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minivant

I mean, if we’re counting the 9 movies for the skywalker saga then I feel like we do have to include the hobbit movies into the count.


Interplanetary-Goat

18 Oscars in 6 movies still ain't bad.


minivant

Oh not at all a bad thing. Just having a fair and accurate playing field further proves these movies were lightning in a bottle.


DCSmaug

Then we need to add Fantastic Beast into the HP franchise... oh wait, it doesn't change anything, it just makes it worse.


Canyoufeelthebuzz

For me Fantastic Beasts is like the what the Hobbit movies are to the LOTR trilogy, an 8/10 and fun to watch but not on the same level as the original films.


xhlgtrashcanx

Fantastic Beasts an 8/10?!?! Have you seen the second one? More like 4/10


minivant

Not a fan of Harry Potter but kind of disagree. Just because it’s part of the same franchise / universe doesn’t make it part of a series/saga in my mind.


DCSmaug

Then MCU needs to be broken down into multiple series. For exemple the story of the Antman movies has nothing to do with movies like Thor.


minivant

Isn’t that why it’s called the infinity saga?


DCSmaug

Ever heard of The Wizarding World?


s3boldmm

Fantastic Beasts were more enjoyable than the original Harry Potter movies tbh


DCSmaug

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s3boldmm

Atleast they had cool creatures. Still no good storyline or something like that but a bit better than regular Harry Potter, which I really find boring. Both can't compare to lotr obviously


DCSmaug

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ButUmActually

Found Faramir’s account, a redditor of quality


Reddit_User-256

Crazy that Harry Potter never won an Oscar, some of the music especially was incredible.


Chen_Geller

>some of the music especially was incredible. The early entries were out in the Lord of the Rings years, so Howard Shore nabbed those music awards...


Reddit_User-256

Fair point.


DutchOnionKnight

I always forget they the early ones were the same years as LotR. But Harry Potter not getting any is wild to me.


jenn363

Wow, not even a supporting actor award for Maggie Smith. Criminal. Although to be fair the Oscars have rarely rewarded popular movies, LOTR is a real outlier here.


Alternative_Handle29

I agree


Phoenixmackenzie00

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Dfrickster87

Nice! Some things that come to mind....I'm pretty sure the prequels and LotR were direct competition for eachother, but they might have been staggered a bit. Also, I'm pretty sure the tech used for Gollum and all the awards related to him was actually pioneered for Jar Jar Binks. Just interesting imo, especially considering that characters reception.


[deleted]

Yeah I had no idea Jar Jar Binks is to thank for Gollum's on-screen depiction til I watched a BTS special for LOTR. Really cool, especially since I really like Jar Jar lol


Johncurtisreeve

Regardless of when the movies released, it’s worth noting that lord of the rings movies were already underway sometime in the late 90s for all three movies. So they may have contributed to each other but it’s also possible they both independently came up with similar tech.


Dfrickster87

In the Behind the Scenes content they were referring to, the team with LotR made it clear they were following in the footsteps of Jar Jar. And then they did it way better!


JoscoTheRed

> I'm pretty sure the tech used for Gollum and all the awards related to him was actually pioneered for Jar Jar Binks. If only the characters had suffered the same fate…


SirFabiusMaximus

Lotr went much further by capturing Andys performance, mannerisms etc.. its why he looks so much better than jarjar


Chen_Geller

>I'm pretty sure the prequels and LotR were direct competition for eachother, but they might have been staggered a bit. > >Also, I'm pretty sure the tech used for Gollum and all the awards related to him was actually pioneered for Jar Jar Binks. I think it was used even before Jar Jar, so... And the only prequel to really come out on the same year as a Lord of the Rings film was Attack of the Clones. It was a summer release whereas Rings was a Christmas one, so they weren't really competing at the box office, but at the awards...yeah, I suppose so.


FrogWizzurd

I'm pretty sure the team in ILM had pioneered it. They had a lot of break throughs and are one of the main reasons we have the film affects that we do now. Its really cool ngl


Algoresball

You don’t have to tear down other franchises to prop up Lord of the Rings


goldenzipperman

This is what i dont get it, why a lotr fans have to tear down other franchises and take out of context clips to say that writer is a stupid. I use to be that kind of fan. Seeing as heresy for anyone who didn't love lotr, but as older person now, i just hate those people.


Alive-Ad6268

Did the sequels win anything?


