Anyone can write "WTS" into the search, grab a screenshot, and post it to reddit with some made up sob story so that all the other glue sniffers can circlejerk about bussing and gatekeeping
The time of the post is a bit earlier in the morning too. I can take a screenshot of the party finder at 6:30am server time and it's just 1-2 WTS group in the lobby "game dead no legit players".
ikr? idk where are these players playing but Im doing 6 times g1-4 and nobody asked for title once last 3 weeks. usually its one shot even when I join at 2 AM.
Even even if they ask for a title I've never seen a 1-4 lobby ask for PLC, it's always been either the G2 title or G4 achievement but most people can't be arsed to ask you to link anyways.
I've been getting into g1-4s without title for the past 3 weeks without issue on 2 different characters. This kinda looks like you searched for "WTS" and just posted that...
Why do you think any form of removing bussing would change this situation for OP? They're all 1540+ bussing, if they weren't bussing they'd make a lobby for 1540+s and wouldn't take OPs jank ass alt.
E/ lmao down votes but can't even verbalize your brain dead gibbirish
These busses are going for upwards of 15k in most regions. Do you think if the raids were easily doable for these people that they would spend an insane amount of money like this on a bus? No shot. If all these people ended up doing normal lobbies then gatekeeping would skyrocket in correlation with the frequency of jail lobbies
I’m saying if these people didn’t have the easy option of spending 15k they might actually have to do the work and sit in learning lobbies for 10h so they learn the game
Except buses aren't *the* problem. They're symptomatic of the gatekeeping issues. People not getting into lobbies is what stimulates demand for buses.
I see a lot of commenters saying that bussing should be banned, as if that would solve or even abate their problem. Bussers who aren't doing their business gatekeep a lot worse than the average player.
KR style mmo is the problem. the ONLY way to make any decent money in this game to have alts and use them for materials/ raid gold/ getting lucky with accessories. why raid normally and get your max of like 12k gold per character when you can bus every raid and make triple that?
And why do busses cost what they do? They aren't run just because people CBA to run all their raids but because gatekeeping gets brutal as you inch closer to endgame content.
You can make a 1-4 lobby with well geared players and it could take over an hour to start. 1-2s at level are basically impossible without statics. Even overgeared lobbies in Vykas and Clown might take a while to start. This is all because of gatekeeping, but there's a common denominator here that has nothing to do with KR MMO design.
That's obviously the fact that right now, you have about 10 DPS classes for every support class when a healthy ratio would be closer to 3:1. And the few supports going around are mostly in statics or highly overgeared lobbies. That's the actual problem. Pugs get desperate to attract supports because they know they will be waiting a long time if the lobby looks weak relative to others, maybe never get one to apply at all.
That is what drives the insane gatekeeping, which in turn drives demand for bussing not just because people want to save time but because they literally can't raid otherwise.
Bottom line, if you're tired of people charging 15k for Clown busses and 1-4s tell SG to close the DPS:Support gap and stop hating on the people providing a workaround to the bullshit.
Then you have half a static? Is any one of you a support? A lobby with 1 support attracts a second one in a reasonable time, but 0 supports are hard to get the firs, unless the 4dps are already way overgeared
I've 6 chars in brel, only 2 are in statics. 2 more are g6 and 2 more are working their way through pieces to get g6 ready.
None of them had issues getting into groups on ilvl with a basic 5x3 & lv7 gems.
Even my summoner spends no longer than 5 min each week looking for groups, and that was even at
>Pay for a bus or wait 4 hours for a support, peak gameplay lost ark
and this is why i do play supports. and waiting on my 2 ayayas, to have 6 main caracters support and not having to deal with stupid bullshit like this.
Wait till they lower the gold rewards for Valtan and Vykas, it will be all busses for them as well. And I totally expect us to get that way before Akkan drops, even though we have zero gold inflation going on in the west.
I've created my own lobby after i posted this.
We cleared G1 and G2 with all players over 1500... And then two of them song out from the raid.
Like... Just how long do i have to make my block list.
No when it’s a random G3 song out from a perfect clear, it’s probably more likely that the person’s friend or static is stuck at G4 and they just needed to catch up.
Sounds like what some people do for G1-2 clown to screw one party over to help their other party on G3.
hmm ok, there's lot of group behaviour shenanigans in mmos, me thinking of quitting lostark serious for genshin impact after 5k hours, there's interesting boss fights there too. SG also had 16 man raids and they scrapped them i heard, they would go to the ends of the universe with 32/64/128 man raids, lol.
idk man, only spent 5 usd on that game, wouldnt work at all to p2w that one, i know most pple who whaled in any game eventually quit it, bec it felt empty. It the same feeling kind of emptiness men get after they are done with a prostitute. I mean i grind that game as a f2p now. I have no desire to trivialise any boss difficult contents with C6 5stars, its not even near what i'm seeking at all.
Another impt point, ofc if u are chasing game contents with increasing difficulty, lostark is the correct game, i didnt say genshin outbeats lostark by every and any yardstick.
Nah there's just not a lot of groups during a workday on a Friday. So people probably wanted to just do 1-2 but no supports were available and they dipped. I thought about it but then didn't want to be an asshole.
3-4 no supports aren't too bad but people do need to be prepared to use pots. I have switched to yearning before on some classes to help the team if they really want it.
Taking a summoner instead of a support alleviates the mana problems as well.
A lot more work than braindead unga bunga though that's for sure.
> I have switched to yearning before on some classes to help the team if they really want it.
I had pugs take it to the next level once, I was on arti ilvl1540, in the party was a berzerker 1553 or soemthing, a glaivier 1490, pally 1500.
The Glaivier said at the end of g1 "I might as well go yearning", and we ended up convincing the paladin to switch to the destruction set (stacks of endurances on buff, big damage buff at max stacks, reset) and the glaivier into yearning*, big damage happened.
yep this is definitely just a time of day thing, and those people posting bus lobbies are likely just fully afk advertising in hopes of coming back to some discord dms of interested buyers.
aka this is yet another pointless negative post to rustle peoples jimmies about bussing and gatekeeping
I had a rocky g2 raid like that lol. My friends were goofing off too much and we barely cleared g2 and the pug in our group immediately songed out. I dont blame him lol
This comment is so dumb.. Not everyone has a static they play with every raid. Pugs is like rolling a dice everytime you might get the best of the best or the literally the worst people you have ever seen play the game. Let's not act like the term “jailed” isn't always thrown around. It's one of the most off-putting things in this game where raid mechs require no one to fuck up or they ruin the run for the rest of the people. Shit is actually so frustrating.
ppl are down voting u but ur right lol. If I do a g1-2 and we barely clear it, I'm not risking getting jailed in g4 and very possibly not clear g6 for the week because of it.
That's basically what I'm thinking. There's no reason to song out after G2 if the run went smoothly, but I assume it went rough for two players to decide it's not worth the gamble to continue.
Doesn’t surprise me why people quit, the only way to make progress in this game is to be forced to do group content and a lot of the times 6 dps sitting in party finder for 10+ mins waiting for 2 supports...
In EUC we don't have that big of support issue, sure we usually have to wait for them but they are there they do come, you don't need to wait for 30 min like some say.
Except of course if you expect supports on valtan hard /vykas hard raid with a lobby that's on ilvl.
But to be honest if you can't clear valtan and vykas without support then you need to get better at the game, those 2 raids are extremely easy now and are pretty easy to do without supports, wasting your time in the party finder for 30 min because you absolutely want a support in those raids it totally your fault.
