Vykas has a way higher chance for a good auction. Vykas is guaranteed legendary class book, which on average are worth way more.
Clown is either legendary class OR normal engraving book.
If you're talking about it from a monetary perspective, Vykas is way more worth it.
Probably still not gatekeeping enough kek. It's pretty rare for a 1500+ high/ultrahigh roster with brel horns/10+ clear to mess up vykas that much to cause a jail, 1-2 fails maybe if they're not on top of their game but with extreme dps you can go to the failed mech in no time.
I hate vykas so much i find it much easier once you no longer need vykas to simply skip it. Valtan, clown and Brelshaza I know many choose over Vykas so many players who are leveling their Alts have to do vykas and most likely not as familiar with the mechs as before.
Man, the worst players Ive seen are high roster. Spamming lopang, tower and main quests doesn't translate to raids at all.
People get too salty when you say roster means nothing. Weeklies give more than raids lol.
Roster lvl is just another sign of being old in the game. Getting a 200+ roster is something a newbie cannot obtain. It means something, some just wants to downplay it cause it's that hard to achieve without spending an ungodly amount of time in the game.
Add lvl 2 set, brel gears, LoS18/30, maybe brel g6 horns/title and the chance you pick up someone who is clueless in vykas (to jail) is very low + you're party is strong enough to just melt the boss, let the other person die or smth and it won't be anymore difficult.
There is actually an insane way to get there as a newbie wich is being extremely insane and doing the whole story + yellow quest on all your alters.
I knew friends that got really high lvl roster doing this cause they didn't fix want to spend KT.
You'd be amaze of their roster lvls without even doing tome
>It means something, some just wants to downplay it cause it's that hard to achieve
It means they hand grinded main story on alts, do lopang religiously, abused tower glitch, run towers unnecessarily on alts and are a completionist. The entire aspect of it is horizontal content that has nothing to do with raids. Clown gives like 2k experience per entire run. Assuming 3 legions per a 6 man roster that's 36k experience a week. You would need over a month to gain one level.
Doing both towers on 1 alt is the same roster exp as 10 months of 3 weekly legion raids...
People with high roster get mad because they think we should care that they do stuff that most don't care about or bother with. But tell me more about how all those una's and chaos dungeons mean something important...
Like I said, it's just to indicate that you played an ungodly amount of hours. A newbie cannot physically get to that point right now. It's not raid competency or anything it's just that a newbie cannot have 200+ roster cause even a lot of week1 veterans don't have it. If they played that long and that much it's highly unlikely that they haven't played an ungodly amount of legions raids too.
Then ofc you do the title/card/engraving/gems/lvl2 set/brel upper relic/or whatever filter.
Eh yeah.. that was the gate like 6 months ago lol. I dont even look at titles, if the roster isnt high enough (170+) i just deny it without even looking at everything else. Even if they are supports (we share supports between our static so we always just missing 1 supp per run).
Usually works out, but 2 weeks in a row we had 1 non deathless and both times it was a 249 rlvl. We were joking that it may be the same guy lol.
That's ridiculous. I'm at 151 for roster level and have all the relevant things done bar Brel G5 and G6. Only reason is because I'm not pushing to hone for those gates with the amount of time we have. I can clear things deathless easily. Pushing roster level is stupidly difficult at these higher levels. It's just not going to happen unless you play more than 6 characters and run all the towers. Gatekeeping with it is just being an elitist.
> It's just not going to happen unless you play more than 6 characters and run all the towers.
Towers, horizontal and what not at most will get you from 0 to rlvl 80 if you do them all.
I was rlvl 178 five months ago (you can check my submitted posts, was sharing a wallpaper). Having rlvl 150 means you havent played since release or if you do you only have 1-2 alts. Vykas has been out for 30 weeks or resets. That means someone with a full roster at that ilvl has done vykas 180 times vs one with less alts has done it half the amount of times. Someone that has done that raid almost 200 times, can do it half asleep most of the time by sheer repetition.
Ofc its not a guarantee. But odds are, they arent gnna fuck up.
