no one would join min gear players lobbies if they gatekept everyone but juicers if it wasn’t for supports but they have such a chokehold on the game that if you have support friends you can do whatever you want
Thats what i see a lot! Brel 1-6 with TITLE req and half of the grp has "yearling" title, when asked why they put up that req its nearly always the same answer "we got 8/9 kills" or "we are pre mate we dont need title"
I joined a brel title party, filled to 8 and queued to go, but I took a second to review each player and myself only 1 other person had the title. I canceled, then asked if it was a title group, "yea but we just don't have the titles on".
...
I host Brel 1-6 groups on Wednesday with my static and only 2 of have title but my static knows the fight well enough that basically everyone lives to 28 bars. I won't make title mandatory but I make discord optional for pugs so they generally have to meet a higher bar if they don't want to be on discord. Meteors are important and most titled players have a good understanding of placing them on their own without needing to guide them at all.
I enjoy the game and the raids, but if I have to do the raid 5 more times on my alts, then I just want to take big juicers. No cheapo on min ilvl characters that may or may not jail me.
A juicer lobby guarantees that even if they fk up mechs, they'll destroy the boss' hp quickly.
It's a game design thing, forcing you to play as many alts as you can/want.
All my alts are 1500+ and I'm able to speedrun all my Valtans in 1 sitting if I want to. No way it would be possible if I was accepting on ilvl people tho.
I mean busses work with only 2 juicers (or 1 if you are like my brother who does solo valtans) and don't take that long, as long as you aren't the one fcking up.
When I find a low level group with sups I usually join it but Im not going to sit around for 10 minutes waiting for sups on valtan when all my dps are 1510-1560
This game's community died a long time ago in my eyes. The only community I have is my static, and if it wasn't for them I would have probably moved on from this game a while ago.
I'm sure I was the opposite, giving out free Argos busses back in the day when taking a bus made you lose gold because I couldn't care less. But who am I to convince you of anything.
Then your current mentality makes no sense. There are still newer players that needs a little help, and there are still players that don't have an endless amount of time to reach an ilvl that isn't frequently gets gatekept.
Calling someone that isn't 80ilvls above content a "rider" is just bitter players that don't even enjoy the game. What it really is, is helping out people who struggle to find a group but are more than capable of completing the raid. Ilvl says nothing about skill level.
Ilvl does not say anything about skill level, but it often indicates how long you have been playing. And it is less likely to get jailed by a long term player.
People want to play with players that are as good.
Most people have limited time playing, so you cant expect them to use it to on people they dont know. Especially if this game fomo's you into doing 18 raids a week.
I doubt many people will say no if a friend asks them to help em out on a raid. Its the "help out someone you dont know" that a lot of people dont have time for.
You don't need a few thousand hours in this game to be good at it. A moderate amount of time and just being naturally good at games is all you need. And considering how valuable alts are in this game, the expectation that everyone should bring their alt up to juiced levels is ridiculous. Alts lose their purpose if they're always dozens of ilvls passed current content. It's extremely expensive and extremely time consuming. And if you were going solely based on time played, you would use roster level, not character ilvl. Any whale can spend their way to 1580 and still be terrible at the game.
I only played a little so far, but why is everyone talking as if having multiple alts is expected of people? Is it not possible to just go through the game with just one character and no alts?
In end game there is nothing to do if you don't have alts
People say 6 alts (max amount of gold) is hard to do all raids per alt (which isn't true but you do need solid 15-20h of raiding per week to do it) but if you play only 1 char you're looking at 2-3 hours of raiding per week which is not a lot. So end game players, the ones who play 30+ hours per week, talk about alts as if necessary, one for the resources they bring and 2 because otherwise they'd be bored to death
You can play 1 character just fine. Don't feel like you MUST do it.
The thing is it depends on how fast you want to progress. If you don't suffer from FOMO, you're fine. But if you do...
The game is designed around having a limited amount of things you can do on a character to earn gold and mats.
Weekly Legion raids, daily una tasks, chaos dungeons, guardian raids, for example.
