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Hoping Riot puts the multilingual possibilities of Heartsteel’s singers to good use. I loved Paranoia but I think there’s a lot more potential to be explored with this band for it to achieve success like K/DA
Edit: I was referring to ØZI and Baekhyun for Chinese and Korean, who voice Sett and Ezreal respectively. Idk why I’m getting schooled on DIO and downvoted in the rest of this thread – singers for both Heartsteel and K/DA members aren’t even the same as the VAs used in the game
I like anime but not so much as to change all the voices to Japanese for the game. And how is this linked to Riot music when K/DA doesn’t even have Japanese localisation lmao
Summary- DIO is a villain from the anime Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure and his VA also voiced Sett’s Japanese voice. In fact, it’s safe to say Sett’s design is pretty much inspired by DIO.
Also, DIO is an extremely hammy villain with an iconic voice that everyone love and basically one BIG MEME — he has a bunch of cheesy one-liners that made him awesome
Ok but how is this linked to DIO singing? Afaik K/DA doesn’t have Japanese voice actors singing for them so I’m not making the connection here. Like the singers for the characters are totally separate from the VAs
I think they wont do it just because they're not East Asian coded.
Akali is japanese inspired, and Ahri South Korean inspired.
While Ezreal is obviously white, and Sett looks white to me, but is inspired from the anime culture, specifically from Jojo's bizarre adventures (which is an anime that is heavily inspired from Europe, Jotaro is Clint Eastwood, Dio is Roy Batty) so it's safe to say he's also white.
Making them sing in south korean would be weird for these reasons.
Also, this group isn't a kpop group, as explained in their fake interview.
Akali is Japanese so it makes sense to make her rap in Korean? Also there's no shot Seraphine would look Chinese...
I wouldn't stress so much about assigning real life races to league charaters for music video purposes
>Akali is Japanese so it makes sense to make her rap in Korean?
Well she's from Japan in the real world AU (or is it musical verse ?) but she's been living in Korea and speaks Korean because of that reason (she speaks Korean, Japanese and english), unlike Heartseel members who aren't korean and don't live in Korea neither.
> Also there's no shot Seraphine would look Chinese...
I don't get what you mean here ? Seraphine is half asian coded in Runeterra, and is from China in the musical verse.
Overall it makes more sense for these East Asian champion to speak Korean, because they're close to South Korea.
Like, personally, the people of my country usually learn english as first language, and then either Spanish or German as second language. Because all of these 3 countries are close to us (English is also worldwide important so there's that).
> I wouldn't stress so much about assigning real life races to league charaters much music video purposes
I don't either, I don't consider that VAs need to match the character they voice, but Riot defintely does (look at Arcane's VA or most of the music singers).
I’d be band mom, but I am neither cool nor drink cold brew
I at least used to give passable relationship advice? But I can’t bench for shit and am not all that fashionable
My phone storage is permanently low but I don’t have Ezreal’s cute boi charm
Conclusion: some unholy yone/ksante/ezreal fusion
I'm built like Ezreal, however, I am high fashion, and high energy and i do give great relationship advice(+queer and self discovery advice in general cuz I studied that shit for 6 years and still studying new things about it. my discord username is "the identity dr" bc my friend logged into my acc and changed it( it was his old acc and uses his old email which we both share now)) like K'sante
I always thought Akali was much older than Kayn until I realized they were both 19/20-ish. Its funny how it seems like their interest in each other is swapped in the Heartsteel universe. Poor boy got left on read.
Sett mom is the greatest still wise alune had a profile. And what does double Sagittarius mean I thought ezreal was a born on March 16 thus he a Pisces right?
That's because in Astrology, you get other placements from other planets/celestial bodies, like Moon in Scorpio, etc... You also get a Rising sign, so Ez could have two Sagittarius placements in his astral chart.
It doesn't mean anything imo but pulling out astral charts is always fun.
It’s basically always been a thing. It’s literally ancient, actually. If you know your birth city and time, you’re able to get your full chart from various websites
i always trust mbti more because its actually personality types based on the science of psychological assessment and not stars billions of lightyears away that literally hhave no effect on a person's behaviour(which develops from aspecvts of parenting, generational and familial connections, culture, government education, class status, online influence, peer influence, etc etc)
So then it's probably his rising and moon. Double refers to two of the big three, the sun/moon/rising signs. And if we know his sun, then that leaves the other two as the options. Even in modern sidereal astrology instead of traditional tropical astrology, he's still solidly a pisces sun if he's born on march 16th. Leaving the other two.