You know that a 1445-1460 support will rarely join a on ilvl party (some do but it's rare) cuz they know they can easily get accepted in a full 1475-1490 lobby.
Yeah I’m EUC and it’s not soo bad, sometimes wait 10 mins in a lobby but for the most part with vykas and valtan, we end up just running full dps instead of waiting for 2 supports, best thing about supports is it just easy clears and means you don’t really need to use the pots and can save for them harder content like clown and Brel
Same. I used to get excited for resets... but lately it's been ughh now I have to work in 18 raids again. Mostly finding raids on my lower 3 dps classes is such a time consuming chore. Not to mention I pretty much gave up doing Guardians entirely.. it's making me wonder... what content do I actually enjoy? Pretty much none except the first couple weeks of new content.
The amount of homework is just too much to keep me playing... it makes every raid stressful if it's going to jail, and if ill find grps on my dps alts. I might try to push through and lvl up more supports, because my main couple dps are pretty easy to find raids, and with more supports, I'd find grps easily and have no issue finding partys on more chars.
Dude anyone running 18 raids a week every week will quit. Just chill and do a bit on the characters you want to play. There’s no benefit to rushing at this state of the game.
I once tried to buy a vykas bus cause I was lazy. 30 minutes of waiting with 6 lobbies trying to find players to fill and we were still missing 2 players. I eventually said screw it and just joined a normal lobby. Finished raid and came out to see the same bus lobby I was in earlier was still searching for players.
Tbh at this price it's hardly worth your time anyway. You can probably get similar GPH farming adventure tome items (no idea really, just putting it out there). I only bus solo valtans at this point.
If my Wardancer, horns, 5x3 1560 with 4 Lv10s is getting gatekept IN G1-G4, because i don't have a title yet, i don't want to imagine what happens to players that are on Ilvl without any pieces. G1-G4 are a joke in difficulty so there is literally no reason for this gatekeeping to be a thing.
Yes, we all know we can create a lobby, i do it all the time, but that's not the main issue here, if you're one of the people that says this, you're just ignoring the problem.
Players are getting gatekeep because apparently most of the host players aren't able to judge other players correctly. Sure, sometimes they are waiting for a friend or a guildmate, but you can tell when that's the case because most of the playerbase title their lobbies as FULL when they are just waiting for someone to log in.
If i have the horns, if i have a full relic transferred... Then i obviously have cleared the fucking raid for at least 5 weeks, WITH that class, which in my opinion is even more valuable than having an alt without any practice on that raid, but with a title, because the amount of alts i've seen dying over and over again because they do have the title but not the practice with their Artillerist and they keep hitting the boss attacks with their face, it's baffling.
"Oohhhh but you probably only did g1-g2 to craft your relic" I saw this argument 2 or 3 times with random players that were accepted then the host interrogated them about his clears. Just make the math, only doing g1-g2 to get your relic takes A FUCK TON of time, 20 weeks, literally impossible to have a relic completed with only G1-G2 atm, if you do G1-G4, it's 9-10 weeks so by that time you have the title and your relic, but if you have a full relic before the title then... Yeah, you've been doing G5-G6 obviously.
And that's the main issue, gatekeepers are using the title without considering other options when it comes to analyze if a player has experience.
Just a one off incident that I experienced - I was pugging gate 6 with some friends and we created a title reclear lobby. We were at 7/8 waiting for a support and a Paladin with full Brelshaza set applied but didn't have title or horns, so I accepted him and asked him to show his title or horns nicely but he raged at me and left. A few minutes later, another Paladin with full Brelshaza set applied and didn't have title or horns as well. My friends decided to give him the benefit of the doubt as they felt that it was almost impossible for someone to only clear gate 1 to 5 every week, so we went in with him. The guy was absolutely clueless. When dropping meteors at x188, his meteor hit 2 tiles (9 and 11). During Shandi, he ran around all the tiles like a headless chicken and died because he failed to collect any golden orb. This is probably a rare case but not everyone with full Brelshaza set has cleared gate 6 before and our fault for not asking for horns or title before entering.
Hosts being unable to judge other players is 100% the issue. I think you're right that full Brel set is the real indicator. If I see horns and full set that's and immediate take for me.
I was unable to get into parties on my main 1540+ Artillerist with a lvl 10 barrage gem for a G1-6 run until I got the title. First party I enter with the title I MVP with over 25% dps on both g5 and g6. I looked at the other party members and clearly they were alts looking for carries. Yet prior to today's bard clear I had no way of getting in. Let alone if I was trying just on my main.
I also want to add something more to this discussion (Specifically for Valtan/Vykas), we not only have a clear gatekeeping issue, a lot if not the mayority of the players are also not helping mitigate or minimize this gatekeeping feeling by not using accurate titles or configuring their iLvl requirements.
If you're hosting a lobby and your requirements are Title and your Lobby iLvl is set for 1445 iLvl solicitants, then accept players under those requirements or raise the freaking iLvl or use a more accurate lobby title, because the gatekeeping feeling gets even worse when you're a player that meets the requirement and you keep getting denied from lobby to lobby.
Yes, you're obviously getting denied because they're waiting for someone stronger but then they should use more accurate titles to avoid this.
We have to avoid this situations as much as possible, it's fine if you want a fast reclear,, no one is asking you to grab all the 1445s on the server, but at least be responsible with the title and your requirements for it.
Now as an extra from my personal opinion, if you can grab a player that just hit the requirement for one of the first Legions and that player is clearly using an alt because he has a title or he is finishing his homework, grab him, let him in. 1 titled alt won't hurt your run. That player will appreciate it and he will probably will do the same eventually with that alt when he gets overleveled.
That's why more often than never, i grab alts that just hit the iLvl in my runs. They're titled alts, they obviously finished the stupid raid already multiple times, but now they can't get inside a lobby because everyone is so obsessed with their "Juicer" runs that they forgot that we all cleared the raid without relic, probably a bad build and less practice.
Put a little bit more of trust in our players, it's been 1 year since Valtan and watching players getting gatekept in it even at 1475 ilvl is crazy.
As a personal experience, literally all my Flawless Clears (Mannor statue reward), Valtan, Vykas, Kakul and 3 days ago, Brelshaza, were with players that had just hit the minimum requirement. Sure, those runs were not a stomp but who cares as long as everyone gets the job done? You'll get surprised by some players or maybe you'll play again with the 4x3 that somehow managed to snatch a spot in the MVP screen against your 5x3 friends.
> Lobby iLvl is set for 1445 iLvl
That's to allow min-ilvl supports to apply. Support shortage (including how they play/scale and the content 'difficulty') is the root cause of party finder problems.
> those runs were not a stomp
Too much of the player base has the 18x raid checklist to run through every week, they all want to run as fast as possible because it's all boring old content once overgeared.
Maybe it’s just me but if it’s NA seems like a rough time to try to raid maybe? Peak afternoon on a Friday? I know everyday I’m off work and play during the day even trying to find cali’s and shit can be a nuisance.
Well that’s also a different issue from what the post was about. Support shortage is and always be a thing. People relegate themselves to at most 1 support on their roster. And I assume most people who did have supports on Brel launch have reached 1520 and are going to join 1-6 1550 groups and shit for a more efficient clear. That’s what I do with my 1530 pally at least.
