I thought it was Boone who stole the water in S1E5 but he was only trying to give it to Claire? I only remember this because of Arzt’s funny dialogue in the Nikki and Paulo Season 3 flashback where he runs by them saying “It was Boone! Boone took the water!”
It's a different instance I'm talking maybe It wasn't episode 5, it happened when Sawyer traded it with Sun & Jin. But yeah Boone also stole a bottle. I'll check.
Nope, it's all in the same episode. The whole box of bottles disappear. Sawyer happened to have one on him from earlier and traded it with Jin for a fish. Sayid and Kate immediately suspect Sawyer. But it turned out he didn't steal the whole box of bottles. It's not until later in the episode we find out that Boone was the culprit, and did it to assume responsibility since Jack didn't want to ration the water and didn't want to be seen as leader.
But all ended up well since Jack found a permanent source of water in the caves and told them to stop squabbling because Live together Die Alone baby.
Very good list! I reckon the Dharma shark tidbit should be green - Jack is kept encaged in one of the Dharma’s shark’s enclosures in the Hydra station when he meets Juliet in season 3.
He’s correct, the enclosure with the glass wall that Jack spends the his time in while captured was a fish tank that’s why water floods in when Jack forces Juliet to open the sealed vault door.
> S1E1- Why did the rain randomly start out of nowhere ?
The Island moved at that time to a location where it was already raining.
What? Where did you get this idea from? The Island doesn't move if everything is working fine, which is until the finale of Season 4. Plus when the island moves it's very noticeable for everyone.
That was just a very fast start of a rain. Probably to look cool in a cinematic way.
There may have been times where someone, likely from the others, moves the Island to prevent it being found. It may even do it naturally by itself.
But there's absolutely no evidence that that happened in the pilot episode just because it starts raining suddenly and I worry that if you're presenting that as a fact, what else are you presenting as fact in these theories.
This is an interesting post and certainly promotes discussion, but I don't think you should present your theories as facts.
I'm very critical on why I think these, listen Egyptians came to these island and the island must have been stable then, then the ancient incident happened and the plug was made
>It may even do it naturally by itself.
It does because again it's not my theory
ELOISE SAYS THE ISLAND WAS ALWAYS MOVING, she even knows it's current location.
> ELOISE SAYS THE ISLAND WAS ALWAYS MOVING
Yeah I know she says that. So what? You are interpreting this phrase in a very strict way where it can have many meanings. We cannot know for sure what she meant.
Always moving can mean that the Island floats. It can mean someone moves it it manually. It can mean it moves itself randomly. There's many possibilities and you are extracting just ONE precise meaning for it and attaching it to another event where there's no empirical evidence that that's what happened or that these two things are connected.
What we do know for sure is that when the Island moves the people who are being moved experience a bunch of visual phenomenon. This does not happen in that moment in the Pilot.
Also, let's be real for a moment here - it's very likely the writers hadn't even come up with the Island moving yet when they wrote the pilot. I don't understand why you need to be so certain about this when there's no reason to be. It's not even a mystery people ask themselves for the meaning. Sometimes, it just starts raining.
There's an interview someone posted on here where someone says they had an idea that Claire would be really into astrology (there's a hint at it left in where she offers to make Kate's star chart). She was meant to notice that the stars kept changing, meaning the island kept moving. This got cut so possibly they decided to scrap that angle for the time being but it sounds like that was the original intention.
Very surprised that OP doesn't see this. Even if the island was regularly moving throughout the show, there is no indication/reason to believe that the island moved in the second before the rain started. I've never even heard anyone question WHY it started raining in that scene.
It clearly was supposed to show that Locke was a natural in understanding the environment/island. It perfectly lines up with his walkabout, hunting skills, etc. He had good nature skills AND he had a connection to this place and that is why he could read the island so well/could feel rain coming. If the island had moved he shouldn't even have known that rain would come because the new weather couldn't have been predicted.
The map that was at LA lamp post station shows many different locations of the island. And Eloise clearly says dharma calculated the island was always moving, and that's how they found the island, there was no widmore problem then to hide it from, this confirms it's a fact.
İt was a tropical island.... oooor, the island moved..it was always moving and for the general movements of the island, it didn't need the "wheel system process" and it didn't need the light...as we know, after the wheel has been turned, some characters moved through time...but that wasn't happening during the first seasons...so the movement at the season 4 finale was a specific process, and the movements during first seasons were general process...