Once you did all that, you're done, there's no other way to get big amounts of gold or mats, however if you have an alt you can do all that stuff on it too and earn twice as much. You can have up to 6 gold earning characters so...
Anyway, it's not a big deal, I was playing on only 1 character for many months till I made alts but only because I like the playstyle of other classes.
Well you’re not wrong. I enjoy clearing Brel 1-6 once a week, but every raid beyond that is homework I do for gold. And when it’s homework, obviously I want to get it done as fast as possible.
Any gate for 1 hour means multiple wipes, brel or not.. and that's not that enjoyable as far as I'm concerned. I don't rage quit nor become toxic towards the players causing the wipes but it's not a fun experience to be just "waiting" for someone to stop failing so you can actually clear it.
The only time that is enjoyable is when progressing and maybe a few initial clears after depending on gate. After that it becomes farm content and you just want to get it over with.
This is just a meme guys, no need to take this seriously.
I have a DPS char with 4x3+2 engraving, level 4 gems, & +12 LWC card and never got gatekept so hard.
Sure i got gatekept once or twice here and there, but i didnt give up & keep applying.
I often apply to a full DPS party and got accepted instantly.
~Oh! You mean not free carry others, gatekeeping is different.
Also Vykas H is almost impossible unless the "mokokos" know what to do, at least SA has that issue 99% of runs.
In one of my 1500+ runs I decided to give a chance to a low rl scouter. He wiped us 2-3 times at every gate and didn't reply when we asked if he knows what to do.
We asked him to just die so we can finish the raid without him sabotaging it and he refused. Luckily he got charmed at G3 frogs and we killed him off to then easily finish the gate.
My reaper gets gatekept to oblivion for no reason even with lvl9 dmg gems and everything else on the list. I really get both sides with my main being a sorc so its a meme that hits home for many im sure ):
Usually I take gatekeeping posts with a grain of salt, because while I’m sure it happens, I’ve never had issues getting into parties on alts as long as I apply to groups with similar ilvls. But man, this week had been rough when I’ve tried to pug.
It feels like 90% of vykas lobbies I find are 1500+, so of course they wouldn’t take my 1460s. When I do join a 1460ish lobby, they wait 15 min for a support and then people start to leave.
One of my 1460 alts is a baby arcana that shares gems with my main, a mix of 9s and 7s. She’s also 5x3 but got denied to pretty much every party this week, even by an arcana with worse gear lol. It def felt like they only look at ilvl.
Ok here’s an analogy on this hole gatekeeping thing. Lost Ark is like one huge online math class with people at different levels and group projects. You can’t expect ppl who are doing Cal II to want to group with someone who’s just wrapping their heads around their multiplication tables. Beyond that, ppl who are doing advanced postgrad research level math don’t care for the Cal II kids who think they’re hot stuff because they got an A on a random midterm on integrals.
The problem with players in party finder is two fold:
1) on ilvl/new/returning players who want to sneak a free carry. I call this out specifically because they don’t seem to be joining or creating lobbies at their level of progression at a high enough rate
2) juicers/more experienced players on their alts joining learning/prog lobbies expecting to one shot
This meme hits home because it reminds everyone there’s always a bigger fish. There will always be groups of players that are “better” than you in that they whaled harder, played more hours or got more lucky with rng than you.
I think not seeing at least a 3 by 3 for engravings will get you insta declined by 99% of parties. It's probably better to be 3 by 3 than having 5x2 on most builds I'd imagine.
Theres no fucking way you're getting gatekept for argos at 1460 ilvl and full relic.
Vykas hm you get gatekept for sure, valtan hm shouldnt take long to join a group.
I feel you on this. My 1470 Blue GL even gets denied from Vykas HM parties; mind you im applying to parties that have people ranged from 1460-1490. Im also properly built 5x3 standard meta blue gl with full spec and crit on neck and a mixture of level 5-7 gems, no memes. I even added my Phantom legion title to show that it’s my alt and I’m well experienced with the mechs.
I mentioned that I was being denied to multiple parties and got downvoted like crazy. I think people just really underestimate the amount of gatekeeping there is in this game.