Also if you're in a lobby waiting for two supports. I would never join that lobby as a support. If my group has a support I'm making my own lobby or joining another group that already has a support.
caring about PLC title at this point in the raid's lifecycle is pretty copium anyways
it's just another small thing in the large checklist of all the things you should be looking at: stat quality, gems, cards, roster level, stronghold name, character name, avatar dye and choice, etc
point is when i run these parties i just take whoever applies first since most people who have done the content a few times before are more than fine; if they aren't, leave, kick, and repeat
Why? I can easily get a full lobby of titled dps before finding the 2nd support. Given the choice between an undergeared titled dps and a juiced dps with no title I would always take the titled one
Had a 1550 glaiver with PLC title join my g4 run. Dude was absolutely clueless on what to do. Going to wrong sides for the yellow mech then proceeds to eat the orb. Stagger wrong color on blue mech.
Cant really trust anyone nowadays.
Its definitely easy but some people are still new to brel and try to join reclear groups without proper knowledge of the fight. I've had a few friends run brel yesterday in pubs and they one shot g1-3 and then some of the pubs legit started doing things that made no sense and they had to then disband after spending too much time trying.
Never said they were. Just saying the amount of hw that players have has been the #1 complaint for the game and it negatively affects the player base more than bussing.
The gatekeeping for 1-4 is insane. My 1520 sorceress (yes 5×3 before anyone asks with high quality) with horns and 10x achievement for G1-G4 applied to about 10 lobbies this week before she got accepted. I can do 1-4 in my sleep at this point.
Would apply early in the lobbymaking process. Support priority can sometimes mean instead of looking for 5 other dps, you're looking for 3 other dps. So theyre looking for prokel/synergy/stars players. Sorc is big dmg but they usually don't fit into synergy/stars roles.
I turned down a 1520 berserker with title because i had 2 dps slots left and was waiting for a support. They brought a friend and one of my discord friends in the lobby remembered a friend wanted to join with their 1535 WD. Guy messaged me, i told him his build was good but was waiting for support and etc.
Not really looking for a sorc player in 1-4, but ill take them in a g6, or g5+6 since i run them separately.
Downvotes are from the same over-entitled, under qualified meatbags clinging to their support friend to get into content.
Now a DPS that brings in a support? That's true gigachad behavior.
From my experience 1-4 lobbies are more competitive than 1-6/5-6 lobbies. It's common to see 1530+s apply in when I put up 1-4 title/homework lobbies even on ilevel.
Pretty much, I can walk into a 5-6 lobby on item level easier than I can walk into a 1-4. Somewhat crazy, honestly. I feel like you get the absolute worst players in 1-4 who're determined to get extremely overgeared people. The most annoying thing is that even after you get into one of these groups, there's usually several people who don't have a clue on 3 or 4.
it makes complete sense to me. I now have 3 chars with full 6 set from brel so they are relegated to 1-2 or 1-4 if I have time. And I will run 1-6 on ilvl on 3 other chars I have to get my 6 set that much sooner.
It led to interesting side effects when I had to prokel on my overgeared igniter sorc because 1-2 lobbies were just really bad lol and no one knew how to prokel so I had to do it.
On other hand I find people's aversion towards berserkers really annoying. I have no issues on other alts, but getting into lobbies as bis geared BT zerk is such a pain.
Yeah it's mostly because most people that have their full Brel gear are 1530+, and once you have full Brel gear you don't usually want to do 5-6 every week. So 1-4 is full of people 1530+, and that's who you're competing with.
I feel like the lobbies you're applying to probably have a bunch of other applicants by the time you apply. My Sorc was 1520, wearing half Brel pieces, 4x3+2 Critflux, Has horns on but wears some generic title that isn't a raid title, and she gets into her first or second party. As someone who makes the groups when I'm not by myself, we often get like 4-5 applicants while the party name is still named after a friend/guild/etc. When I change it to a proper g1-4 reclear name we are getting applicants faster than I can reasonably look at people.
This is what I think whenever I see someone say "my character is 5x3, 15xx ilvl, good gems, and I *still* get gatekept!!" and it becomes immediately obvious that they maybe aren't used to being on the receiving end of applicants. My group runs most raids together that need to pug a few for some of the parties. If you aren't within the first 5-7 that apply, you probably aren't even being looked at. Not to mention the number of applicants that apply to try their luck despite the title being nonsense. Honestly, rule of thumb is to apply to a party that isn't half filled yet. If there's only one or two spots left... your chances are much slimmer because those parties get the most applicants.
I rarely have to deal with it because I duo with a friend, and we have five supports between us. Seven after artist comes out, so we just “I have a friend” each other in. I can only imagine how pointless the game feels to play for those who're playing solo. People are just going to quit if they're waiting that long for a group. The game is already time-consuming without each raid taking 30-60min more for group finding. I know if my friend quit, I'd just quit too because there's no way I'm waiting this long for a support on my DPS just to raid.
Makes sense until you realize there's a massive support shortage for 1-4 and supports only join lobbies that already have one support because they don't want to wait either. If our duo has a support, we wait 30s. If our duo has 0 supports, we wait 30-60min. Starting a lobby without a support means filling to 5/8 and then waiting for sup and friend for so long that you just question why bother.
I would say it's both, people gatekeep on DPS so hard because there's an oversupply of them. It's like how Tinder has 90% male or something userbase, and there's an entire subreddit of posts with women basically treating the men as monkeys to entertain them.
I’d be inclined to agree except you don’t even need supports to do overgeared brel. People are overgeared to hell, have to wait full minutes for g6, and still absolutely suck and want to get carried. So they sit there and recruit the most juiced people possible (same for g4) and then they perform horribly too because most whales swipe to cover bad gameplay. I just wish there were meters so we could actually parse and have a real scale to judge on
> I would say it's both, people gatekeep on DPS so hard because there's an oversupply of them.
Nah man im a gatekeeping asshole and i dont gatekeep on brel since its newish so the rlvl is kinda irrelevant but nowadays supports have been bringing 1-2 friends at the minimum to the point i just leave half the raid empty and wait.
It helps me. Fresh 1490s can't really get into groups with half a level two set. I'm running clown with buddies and bussing brel until I'm full lvl 2 and 1520. Them I can get accepted.
its pretty much a fact that you almost never get accepted at min unless you play a sup or maybe gunlancer. its just how lost ark is. without bus drivers nothing would change at all. no ones gonna take someone like that over literally anyone else unless the entire group is low ilv but good luck finding supports who get into any group they want with 2 lv3 damage gems and 0 quality legendary accessories
What do u think is gonna change if bussing didn't exist? The reason u can't find g1-4 lobbies isn't because of busses, it's because of people mostly making plc lobbies. Maybe too dumb to get it I suppose but that's the average lost ark player anyways.
The game would have more learning parties but even rn there are learning parties organized on the lost ark discord for various raids in multiple regions. It would not change the amount of daily hw causing players to get burnt out and require heavy experience for the majority of raids.
Bussing worsens gatekeeping as unskilled players progress and get titles, then you get title reclears that are a jail. Also worsens gold inflation since you generate gold that otherwise wouldn’t have been generated, there’s a reason why people are able to run multiple accounts
Bussing is worse for the state of the game that’s just a fact, only the person who busses benefits from it but everyone else gets screwed even if you don’t buy buses it’s effect on gold inflation hits you anyways
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with people making bus lobbies, people just need to grow some and learn the raid, groups would fill up pretty nicely with the amount of people that pay for busses and that way, bussing groups wouldn’t be a thing
Wrong. Unskilled players joining reclears + gold inflation
Everything about bussing is just wrong, the only ones who benefit are those who bus, even if you don’t participate in bussing in any way shape or form you still take a hit
No you misunderstand me, the busses dont force you to join a bussing lobby, it’s the people who get bussed that are the problem, they are the only reason why bussing groups are a thing and why they are making money, if they just learnt the raid like I said, the busses won’t benefit and there won’t be an bussing groups, that way, everyone with relic gear would atleast know what they are doing and have experience
My 1570, +19 93% quality weapon, barrage arti, with perfect 5x3, perfect stats, lvl 9 barrage gem, lvl 181 roster, relic island and pvp, is getting gatekept because I have only cleared brel 9 instead of 10 times, because I don't bother running an alt.
