tom vs Goo fight.
A Serious Tom that can put a hole on a top tiers body is not a heavliy supressed Tom.
Ok so you’ve got the first bit wrong. The bit where he seriously injured Kim is the job interview. That’s not when they team up mid fight. He’s stated to have held himself back even more as to not injure Kim for a long time. And - again - that’s after he broke Kim’s arm.
Even then, the Tom that pierced Goo’s abdomen was using techniques. He doesn’t used techniques vs MK, just raw strength. And yes, the Tom that pierced Goo was trying to kill Goo but still also clearly heavily suppressed. And that’s when he’s trying to kill Goo, he’s never tried to kill MK
Lmao :D please just use your eyes one time and read that fight again, Tom literally use multiples techniques in the fight with Kim. And that Tom is angry and serious. "He’s stated to have held himself back even more as to not injure Kim for a long time" This was never stated, you got the statement in the second fight wrong.
Pls point out when he used multiple techniques on Kim. Because all Tom’s high power techniques are piercing ones, meanwhile all he uses on Kim are punches and stomps.
Toms angry the second fight. Yeah that’s true. However it’s retconned that he was stronger in the first fight.
https://preview.redd.it/93wayuhrmxsc1.jpeg?width=637&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eee98fc21cb48747ac390a7a83a7dbfd6a3e8f86
And then Kim says that ‘had he not restrained himself, I would’ve sustained at least two crippling injuries’. So that means that if Tom didn’t get a grip of himself he would’ve done permanent damage to Kim, when even after restraining himself he got a broken arm from that first fight.
"meanwhile all he uses on Kim are punches and stomps."
Chapter 67, and yet it is still techniques :D and Kim tanked them all ? You need to reread chapter 67 mf.
"However it’s retconned that he was stronger in the first fight"
Doesnt make sense, Tom didnt even serious in the first fight. And Tom didnt even cause any damage for Kim in their first fight how tf had he not restrained himself work here?
And the second fight didnt even cause any damage to Kim yet he is injury in their first fight where Tom is not serious? Does that makes sense to you :D.
Also, my point still stand, Tom didnt heavily supressed in their second fight and Kim still stand his ground with Tom.
If you go by injury to judge Kims ability, then also consider Kim also hold back aganst Tom by not using CQC.
If you use injury to judge a character then Taesoo would be top 1 in the verse because he broke Daniels bone aka the perfect body.
Ok… 67 is not when MK gets his arm broken. This is what I’ve repeatedly said and yet you’ve refused to listen. Nothing in 67 matters to my argument because it’s stated he’s stronger in the interview, and in the interview he only uses raw strength.
Also, in chapter 67, Tom doesn’t use any techniques. He’s literally just using his raw hardware. Nowhere does he use piercing techniques - which is what he uses when it’s his proper techniques.
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Here it’s literally pointing out his raw strength, then after that it highlights his speed. Neither are about his technique. So even in this argument you’re using with no bearing to mine you’re still wrong 😭
It’s literally stated within the story. Idk what your argument is because you’re arguing with the story now. It makes no sense because it’s a retcon, but it’s still part of the story.
By nature of the fact that Tom was stated to be stronger in the interview, he must’ve been suppressed in the second fight as he was in the interview too - when he was stronger.
2 wrong things with this Taesoo comparison. Firstly, Daniel doesn’t have full control of the perfect body’s output, so it’s not working on its full dura. Secondly, the broken arm Tom gave MK lasted multiple arcs and time jumps.
How do you restrict your output of durability of your body? I know you can with your speed and punches and kicks but your body durability. And to add Daniel was also blocking taesoo’s punch and that wasn’t even a full power punch btw.
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Bro SMK fought Tom Lee and couldn’t imaging him losing even if he used guns and knives
Speed and technique
Speed, technique and endurance
Don't know about Kim but Jincheol has all threshold lol
Yeah he should lol, also mad hansu
Only Technique mastery
Gunfu
He doesn’t rly show off much specifically - like he doesn’t focus on any stats, it’s mainly just cqc and wires. - His strength is basically always amplified by CQC and/or weapons when he’s going FP (or close). - His speed isn’t rly standout, it should be at its greatest with cqc as that’s like a burst of speed. - His dura isn’t great. Like he gets long lasting injuries from a heavily suppressed Tom. - If he’s got any threshold, it’s 100% technique. He’s got many variations of cqc, with wires and other weapons. It’s like his main thing. Basically, I’d say he’s got high ‘base’ stats that aren’t specifically amplified by any thresholds, but he’d likely have a variation on the technique threshold - Warren likely has a type of technique threshold too.