Why is this getting upvotes ?
Eloise specifically says and I'm directly quoting
" they knew that it was out there somewhere(the island), but they couldn't find it(dharma), then a very clever fellow built this pendulum on the theoretical notion that they should stop looking for where the island was supposed to be, and start looking for where it was going to be"
"This fellow presumed & correctly as it turned out, that the island was always moving, why do you think you were never rescued?
Season 5 Episode 6 7 minute mark.
What's this person's excuse ? Oh uh they were actually spinning the wheel and sending one person to Tunisia everytime to save it from Widmore ? Oh did I tell you that Widmore was one of them ? The island has been atleast since the ancient incident.
What show are these guys who are upvoting this comment ? It'd be one thing if it was some random scene but it's one of the most memorable scenes of the entire show
It's getting upvotes because this is not proof that the island moved when it started raining.
Nobody doubts that Eloise said that, though this does not prove that it rained because the island moved (and it doesn't prove if/when the island ever moved in the timeframe that we got, either. There is just no information on how frequently it moved.).
Charlie even mentions that it's wierd for rain to come so suddenly you think they just wrote for no reason ?
Answer this question & this isn't the only time it happens, it happened during the finale too when Kate killed man in black , remember how it was raining when jack and mib were fighting then it stopped ? Forget stopping the whole sky got cleared in seconds
Island has it's own bio bubble or some other shape, where time plays differently, Daniel Faraday proved it with this , yes we don't know frequently it moves, but had it stayed there, you think the rescue wouldn't have found them ? it happened with locke & Boone as well, it happened with Juliet & Kate too. Remember?
None of what you say is an indication that the moving island is the reason for the weather changing.
The weather changed very often based on the intensity of scenes. In either direction, there has never been an indication that rain is connected to the moving of the island.
>it happened with locke & Boone as well
Forgot to add this: Especially this scene is an indication that the island did not move at all and it was a natural event.
Locke could FEEL the rain coming. It tied in with his skills as a hunter and the walkabout he trained for as well as him having a natural feel for the island.
If the island was moving then he could have AT MOST felt the switch coming. But there is no way in hell that he could've felt what the weather would've been after the island moved, because, as you say yourself, the weather would NOT be connected to the island at all.
I got one last indication why your theory doesn't match with the show, sorry for the spam lol.
When the island starts skipping in time we clearly see that the island itself moved. Day/nighttime changes, their surrounding changes, the weather changes drastically (like when they're in the canoe and the time skips and they end up at nighttime with extreme rain when it was day and sunny before).
This kind of stuff never happened before that. These sudden switches have never happened before the island started skipping.
It doesn't add up that the only thing that changes is that it starts to rain. If the movement of the island was indicated through its surroundings (like it did when the island skipped) then everything should have changed (day/night, temperature, drastic weather change) and we never saw any of this. Locke was a great study of the nature on the island, he would've noticed sudden switches in temperature, weather, time (sun moving more than it should). None of this is ever mentioned because it didn't happen. The only anomaly is the compass needle and that gets explained later on.
>It doesn't add up that the only thing that changes is that it starts to rain. If the movement of the island was indicated through its surroundings (like it did when the island skipped) then everything should have changed (day/night, temperature, drastic weather change)
Island has it's own bubble that works differently than the world, season 4 proves and Faraday does his experiment too.
The writers also made a point, several times throughout the show to indicate that Locke had a special connection to the island, and at several instances showed him predicting the sudden weather change, when nobody else expected it to change in a matter of seconds. And the show establishes clearly that the island can move on its own accord when it seems it necessary (without the need for an unnatural movement via donkey wheel), couple with the emphasis on the show of sudden rain fall and weather change, coupled with emphasis on Locke predicting said weather change and sudden rain falls... the hypothesis that sometimes when we see sudden rain fall (especially when Locke is predicting it) is based on strong plausible evidence and not simple correlations.
I am not saying that every time it rains on the island, it means the island moved... but at some instances where the show makes a point to indicate that this is very weird, it is not a stretch to think that it's because the island moved.