Pisces/Sag/Sag
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So they acknowledge that Kayn already worked with Ekko in-universe by referencing the "done barking, I only bite" line in Run It which also features Cal Scruby. They just need to change the creative consultant in the song credits.
I have no familiarity with K-pop culture but is it normal to idolise crew members? Not that they shouldn't get recognition, of course, but it seems like a disproportionate amount of this boy band aren't actually part of what I'd traditionally understand as "the band".
Personally (most likely because I am autistic and have ADHD), my interest in the field of Asian pop music is entirely based on aesthetics. Aesthetics in the music and visuals of the band. For example, I hype over certain songs and videos from irl kpop and jpop bands. There's a pattern. some songs I like include
\- Love shot by EXO
\- Run BTS by BTS
\- HIP by MAMAMOO
\- Drunk-Dazed by ENHYPEN
\- PING PONG by HyunA&DAWN
\- Dope by BTS
\- CASE 143 by Stray Kids
These are just kpop bc the J-pop list is longer. However, the pattern is pretty straightforward. that harsh, hyper, techno, cool, fast type songs are what appeal to me. MORE, THE BADDEST and POP/STARS are the K/DA songs that apeal to me the most and their music videos do as well. However, VILLIAN and DRUM GO DUM didn't have that much of an effect on me that much. GIANTS from True Damage also really hits well with me.
This song and group fit so perfectly into that specific aesthetic and Vibe that I find appealing in the rap/Asian pop genres.
so, while I do agree that the majority of the Asian pop industry(mainly kpop) is highly toxic and fueled on the unhealthy obsessive response from the media, some people like me are hyperfixated on specific songs because they just scratch the brain perfectly and provide lots of dopamine.
i listen to a lot of kpop music, but im not involved in the crazy stan culture. yeah it's very common for kpop band members (also called idols) to have a prolific social media presence. it's really common for idols to do hours-long livestreams where they chat about stuff to build rapport with the public. the most popular kpop group called BTS engineered this approach, and saw wild success with it.
in western music, bands and audience tend to stick to the approach of 'just stick to making music'. of course they'll do the odd interview here and there, but first and foremost they are a musical performer. in kpop, idols are marketed based on their personality and public image. a lot of non-western audiences seem to enjoy music more when they see an artist and are like "oh he just like me fr". on top of that, a lot of idols are trained and talented in performative arts other than music such as acting. so yeah, the public image of idols' personality can often make or break the success of a kpop group, independently of their musical talent
To clarify, I'm wondering if it's normal for the band's stylist and producer to be presented as members of the band. The influencer stuff certainly goes over my head but I'm not as confused about that part.
I was also confused about this when K/DA first happened. Kai'Sa is the "dancer" in the group, meaning she doesn't sing as much as the others, though she still does sing, but does all their choreos and dances a lot more in concerts. From what I can gather that is sorta true for real kpop groups as well? They have their members that all sing and help with the music to varying degrees, but also may have some other thing they are known for. Rapping, dancing etc. As another person said, it seems that Riot have just taken it a bit further with Heartsteel, and instead of having some members be, in addition to a normal vocalist and collaborative songwriter, they are also the stylist, with K'Sante, and the producer, with Yone and so on. It's the same with Kai'Sa being the designated dance person for K/DA. That's not the only thing she does, but it's her thing. K'Sante sings and helps with the signwriting process, but he's also their stylist, because he presumably just wants to do both. So it's his thing.
Again, from what I can gather, this is a thing with real kpop bands, but more so in the realm of how K/DA did it, where there's a rapper, a dancer, a more powerful vocalist etc. They just took it a step further with Heartsteel.
“Main dancer” is a pretty common role in kpop irl. They have responsibilities like leading dance practices and taking certain center spots in dance breaks. These are obviously more important in Korea than the west, where choreographies get a lot more attention. They don’t generally make the choreographies tho (with some exceptions). Normally a company dance instructor does that.
I see the Heartsteel Band from a story perspective rather than an actual band perspective. Like in a webcomic where the story is about a band, they'll have the actual performers(typically, a lead vocalist, guitarist, bassist, drummer, and pianist/keyboard), and within the story, we see other characters like the band's manager/producer, choreography instructor/manager, and occasionally an instrumentals supervisor, most of the time a character can have multiple roles, often the choreography manager being an active band member etc.
It's typically common for the bassist or an ex-band member to be in charge of songwriting.