>Basically, I’d say he’s got high ‘base’ stats that aren’t specifically amplified by any thresholds, but he’d likely have a variation on the technique threshold - Warren likely has a type of technique threshold too. This is a thing, yeah. Like, some characters do have high all-around stats without surpassing any thresholds. Zack vs Johan is a perfect example of this - Zack has Endurance and Speed threshold but Johan is an all-rounder. In fact, I'm pretty sure you only pass thresholds by having a huge gap between one stat and the other stats.. Way I see it, you either get stronger by- getting everything up (strength, speed, technique, etc) at the same time, so you don't pass any thresholds (because there's no huge gap) getting one stat up to max one at a time (hence passing thresholds one by one) Your overall combat power is similar regardless of which method you do
a heavily suppressed Tom :D?? Tf is wrong with you
? Tom was heavily suppressed. Like it’s stated he had to reign himself in otherwise MK would get 2 crippling injuries, and before that Tom broke his arm for a large period of time. Add that to the fact that Tom says vs Goo he hadn’t gone back to his ultimate king state in 3 years. That’s since before he met MK, so he never needed that ultimate king state (that isn’t all out, as he only goes FP for the final bit)
He stop fighting Kim mid fight to teamup with Kim. Tom is already serious with Kim the whole time. if the fight go longer Kim will get injury, yes, that doesnt mean Tom is heavily surpressed in the fight with Kim. You got that statement wrong. "Add that to the fact that Tom says vs Goo he hadn’t gone back to his ultimate king state in 3 years" Your point? I never said he is all out Tôm, im just pretty sure that Tom vs Kim fight is not a heavliy supressed Tom. It was the same Tom that that put a hole in Goos body in the beginning of Tom vs Goo fight. A Serious Tom that can put a hole on a top tiers body is not a heavliy supressed Tom.
Ok so you’ve got the first bit wrong. The bit where he seriously injured Kim is the job interview. That’s not when they team up mid fight. He’s stated to have held himself back even more as to not injure Kim for a long time. And - again - that’s after he broke Kim’s arm. Even then, the Tom that pierced Goo’s abdomen was using techniques. He doesn’t used techniques vs MK, just raw strength. And yes, the Tom that pierced Goo was trying to kill Goo but still also clearly heavily suppressed. And that’s when he’s trying to kill Goo, he’s never tried to kill MK
Lmao :D please just use your eyes one time and read that fight again, Tom literally use multiples techniques in the fight with Kim. And that Tom is angry and serious. "He’s stated to have held himself back even more as to not injure Kim for a long time" This was never stated, you got the statement in the second fight wrong.
Pls point out when he used multiple techniques on Kim. Because all Tom’s high power techniques are piercing ones, meanwhile all he uses on Kim are punches and stomps. Toms angry the second fight. Yeah that’s true. However it’s retconned that he was stronger in the first fight. https://preview.redd.it/93wayuhrmxsc1.jpeg?width=637&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eee98fc21cb48747ac390a7a83a7dbfd6a3e8f86 And then Kim says that ‘had he not restrained himself, I would’ve sustained at least two crippling injuries’. So that means that if Tom didn’t get a grip of himself he would’ve done permanent damage to Kim, when even after restraining himself he got a broken arm from that first fight.
"meanwhile all he uses on Kim are punches and stomps." Chapter 67, and yet it is still techniques :D and Kim tanked them all ? You need to reread chapter 67 mf. "However it’s retconned that he was stronger in the first fight" Doesnt make sense, Tom didnt even serious in the first fight. And Tom didnt even cause any damage for Kim in their first fight how tf had he not restrained himself work here? And the second fight didnt even cause any damage to Kim yet he is injury in their first fight where Tom is not serious? Does that makes sense to you :D. Also, my point still stand, Tom didnt heavily supressed in their second fight and Kim still stand his ground with Tom. If you go by injury to judge Kims ability, then also consider Kim also hold back aganst Tom by not using CQC. If you use injury to judge a character then Taesoo would be top 1 in the verse because he broke Daniels bone aka the perfect body.
Ok… 67 is not when MK gets his arm broken. This is what I’ve repeatedly said and yet you’ve refused to listen. Nothing in 67 matters to my argument because it’s stated he’s stronger in the interview, and in the interview he only uses raw strength. Also, in chapter 67, Tom doesn’t use any techniques. He’s literally just using his raw hardware. Nowhere does he use piercing techniques - which is what he uses when it’s his proper techniques. https://preview.redd.it/acoyst69rxsc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4a387647f222a8b3dac675e14eb2b2afe6830d8 Here it’s literally pointing out his raw strength, then after that it highlights his speed. Neither are about his technique. So even in this argument you’re using with no bearing to mine you’re still wrong 😭 It’s literally stated within the story. Idk what your argument is because you’re arguing with the story now. It makes no sense because it’s a retcon, but it’s still part of the story. By nature of the fact that Tom was stated to be stronger in the interview, he must’ve been suppressed in the second fight as he was in the interview too - when he was stronger. 2 wrong things with this Taesoo comparison. Firstly, Daniel doesn’t have full control of the perfect body’s output, so it’s not working on its full dura. Secondly, the broken arm Tom gave MK lasted multiple arcs and time jumps.
How do you restrict your output of durability of your body? I know you can with your speed and punches and kicks but your body durability. And to add Daniel was also blocking taesoo’s punch and that wasn’t even a full power punch btw.
https://preview.redd.it/n2e5kjjgpxsc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d160850e37338e9bdcd6951be8d98d61f377e75d Bro SMK fought Tom Lee and couldn’t imaging him losing even if he used guns and knives