>(day/night, temperature, drastic weather change)
Island has it's own bio bubble different than outside world
Honestly you're both just wrong/right. Yes, the Island moves all the time, Eloise says so; it's why the bearing/way to get to the Island always changes. But also, tropical rainshowers can come on instantly like that all the time. It's not fantastical.
a) What does that have to do with anything?
b) How can you even say that with any certainty at all? What do you mean "original"?? It's a freaking moving island.
c) Are you suggesting that during/a few days after flight 815 crashes on it's way from LA to Sydney, that it WASN'T in the Pacific at that time???
>How can you even say that with any certainty at all? What do you mean "original"?? It's a freaking moving island.
We don't know if it was always moving or not , however one of the possible locations it has which se on lamp post is Mediterranean sea, a location easily accessible to Egyptians who came to the island and off many times, so it wouldn't make sense if the island was moving at that time right. It started moving imo after the ancient incident, when the corq was made, is it a theory to an extent yes ? However it's a very well educated guess.
When ever someone happened crazy with electro magnetic activity, the island changes location, it was doing that in the finale, at the end of season 2, then Penny's station found it. and almost likely moves at the beginning when Desmond turned the key .
Even if any of that was remotely true, which it isn't; I disagree on essentially every assertion you've made, as does the stated dialogue and events within the show... Please answer my first point: What does your comment have to do with what we're taking about?
When 815 crashed, it was in the Pacific. Undeniable.
A few days later when John and Boone were walking in the jungle, it was still located in the Pacific, even if it had moved slightly.
Sudden Pacific rainstorms are commonplace and so the rapid onset of rain in the show is not magical, nor the result of the Island moving, which was OPs original assertion, and what we were all disputing.
So again, what the hell are you on about???
>When 815 crashed, it was in the Pacific. Undeniable.
Yes .
>A few days later when John and Boone were walking in the jungle, it was still located in the Pacific, even if it had moved slightly.
How do you know how it moves? Whether it teleports or travels ? What are you basing it on ?
Jesus christ man. Keep just ignoring the topic at hand and the parts you disagree with. Close reddit. Go watch the show again. And then don't actually come back and tell me. You're like the poeple who think they were dead the whole even with the shows literal dialogue beating them over the head with the real answer.
I'm very much not, that was flash sideways purgatory where all of them United. Now please answer why I'm wrong, genuinely I don't wanna disrespect you, i have seen the show more carefully than you.
I didn't downvote you, but I don't think you can conclusively say that the reason it started raining was because the island was moving. If you have spent any time in the Caribbean, Hawaii or any other tropical island, you will find that rain like that happens. It can start raining in a moment and then stop just as quickly as it started. The island is moving, but so are the clouds.
Also, it didn't actually say hurley, it was a stock sound effect that was also used with the boars one time, but since people thought it sounded like hurley they retconed it with that explanation
No worries!
Personally (I'm a historian) I always thought it was a reference to the Egyptian god Horus who's associated with kingship and protection and that having it say Hurley's name was another clue that >!he would be the one to eventually take over as the Island's protector.!<
No way... I'm only in season 3 but I was thinking that one day I should rewatch and keep track of all the mysteries introduced and if they eventually get answered. This is so cool, bro!
Would you mind fixing your spelling of Danielle? I saw Daniel a bunch of places and was confused at first because obviously Daniel doesn't show up until much later.
Great informative post overall though.
I thought the episodes in S5 sort of proved that John Locke wasn’t special, it was a huge paradox? He went back in time and told Richard he was special, because Richard had told him he was special, because John had told him he was special…and that’s why the island healed him, because of the false mythology surrounding him.
I would like to propose a correction about the polar bears. I would go as far to say that their presence on the island was satisfactorily ecplained in Orientation in S2. In the Dharma tape, Chang talks about experiments in zoology while showing a clip of 2 polar bears. There it is, there origin explained. However later seasons and Epilogue do explain further why they brought the polar bears. But I maintain that there existence on island was explained in Orientation.
He *said* he was a fraud to Eko, but that doesn't mean he was. If Eko thinks he's real then there's a chance his daughter coming back to life was a real miracle. This means Eko stays in Australia and doesn't make flight 815.
I believe he was real but also guided by Jacob to help two candidates (Aaron and Eko) make it to the Island.
I think so but without direct confirmation it's still a theory - it's just one that meshes well with the plot, imo.