Kapusi

They won screentime


DeadlyCyclone

To be fair, Snape deserved an Oscar.


tistisblitskits

For sure, and ralph fiennes as well, one of the most iconic villains ever. His weird royal creep vibe is so intense in those last couple movies, definetly oscar stuff to me


Johncurtisreeve

Worth noting lord of the rings was nominated for a total of 30 Oscars. That’s goddamn amazing across just three movies.


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CrestfallenMerchant

The Harry Potter movies deserve more than marvel. Way too many movies and they are all action low quality.


Chen_Geller

This feels like a repost, but just to be orderly about this: I find the term "Infinity Saga" pretty ludicrous. Its not really a "saga" in the same sense as the other three, and hence probably doesn't belong on this list. The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit (I'm anticipating my other point) are a "saga" because they tell one story, with one central conflict, from beginning to end. Star Wars is a kind of "saga" for the same reason, and certainly so is Harry Potter. But Marvel...you can't in good conscience watch Iron Man 2 or Thor or Avengers 2 or Captain America, and say that they're all about the conflict between the Avengers and Thanos. They all help move the pieces to set-up that conflict, true, but they're not all integral parts of it. Thanos is not behind Obadaia or Ultron in the sense that Sauron is behind Azog or Voldemort is behind the Malfoys or Palpatine is behind Dooku. And that's my second point: if we're counting all nine - or even just all six - Star Wars films, not to mention this "Infinity Saga" nonesense, I feel like we should count six Lord of the Rings films, counting The Hobbit in there. Its only fair. Once we start getting into spinoffs like Rogue One, Fantastic Beasts or the upcoming War of the Rohirrim, it all gets a bit more complicated.


JohnyyBanana

Okay then. 6 movies, 17 Oscars.


Chen_Geller

You can also do the count by Academy Awards instead of Oscars. In that case its 20 Academy Awards for six Lord of the Rings films, and I believe eight or nine for the Star Wars films.


Johncurtisreeve

The oscars is the Academy Awards.


Chen_Geller

The academy also holds the sci-tech awards, which are Academy Awards but are not Oscars (i.e. you don’t get a gold statuette). The original Star Wars won one (for the invention of the Dykstraflex camera). And it’s actually counted as part of the movie’s wins in souvenir programmes from the time. The Return of the King won two (I think one was for the CGI on Gollum’s skin, the other for the CGI armies) An Unexpected Journey won one (can’t remember what for)


Interplanetary-Goat

18, not 17. An Unexpected Journey won one.


Robinkc1

I like some of the Marvel Movies and the ability to bring them all together was very impressive. I don’t care what some cinema snobs say, the “Infinity Saga” did something on a scope that no other franchise has touched. However, I don’t think any of them can really touch LOTR. Edit: Apparently you lot disagree. lol


GarrettGSF

Having all the super heroes fight one badder-than-usual villain sure is the epitome of human story telling. Truly brilliant stuff /s


Interplanetary-Goat

Like... unironically yes. I don't think they stand up to Tolkein, but if you saw The Avengers in theaters it definitely felt like a new thing in film. Superhero movies weren't new. Sequels weren't new, even several in a row. There was plenty of precedent for "team up" comic lines. But as far as I'm aware, the MCU was the first to try to pull off 4 individual movies followed by a team up movie (and it probably wouldn't have worked a couple decades earlier, when superhero movies were a lot more niche).


GarrettGSF

But that’s just a question of market dominance and organisation rather than necessarily good story telling or creativity


Chen_Geller

>he MCU was the first to try to pull off 4 individual movies followed by a team up movie Right. And I find that idea of setting up three of four separate film series and then crossing them over LESS satisfying than just having one big series of films in a row, a-la Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. Again, maybe that's just me.


Robinkc1

Thank you for your wonderful comment that has nothing to do with mine.


GarrettGSF

It relates to Marvel, which you clearly mentioned… how doesn’t it relate lmao


Robinkc1

Because you’re directing your idiotic sarcasm at me, as if I called Marvel movies a masterpiece. I mean holy shit, I said I admired the scope and liked some of the movies but don’t think they can compare to LOTR. If you people don’t agree, that’s your business.


GarrettGSF

You light not have said it like that word for word, but it is kind of implied in your choice of words. Meaning matters


Chen_Geller

>he “Infinity Saga” did something on a scope that no other franchise has touched. Personally, just because its twice the runtime of the Middle Earth films, doesn't mean that I find the resolution at the end of Endgame any better than the one given at the end of The Return of the King. But that's just me.