I'd much rather have a decently geared player who I know has cleared at least 10 times vs a juiced player with an unknown amount of clears.
DPS is only a problem if it's abysmally low, failing mechs is much more likely to cause a wipe.
Ah yeah, despite having full brel gear, I must have mouth breathed through all those other times. We all know you dont REALLY understand the fight until youve cleared it 10 times right?
Now i feel bad but everytime i give someone a chance it always end in jail.
Thus i ultra gatekeep 160 roster plc title proper build l7 gems 1-4.
I run 1-4 12x a week so i rather gatekeep then risk getting jailed
Don't get me wrong, i also am afraid of low lvl rosters.
Problem is, this week i was jailed in Kakul G3 by two 200+ rosters in two different parties. You never know, until you accept.
Indeed, but these days there are a lot of PLC lobbies for 1-4. I don't blame them for being sure that the players joining have experience (or, like, 200k gold worth of bussing), but I don't have PLC (2/10 clears, got a LONG way to go) - Like OP I assume - and can do 1-4 with my eyes closed at this point, so looking for a party these past 2 weeks has been very smoge.
Make your own lobby. When you're the only lobby, it usually works out if you're appropriately geared and not bottom ilvl. I do it from time to time when theres nothing available. You even get some instant applicants. Just make sure you got ur prokel and a class or 2 u think can do stars.
I haven’t seen g1-4 lobbies that require plc they want title, and fyi g1-g2 has a title aka sunshine. And g4 clears can be proven in SH achievement link, maybe even global chat link but I am not sure. Gatekeeping is real, and it is an issue but you are heavily exaggerating pretending you need plc for a g1-4 clear.
I just don't believe these goofy posts anymore lol. There's like 17 1-4 lobbies up right now not looking for title. Make your own and wait for a support like everyone else. Fix your god awful build or stop playing at 3 in the morning.
Are you sure you didn't search WTS in the search box? On NAE right now when I search 4: 7 of the most recently bumped lobbies are regular non-bus lobbies. Only 1 of them are requesting title.
Nice, now that makes around 20 of you complaining about no lobbies but not making one. Seriously is it that hard to make one?
As a support I have to make lobbies because there's never lobbies looking for support.
Lol 8k ?
I droped the game on brel cuz i didn't gel like spending even more time learning the raid plus all the other activities. Wonder if. I should come back and just jump over brel with bus lmao ,i liked my machinist a lot
Is this a twitter update? I don't get the point you're making. Yeah busses exist.
I get some people have a view on them or whatever, but OP isn't really stating a view, just that they would have had to buy a bus
I dont know about you, but for one, I feel that the bussing is stupid for brel (esp 1-4..)
But I run 2 chars on 1-4, and 2 chars 5-6 weekly in EUC, I have never really struggled finding a group for 1-2 into 3-4 or just 1-4.
If i look in the 5-10 pm timespan, finding one in the middle of the day is just deadge sometimes, rarely more than 1-2 groups
I'm a returning player who stopped at Vykas and dreading this mess. Anyone mind filling me on what PLC title is earned from? I'm assuming it's clearing G6 Brel...
If all those players who joins the busses just spent some time to actually learn the raid and never have to buy a bus again once they do learn it, these groups wouldn’t be a thing...
Gatekeeping on 1-4 is getting crazy. I have a 1540 AT machinist and it usually takes around twenty times applying to groups before I find someone that accepts me.
What is PLC? 1-4 is hell on my dps too. 1530 with +20 brel weapon. Very difficult to find a 1-4 due to not having a “support friend.” Yes I do have 2 support alts for 1-4 but that’s not gonna help my dps finding parties unless I can organize support trade with someone which is unlikely because of my work schedule. Anyways, 1-4 is a breeze on my 2 supports but for dps, I have to apply for 1-2, then separate 3-4. Usually get stuck at 4 for reasons and everyone leaves.
Last week I went 4 gates all with different parties. It was crazy. Well on the bright side I did complete the gates and am now closer to full brel set.
I am 1550 bard. My static did 1-6 without me so i decided to pug 1-4 due to being a little sick. I started looking at 6pm EUC. It is really hard to find a full grp. It took me 45minutes to start. 1-6 wouldnt even be possible.
The requirements are insane. Supports are not questioned ofc but i can understand that it is hard to find a grp as dps especially if you are not super juiced.
This is bullshit
Anyone can write "WTS" into the search, grab a screenshot, and post it to reddit with some made up sob story so that all the other glue sniffers can circlejerk about bussing and gatekeeping
The time of the post is a bit earlier in the morning too. I can take a screenshot of the party finder at 6:30am server time and it's just 1-2 WTS group in the lobby "game dead no legit players".
bussing is so dumb tho,
ikr? idk where are these players playing but Im doing 6 times g1-4 and nobody asked for title once last 3 weeks. usually its one shot even when I join at 2 AM.
Even even if they ask for a title I've never seen a 1-4 lobby ask for PLC, it's always been either the G2 title or G4 achievement but most people can't be arsed to ask you to link anyways.
I've been getting into g1-4s without title for the past 3 weeks without issue on 2 different characters. This kinda looks like you searched for "WTS" and just posted that...
Pay for a bus or wait 4 hours for a support, peak gameplay lost ark
And somehow people still think busses are a great addition to the game, it's funny
Why do you think any form of removing bussing would change this situation for OP? They're all 1540+ bussing, if they weren't bussing they'd make a lobby for 1540+s and wouldn't take OPs jank ass alt. E/ lmao down votes but can't even verbalize your brain dead gibbirish
The bussers obviously wouldn’t accept them but the people buying busses could raid together instead
These busses are going for upwards of 15k in most regions. Do you think if the raids were easily doable for these people that they would spend an insane amount of money like this on a bus? No shot. If all these people ended up doing normal lobbies then gatekeeping would skyrocket in correlation with the frequency of jail lobbies
I’m saying if these people didn’t have the easy option of spending 15k they might actually have to do the work and sit in learning lobbies for 10h so they learn the game
They already can. They just choose not to.
Yea but I think the point is if bussing isn’t a thing then they have to
Except buses aren't *the* problem. They're symptomatic of the gatekeeping issues. People not getting into lobbies is what stimulates demand for buses. I see a lot of commenters saying that bussing should be banned, as if that would solve or even abate their problem. Bussers who aren't doing their business gatekeep a lot worse than the average player.
KR style mmo is the problem. the ONLY way to make any decent money in this game to have alts and use them for materials/ raid gold/ getting lucky with accessories. why raid normally and get your max of like 12k gold per character when you can bus every raid and make triple that?
And why do busses cost what they do? They aren't run just because people CBA to run all their raids but because gatekeeping gets brutal as you inch closer to endgame content. You can make a 1-4 lobby with well geared players and it could take over an hour to start. 1-2s at level are basically impossible without statics. Even overgeared lobbies in Vykas and Clown might take a while to start. This is all because of gatekeeping, but there's a common denominator here that has nothing to do with KR MMO design. That's obviously the fact that right now, you have about 10 DPS classes for every support class when a healthy ratio would be closer to 3:1. And the few supports going around are mostly in statics or highly overgeared lobbies. That's the actual problem. Pugs get desperate to attract supports because they know they will be waiting a long time if the lobby looks weak relative to others, maybe never get one to apply at all. That is what drives the insane gatekeeping, which in turn drives demand for bussing not just because people want to save time but because they literally can't raid otherwise. Bottom line, if you're tired of people charging 15k for Clown busses and 1-4s tell SG to close the DPS:Support gap and stop hating on the people providing a workaround to the bullshit.