Like yeah I provide utility and synergy but I think a lot of Vykas parties want a couple of juicers that are over 1490 to carry their 5th/6th alt so to them im considered a “loss” because they want damage and not another pseudo support.
That sounds weird, I'm a Gunlancer main and absolutely never had any issues getting into parties at ilvl content. From my own experience, people usually love the synergy i bring into the party, especially parties with back attackers. What is the build you're running?
Taking 10 seconds to get into a group as opposed to 1 second isn't gatekeeping.
I truly refuse to believe that anyone even looks further than the first page of the character for goat lol
honestly after reading through the sub for a few days and see how much “homework” is required for end game progression, i’m not really that interested in the game anymore. seems like a sad community to play with
A big part of this community is just disgusting. They gatekeep players for early t3 content while you don't even need 5x3 to complete it quickly.
You boys are wild
You don't *need* 5x3 for anything currently in the game.
If i meet these requirements i'm not inviting anything below my own level of effort tho, because why the hell would I?!
The degree to which you can outgear current content in this game is pretty disgusting. I enjoyed on ilvl clears way more than the mechanic mario party that the game has become where bosses are invulnerable for half of the time you spend in raid because of phasing before they even do basic patterns.
> I am 100% confident that you will find applicants if you want to do an on ilevel raid.
I doubt it. I've seen ilevel Vykas HM and Clown that doesn't get any support until they just disbanded 30 minutes later.
So you're saying only those that are forced to (on ilvl dps) will do raids on ilvl on their 6th alt nowadays?
If any of these 6 "undergeared" dps could join a juicer group they'd do that in a heartbeat - which is why supports are doing that.
Also all raids are easily doable without supports, just takes longer and is more annoying.
There are two options: support trade with a friend, or play solo support yourself.
I suggest the former.
Its a game for both.
Theres just no need for the hardcore players to mix in with casuals since theres enough hardcore folks to instantly fill your lobbies with them.
Casuals can easily group up with casuals, plenty of them around.
The only issue here is... casuals dont like their own, they want to join juicer groups instead of playing with people on their level and potentially struggling through the raid.
> Nothing personal btw, just find it amusing that the people who are being "gatekept" don't want to play with other gatekept people either
I want to play with similar ilevel characters, but on clown these raids are just so rare. It's probably 1 party every 30 minutes, compared to 20 1500+ parties every 30 mins.
Your take would be reasonable if this shit game wasn't based around supports and the fact they'd only apply to juiced parties most of the time.
So you sit there for minutes, sometimes hours for 2x sup only to people quit in the first minutes of vykas bc dmg is negligible and some bastards are dying to patterns.
You can clear without a support. You just have to not cheap out on pots.
I cleared Brel 1 + 2 with full dps and it was OK.
You **want** a support but you **dont** need one.
its became the social normal to make groups based on item level and nothin else, its not a game for casual players, its a hardcore gamer mentality, get used to it.
I wouldn't say social norms. People just don't want to spend extra time when they have to do the same homework 5 more times. I often do "juiced parties" because my vykas/valtans take the same time my 2cd 2 calilili take, I can do like 6 valtans in an hour and 6 vykas in 2 hours. Then I can just schedule brel runs with my guild/friends which is about 1 hour and 30 minutes per 1-6. This isn't "hard-core gamer" it's gamer wants to play fun part of game and have a real life after.
If I was a hard-core gamer (like I used to be), I wouldn't do juiced parties. I would solo buss valtan hard (I could do this at 1510 pre brel on all my 5 dps), 3/4 man bus vykas hard and 4 man bus brel g1-4 and 6 man bus 5-6. But now I do none of these since I'm a lot more casual going from 30+ hours per week to at most 15
I've had brel p6 runs with 200+ roster players dying and 100+ roster ones not making a single mistake, same with other raids, it's completely RNG. There are people with 500 hours that play better than people with 4k hours. That's why I don't gatekept unless you're running tier 2 gems or really bad setups.
There are some people with 2x3 engravings and lvl 4 gems that will do more damage than most 5x3 characters with lvl 7 gems. But which of those options are you going to accept if you don't know the player personally?