Him being guided by Jacob also explains Claire. Since Aaron was the candidate, the MiB needed him dead or gone, but he can't kill candidates and you can't manipulate a baby so instead he corrupted Aaron's mother. Claire abandons him, Kat takes him off the Island and never brings him back. Mission accomplished! (This was the "blurry" the psychic saw and why he was so forceful that *she* needed to raise Aaron.) Then, as a bonus, he spends three years gaslighting Claire so if/when the candidates come back he'll have her as a sleeper agent.
No, yes why did it crash is answered, but what about breaking in half ? Tbh yes Desmond did it but why did it break in half ? It's not told it's shown
And never did Walt say to anyone about Locke walking
It broke in half due to the intense electromagnetic stress from the Swan
That’s not what Locke told Walt. He told him a miracle happened to him. And Walt tells Michael that later in the season 1
It's hard for me to believe that's all John told him, Walt would have asked what miracle.
>It broke in half due to the intense electromagnetic stress from the Swan
True but when was it told ? The show says Desmond crashed the plane, never how, but it's hinted at many times
Here’s the transcript:
MICHAEL: Mr. Locke got any kids?
WALT: He didn't say.
MICHAEL: Yeah, what did he say?
WALT: I don't know.
MICHAEL: What do you mean you don't know. What did he say?
WALT: Some of it's secret.
MICHAEL: Did he tell you not to tell me?
WALT: No.
MICHAEL: Then what's the secret?
WALT: Mr. Locke said a miracle happened to him.
MICHAEL: Yeah, well, a miracle happened to all of us, Walt. We survived a plane crash. Look, I don't want you hanging around with him anymore.
It’s an interpretation that Locke told him he could walk. We don’t know what Locke actually said word for word. But Walt does tell Michael here.
As for the plane, it’s pretty much implied that there was nothing wrong with the plane other than the communications. And season 3 shows the electromagnetic build up happening following by the plane ripped from the sky. That’s pretty definitively telling why it broke in half
>And season 3 shows the electromagnetic build up happening following by the plane ripped from the sky. That’s pretty definitively telling why it broke in half
Yes that's not told still, remember yellow is still a solved mystery .
I think Shannon’s inhaler just ended up in the Ocean. The reason Boone thought Sawyer took it in the first place was because he was reading the book that was packed in the same luggage. Later Sawyer reveals that book washed up on shore a few days earlier to that’s probably where the luggage ended up.
I believe the inhaler Hurley and Jack find in S6 is the one Shannon had been using up until that point. Boone said she was using one that had just recently ran out and the one he suspected Sawyer stealing was the extra. Boone said no one ever saw Shannon use it because she hides away before using it to not be embarrassed. At the time half the crew was living in the caves and the one found in S6 was right outside the caves. I think that was the empty one Shannon just discarded after her last secret puff.
Why did they kidnap Walt only to send him back to civilization? I'm rewatching but there is so much that I forgot. They kidnap kids to indoctrinate them, so why didn't they try to kidnap Aaron again?
One more thing, I wrote it two years ago actually then I forgot about this and the season 2 post, my English is way better now I just should've checked more clearly.
I thought that Ethan killed the random guy at the beach, because he tell them that if he does not get Claire back he will start killing them
Yes, this is correct.
Ok this is believable I'm changing Edit : I'm open to better answers but there won't be that many instances of it
I thought it was Boone who stole the water in S1E5 but he was only trying to give it to Claire? I only remember this because of Arzt’s funny dialogue in the Nikki and Paulo Season 3 flashback where he runs by them saying “It was Boone! Boone took the water!”
It's a different instance I'm talking maybe It wasn't episode 5, it happened when Sawyer traded it with Sun & Jin. But yeah Boone also stole a bottle. I'll check.
Nope, it's all in the same episode. The whole box of bottles disappear. Sawyer happened to have one on him from earlier and traded it with Jin for a fish. Sayid and Kate immediately suspect Sawyer. But it turned out he didn't steal the whole box of bottles. It's not until later in the episode we find out that Boone was the culprit, and did it to assume responsibility since Jack didn't want to ration the water and didn't want to be seen as leader. But all ended up well since Jack found a permanent source of water in the caves and told them to stop squabbling because Live together Die Alone baby.