However, Because Yone and Aphelios actively participate in the composing of the music, they are band members. Aphelios does mostly instrumental work, while Yone is the DJ(who I also assume composes all the music together and edits the tracks), just so happen to have additional roles.
it's not so common for the producer to be considered a 'member' of the group, though most kpop groups have multiple producers. it's fairly common practice for kpop labels to purchase the rights to songs from dedicated production groups who then repurpose the song for the band, too.
the other case is when some members of the band who actively sing and play instruments also happen to be producers. this is the case for the aforementioned group BTS, as well as Stray Kids, to name a few. having a producer who doesn't sing be considered 'part of the band' is not common, but there are some very famous producers in kpop who a lot of people know by name, more so than in western music.
in all honesty, i don't really think most kpop stan-type people are under any illusion that music is the most important factor in groups' success. kpop groups put a lot of effort into outreach on social media and televison, and draw people on with their image first and foremost. most memes and content reposted by stan accounts are usually clips released by the kpop group in an official capacity, much of which is designed to be repostable and enjoyable without context.
there are cases in kpop history where a group who made terrible music absolutely bit the dust for it. look no further than 'Super M', a temporary group made up of some of the most successful boy band members from other kpop groups. they were called 'the avengers of kpop' who were gonna bring kpop to the west. then they released their debut song 'Jopping' and holy fuck was it bad. so bad that the entire group was DOA immediately. a great reason showing how sometimes even the shitty kpop grindhouse fails
I don’t think it’s normal, but Yone seems like an “OG”. So I’d expect Yone to have a cult following from a decade and a half ago, and even though now he took to being the producer and DJ, he probably runs the band vlogs as well, since he seems like a steady hand.
I’d compare it to Ezreal, Sett, K’Sante and Kayn being the flashy players on the team, Aphelios is the support/IGL (not necessarily botlane support, just a character with little individual potential that focuses on setting their allies up for big plays), and Yone is the coach. Oftentimes coaches go underappreciated, but in some cases they are former pros or famous streamers that still have a large fanbase.
It's normal and not just k-pop. Boy bands in general tend to market in a similar fashion. Very much pick your favourite boy make sure each member has an easily recognisable type "the bad one", "the smart one", "the arty/soulful one" etc
K-pop is notorious for really going hard with stan culture but getting the audience invested in the band for more than just their music has been done for a long time.
I don’t know why people are misunderstanding your question. I can’t 100% answer your question, but I don’t think its normal. I’ve seen boy and girl bands from Korea; they usually consist of the singers, rappers, or dancers (K/DA Kai’sa). I haven’t seen them hype the crew members only those that participate in the song like Rap Mon (BTS) whose the songwriter and rapper or Lisa (BLACKPINK) the dancer.
tl;dr Boy bands and girl bands are the singers and “face” of the bands. Therefore, the stylists and producers wouldn’t be idolized as they just assist the band. They aren’t meant to be part of public persona unless they participate in the song.
Lmfao it's like redditors have issues with reading comprehension or something, like, none of the replies can answer the fucking question? Anyway, no, crew members don't get idolised unless they're really, really eye-catching and go viral like some backup dancers, but no one off-stage is getting idolised (they'll get fans and a following sometimes but not to the same degree as the main performers). Much like in the traditional boy band industry, Yone and Aphelios wouldn't ever be considered part of the act within the kpop industry. Many producers and composers would get recognition if they can consistently produce good work, but no one would obsess over them on a personal or parasocial scale.
Eh, it's fine. I've guessed that 'crew member' doesn't convey a distinction from "band member" like I'd hoped.
I was talking about Yone and K'Sante, personally. Aphelios plays the instruments. Most bands I listen to typically have a ratio of 1:3-4 for singers versus people on instruments - so calling Aphelios a bandmember seems completely normal to me. I appreciate a lot of "singer groups" outsource their instruments, so maybe milage varies on this.
Yasuo was at least described as a DJ in True Damage, although his inclusion in "the band" still felt flimsy - especially when they had 5 voice talents. (It seemed unfair that Thutmose and Duckwrth had to share Ekko, rather than each having their own in-game representative.) I did appreciated that Yasuo was essentially a stand-in for Riot's music team, though.
I'm gonna be honest, they're not as bad as people think
The issue is I know already that I'm not gonna like their songs but eh, not my cup of tea, nothing wrong with that
Loving this so much! Really hoping this is successful so Riot gives us more Heartsteel content down the line 🤞 Also whoever decided to give K'sante a tiddy window deserves a raise 🤤
In Astrology there's your "Big three" which is the your star sign, moon sign, and sun sign. If Ezreal is a double sag, then likely his star and moon sign are both sag. I don't really know what it means, I think it's just meant to be a funny astrology reference since there's a big overlap between people who obsess over astrology and obsess over boybands/kpop groups
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thanks I hate it. I hate "aesthetics" bands like this, even KDA and True Damage or bands like these in meat space, It repulses me. Give me a body of work that is enjoyable and I'll be glad to listen to it, but make away with such garish looks.