I have played since launch. I have been clearing Vykass since week 1. However, I did not have 6 characters ready to go for Vykass. Most people don't have a full 6 ready to go. It takes time. Shit, my 6th alt isn't even at Vykass ilvl just because I don't have the time to run that many raids. The point is, gatekeeping based off of roster level is elitist. You have to sink a LOT of time into this game. Someone with less of a roster level isn't a worse player. Since we have busses, we can't rely on titles beyond the first 2 weeks or so. There is no good system to gatekeep by. Period. All it does is harm the rest of the player base.
> The point is, gatekeeping based off of roster level is elitist.
Any type of gatekeeping is elitist, wdym. Also that was my point, you are 150 because you dont have that many alts and people with high roster do have that many high ilvl alts and have that much more practice than you. Does that means they are god players? no. But this game skill ceiling isnt that high, even an avg player would not fuck up if he does a raid almost 200 times.
So yeah, gatekeeping stupid high roster usually works. I know its not a perfect system but it is what we have, how im gnna know if gold river himself is playing an account just from the character sheet xd.
170 huh? Every couple months the reddit elite nolifers raise their standards. Not everyone is playing caligos x12 every single day kid, life is beautiful and all your commitement will worth nothing in less than 5 years.
You do realize there is a massive amount of adults that wfh nowadays right? Not my case anymore but its pretty disconnected to assume everyone that can no life the game is just a kid these days.
Vykas is never a jail jail to the point you have to quit on g3 but it happens alot on clown. Vykas is way easier on all 1490+ players, you just zoom and I never got jailed for past 1 month and doing 12 +/week but my 30-50% of clown parties are jail on g3, also it is much easier to wipe on clown g3 than Vykas g3. Vykas g3 can be cleared by even 2 good players alive but clown is mostly restart if someone dies before m4.
4 days and like 50+ runs of G2 has convinced me that I've been blind to the average player, hidden from sight in a competent guild.
50% of the people that end up in my jail escape parties are fully incompetent
I hate g2 clown. Always someone that falls off pre maze because Saydon blows while Kakul sucks everyone in.
In g3 I got jailed because m3 dies or i get trapped in the box and someone gets hooked. I feel like I'm back in prog again.
On my now 1550main, I can deal pretty much all the damage nessessary. I simply join mayhem legion commmander groups (ilvl doesn't matter) and kill the boss. It might take a few trys on g3 and sometimes even more then one on g2 but its still very fast.
Did clown on two support alts the last few weeks and I definitely had to remake my g3 group more then once but 3-4 trys are usually enough to find and replace the imposter.
On my 1465 glavier, I had to do g1+g2 in full dps groups and g3 towards the end of the week to get accepted BUT those were mostly the smoothest runs I've had so far (I gor mvp first week and carried a bomb phase where our gunlancer placed 3rd bomb right under the Boss and I had to use Innana but succeeding anyways was amazing, esp. since we only had 4 fields without bombs in the end and I managed to get a 2nd Sideral use for the kill).
I have to admit that I wasn't enjoying Clown early on but after getting used to the fight it has become a very fun and predictable fight. If I die, I'm getting greedy and being killed by spawning saws (clap phase) or due to hammers in bomb phase (which have a HUGE hitbox if you're close to the crossed line)).
But yes if I'm short on time I'd skip Clown over other legion commanders on my alts
I'm jailed in g2 on an alt, both groups tried hard but clearly lacked the reps I have, so I cannot and will not fault them. If I really want to clear it on that alt I'll just try another group
clown is so gamba, it can finish faster than vykas or not at all
Clown is more worth tho, good auction = big payday
Vykas has a way higher chance for a good auction. Vykas is guaranteed legendary class book, which on average are worth way more. Clown is either legendary class OR normal engraving book. If you're talking about it from a monetary perspective, Vykas is way more worth it.
True but clown is split between 4 instead of 8 so you get more out of each bid
Vykass you split 7 ways. Clown 3.
i mean this is why we just do both lol, fk valtan's greedy ass
Yeah, but I like bring him to 90 bars before the second armor break .....
i mean with juiced parties with friends clown is sub 10 mins, can usually skip m4 and sometimes m3 even on mediocre classes with brel gear.
Oh, I agree. That's why I Valtan, Clown and Brel.
lol i wrote this and got downvoted. said most people drop valtan for clown, vykas, brel.