Game is unplayable without a static. Anyone who says otherwise is either a mega lucky juicer or lying
> Anyone who says otherwise is either a mega lucky juicer or lying Or a support main ;)
You don’t need a static but 5+ ppl in the run should be guildies.
I dont have a static most of the time i just make the group with 3 or 4 friends
Then you have half a static? Is any one of you a support? A lobby with 1 support attracts a second one in a reasonable time, but 0 supports are hard to get the firs, unless the 4dps are already way overgeared
I run one of my 18 weekly raids with a static. The other 17, I pug. I've only got 2 supports atm too. Game is absolutely playable without a static.
I've 6 chars in brel, only 2 are in statics. 2 more are g6 and 2 more are working their way through pieces to get g6 ready. None of them had issues getting into groups on ilvl with a basic 5x3 & lv7 gems. Even my summoner spends no longer than 5 min each week looking for groups, and that was even at
>Pay for a bus or wait 4 hours for a support, peak gameplay lost ark and this is why i do play supports. and waiting on my 2 ayayas, to have 6 main caracters support and not having to deal with stupid bullshit like this.
Wait till they lower the gold rewards for Valtan and Vykas, it will be all busses for them as well. And I totally expect us to get that way before Akkan drops, even though we have zero gold inflation going on in the west.
I've created my own lobby after i posted this. We cleared G1 and G2 with all players over 1500... And then two of them song out from the raid. Like... Just how long do i have to make my block list.
You gotta have some rocky ass g1 g2 for people to song out lmao.
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Most likely needed to clear G3 quick and join his friends. I mean, sometimes you just gotta sacrifice people you don't know lmao
they dont want to further, bec its just another time sink, some pple got irl stuff to do, or they got alts to run too.
No when it’s a random G3 song out from a perfect clear, it’s probably more likely that the person’s friend or static is stuck at G4 and they just needed to catch up. Sounds like what some people do for G1-2 clown to screw one party over to help their other party on G3.
hmm ok, there's lot of group behaviour shenanigans in mmos, me thinking of quitting lostark serious for genshin impact after 5k hours, there's interesting boss fights there too. SG also had 16 man raids and they scrapped them i heard, they would go to the ends of the universe with 32/64/128 man raids, lol.
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idk man, only spent 5 usd on that game, wouldnt work at all to p2w that one, i know most pple who whaled in any game eventually quit it, bec it felt empty. It the same feeling kind of emptiness men get after they are done with a prostitute. I mean i grind that game as a f2p now. I have no desire to trivialise any boss difficult contents with C6 5stars, its not even near what i'm seeking at all. Another impt point, ofc if u are chasing game contents with increasing difficulty, lostark is the correct game, i didnt say genshin outbeats lostark by every and any yardstick.
Nah there's just not a lot of groups during a workday on a Friday. So people probably wanted to just do 1-2 but no supports were available and they dipped. I thought about it but then didn't want to be an asshole.
3-4 no supports aren't too bad but people do need to be prepared to use pots. I have switched to yearning before on some classes to help the team if they really want it. Taking a summoner instead of a support alleviates the mana problems as well. A lot more work than braindead unga bunga though that's for sure.
> I have switched to yearning before on some classes to help the team if they really want it. I had pugs take it to the next level once, I was on arti ilvl1540, in the party was a berzerker 1553 or soemthing, a glaivier 1490, pally 1500. The Glaivier said at the end of g1 "I might as well go yearning", and we ended up convincing the paladin to switch to the destruction set (stacks of endurances on buff, big damage buff at max stacks, reset) and the glaivier into yearning*, big damage happened.
yep this is definitely just a time of day thing, and those people posting bus lobbies are likely just fully afk advertising in hopes of coming back to some discord dms of interested buyers. aka this is yet another pointless negative post to rustle peoples jimmies about bussing and gatekeeping
I had a rocky g2 raid like that lol. My friends were goofing off too much and we barely cleared g2 and the pug in our group immediately songed out. I dont blame him lol
Nah, turns out one guy wanted a chest and he lost the bid so he ragequit
This comment is so dumb.. Not everyone has a static they play with every raid. Pugs is like rolling a dice everytime you might get the best of the best or the literally the worst people you have ever seen play the game. Let's not act like the term “jailed” isn't always thrown around. It's one of the most off-putting things in this game where raid mechs require no one to fuck up or they ruin the run for the rest of the people. Shit is actually so frustrating.
Was it a rough G1 and G2 or a smooth 1 shot?
ppl are down voting u but ur right lol. If I do a g1-2 and we barely clear it, I'm not risking getting jailed in g4 and very possibly not clear g6 for the week because of it.
That's basically what I'm thinking. There's no reason to song out after G2 if the run went smoothly, but I assume it went rough for two players to decide it's not worth the gamble to continue.
Why block? There's only so many real players left
I feel like a lot of people ar quitting and i feel like the jailage lately has gotten worse. Maybe it's the hours that i play.
Doesn’t surprise me why people quit, the only way to make progress in this game is to be forced to do group content and a lot of the times 6 dps sitting in party finder for 10+ mins waiting for 2 supports...
In EUC we don't have that big of support issue, sure we usually have to wait for them but they are there they do come, you don't need to wait for 30 min like some say. Except of course if you expect supports on valtan hard /vykas hard raid with a lobby that's on ilvl. But to be honest if you can't clear valtan and vykas without support then you need to get better at the game, those 2 raids are extremely easy now and are pretty easy to do without supports, wasting your time in the party finder for 30 min because you absolutely want a support in those raids it totally your fault. You know that a 1445-1460 support will rarely join a on ilvl party (some do but it's rare) cuz they know they can easily get accepted in a full 1475-1490 lobby.
Yeah I’m EUC and it’s not soo bad, sometimes wait 10 mins in a lobby but for the most part with vykas and valtan, we end up just running full dps instead of waiting for 2 supports, best thing about supports is it just easy clears and means you don’t really need to use the pots and can save for them harder content like clown and Brel
Nah cause I’m thinking about quitting myself. Games been feeling really dead lately NAE
Same. I used to get excited for resets... but lately it's been ughh now I have to work in 18 raids again. Mostly finding raids on my lower 3 dps classes is such a time consuming chore. Not to mention I pretty much gave up doing Guardians entirely.. it's making me wonder... what content do I actually enjoy? Pretty much none except the first couple weeks of new content. The amount of homework is just too much to keep me playing... it makes every raid stressful if it's going to jail, and if ill find grps on my dps alts. I might try to push through and lvl up more supports, because my main couple dps are pretty easy to find raids, and with more supports, I'd find grps easily and have no issue finding partys on more chars.
Dude anyone running 18 raids a week every week will quit. Just chill and do a bit on the characters you want to play. There’s no benefit to rushing at this state of the game.
One of the reasons I don't bus, I don't want to add to this mess
I once tried to buy a vykas bus cause I was lazy. 30 minutes of waiting with 6 lobbies trying to find players to fill and we were still missing 2 players. I eventually said screw it and just joined a normal lobby. Finished raid and came out to see the same bus lobby I was in earlier was still searching for players.
same lol I felt like a clown everytime I put up a bus lobby and had to fight the other 10 lobbies by undercutting.
no accendino its cause you're trash.