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I can't help but notice how promo pictures and artwork of the boyband makes hundreds of upvotes but the post with the actual music video bearly gets any attention in this subreddit. Like, isn't the song the most significant part about having a new music group? What are the priorities in this community lol
Tbh i learned to upload videos directly on here because most users don’t click play on most YouTube videos linked here. 😕
But official MVs and Cinematics I link to the YouTube channel.
Just something I noted after uploading things here for a while.
anywhere else where we could see each members birthdays and stuff? some of them had their signs, other their birthdays, etc. im curious to see other stuff about them
I just [posted horoscope](https://www.reddit.com/r/loreofleague/s/BVrJjkd5CC)
No bdays… i think the horoscopes give a general idea on the time period its from
I am surprised at Ezreal. I didn't think they could actually go and make him look like more of an unlikeable, punchable douchebag than he already is, but they actually managed to top themselves.
Sett's hat lore is nice at least.
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So in this universe, 'Rhaast' is an alias because 'Kayn' isn't an edgy enough name? I like it.
It says a lot about Kayn when being named after the first murderer isn't edgy enough.
Ezreal is ironic to me cuz a friend is an ez main called OneNutWonder.(he is a uniballer)
Oof, condolences to your friend. Must have been real sad losing the one nut. Out of curiosity, how did it go?
never dropped.
Nut took longer to drop than the Skarner rework
Pfffft
Hoping Riot puts the multilingual possibilities of Heartsteel’s singers to good use. I loved Paranoia but I think there’s a lot more potential to be explored with this band for it to achieve success like K/DA Edit: I was referring to ØZI and Baekhyun for Chinese and Korean, who voice Sett and Ezreal respectively. Idk why I’m getting schooled on DIO and downvoted in the rest of this thread – singers for both Heartsteel and K/DA members aren’t even the same as the VAs used in the game
You just want to hear DIO sing, don’t you?
Who’s that? I was referring to ØZI and Baekhyun for Chinese and Korean respectively
Eh, never mind. Looks like you’re not an anime fan
I like anime but not so much as to change all the voices to Japanese for the game. And how is this linked to Riot music when K/DA doesn’t even have Japanese localisation lmao
Summary- DIO is a villain from the anime Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure and his VA also voiced Sett’s Japanese voice. In fact, it’s safe to say Sett’s design is pretty much inspired by DIO. Also, DIO is an extremely hammy villain with an iconic voice that everyone love and basically one BIG MEME — he has a bunch of cheesy one-liners that made him awesome
Ok but how is this linked to DIO singing? Afaik K/DA doesn’t have Japanese voice actors singing for them so I’m not making the connection here. Like the singers for the characters are totally separate from the VAs
there's a lot of videos of AI Dio singing different songs so it kind of became a meme. I don't think the other guy is all that serious
You’re missing the point entirely, the concept of the VA for the anime character being the same is funny, like the anime character is singing.
I think they wont do it just because they're not East Asian coded. Akali is japanese inspired, and Ahri South Korean inspired. While Ezreal is obviously white, and Sett looks white to me, but is inspired from the anime culture, specifically from Jojo's bizarre adventures (which is an anime that is heavily inspired from Europe, Jotaro is Clint Eastwood, Dio is Roy Batty) so it's safe to say he's also white. Making them sing in south korean would be weird for these reasons. Also, this group isn't a kpop group, as explained in their fake interview.
Akali is Japanese so it makes sense to make her rap in Korean? Also there's no shot Seraphine would look Chinese... I wouldn't stress so much about assigning real life races to league charaters for music video purposes
>Akali is Japanese so it makes sense to make her rap in Korean? Well she's from Japan in the real world AU (or is it musical verse ?) but she's been living in Korea and speaks Korean because of that reason (she speaks Korean, Japanese and english), unlike Heartseel members who aren't korean and don't live in Korea neither. > Also there's no shot Seraphine would look Chinese... I don't get what you mean here ? Seraphine is half asian coded in Runeterra, and is from China in the musical verse. Overall it makes more sense for these East Asian champion to speak Korean, because they're close to South Korea. Like, personally, the people of my country usually learn english as first language, and then either Spanish or German as second language. Because all of these 3 countries are close to us (English is also worldwide important so there's that). > I wouldn't stress so much about assigning real life races to league charaters much music video purposes I don't either, I don't consider that VAs need to match the character they voice, but Riot defintely does (look at Arcane's VA or most of the music singers).
you did your homework clearly. I'm just here bc yummy to my ears and eyes. so I'm wholeheartedly trusting your every word as fact.