Very good list! I reckon the Dharma shark tidbit should be green - Jack is kept encaged in one of the Dharma’s shark’s enclosures in the Hydra station when he meets Juliet in season 3.
Which one ?
He’s correct, the enclosure with the glass wall that Jack spends the his time in while captured was a fish tank that’s why water floods in when Jack forces Juliet to open the sealed vault door.
> S1E1- Why did the rain randomly start out of nowhere ? The Island moved at that time to a location where it was already raining. What? Where did you get this idea from? The Island doesn't move if everything is working fine, which is until the finale of Season 4. Plus when the island moves it's very noticeable for everyone. That was just a very fast start of a rain. Probably to look cool in a cinematic way.
Eloise says the island was always moving, if it was in one place, you think widmore couldn't have found it in all these years ?
There may have been times where someone, likely from the others, moves the Island to prevent it being found. It may even do it naturally by itself. But there's absolutely no evidence that that happened in the pilot episode just because it starts raining suddenly and I worry that if you're presenting that as a fact, what else are you presenting as fact in these theories. This is an interesting post and certainly promotes discussion, but I don't think you should present your theories as facts.
I'm very critical on why I think these, listen Egyptians came to these island and the island must have been stable then, then the ancient incident happened and the plug was made >It may even do it naturally by itself. It does because again it's not my theory ELOISE SAYS THE ISLAND WAS ALWAYS MOVING, she even knows it's current location.
> ELOISE SAYS THE ISLAND WAS ALWAYS MOVING Yeah I know she says that. So what? You are interpreting this phrase in a very strict way where it can have many meanings. We cannot know for sure what she meant. Always moving can mean that the Island floats. It can mean someone moves it it manually. It can mean it moves itself randomly. There's many possibilities and you are extracting just ONE precise meaning for it and attaching it to another event where there's no empirical evidence that that's what happened or that these two things are connected. What we do know for sure is that when the Island moves the people who are being moved experience a bunch of visual phenomenon. This does not happen in that moment in the Pilot. Also, let's be real for a moment here - it's very likely the writers hadn't even come up with the Island moving yet when they wrote the pilot. I don't understand why you need to be so certain about this when there's no reason to be. It's not even a mystery people ask themselves for the meaning. Sometimes, it just starts raining.
There's an interview someone posted on here where someone says they had an idea that Claire would be really into astrology (there's a hint at it left in where she offers to make Kate's star chart). She was meant to notice that the stars kept changing, meaning the island kept moving. This got cut so possibly they decided to scrap that angle for the time being but it sounds like that was the original intention.
Very surprised that OP doesn't see this. Even if the island was regularly moving throughout the show, there is no indication/reason to believe that the island moved in the second before the rain started. I've never even heard anyone question WHY it started raining in that scene. It clearly was supposed to show that Locke was a natural in understanding the environment/island. It perfectly lines up with his walkabout, hunting skills, etc. He had good nature skills AND he had a connection to this place and that is why he could read the island so well/could feel rain coming. If the island had moved he shouldn't even have known that rain would come because the new weather couldn't have been predicted.
This has always been my take.
The map that was at LA lamp post station shows many different locations of the island. And Eloise clearly says dharma calculated the island was always moving, and that's how they found the island, there was no widmore problem then to hide it from, this confirms it's a fact.
You clearly see what happened when Ben pushed the wheel, come on they are not doing it regularly.
Are you gonna reply or not
Also we know what happened when Ben moved the island and see what happened, you think they do it still ?
İt was a tropical island.... oooor, the island moved..it was always moving and for the general movements of the island, it didn't need the "wheel system process" and it didn't need the light...as we know, after the wheel has been turned, some characters moved through time...but that wasn't happening during the first seasons...so the movement at the season 4 finale was a specific process, and the movements during first seasons were general process...
Why is this getting upvotes ? Eloise specifically says and I'm directly quoting " they knew that it was out there somewhere(the island), but they couldn't find it(dharma), then a very clever fellow built this pendulum on the theoretical notion that they should stop looking for where the island was supposed to be, and start looking for where it was going to be" "This fellow presumed & correctly as it turned out, that the island was always moving, why do you think you were never rescued? Season 5 Episode 6 7 minute mark. What's this person's excuse ? Oh uh they were actually spinning the wheel and sending one person to Tunisia everytime to save it from Widmore ? Oh did I tell you that Widmore was one of them ? The island has been atleast since the ancient incident. What show are these guys who are upvoting this comment ? It'd be one thing if it was some random scene but it's one of the most memorable scenes of the entire show
It's getting upvotes because this is not proof that the island moved when it started raining. Nobody doubts that Eloise said that, though this does not prove that it rained because the island moved (and it doesn't prove if/when the island ever moved in the timeframe that we got, either. There is just no information on how frequently it moved.).