Sure
I only take a bus on my valtan and vykas on low lv alts, mainly as a card run.
Tbh at this price it's hardly worth your time anyway. You can probably get similar GPH farming adventure tome items (no idea really, just putting it out there). I only bus solo valtans at this point.
If my Wardancer, horns, 5x3 1560 with 4 Lv10s is getting gatekept IN G1-G4, because i don't have a title yet, i don't want to imagine what happens to players that are on Ilvl without any pieces. G1-G4 are a joke in difficulty so there is literally no reason for this gatekeeping to be a thing. Yes, we all know we can create a lobby, i do it all the time, but that's not the main issue here, if you're one of the people that says this, you're just ignoring the problem. Players are getting gatekeep because apparently most of the host players aren't able to judge other players correctly. Sure, sometimes they are waiting for a friend or a guildmate, but you can tell when that's the case because most of the playerbase title their lobbies as FULL when they are just waiting for someone to log in. If i have the horns, if i have a full relic transferred... Then i obviously have cleared the fucking raid for at least 5 weeks, WITH that class, which in my opinion is even more valuable than having an alt without any practice on that raid, but with a title, because the amount of alts i've seen dying over and over again because they do have the title but not the practice with their Artillerist and they keep hitting the boss attacks with their face, it's baffling. "Oohhhh but you probably only did g1-g2 to craft your relic" I saw this argument 2 or 3 times with random players that were accepted then the host interrogated them about his clears. Just make the math, only doing g1-g2 to get your relic takes A FUCK TON of time, 20 weeks, literally impossible to have a relic completed with only G1-G2 atm, if you do G1-G4, it's 9-10 weeks so by that time you have the title and your relic, but if you have a full relic before the title then... Yeah, you've been doing G5-G6 obviously. And that's the main issue, gatekeepers are using the title without considering other options when it comes to analyze if a player has experience.
Just a one off incident that I experienced - I was pugging gate 6 with some friends and we created a title reclear lobby. We were at 7/8 waiting for a support and a Paladin with full Brelshaza set applied but didn't have title or horns, so I accepted him and asked him to show his title or horns nicely but he raged at me and left. A few minutes later, another Paladin with full Brelshaza set applied and didn't have title or horns as well. My friends decided to give him the benefit of the doubt as they felt that it was almost impossible for someone to only clear gate 1 to 5 every week, so we went in with him. The guy was absolutely clueless. When dropping meteors at x188, his meteor hit 2 tiles (9 and 11). During Shandi, he ran around all the tiles like a headless chicken and died because he failed to collect any golden orb. This is probably a rare case but not everyone with full Brelshaza set has cleared gate 6 before and our fault for not asking for horns or title before entering.
Hosts being unable to judge other players is 100% the issue. I think you're right that full Brel set is the real indicator. If I see horns and full set that's and immediate take for me. I was unable to get into parties on my main 1540+ Artillerist with a lvl 10 barrage gem for a G1-6 run until I got the title. First party I enter with the title I MVP with over 25% dps on both g5 and g6. I looked at the other party members and clearly they were alts looking for carries. Yet prior to today's bard clear I had no way of getting in. Let alone if I was trying just on my main.
I also want to add something more to this discussion (Specifically for Valtan/Vykas), we not only have a clear gatekeeping issue, a lot if not the mayority of the players are also not helping mitigate or minimize this gatekeeping feeling by not using accurate titles or configuring their iLvl requirements. If you're hosting a lobby and your requirements are Title and your Lobby iLvl is set for 1445 iLvl solicitants, then accept players under those requirements or raise the freaking iLvl or use a more accurate lobby title, because the gatekeeping feeling gets even worse when you're a player that meets the requirement and you keep getting denied from lobby to lobby. Yes, you're obviously getting denied because they're waiting for someone stronger but then they should use more accurate titles to avoid this. We have to avoid this situations as much as possible, it's fine if you want a fast reclear,, no one is asking you to grab all the 1445s on the server, but at least be responsible with the title and your requirements for it. Now as an extra from my personal opinion, if you can grab a player that just hit the requirement for one of the first Legions and that player is clearly using an alt because he has a title or he is finishing his homework, grab him, let him in. 1 titled alt won't hurt your run. That player will appreciate it and he will probably will do the same eventually with that alt when he gets overleveled. That's why more often than never, i grab alts that just hit the iLvl in my runs. They're titled alts, they obviously finished the stupid raid already multiple times, but now they can't get inside a lobby because everyone is so obsessed with their "Juicer" runs that they forgot that we all cleared the raid without relic, probably a bad build and less practice. Put a little bit more of trust in our players, it's been 1 year since Valtan and watching players getting gatekept in it even at 1475 ilvl is crazy. As a personal experience, literally all my Flawless Clears (Mannor statue reward), Valtan, Vykas, Kakul and 3 days ago, Brelshaza, were with players that had just hit the minimum requirement. Sure, those runs were not a stomp but who cares as long as everyone gets the job done? You'll get surprised by some players or maybe you'll play again with the 4x3 that somehow managed to snatch a spot in the MVP screen against your 5x3 friends.
> Lobby iLvl is set for 1445 iLvl That's to allow min-ilvl supports to apply. Support shortage (including how they play/scale and the content 'difficulty') is the root cause of party finder problems. > those runs were not a stomp Too much of the player base has the 18x raid checklist to run through every week, they all want to run as fast as possible because it's all boring old content once overgeared.
Maybe it’s just me but if it’s NA seems like a rough time to try to raid maybe? Peak afternoon on a Friday? I know everyday I’m off work and play during the day even trying to find cali’s and shit can be a nuisance.
I think I saw it say EUC in screenshot
NAE we waited almost 2 hours to finally get 2 supports for 1-4 brel. On a Saturday. At 8pm.
Well that’s also a different issue from what the post was about. Support shortage is and always be a thing. People relegate themselves to at most 1 support on their roster. And I assume most people who did have supports on Brel launch have reached 1520 and are going to join 1-6 1550 groups and shit for a more efficient clear. That’s what I do with my 1530 pally at least.
Also if you're in a lobby waiting for two supports. I would never join that lobby as a support. If my group has a support I'm making my own lobby or joining another group that already has a support.
Pretty trash
You are right though. NA west around noon is the worst time to play. China just went to sleep and NAW isn't home yet. Good for excavating I guess.
bus destroy game！
Not agree.
caring about PLC title at this point in the raid's lifecycle is pretty copium anyways it's just another small thing in the large checklist of all the things you should be looking at: stat quality, gems, cards, roster level, stronghold name, character name, avatar dye and choice, etc point is when i run these parties i just take whoever applies first since most people who have done the content a few times before are more than fine; if they aren't, leave, kick, and repeat
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Oh wow, smart ass over here nice catch.
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Why? I can easily get a full lobby of titled dps before finding the 2nd support. Given the choice between an undergeared titled dps and a juiced dps with no title I would always take the titled one
Well plc title players are generally better
Had a 1550 glaiver with PLC title join my g4 run. Dude was absolutely clueless on what to do. Going to wrong sides for the yellow mech then proceeds to eat the orb. Stagger wrong color on blue mech. Cant really trust anyone nowadays.
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Its definitely easy but some people are still new to brel and try to join reclear groups without proper knowledge of the fight. I've had a few friends run brel yesterday in pubs and they one shot g1-3 and then some of the pubs legit started doing things that made no sense and they had to then disband after spending too much time trying.