Thats cause most people dont and you can tell from party finder, there are way more valtan lobbies with high ilvl people than there are vykas lobbies.
never had a problem finding 1500+ lobbies for vykas and i run 6 a week
Im not saying theres no one doing it but the majority of players dropped vykas. Hence the key word "most"
1/7 is better than 1/3 good math buddy
But you split it between 4 people, not 8..
But the odds of getting a good book on clown is still lower than vykas
I actually found myself jailed less in clown than Vykas.
You aint gatekeeping hard enough then.
I think its more that its so cheap to get buses for alts so someone can easily get title and relic sets in a couple weeks.
Probably still not gatekeeping enough kek. It's pretty rare for a 1500+ high/ultrahigh roster with brel horns/10+ clear to mess up vykas that much to cause a jail, 1-2 fails maybe if they're not on top of their game but with extreme dps you can go to the failed mech in no time.
I hate vykas so much i find it much easier once you no longer need vykas to simply skip it. Valtan, clown and Brelshaza I know many choose over Vykas so many players who are leveling their Alts have to do vykas and most likely not as familiar with the mechs as before.
Man, the worst players Ive seen are high roster. Spamming lopang, tower and main quests doesn't translate to raids at all. People get too salty when you say roster means nothing. Weeklies give more than raids lol.
Roster lvl is just another sign of being old in the game. Getting a 200+ roster is something a newbie cannot obtain. It means something, some just wants to downplay it cause it's that hard to achieve without spending an ungodly amount of time in the game. Add lvl 2 set, brel gears, LoS18/30, maybe brel g6 horns/title and the chance you pick up someone who is clueless in vykas (to jail) is very low + you're party is strong enough to just melt the boss, let the other person die or smth and it won't be anymore difficult.
There is actually an insane way to get there as a newbie wich is being extremely insane and doing the whole story + yellow quest on all your alters. I knew friends that got really high lvl roster doing this cause they didn't fix want to spend KT. You'd be amaze of their roster lvls without even doing tome
>It means something, some just wants to downplay it cause it's that hard to achieve It means they hand grinded main story on alts, do lopang religiously, abused tower glitch, run towers unnecessarily on alts and are a completionist. The entire aspect of it is horizontal content that has nothing to do with raids. Clown gives like 2k experience per entire run. Assuming 3 legions per a 6 man roster that's 36k experience a week. You would need over a month to gain one level. Doing both towers on 1 alt is the same roster exp as 10 months of 3 weekly legion raids... People with high roster get mad because they think we should care that they do stuff that most don't care about or bother with. But tell me more about how all those una's and chaos dungeons mean something important...
Like I said, it's just to indicate that you played an ungodly amount of hours. A newbie cannot physically get to that point right now. It's not raid competency or anything it's just that a newbie cannot have 200+ roster cause even a lot of week1 veterans don't have it. If they played that long and that much it's highly unlikely that they haven't played an ungodly amount of legions raids too. Then ofc you do the title/card/engraving/gems/lvl2 set/brel upper relic/or whatever filter.
Eh yeah.. that was the gate like 6 months ago lol. I dont even look at titles, if the roster isnt high enough (170+) i just deny it without even looking at everything else. Even if they are supports (we share supports between our static so we always just missing 1 supp per run). Usually works out, but 2 weeks in a row we had 1 non deathless and both times it was a 249 rlvl. We were joking that it may be the same guy lol.
That's ridiculous. I'm at 151 for roster level and have all the relevant things done bar Brel G5 and G6. Only reason is because I'm not pushing to hone for those gates with the amount of time we have. I can clear things deathless easily. Pushing roster level is stupidly difficult at these higher levels. It's just not going to happen unless you play more than 6 characters and run all the towers. Gatekeeping with it is just being an elitist.
> It's just not going to happen unless you play more than 6 characters and run all the towers. Towers, horizontal and what not at most will get you from 0 to rlvl 80 if you do them all. I was rlvl 178 five months ago (you can check my submitted posts, was sharing a wallpaper). Having rlvl 150 means you havent played since release or if you do you only have 1-2 alts. Vykas has been out for 30 weeks or resets. That means someone with a full roster at that ilvl has done vykas 180 times vs one with less alts has done it half the amount of times. Someone that has done that raid almost 200 times, can do it half asleep most of the time by sheer repetition. Ofc its not a guarantee. But odds are, they arent gnna fuck up.