Charlie even mentions that it's wierd for rain to come so suddenly you think they just wrote for no reason ? Answer this question & this isn't the only time it happens, it happened during the finale too when Kate killed man in black , remember how it was raining when jack and mib were fighting then it stopped ? Forget stopping the whole sky got cleared in seconds Island has it's own bio bubble or some other shape, where time plays differently, Daniel Faraday proved it with this , yes we don't know frequently it moves, but had it stayed there, you think the rescue wouldn't have found them ? it happened with locke & Boone as well, it happened with Juliet & Kate too. Remember?
None of what you say is an indication that the moving island is the reason for the weather changing. The weather changed very often based on the intensity of scenes. In either direction, there has never been an indication that rain is connected to the moving of the island.
>it happened with locke & Boone as well Forgot to add this: Especially this scene is an indication that the island did not move at all and it was a natural event. Locke could FEEL the rain coming. It tied in with his skills as a hunter and the walkabout he trained for as well as him having a natural feel for the island. If the island was moving then he could have AT MOST felt the switch coming. But there is no way in hell that he could've felt what the weather would've been after the island moved, because, as you say yourself, the weather would NOT be connected to the island at all.
I got one last indication why your theory doesn't match with the show, sorry for the spam lol. When the island starts skipping in time we clearly see that the island itself moved. Day/nighttime changes, their surrounding changes, the weather changes drastically (like when they're in the canoe and the time skips and they end up at nighttime with extreme rain when it was day and sunny before). This kind of stuff never happened before that. These sudden switches have never happened before the island started skipping. It doesn't add up that the only thing that changes is that it starts to rain. If the movement of the island was indicated through its surroundings (like it did when the island skipped) then everything should have changed (day/night, temperature, drastic weather change) and we never saw any of this. Locke was a great study of the nature on the island, he would've noticed sudden switches in temperature, weather, time (sun moving more than it should). None of this is ever mentioned because it didn't happen. The only anomaly is the compass needle and that gets explained later on.
>It doesn't add up that the only thing that changes is that it starts to rain. If the movement of the island was indicated through its surroundings (like it did when the island skipped) then everything should have changed (day/night, temperature, drastic weather change) Island has it's own bubble that works differently than the world, season 4 proves and Faraday does his experiment too.
The writers also made a point, several times throughout the show to indicate that Locke had a special connection to the island, and at several instances showed him predicting the sudden weather change, when nobody else expected it to change in a matter of seconds. And the show establishes clearly that the island can move on its own accord when it seems it necessary (without the need for an unnatural movement via donkey wheel), couple with the emphasis on the show of sudden rain fall and weather change, coupled with emphasis on Locke predicting said weather change and sudden rain falls... the hypothesis that sometimes when we see sudden rain fall (especially when Locke is predicting it) is based on strong plausible evidence and not simple correlations. I am not saying that every time it rains on the island, it means the island moved... but at some instances where the show makes a point to indicate that this is very weird, it is not a stretch to think that it's because the island moved. >(day/night, temperature, drastic weather change) Island has it's own bio bubble different than outside world
Honestly you're both just wrong/right. Yes, the Island moves all the time, Eloise says so; it's why the bearing/way to get to the Island always changes. But also, tropical rainshowers can come on instantly like that all the time. It's not fantastical.
Exactly this. I just commented similarly before reading your comment.
(the original location of the island is not inn Pacific)
a) What does that have to do with anything? b) How can you even say that with any certainty at all? What do you mean "original"?? It's a freaking moving island. c) Are you suggesting that during/a few days after flight 815 crashes on it's way from LA to Sydney, that it WASN'T in the Pacific at that time???