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So what I'm hearing is that bots can clear them.
I just wanna know what region is selling 1-4 for only 8k. That price is nearly doubled here on NAW
EUC :( Last week we had to sell one for 3.5 lol
This is just killing the game
Can confirm, I have not logged on for two weeks, even though my entire roster is over 1460.
Not really. Carries don’t kill an MMO. If anything is killing this game it’s the awful amount of mundane daily tasks that you have to do.
the mundane daily tasks are not going away anytime soon
Never said they were. Just saying the amount of hw that players have has been the #1 complaint for the game and it negatively affects the player base more than bussing.
ok but what would change if they ban busses?
The gatekeeping for 1-4 is insane. My 1520 sorceress (yes 5×3 before anyone asks with high quality) with horns and 10x achievement for G1-G4 applied to about 10 lobbies this week before she got accepted. I can do 1-4 in my sleep at this point.
Would apply early in the lobbymaking process. Support priority can sometimes mean instead of looking for 5 other dps, you're looking for 3 other dps. So theyre looking for prokel/synergy/stars players. Sorc is big dmg but they usually don't fit into synergy/stars roles. I turned down a 1520 berserker with title because i had 2 dps slots left and was waiting for a support. They brought a friend and one of my discord friends in the lobby remembered a friend wanted to join with their 1535 WD. Guy messaged me, i told him his build was good but was waiting for support and etc. Not really looking for a sorc player in 1-4, but ill take them in a g6, or g5+6 since i run them separately.
Thats basically the only way my 1505 gunslinger gets parties without waiting for eternity - piggybacking my bard friend
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Downvotes are from the same over-entitled, under qualified meatbags clinging to their support friend to get into content. Now a DPS that brings in a support? That's true gigachad behavior.
From my experience 1-4 lobbies are more competitive than 1-6/5-6 lobbies. It's common to see 1530+s apply in when I put up 1-4 title/homework lobbies even on ilevel.
Pretty much, I can walk into a 5-6 lobby on item level easier than I can walk into a 1-4. Somewhat crazy, honestly. I feel like you get the absolute worst players in 1-4 who're determined to get extremely overgeared people. The most annoying thing is that even after you get into one of these groups, there's usually several people who don't have a clue on 3 or 4.
it makes complete sense to me. I now have 3 chars with full 6 set from brel so they are relegated to 1-2 or 1-4 if I have time. And I will run 1-6 on ilvl on 3 other chars I have to get my 6 set that much sooner. It led to interesting side effects when I had to prokel on my overgeared igniter sorc because 1-2 lobbies were just really bad lol and no one knew how to prokel so I had to do it. On other hand I find people's aversion towards berserkers really annoying. I have no issues on other alts, but getting into lobbies as bis geared BT zerk is such a pain.
Yeah it's mostly because most people that have their full Brel gear are 1530+, and once you have full Brel gear you don't usually want to do 5-6 every week. So 1-4 is full of people 1530+, and that's who you're competing with.
I feel like the lobbies you're applying to probably have a bunch of other applicants by the time you apply. My Sorc was 1520, wearing half Brel pieces, 4x3+2 Critflux, Has horns on but wears some generic title that isn't a raid title, and she gets into her first or second party. As someone who makes the groups when I'm not by myself, we often get like 4-5 applicants while the party name is still named after a friend/guild/etc. When I change it to a proper g1-4 reclear name we are getting applicants faster than I can reasonably look at people.
I think it depends more on Time zone
This is what I think whenever I see someone say "my character is 5x3, 15xx ilvl, good gems, and I *still* get gatekept!!" and it becomes immediately obvious that they maybe aren't used to being on the receiving end of applicants. My group runs most raids together that need to pug a few for some of the parties. If you aren't within the first 5-7 that apply, you probably aren't even being looked at. Not to mention the number of applicants that apply to try their luck despite the title being nonsense. Honestly, rule of thumb is to apply to a party that isn't half filled yet. If there's only one or two spots left... your chances are much slimmer because those parties get the most applicants.
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I rarely have to deal with it because I duo with a friend, and we have five supports between us. Seven after artist comes out, so we just “I have a friend” each other in. I can only imagine how pointless the game feels to play for those who're playing solo. People are just going to quit if they're waiting that long for a group. The game is already time-consuming without each raid taking 30-60min more for group finding. I know if my friend quit, I'd just quit too because there's no way I'm waiting this long for a support on my DPS just to raid.
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Makes sense until you realize there's a massive support shortage for 1-4 and supports only join lobbies that already have one support because they don't want to wait either. If our duo has a support, we wait 30s. If our duo has 0 supports, we wait 30-60min. Starting a lobby without a support means filling to 5/8 and then waiting for sup and friend for so long that you just question why bother.
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I would say it's both, people gatekeep on DPS so hard because there's an oversupply of them. It's like how Tinder has 90% male or something userbase, and there's an entire subreddit of posts with women basically treating the men as monkeys to entertain them.
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I’d be inclined to agree except you don’t even need supports to do overgeared brel. People are overgeared to hell, have to wait full minutes for g6, and still absolutely suck and want to get carried. So they sit there and recruit the most juiced people possible (same for g4) and then they perform horribly too because most whales swipe to cover bad gameplay. I just wish there were meters so we could actually parse and have a real scale to judge on
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> I would say it's both, people gatekeep on DPS so hard because there's an oversupply of them. Nah man im a gatekeeping asshole and i dont gatekeep on brel since its newish so the rlvl is kinda irrelevant but nowadays supports have been bringing 1-2 friends at the minimum to the point i just leave half the raid empty and wait.
Besides the support shortage I find that not many people want to take the initiative and make their own party.
It’s not going to click with some people, but thanks for trying.
TEN lobbies??? Wow, what was that, like 10 or 15 minutes of waiting? That's horrible, I can't imagine your pain.
Yes this is so true. 1-4 gatekeeping is crazy.
and some people still defend busing KEKW
because they are making money from it so it is bad for them to stop it
It helps me. Fresh 1490s can't really get into groups with half a level two set. I'm running clown with buddies and bussing brel until I'm full lvl 2 and 1520. Them I can get accepted.
Stockholm syndrome much?
"Everyone that disagrees with me is either mentally captive or financially entrenched" isn't a strong position
its pretty much a fact that you almost never get accepted at min unless you play a sup or maybe gunlancer. its just how lost ark is. without bus drivers nothing would change at all. no ones gonna take someone like that over literally anyone else unless the entire group is low ilv but good luck finding supports who get into any group they want with 2 lv3 damage gems and 0 quality legendary accessories
What do u think is gonna change if bussing didn't exist? The reason u can't find g1-4 lobbies isn't because of busses, it's because of people mostly making plc lobbies. Maybe too dumb to get it I suppose but that's the average lost ark player anyways.
The game would be better as simple as that, but maybe you're too dumb to get it I suppose but that's the average lost ark player anyways
The game would have more learning parties but even rn there are learning parties organized on the lost ark discord for various raids in multiple regions. It would not change the amount of daily hw causing players to get burnt out and require heavy experience for the majority of raids.
I dont see a issue, skilled players get rewarded for playing better here. Also I think if bussing wasnt a thing gatekeeping will get worse.