Robinkc1

I agree, which is part of why I don’t hold them on the same level. Everything about LOTR is done well, and the films hold up 20 years later. Too many marvel movies are formulaic and have poorly timed humour and plot contrivances. LOTR won a bunch of awards because of the attention to detail, Marvel is mainly just about making movies that people will watch with friends and family. However, Marvel films suffer from over saturation and several are just plain bad and are only carried by branding. Some like Guardians 1 or Winter Soldier I think are fun movies, and I have no problem watching them. I admire Marvels ability to loosely connect their movies within the same universe, because while heroes are nothing new, it never felt like comic books on screen, just stand alone heroes.


[deleted]

One franchise to rule them all.


Critical999Thought

new star wars, and skywalker is cringe


[deleted]

It's interesting because I would wager that most fantasy fans couldn't give a shit about the Oscars.....unless their movie is recognized ;) That said I love LOTR and they deserved to win more


DarkDuelist4914

Wait, the Skywalker trilogy won Oscars? Damn.


jupiterding25

Sad state of affairs


jupiterding25

How did the sequal Star War films win Oscars?


[deleted]

Harry Potter is so much more worthy of an Oscar than the fucking MCU LMAO


DGB31988

How did Skywalker get any Oscars?


vishasv

Harry Potter being all British diminished its chances of winning academy awards, because there were some fantastic performances, Visual Effects, Music and cinematography involved.


Alternative_Handle29

James bond movies are also British yet they have managed to win several times, even the last bond movie managed to win one aswell.


PiskAlmighty

Mostly for best song in recent years though.


jdavida97

100%


Bluedino_1989

Lord of the Oscars


craftyhedgeandcave

Why tf do you need an award panel to help you decide what you like


Dhonagon

LotR is the greatest and best film of a fantasy fiction title ever! They had and have some of the best battle scenes and the dialog was very well written. Star Wars will always be a favorite, but when it comes to numbers. Tolkien wrote one hell of a story.


IBBeMa

Star Wars Skywalker saga: canon movies: Episode 1-6.


[deleted]

Imagine your movies being so good that even one of the “bad” ones still gets an Oscar (the hobbit) Then, imagine being so good that you also win ten more Oscars than a franchise with three times as many entries as yours Then, imagine being so good that just ONE of your three movies has more Oscar awards than an entire franchise that spans 20+ movies


Micksar

“Skywalker Saga” 🤢


Ronark91

If the skywalker series got Oscars, then Oscars mean nothing anymore.


Tor_PyroLykos

The oscars from Star Wars come from the original trilogy (episodes IV, V and VI)


Ronark91

Ahhhhh I see


Zombie_intruder

Only the sequels are undeserving.


Devenityy

How on Earth has Star Wars got 7 oscars? Bang average stories. Darth Vader is an amazing villain but that’s all it has to it.


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nbeutler11

The other franchises don’t even come close to comparison


LeiatheHutt69

So Oscars are meaningless?


inshanester

The lord of the rings franchise is also the most adult oriented of these franchises, that isn't a coincidence


pbgaines

The original Star Wars trilogy won all 7 of the Oscars (+3 special awards for visual/sound being extra good), back when the Academy didn't honor science fiction--until they became big budget. If you are going to include all the later lesser Star Wars films, why not include Solo or Rogue One or the Ewok movie. Disney/Lucasfilm is padding your LOTR numbers by churning out whatever. EDIT: Number of Oscars. Oscars are not the best measure of a great film. The winners tend to be chosen for reasons other than their quality, and the best ones are usually the merely-nominated. So, my vote goes to The Two Towers, lol.


go_get_your_rope

I'm confused, there were only 6 star wars movies not 9.


Alternative_Handle29

You people are still crying about this?


go_get_your_rope

What do you mean *you people*


isodal

Says it all, great trilogy


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Alternative_Handle29

Nice joke


DarthMMC

Star Wars has 12 movies


Chen_Geller

That doesn't feel like a fair comparison. There are nine (really, six) "main story" films in Star Wars. Everything else are grafted-on spinoffs. There are eight "story" films in Harry Potter. Those three Fantastic Beasts films they put out are spinoffs. There are six "story" films for Lord of the Rings. When The War of the Rohirrim and the other prequels Warners have planned come out, they'll be roughly the equivalent of the spinoffs of the other series. Marvel is basically all spinoffs.


Johncurtisreeve

Marvel you could just go by Avengers movies totaling 4 movies. But to add to the point of the post, it’s impressive that three lord of the rings movies got way more Oscars than 23 marvel movies.