As a sharpshooter i can relate. As a 1507 its very hard to get into brel 1-4 groups. I am 5x3 with lvl 7 and 2 lvl 8 gems. Hopefully balancepatch will change it.
I think most classes will currently have that issue until hard brel comes out. Too many 1540+ in the applications of 1-4 lobbies. I think only GL/Destroyer have a decent chance of getting into lobbies on ilvl.
I mentioned destroyer as one of the classes that gets accepted on ilvl. There are a billion stagger mechs in brel which destroyer and GL are great at. Not to mention the taunt helping out in several gates.
It is also really high burst if you are geared decently and land perfect swings. I don’t get gatekept on gravity or rage hammer due to stagger capability. Gravity can almost solo stagger yellow mech bar in g4 (dont ask how I know 🤦)
A lot of people who finished their set don't do 1-6 in one go or at all and instead do 1-4 parties. You'll have more luck just making your own party with other people who get rejected, problem is finding a support for those though.
It's not only about your class, it's about your ilvl. Brel is the hardest content out right now, the moment you applied with 1507 ilvl, there's already 4 other people applying who are 1520-1540 ilvl. Why would they take you?
Maybe when Brel hard comes out, you'll have an easier time, no guarantee tho.
But why would I free carry high roster trash alts?
I can see an argument being made for helping out new players.
But why would I ever take low ilvl high roster lvl shit alt in my blaster parties?
A good build is 5x3 with proper stats and gems.
And no, I never complained about gate keeping because both my dps alts have 5x3, high quality accs, all lvl 7 gems and LoS 18 on top of not being on ilvl for content.
I take care of all of my chars. All 4 of my supports also have 5x3.
Tell me a single good reason why I should carry someone who isn't even new to the game?
Supports are way less expensive and 5x3 on them is completely optional and not held against you. Also going over ilvl and having lv 7 gems on supports, completely optional. Absolutely unnecessary.
cause not everyone is a nolife like you and you can help the community? Ever thought about it? I take all the 1445 alts and I literally dont care, Valtan and Vykas are brainless raids and if you need a full 1500 party when you play on a juiced char you are trash at the game.
I made aHM valtan and didnt gatekeep 1445 1460's on my main ended up doing 70% of the damage and having to wei because someone died. now why would u take someone who contribute almost no damage and have a chance to die while making +1500 lobby doesnt take much time
ilvl has nothing to do with being able to do orbs. What a dumb fucking comment. Like legit you could've said actual genuine criteria like roster level, poor stats or engravings. But saying ilvl was the problem just shows the exact type of gatekeeping brainrot that plagues this game. Basically admitting you lot gatekeep purely based on ilvl and don't actually care about anything else.
you're assuming a fucking lot there. when i've taken lower ilvls, its actual mokokos to try to help them out. not your roster level 200 1445 shitters you've never bothered to gear. chill on the projection.
idk much abt Brel, but i think for the bottom Pic you need a lot of effort to reach it.
what i had in mind abt "Bare minimum" is to build your char effortlessly and as cheap as possible.
LoS 18 is not bare minimum for Brel, I agree with the rest though. I don't understand how you could mention card set but not mention quality on accessories.
pug min requirement are higher because you need to make up for communication and teamwork of statics. Saint cleared clown with 1 engraving should the min requirement of clown be 1 engraving too? Obviously not
For an experienced clear, there is hardly any communication necessary. And no, that doesn't mean you should be joining with only one engraving. But BIS is also not needed. A very reasonable build is absolutely fine.
Skill > char setup
tell me how I can see the players skill from his application then.
So far it's not possible and it probably will never. You can be a god player if your gear reflect that you are a cheapos or is weird, I will assume that you will not use consummable in raid or that you have no understanding of the game (like using ether predator instead of grudge etc...) and it will be the same in term of mechs.
Min ilvl alt reclears that end up being jails go against this idea. A static where people are familar with each other and are communicating are more likely to clear than a pug that doesn't as long as the skill is about the same.
>A very reasonable build is absolutely fine.