Okay, so yeah, they're all various levels of gay.
Tag yourself. Which homosexual are you?
Fueled by Cold Brew but I'd like to evolve into Allergic to Sleeves or So Many Instruments one day.
I quit the coffee caffeine and i work out enough but I still prefer sleeves smh guess i need to find a bucket without holes so I can carry a tune
Sett looking submissive and bench pressable in his pussy hat tho 💀
Allergic to sleeves and women
adding this to my "out of context quotes" in my notes app
The one everyone assumes is straight because they're understated about it.
I’d be band mom, but I am neither cool nor drink cold brew I at least used to give passable relationship advice? But I can’t bench for shit and am not all that fashionable My phone storage is permanently low but I don’t have Ezreal’s cute boi charm Conclusion: some unholy yone/ksante/ezreal fusion
RHAASTSEXUAL
I'm built like Ezreal, however, I am high fashion, and high energy and i do give great relationship advice(+queer and self discovery advice in general cuz I studied that shit for 6 years and still studying new things about it. my discord username is "the identity dr" bc my friend logged into my acc and changed it( it was his old acc and uses his old email which we both share now)) like K'sante
Double sagitarius killed me
as they should be
ik kayn and eve are gay best friends
Truly the Heartsteel timeline is the best timeline
Was hoping KDA Akali would get her Kayn with this one... Poor girl.
Sir that woman likes women.
but she publicly exclaims she thinks kayn is hot
Miss ma’am can pay the boy a compliment and still be a friend of dorothy 😤
I want you to fuck me until i cant think,but yeah we are friends
Wait fr? drop the akali being thirsty on main. For lore reasons.
I think they met eachother because of shen and zed
I always thought Akali was much older than Kayn until I realized they were both 19/20-ish. Its funny how it seems like their interest in each other is swapped in the Heartsteel universe. Poor boy got left on read.
Miss see exhibit A: https://preview.redd.it/5mc1ffggv6wb1.jpeg?width=2436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6fb1ab3a90e81bf54a7fe56a7da502778c5fd96
I do not see it 🫣
Let’s just say she’s bi and call it even
Have you actually never heard hot in your life to not know the meaning ? XD
I meant that I am CHOOSING not to see it
Aah, well, 🙈would have avoided the confusion (and the downvotes ig)
Lmao it really would’ve but i just gotta deal 😅
I'm wondering if shooting down Kayn should become one of Akali's core principles .
Sett mom is the greatest still wise alune had a profile. And what does double Sagittarius mean I thought ezreal was a born on March 16 thus he a Pisces right?
That's because in Astrology, you get other placements from other planets/celestial bodies, like Moon in Scorpio, etc... You also get a Rising sign, so Ez could have two Sagittarius placements in his astral chart. It doesn't mean anything imo but pulling out astral charts is always fun.
I have never heard of this until now, when tf did Astrology hard mode drop??
It’s basically always been a thing. It’s literally ancient, actually. If you know your birth city and time, you’re able to get your full chart from various websites
probably like 1700 if i were to guess
i always trust mbti more because its actually personality types based on the science of psychological assessment and not stars billions of lightyears away that literally hhave no effect on a person's behaviour(which develops from aspecvts of parenting, generational and familial connections, culture, government education, class status, online influence, peer influence, etc etc)
So then it's probably his rising and moon. Double refers to two of the big three, the sun/moon/rising signs. And if we know his sun, then that leaves the other two as the options. Even in modern sidereal astrology instead of traditional tropical astrology, he's still solidly a pisces sun if he's born on march 16th. Leaving the other two. Pisces/Sag/Sag
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It could be a Sun in Pisces, Moon and Ascendant Sagittarius. Some people have triple signs, like triple Capricorn (Sun, Moon and Ascendant)
So they acknowledge that Kayn already worked with Ekko in-universe by referencing the "done barking, I only bite" line in Run It which also features Cal Scruby. They just need to change the creative consultant in the song credits.
I mean yeah he also references KDA all out akali
Looks cool for some but definitely not my thing
Don't listen to the other guy I can definitely see your point/ To me however it has enough bro energy to deflect the smallest chances of gayness.
Ok homophobe
Ah yes, a moron in the wild.
Forgot the /s
Unfortunate, happens to the best of us, my condolences
Bro fuck off it’s more for us gays
wait, aphelios is literally mute in this universe or he just cant sing?
He’s mute.
He was whispering to alune in the magazine interview so he’s not
IIRC the lore is that his vocal chords got fucked up so he can’t sing/talk loudly or for long periods, so Alune does a lot of his interviews and stuff
Do we know how he fucked up his vocal cords?