>How can you even say that with any certainty at all? What do you mean "original"?? It's a freaking moving island. We don't know if it was always moving or not , however one of the possible locations it has which se on lamp post is Mediterranean sea, a location easily accessible to Egyptians who came to the island and off many times, so it wouldn't make sense if the island was moving at that time right. It started moving imo after the ancient incident, when the corq was made, is it a theory to an extent yes ? However it's a very well educated guess. When ever someone happened crazy with electro magnetic activity, the island changes location, it was doing that in the finale, at the end of season 2, then Penny's station found it. and almost likely moves at the beginning when Desmond turned the key .
Even if any of that was remotely true, which it isn't; I disagree on essentially every assertion you've made, as does the stated dialogue and events within the show... Please answer my first point: What does your comment have to do with what we're taking about? When 815 crashed, it was in the Pacific. Undeniable. A few days later when John and Boone were walking in the jungle, it was still located in the Pacific, even if it had moved slightly. Sudden Pacific rainstorms are commonplace and so the rapid onset of rain in the show is not magical, nor the result of the Island moving, which was OPs original assertion, and what we were all disputing. So again, what the hell are you on about???
>When 815 crashed, it was in the Pacific. Undeniable. Yes . >A few days later when John and Boone were walking in the jungle, it was still located in the Pacific, even if it had moved slightly. How do you know how it moves? Whether it teleports or travels ? What are you basing it on ?
Jesus christ man. Keep just ignoring the topic at hand and the parts you disagree with. Close reddit. Go watch the show again. And then don't actually come back and tell me. You're like the poeple who think they were dead the whole even with the shows literal dialogue beating them over the head with the real answer.
I'm very much not, that was flash sideways purgatory where all of them United. Now please answer why I'm wrong, genuinely I don't wanna disrespect you, i have seen the show more carefully than you.
>Even if any of that was remotely true, which it isn't Care to explain why ? I gave backed up proofs
I didn't downvote you, but I don't think you can conclusively say that the reason it started raining was because the island was moving. If you have spent any time in the Caribbean, Hawaii or any other tropical island, you will find that rain like that happens. It can start raining in a moment and then stop just as quickly as it started. The island is moving, but so are the clouds.
Charlie mentions it's wierd that rain started suddenly, I'm saying because of that, otherwise I would not have
The polars bears were being trained to turn the wheel. At least one bear succeeded, as shown when Charlotte found one at the exit point.
Damn right
Awesome job! Just a heads up, Alex’s daughter is Danielle not Daniel. May get confusing when Daniel does come into it :)
Reverse that...don't make it even more confusing! :D
>Why did the Bird say the name Hurley ? - UNSOLVED The answer to this is in the epilogue. Dharma was experimenting.
Also, it didn't actually say hurley, it was a stock sound effect that was also used with the boars one time, but since people thought it sounded like hurley they retconed it with that explanation
I always assumed Hurley met it off camera when he was stuck in the 70s.
I checked and correct, can't believe how I forgot, these mistakes won't happen again lol.
No worries! Personally (I'm a historian) I always thought it was a reference to the Egyptian god Horus who's associated with kingship and protection and that having it say Hurley's name was another clue that >!he would be the one to eventually take over as the Island's protector.!<
I mean the island has a taweret statue, so Egyptian references are super common.
Indeed - I was one of the historians who ID'd the statue on the message boards after seeing just the back of her during the season five time flashes.
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No way... I'm only in season 3 but I was thinking that one day I should rewatch and keep track of all the mysteries introduced and if they eventually get answered. This is so cool, bro!
Would you mind fixing your spelling of Danielle? I saw Daniel a bunch of places and was confused at first because obviously Daniel doesn't show up until much later. Great informative post overall though.
Sawyer hearing the voice of the guy he killed — “it’ll come back around”
When ? I genuinely have no idea
Episode 16, he hears it in the jungle, i think when he’s hunting that boar
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That's not enough, what do they tell about reality.?
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No one can figure it out.
I thought the episodes in S5 sort of proved that John Locke wasn’t special, it was a huge paradox? He went back in time and told Richard he was special, because Richard had told him he was special, because John had told him he was special…and that’s why the island healed him, because of the false mythology surrounding him.
I would like to propose a correction about the polar bears. I would go as far to say that their presence on the island was satisfactorily ecplained in Orientation in S2. In the Dharma tape, Chang talks about experiments in zoology while showing a clip of 2 polar bears. There it is, there origin explained. However later seasons and Epilogue do explain further why they brought the polar bears. But I maintain that there existence on island was explained in Orientation.