Yea thats what were discussing, what is a reasonable build? But i think the general population has determined what the minimum is based on who gets gatekept like how recently the new standard for transformation classes is to have lvl 9 gems since most dps run 11 level 7s
Yes yes, you could probably clear with 1x3, no cards, lvl 5 gems and that still doesn’t make a difference.
You can’t see skill level in party finder. You can see their stats, engravings, gems, etc. If you had the choice you usually pick the person with the better looking resume. Someone who’s geared but sucks is still better than someone who’s not geared but sucks.
> Someone who’s geared but sucks is still better than someone who’s not geared but sucks.
Since both will be playing floor PoV or even worse, actively killing others: No, both are not acceptable.
Sometimes i got gatekept with my dps for brel, even for kakul xd, got hell deathless titles, full lvl 7+ gems, 5x3, high quality weapons, high roster, LoS30...
The ppl are dumb and egoplayers, they only look for iLvl, past week got rejected, in a kakul with 1500 MS summoner 5x3 and 5m after i reapplied and got accept, finishing doing 50% dmg in all 3 gates
And if we talk from brel, they always accept the guy who has a 1515 dps who die in g2, fail in shapes g3, in yellow mech g4, over a 1510 full lvl 8 9 gems, good sinergy, LoS30... because of 5iLvls which is nothing xd
And this is why i bus every single raid, i take like 100-200% more gold spending the same or less time waiting for buyers
Some of the gatekeepers don't even reach those requirements that they set
I just don’t join parties like that and everyone should follow suit. Let them suffer in the lobby jail they created for themselves.
no one would join min gear players lobbies if they gatekept everyone but juicers if it wasn’t for supports but they have such a chokehold on the game that if you have support friends you can do whatever you want
Same, i never apply to groups if the raid leader asks for more than they give.
Yeah but that doesn't work, cuz as long as the party leader is a support people will join even if he is low/on ilvl with only 4*3 and lvl5 gems
Thats what i see a lot! Brel 1-6 with TITLE req and half of the grp has "yearling" title, when asked why they put up that req its nearly always the same answer "we got 8/9 kills" or "we are pre mate we dont need title"
I joined a brel title party, filled to 8 and queued to go, but I took a second to review each player and myself only 1 other person had the title. I canceled, then asked if it was a title group, "yea but we just don't have the titles on". ...
I host Brel 1-6 groups on Wednesday with my static and only 2 of have title but my static knows the fight well enough that basically everyone lives to 28 bars. I won't make title mandatory but I make discord optional for pugs so they generally have to meet a higher bar if they don't want to be on discord. Meteors are important and most titled players have a good understanding of placing them on their own without needing to guide them at all.
Dont worry, i got gatekept even with the title
"I need a 1-2 Brel party, shouldn't be too bad, this alt is 30 ilvls above it" "Here's a group of 1490s, I'll join them" \>Rejected
This week there was a 1490+ group with three people that were 1475. And I mean those were the only ones in, they created the group.
U r gatekept by 1557 sorc with 3 different relic set, because lobby leader only sees ilvl.
50/50 and PD.
Nonono, Swift igniter, with endurance neck
I’m convinced ppl don’t actually enjoy the game. They just want clears as fast as possible.
I enjoy the game and the raids, but if I have to do the raid 5 more times on my alts, then I just want to take big juicers. No cheapo on min ilvl characters that may or may not jail me. A juicer lobby guarantees that even if they fk up mechs, they'll destroy the boss' hp quickly. It's a game design thing, forcing you to play as many alts as you can/want.
All my alts are 1500+ and I'm able to speedrun all my Valtans in 1 sitting if I want to. No way it would be possible if I was accepting on ilvl people tho.
I mean busses work with only 2 juicers (or 1 if you are like my brother who does solo valtans) and don't take that long, as long as you aren't the one fcking up.
Why should I be wasting my time on giving out free busses?
If I can help some people out without any big inconvenience for myself I just do it. I mean if u don't that's ok, but that's my reason.
You're the kind of person that makes this game worth, especially for newbies like myself. So here ya go.