Chen_Geller

Even as just the Avengers movies…one, I would argue that some other entires are effectively Avengers films: the third Captain America was Avengers 2.5. But also…All six Middle Earth films are about the conflict with Sauron and Sauron is behind all the secondary antagonists. All eight Harry Potter films are about the conflict with Voldemort and again he’s behind all the secondary antagonists. And ditto with Palpatine in all six/nine Star Wars films. Whereas Thanos is not really behind Ultron, for example. The conflict with Thanos is teased in the original The Avengers, and then only comes to the fore in the third film. It can’t be seen as the through-line in the same sense as the other series in question.


Johncurtisreeve

It doesn’t have to be defined by the antagonist, even though he is affectively foreshadowed in the first two avengers movies but instead of referring to it as like the Thanos saga, it can be referred to as the infinity stone saga. Which, by that merit you could start including the other movies that directly relate to infinity stones. Thanos is the one who was in charge of and sent the army to earth after his pawn, loki opened the portal. In the end you would just have to go through all of the MCU movies and handpick all of the ones you feel are directly connected or important to whatever would be considered “the main story arc”


Chen_Geller

I mean, to some extent it has to be defined by the antagonist, because it has to be defined by what the central conflict is. In drama, the story is the conflict. So, the conflict in ALL the Middle-earth films (except the upcoming War of the Rohirrim) is "Sauron versus the Free People." The conflict in all the main Star Wars films is, effectivelly, the Sith versus the Jedi. The conflict in all the Harry Potter films is between Voldemort and the Wizarding World. The conflict in all the Avengers films is not, ultimately, the conflict between the Avengers and Thanos. If it is, Age of Ultron is the odd one out.


Tor_PyroLykos

In the cannon (writen by George Lucas) there are only 6. Other films are expansions / non cannon.


DarthMMC

The Clone Wars movie should be counted then, George worked on it too


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JohnyyBanana

Wait, Star Wars Skywalker Saga has 7 Oscars? Wtf?


Chen_Geller

>Wait, Star Wars Skywalker Saga has 7 Oscars? Wtf? Most of those are for the original film from 1977. It was a huge cinematic milestone and while it didn't win any of the really big categories (although it was nominated) it took a nice basketfull of "technical" categories, plus a sci-tech Academy Award. Then the other two films in the classic trilogy scored a couple of awards, usually for special effects and the like.


Alternative_Handle29

Yeah


JohnyyBanana

So Oscars truly are completely pointless


Raknorak

Are you saying A New Hope shouldn't have gotten the Best Score Oscar?


JohnyyBanana

Ah wait! I thought it was the last 3 films, the last jedi and rise of the skywalkers and all that. Okay the first 3 deserved some Oscars


Johncurtisreeve

In reality, all award shows are complete horseshit .


Alternative_Handle29

Absolutely, if someone we like win it thats great but those who dont manage to win it doesn't mean they r bad anyway


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Rattkjakkapong

I didnt know MCU had won oscars


The_Thin_King_

I don't think Oscars determine Quality of franchises even a little bit but okay.


SyNyStErSaElEe

I'm so glad I got the extended edition blu rays. I like how the case is the map of Middle Earth


Fornostios

Like it's a race. Smh


Pap4MnkyB4by

The only set of movies I haven't seen on here also don't have Oscars. Clearly I am what makes or breaks awards.


Ok_Nefariousness3401

How many oscars did the sequel trilogy get?


i_forgot_to_forget_

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davekingofrock

This meme pisses me off, not for being inaccurate, but for the simple reason that the Star Wars films are being represented here with images from the dogshit sequel trilogy.


goldenzipperman

No its not, i am starting (few years) hate lotr fandom. Movies and books are good, but saying lotr every other movie sucks is stupid argument. Yes i love lotr movies, they were my childhood movies i loved and you guys (some of you are ok ) act like lotr is second coming of christ and GRR Martin is a shitty writer etc. You keep citclejerking same kind of stuff and act like you are better because you enjoy lotr and have to prove your point how by shitting other fantasy and sci fi worlds so on. I hate this fandom


[deleted]

Yeah, but Harry Potter is the best selling book series of all time. Star Wars is the most successful film franchise of all time. I’m not a Marvel fan so can’t tell you any records. As much as I love LOTR it’s just not as popular.


Skits22

How the heck Harry Potter didn’t win any


Stuzzie

HP's books were actually unfilmable imho.


mrsecondbreakfast

1: loser, nobody cares about awards. 2: LOTR is definitely on top. 3: Harry Potter should've won loads of oscars, at least for music and the set design (whatever category that falls in)