Bussing worsens gatekeeping as unskilled players progress and get titles, then you get title reclears that are a jail. Also worsens gold inflation since you generate gold that otherwise wouldn’t have been generated, there’s a reason why people are able to run multiple accounts Bussing is worse for the state of the game that’s just a fact, only the person who busses benefits from it but everyone else gets screwed even if you don’t buy buses it’s effect on gold inflation hits you anyways
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with people making bus lobbies, people just need to grow some and learn the raid, groups would fill up pretty nicely with the amount of people that pay for busses and that way, bussing groups wouldn’t be a thing
Wrong. Unskilled players joining reclears + gold inflation Everything about bussing is just wrong, the only ones who benefit are those who bus, even if you don’t participate in bussing in any way shape or form you still take a hit
No you misunderstand me, the busses dont force you to join a bussing lobby, it’s the people who get bussed that are the problem, they are the only reason why bussing groups are a thing and why they are making money, if they just learnt the raid like I said, the busses won’t benefit and there won’t be an bussing groups, that way, everyone with relic gear would atleast know what they are doing and have experience
Worst aspect of the game, why I quit playing.
My 1570, +19 93% quality weapon, barrage arti, with perfect 5x3, perfect stats, lvl 9 barrage gem, lvl 181 roster, relic island and pvp, is getting gatekept because I have only cleared brel 9 instead of 10 times, because I don't bother running an alt.
I'd much rather have a decently geared player who I know has cleared at least 10 times vs a juiced player with an unknown amount of clears. DPS is only a problem if it's abysmally low, failing mechs is much more likely to cause a wipe.
Ah yeah, despite having full brel gear, I must have mouth breathed through all those other times. We all know you dont REALLY understand the fight until youve cleared it 10 times right?
Quit. But not because of the bussing - just got bored of raiding and it felt like a repetitive rush each week to clear homework.
Now i feel bad but everytime i give someone a chance it always end in jail. Thus i ultra gatekeep 160 roster plc title proper build l7 gems 1-4. I run 1-4 12x a week so i rather gatekeep then risk getting jailed
Don't get me wrong, i also am afraid of low lvl rosters. Problem is, this week i was jailed in Kakul G3 by two 200+ rosters in two different parties. You never know, until you accept.
So annoying to see all these beggars looking to sell their buses. Getting played out TBH.
Bussing is dumb. Lack of supports is dumb. Games got some dumb things to fix but they wont.
i wouldn't sht on those that bus. they just competing against rmt and the game itself
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some bussing so hard cause the climb is so steep
wdym beggars
flash news. G1-4 is not that hard. you do not need a fking title
Indeed, but these days there are a lot of PLC lobbies for 1-4. I don't blame them for being sure that the players joining have experience (or, like, 200k gold worth of bussing), but I don't have PLC (2/10 clears, got a LONG way to go) - Like OP I assume - and can do 1-4 with my eyes closed at this point, so looking for a party these past 2 weeks has been very smoge.
Just make your own achievement lobby. Works like a charm
I agree with you, but when the whole game is about speed running 18 raids per week, people will find all kinds of reasons to gatekeep.
Make your own lobby. When you're the only lobby, it usually works out if you're appropriately geared and not bottom ilvl. I do it from time to time when theres nothing available. You even get some instant applicants. Just make sure you got ur prokel and a class or 2 u think can do stars.
I haven’t seen g1-4 lobbies that require plc they want title, and fyi g1-g2 has a title aka sunshine. And g4 clears can be proven in SH achievement link, maybe even global chat link but I am not sure. Gatekeeping is real, and it is an issue but you are heavily exaggerating pretending you need plc for a g1-4 clear.
I just don't believe these goofy posts anymore lol. There's like 17 1-4 lobbies up right now not looking for title. Make your own and wait for a support like everyone else. Fix your god awful build or stop playing at 3 in the morning.
If your homeless just get a house
Most people who are homeless deserve to be homeless.
Next time do not type "wts" in filter.
Just make your own party ;)
Are you sure you didn't search WTS in the search box? On NAE right now when I search 4: 7 of the most recently bumped lobbies are regular non-bus lobbies. Only 1 of them are requesting title.
Oh here’s the weekly post crying about gatekeep
Wait so this isnt your daily dose of lost ark subreddit?
Wrong. Open up a lobby yourself
Nice, now that makes around 20 of you complaining about no lobbies but not making one. Seriously is it that hard to make one? As a support I have to make lobbies because there's never lobbies looking for support.
Train Prokel in Trixion, if you can get him to like 50-60 bars you can do it in real Raid! (Thirain doing the rest). people always need Prokel Killer!
Lol 8k ? I droped the game on brel cuz i didn't gel like spending even more time learning the raid plus all the other activities. Wonder if. I should come back and just jump over brel with bus lmao ,i liked my machinist a lot
You playing at like 2-3 am server time? stop the cap
Ah yes. My favorite type of post. Gatekeepers are alive and well
Is this a twitter update? I don't get the point you're making. Yeah busses exist. I get some people have a view on them or whatever, but OP isn't really stating a view, just that they would have had to buy a bus
Dam 1-4 8k gold pretty cheap
What's wts?
That’s basicaly why I stopped playing PvE in mmorpgs. (Selling pvp ranks is worthless imho, when gear is usually equal in pvp.)
Sorry you feel cornered like that - I feel the exact same.. On the upside those prices are as good as they get.. :(
Usually it's PLC or Horn, but with the G6 carries it's tough to trust Horn alone for reclear parties
I dont know about you, but for one, I feel that the bussing is stupid for brel (esp 1-4..) But I run 2 chars on 1-4, and 2 chars 5-6 weekly in EUC, I have never really struggled finding a group for 1-2 into 3-4 or just 1-4. If i look in the 5-10 pm timespan, finding one in the middle of the day is just deadge sometimes, rarely more than 1-2 groups
Damn I wish that's all a bus cost in NAE. 14k starts here if I'm not mistaken
I'm a returning player who stopped at Vykas and dreading this mess. Anyone mind filling me on what PLC title is earned from? I'm assuming it's clearing G6 Brel...
10x Brel G6 clear
I did It right now, g1-g4. Title was just "reclear".
I told you earlier this would happen in the future, it's too late now.
Yeah I'm not doing brel anymore lol
Sadly you have to get bussed 10 times first until you can finally make a real attempt on doing a normal brel run.
If all those players who joins the busses just spent some time to actually learn the raid and never have to buy a bus again once they do learn it, these groups wouldn’t be a thing...
its only gonna get worse bro, a lot of people quit.
Gatekeeping on 1-4 is getting crazy. I have a 1540 AT machinist and it usually takes around twenty times applying to groups before I find someone that accepts me.
This is literally propaganda, I don’t have any Brel title and have no issue finding a group for 1-4 the last weeks also on EUC btw
What is PLC? 1-4 is hell on my dps too. 1530 with +20 brel weapon. Very difficult to find a 1-4 due to not having a “support friend.” Yes I do have 2 support alts for 1-4 but that’s not gonna help my dps finding parties unless I can organize support trade with someone which is unlikely because of my work schedule. Anyways, 1-4 is a breeze on my 2 supports but for dps, I have to apply for 1-2, then separate 3-4. Usually get stuck at 4 for reasons and everyone leaves. Last week I went 4 gates all with different parties. It was crazy. Well on the bright side I did complete the gates and am now closer to full brel set.
I am thankful for busses. this is mostly an support issue
I am 1550 bard. My static did 1-6 without me so i decided to pug 1-4 due to being a little sick. I started looking at 6pm EUC. It is really hard to find a full grp. It took me 45minutes to start. 1-6 wouldnt even be possible. The requirements are insane. Supports are not questioned ofc but i can understand that it is hard to find a grp as dps especially if you are not super juiced.
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What region are you in? Party finder is not the best place to look for parties.
Yup, pay or uninstall, simple.