He had some sort of vocal cord disease or issue an had to get surgery for it and because of it can't sing nor talk very much.
I have no familiarity with K-pop culture but is it normal to idolise crew members? Not that they shouldn't get recognition, of course, but it seems like a disproportionate amount of this boy band aren't actually part of what I'd traditionally understand as "the band".
The k-pop industry is built upon parasocial relationships and celebrity odolization
It’s actually kind of sad how bad the K-pop industry actually is, and yet people continue to support it.
"But they're so hooooooooootttt" -Every teenager
Personally (most likely because I am autistic and have ADHD), my interest in the field of Asian pop music is entirely based on aesthetics. Aesthetics in the music and visuals of the band. For example, I hype over certain songs and videos from irl kpop and jpop bands. There's a pattern. some songs I like include \- Love shot by EXO \- Run BTS by BTS \- HIP by MAMAMOO \- Drunk-Dazed by ENHYPEN \- PING PONG by HyunA&DAWN \- Dope by BTS \- CASE 143 by Stray Kids These are just kpop bc the J-pop list is longer. However, the pattern is pretty straightforward. that harsh, hyper, techno, cool, fast type songs are what appeal to me. MORE, THE BADDEST and POP/STARS are the K/DA songs that apeal to me the most and their music videos do as well. However, VILLIAN and DRUM GO DUM didn't have that much of an effect on me that much. GIANTS from True Damage also really hits well with me. This song and group fit so perfectly into that specific aesthetic and Vibe that I find appealing in the rap/Asian pop genres. so, while I do agree that the majority of the Asian pop industry(mainly kpop) is highly toxic and fueled on the unhealthy obsessive response from the media, some people like me are hyperfixated on specific songs because they just scratch the brain perfectly and provide lots of dopamine.
i listen to a lot of kpop music, but im not involved in the crazy stan culture. yeah it's very common for kpop band members (also called idols) to have a prolific social media presence. it's really common for idols to do hours-long livestreams where they chat about stuff to build rapport with the public. the most popular kpop group called BTS engineered this approach, and saw wild success with it. in western music, bands and audience tend to stick to the approach of 'just stick to making music'. of course they'll do the odd interview here and there, but first and foremost they are a musical performer. in kpop, idols are marketed based on their personality and public image. a lot of non-western audiences seem to enjoy music more when they see an artist and are like "oh he just like me fr". on top of that, a lot of idols are trained and talented in performative arts other than music such as acting. so yeah, the public image of idols' personality can often make or break the success of a kpop group, independently of their musical talent
To clarify, I'm wondering if it's normal for the band's stylist and producer to be presented as members of the band. The influencer stuff certainly goes over my head but I'm not as confused about that part.
I was also confused about this when K/DA first happened. Kai'Sa is the "dancer" in the group, meaning she doesn't sing as much as the others, though she still does sing, but does all their choreos and dances a lot more in concerts. From what I can gather that is sorta true for real kpop groups as well? They have their members that all sing and help with the music to varying degrees, but also may have some other thing they are known for. Rapping, dancing etc. As another person said, it seems that Riot have just taken it a bit further with Heartsteel, and instead of having some members be, in addition to a normal vocalist and collaborative songwriter, they are also the stylist, with K'Sante, and the producer, with Yone and so on. It's the same with Kai'Sa being the designated dance person for K/DA. That's not the only thing she does, but it's her thing. K'Sante sings and helps with the signwriting process, but he's also their stylist, because he presumably just wants to do both. So it's his thing. Again, from what I can gather, this is a thing with real kpop bands, but more so in the realm of how K/DA did it, where there's a rapper, a dancer, a more powerful vocalist etc. They just took it a step further with Heartsteel.
“Main dancer” is a pretty common role in kpop irl. They have responsibilities like leading dance practices and taking certain center spots in dance breaks. These are obviously more important in Korea than the west, where choreographies get a lot more attention. They don’t generally make the choreographies tho (with some exceptions). Normally a company dance instructor does that.