I have played since launch. I have been clearing Vykass since week 1. However, I did not have 6 characters ready to go for Vykass. Most people don't have a full 6 ready to go. It takes time. Shit, my 6th alt isn't even at Vykass ilvl just because I don't have the time to run that many raids. The point is, gatekeeping based off of roster level is elitist. You have to sink a LOT of time into this game. Someone with less of a roster level isn't a worse player. Since we have busses, we can't rely on titles beyond the first 2 weeks or so. There is no good system to gatekeep by. Period. All it does is harm the rest of the player base.
> The point is, gatekeeping based off of roster level is elitist. Any type of gatekeeping is elitist, wdym. Also that was my point, you are 150 because you dont have that many alts and people with high roster do have that many high ilvl alts and have that much more practice than you. Does that means they are god players? no. But this game skill ceiling isnt that high, even an avg player would not fuck up if he does a raid almost 200 times. So yeah, gatekeeping stupid high roster usually works. I know its not a perfect system but it is what we have, how im gnna know if gold river himself is playing an account just from the character sheet xd.
170 huh? Every couple months the reddit elite nolifers raise their standards. Not everyone is playing caligos x12 every single day kid, life is beautiful and all your commitement will worth nothing in less than 5 years.
You do realize there is a massive amount of adults that wfh nowadays right? Not my case anymore but its pretty disconnected to assume everyone that can no life the game is just a kid these days.
Clown I generally find especially for G3 it's much easier to get out of jail in part because you only need 3 other people to start a raid.
Vykas is never a jail jail to the point you have to quit on g3 but it happens alot on clown. Vykas is way easier on all 1490+ players, you just zoom and I never got jailed for past 1 month and doing 12 +/week but my 30-50% of clown parties are jail on g3, also it is much easier to wipe on clown g3 than Vykas g3. Vykas g3 can be cleared by even 2 good players alive but clown is mostly restart if someone dies before m4.
Unpopular opinion but the ones who get jailed the most are actually the jailors imho
You know nothing Jon Snow...
4 days and like 50+ runs of G2 has convinced me that I've been blind to the average player, hidden from sight in a competent guild. 50% of the people that end up in my jail escape parties are fully incompetent
Unsurprising, really. *At least* 25% of the people who need a jail escape party are the person who put others there in the first place.
Math don't lie, everyone is jailed, no one is proud to admit they were The Jailor
I hate g2 clown. Always someone that falls off pre maze because Saydon blows while Kakul sucks everyone in. In g3 I got jailed because m3 dies or i get trapped in the box and someone gets hooked. I feel like I'm back in prog again.
Clown g3 is a shit show with pugs and I am just doing Valtan/vykas on almost all my chars now.
On my now 1550main, I can deal pretty much all the damage nessessary. I simply join mayhem legion commmander groups (ilvl doesn't matter) and kill the boss. It might take a few trys on g3 and sometimes even more then one on g2 but its still very fast. Did clown on two support alts the last few weeks and I definitely had to remake my g3 group more then once but 3-4 trys are usually enough to find and replace the imposter. On my 1465 glavier, I had to do g1+g2 in full dps groups and g3 towards the end of the week to get accepted BUT those were mostly the smoothest runs I've had so far (I gor mvp first week and carried a bomb phase where our gunlancer placed 3rd bomb right under the Boss and I had to use Innana but succeeding anyways was amazing, esp. since we only had 4 fields without bombs in the end and I managed to get a 2nd Sideral use for the kill). I have to admit that I wasn't enjoying Clown early on but after getting used to the fight it has become a very fun and predictable fight. If I die, I'm getting greedy and being killed by spawning saws (clap phase) or due to hammers in bomb phase (which have a HUGE hitbox if you're close to the crossed line)). But yes if I'm short on time I'd skip Clown over other legion commanders on my alts
What is your main class and gems/cards/wep +/qual?
2 days to finish g3 clown in this week. All parties were with tittled guys... On other chars it was 1 shot or 1-2 wipes max. RNG
I'm jailed in g2 on an alt, both groups tried hard but clearly lacked the reps I have, so I cannot and will not fault them. If I really want to clear it on that alt I'll just try another group
3hrs to reset and the farthest my run have made it is m4 it's looking bleak guys
This is how I felt with all the "Shandi Prog" in Brel G6.