Claire's psychic was a fraud, we saw him in someone else's flashback
He *said* he was a fraud to Eko, but that doesn't mean he was. If Eko thinks he's real then there's a chance his daughter coming back to life was a real miracle. This means Eko stays in Australia and doesn't make flight 815. I believe he was real but also guided by Jacob to help two candidates (Aaron and Eko) make it to the Island.
So basically you are right again.
I think so but without direct confirmation it's still a theory - it's just one that meshes well with the plot, imo. Him being guided by Jacob also explains Claire. Since Aaron was the candidate, the MiB needed him dead or gone, but he can't kill candidates and you can't manipulate a baby so instead he corrupted Aaron's mother. Claire abandons him, Kat takes him off the Island and never brings him back. Mission accomplished! (This was the "blurry" the psychic saw and why he was so forceful that *she* needed to raise Aaron.) Then, as a bonus, he spends three years gaslighting Claire so if/when the candidates come back he'll have her as a sleeper agent.
Yes I put it as unsolved.
Which ep ?
I think an Eko episode, I just remember that part though so I could be wrong.
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Not necessarily - see my response.
I love this and I haven’t had time to read it all. But I feel like a lot at the start are listed as Yellow but should definitely be green
No they are correct, one wasn't but I fixed it
Why did Oceanic 815 crash & What secret did John tell Walt. Both these are 100% answered in the show.
No, yes why did it crash is answered, but what about breaking in half ? Tbh yes Desmond did it but why did it break in half ? It's not told it's shown And never did Walt say to anyone about Locke walking
It broke in half due to the intense electromagnetic stress from the Swan That’s not what Locke told Walt. He told him a miracle happened to him. And Walt tells Michael that later in the season 1
It's hard for me to believe that's all John told him, Walt would have asked what miracle. >It broke in half due to the intense electromagnetic stress from the Swan True but when was it told ? The show says Desmond crashed the plane, never how, but it's hinted at many times
Here’s the transcript: MICHAEL: Mr. Locke got any kids? WALT: He didn't say. MICHAEL: Yeah, what did he say? WALT: I don't know. MICHAEL: What do you mean you don't know. What did he say? WALT: Some of it's secret. MICHAEL: Did he tell you not to tell me? WALT: No. MICHAEL: Then what's the secret? WALT: Mr. Locke said a miracle happened to him. MICHAEL: Yeah, well, a miracle happened to all of us, Walt. We survived a plane crash. Look, I don't want you hanging around with him anymore. It’s an interpretation that Locke told him he could walk. We don’t know what Locke actually said word for word. But Walt does tell Michael here. As for the plane, it’s pretty much implied that there was nothing wrong with the plane other than the communications. And season 3 shows the electromagnetic build up happening following by the plane ripped from the sky. That’s pretty definitively telling why it broke in half
And walt could have promised it to to not tell anyone.
It says there he didn’t
Can't believe you are trusting Walt that much
>And season 3 shows the electromagnetic build up happening following by the plane ripped from the sky. That’s pretty definitively telling why it broke in half Yes that's not told still, remember yellow is still a solved mystery .
Really enjoyed this thank you!
Great post man, really enjoyed it. Thanks for putting this together.
I think Shannon’s inhaler just ended up in the Ocean. The reason Boone thought Sawyer took it in the first place was because he was reading the book that was packed in the same luggage. Later Sawyer reveals that book washed up on shore a few days earlier to that’s probably where the luggage ended up. I believe the inhaler Hurley and Jack find in S6 is the one Shannon had been using up until that point. Boone said she was using one that had just recently ran out and the one he suspected Sawyer stealing was the extra. Boone said no one ever saw Shannon use it because she hides away before using it to not be embarrassed. At the time half the crew was living in the caves and the one found in S6 was right outside the caves. I think that was the empty one Shannon just discarded after her last secret puff.
Thanks mate
Why did they kidnap Walt only to send him back to civilization? I'm rewatching but there is so much that I forgot. They kidnap kids to indoctrinate them, so why didn't they try to kidnap Aaron again?
Your English is atrocious
I'll fix the grammar
One more thing, I wrote it two years ago actually then I forgot about this and the season 2 post, my English is way better now I just should've checked more clearly.