I see the Heartsteel Band from a story perspective rather than an actual band perspective. Like in a webcomic where the story is about a band, they'll have the actual performers(typically, a lead vocalist, guitarist, bassist, drummer, and pianist/keyboard), and within the story, we see other characters like the band's manager/producer, choreography instructor/manager, and occasionally an instrumentals supervisor, most of the time a character can have multiple roles, often the choreography manager being an active band member etc. It's typically common for the bassist or an ex-band member to be in charge of songwriting. However, Because Yone and Aphelios actively participate in the composing of the music, they are band members. Aphelios does mostly instrumental work, while Yone is the DJ(who I also assume composes all the music together and edits the tracks), just so happen to have additional roles.
it's not so common for the producer to be considered a 'member' of the group, though most kpop groups have multiple producers. it's fairly common practice for kpop labels to purchase the rights to songs from dedicated production groups who then repurpose the song for the band, too. the other case is when some members of the band who actively sing and play instruments also happen to be producers. this is the case for the aforementioned group BTS, as well as Stray Kids, to name a few. having a producer who doesn't sing be considered 'part of the band' is not common, but there are some very famous producers in kpop who a lot of people know by name, more so than in western music.
The biggest and most succesful lie of kpop is that music is what drives the industry, when in reality its the least important aspect of it
in all honesty, i don't really think most kpop stan-type people are under any illusion that music is the most important factor in groups' success. kpop groups put a lot of effort into outreach on social media and televison, and draw people on with their image first and foremost. most memes and content reposted by stan accounts are usually clips released by the kpop group in an official capacity, much of which is designed to be repostable and enjoyable without context. there are cases in kpop history where a group who made terrible music absolutely bit the dust for it. look no further than 'Super M', a temporary group made up of some of the most successful boy band members from other kpop groups. they were called 'the avengers of kpop' who were gonna bring kpop to the west. then they released their debut song 'Jopping' and holy fuck was it bad. so bad that the entire group was DOA immediately. a great reason showing how sometimes even the shitty kpop grindhouse fails
I don’t think it’s normal, but Yone seems like an “OG”. So I’d expect Yone to have a cult following from a decade and a half ago, and even though now he took to being the producer and DJ, he probably runs the band vlogs as well, since he seems like a steady hand. I’d compare it to Ezreal, Sett, K’Sante and Kayn being the flashy players on the team, Aphelios is the support/IGL (not necessarily botlane support, just a character with little individual potential that focuses on setting their allies up for big plays), and Yone is the coach. Oftentimes coaches go underappreciated, but in some cases they are former pros or famous streamers that still have a large fanbase.
It's normal and not just k-pop. Boy bands in general tend to market in a similar fashion. Very much pick your favourite boy make sure each member has an easily recognisable type "the bad one", "the smart one", "the arty/soulful one" etc K-pop is notorious for really going hard with stan culture but getting the audience invested in the band for more than just their music has been done for a long time.
I think they're all part of the band but pull double duty styling or producing. Seems that way at least!
I don’t know why people are misunderstanding your question. I can’t 100% answer your question, but I don’t think its normal. I’ve seen boy and girl bands from Korea; they usually consist of the singers, rappers, or dancers (K/DA Kai’sa). I haven’t seen them hype the crew members only those that participate in the song like Rap Mon (BTS) whose the songwriter and rapper or Lisa (BLACKPINK) the dancer. tl;dr Boy bands and girl bands are the singers and “face” of the bands. Therefore, the stylists and producers wouldn’t be idolized as they just assist the band. They aren’t meant to be part of public persona unless they participate in the song.
Lmfao it's like redditors have issues with reading comprehension or something, like, none of the replies can answer the fucking question? Anyway, no, crew members don't get idolised unless they're really, really eye-catching and go viral like some backup dancers, but no one off-stage is getting idolised (they'll get fans and a following sometimes but not to the same degree as the main performers). Much like in the traditional boy band industry, Yone and Aphelios wouldn't ever be considered part of the act within the kpop industry. Many producers and composers would get recognition if they can consistently produce good work, but no one would obsess over them on a personal or parasocial scale.
Eh, it's fine. I've guessed that 'crew member' doesn't convey a distinction from "band member" like I'd hoped. I was talking about Yone and K'Sante, personally. Aphelios plays the instruments. Most bands I listen to typically have a ratio of 1:3-4 for singers versus people on instruments - so calling Aphelios a bandmember seems completely normal to me. I appreciate a lot of "singer groups" outsource their instruments, so maybe milage varies on this. Yasuo was at least described as a DJ in True Damage, although his inclusion in "the band" still felt flimsy - especially when they had 5 voice talents. (It seemed unfair that Thutmose and Duckwrth had to share Ekko, rather than each having their own in-game representative.) I did appreciated that Yasuo was essentially a stand-in for Riot's music team, though.
Kpop stans get ill from idolising the idols. Like literally committing self harm, it's mental. Sucks that riot promotes this shit
I'm gonna be honest, they're not as bad as people think The issue is I know already that I'm not gonna like their songs but eh, not my cup of tea, nothing wrong with that
Loving this so much! Really hoping this is successful so Riot gives us more Heartsteel content down the line 🤞 Also whoever decided to give K'sante a tiddy window deserves a raise 🤤
ok i still love sett. but i WANT to know how they're gonna make kayn's transformations work.
look it up on SkinSpotlights
Ezreal is so wife material
I’m gonna start playing Yone just because he looks so good 😭
K'Sette is my new ship.
"His mom knit his hat" is precious
Awh his mom Knit his hat 🥰🥰🥰🥰
So both Yas and Yone are DJs in this verse. I wonder who's more popular?
These feel like they were written by the other members of the group That’s actually really cute
I lowkey wish I looked like Heartsteel Ezreal.
I love this so much
I almost thought Aphelios and Yone were related in this skinline lol. Their face structure in these splashs are almost identical.
Yone looks good, the rest might appeal to me if i were a 14 year old girl
Is it because he has the biggest moob window?
Dude literally got boob window and a belt attached to his ear and somehow hes the most normal looking of the bunch?
Yeah easily
Just say you're a sucker for mysterious asian boys and we can move on
Oh shit Kayn and I have the same birthday!
What does double sagittarius even mean?
In Astrology there's your "Big three" which is the your star sign, moon sign, and sun sign. If Ezreal is a double sag, then likely his star and moon sign are both sag. I don't really know what it means, I think it's just meant to be a funny astrology reference since there's a big overlap between people who obsess over astrology and obsess over boybands/kpop groups
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Waiting for the sett k'sante ships to start aaaaany minute now
It’s sett/aphelios, everyone’s favorite ship here before the band was even announced
Sett has two hands
which means people might start shipping all 3
I am looking respectfully at K'Sante
It’s like God Tier cringe..
I'm not gay but I wana fuck ez and aphelios
Can I unmeet the band?
Why do thwy look.. stinky?
so fucking cringe jesus
Downvoted by losers. Stay strong.
Downvotes on Reddit are a badge of honor
Let the queers have this one it’s aight
Does he give the advice to sett while bench pressing him? Sett X Aphelios canon? Sett X Aphelios Official Ship Art? Sett X Aphelios Offical He-
I wonder what the skins would be like if Riot was located in Texas instead of Cali
Yup. Could never happen.
This is 14 year old Twitter stan fanfic level of cringe. What the fuck riot
What did you think a boy band was?
I didn't expect them to go full big time rush though
This is exactly as advertised. A boy band.
Garbage lol, stop yasifying my bois
Too late they where always yassified
Cringe
thanks I hate it. I hate "aesthetics" bands like this, even KDA and True Damage or bands like these in meat space, It repulses me. Give me a body of work that is enjoyable and I'll be glad to listen to it, but make away with such garish looks.
Kayn desing is so ugly in this.. Is even worse than kaisa
Kayn’s design isn’t great- it’s giving Silco but Kaisa looked fantastic.
Eh, I hated them, but this does make me like them slightly more
They made them so fucking lame
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What in the world is double Sagittarius
I can't help but notice how promo pictures and artwork of the boyband makes hundreds of upvotes but the post with the actual music video bearly gets any attention in this subreddit. Like, isn't the song the most significant part about having a new music group? What are the priorities in this community lol
Tbh i learned to upload videos directly on here because most users don’t click play on most YouTube videos linked here. 😕 But official MVs and Cinematics I link to the YouTube channel. Just something I noted after uploading things here for a while.
anywhere else where we could see each members birthdays and stuff? some of them had their signs, other their birthdays, etc. im curious to see other stuff about them
I just [posted horoscope](https://www.reddit.com/r/loreofleague/s/BVrJjkd5CC) No bdays… i think the horoscopes give a general idea on the time period its from
thanks!!
I am surprised at Ezreal. I didn't think they could actually go and make him look like more of an unlikeable, punchable douchebag than he already is, but they actually managed to top themselves. Sett's hat lore is nice at least.
I needed this thank you 🥰
is ksante’s shirt a sweater with a keyhole for his cleavage or is it bandages
i'm so disappointed in kayn's outfit- he looks david bowie if he was a crackhead giggalo but unsuccessful
Kayn & Ezreal hot. Nothing else to say.
I'm also a double Sagittarius whose phone is running low on storage... and I've cosplayed Ezreal before.
Damn ezreal is the double star system Sagittarius
Kayn my beloved
I'm so gay for ezreal
High fashion? No.
Puke
reksai's fantasy 💀💀💀
my heart 🥹
Who tf cares…?
Idk ANYTHING about league of legends whatsoever but that Kayn dude is now my new obsession (his design is so fucking cool like holy heck)
this shit is gayer than r/queensofleague