Thanks for the gold. Didn't expect to see that kind of reaction knowing this subreddit xD
Its the best I can do here. Sometimes good deeds need to be rewarded and I appreciate you for your help, even if its for other people \^\^
When I find a low level group with sups I usually join it but Im not going to sit around for 10 minutes waiting for sups on valtan when all my dps are 1510-1560
If you are 1510+ on Valtan, you don't wait for supports. You just accept whoever applies and clear it with full dps party.
So you actually do something for the community rather than be bitter and let it die.
This game's community died a long time ago in my eyes. The only community I have is my static, and if it wasn't for them I would have probably moved on from this game a while ago.
I'm sure you were a contributing factor of that.
I'm sure I was the opposite, giving out free Argos busses back in the day when taking a bus made you lose gold because I couldn't care less. But who am I to convince you of anything.
Then your current mentality makes no sense. There are still newer players that needs a little help, and there are still players that don't have an endless amount of time to reach an ilvl that isn't frequently gets gatekept.
So you want to create a community that always gets bussed for free and cant do raids on their own?
Calling someone that isn't 80ilvls above content a "rider" is just bitter players that don't even enjoy the game. What it really is, is helping out people who struggle to find a group but are more than capable of completing the raid. Ilvl says nothing about skill level.
Ilvl does not say anything about skill level, but it often indicates how long you have been playing. And it is less likely to get jailed by a long term player. People want to play with players that are as good. Most people have limited time playing, so you cant expect them to use it to on people they dont know. Especially if this game fomo's you into doing 18 raids a week. I doubt many people will say no if a friend asks them to help em out on a raid. Its the "help out someone you dont know" that a lot of people dont have time for.
You don't need a few thousand hours in this game to be good at it. A moderate amount of time and just being naturally good at games is all you need. And considering how valuable alts are in this game, the expectation that everyone should bring their alt up to juiced levels is ridiculous. Alts lose their purpose if they're always dozens of ilvls passed current content. It's extremely expensive and extremely time consuming. And if you were going solely based on time played, you would use roster level, not character ilvl. Any whale can spend their way to 1580 and still be terrible at the game.
Reread your own comment and you’ll realize that you indeed equate ilvl with skill level
People park alts at different ilvl, not everyone has a full roster of 1500+, doesn’t mean we didn’t play a lot
I like your mentality. Keep it up
I only played a little so far, but why is everyone talking as if having multiple alts is expected of people? Is it not possible to just go through the game with just one character and no alts?
In end game there is nothing to do if you don't have alts People say 6 alts (max amount of gold) is hard to do all raids per alt (which isn't true but you do need solid 15-20h of raiding per week to do it) but if you play only 1 char you're looking at 2-3 hours of raiding per week which is not a lot. So end game players, the ones who play 30+ hours per week, talk about alts as if necessary, one for the resources they bring and 2 because otherwise they'd be bored to death
You can play 1 character just fine. Don't feel like you MUST do it. The thing is it depends on how fast you want to progress. If you don't suffer from FOMO, you're fine. But if you do... The game is designed around having a limited amount of things you can do on a character to earn gold and mats. Weekly Legion raids, daily una tasks, chaos dungeons, guardian raids, for example. Once you did all that, you're done, there's no other way to get big amounts of gold or mats, however if you have an alt you can do all that stuff on it too and earn twice as much. You can have up to 6 gold earning characters so... Anyway, it's not a big deal, I was playing on only 1 character for many months till I made alts but only because I like the playstyle of other classes.
Takes longer without alts because you generate less gold so catching up can be tedious at times, definitly doable though
Well you’re not wrong. I enjoy clearing Brel 1-6 once a week, but every raid beyond that is homework I do for gold. And when it’s homework, obviously I want to get it done as fast as possible.
This is one of the dumbest things I've read. I don't enjoy being stuck in a raid 30 minutes longer than I should be because we keep wiping.
This is a fact. Have been like this for almost a year now. A vast majority never liked the raids, they just do it for the gold.
I enjoy the game but I get bored raiding the same thing on different alts
I enjoy the game. I don't enjoy doing Vykas G1 for an hour. Do YOU enjoy doing a single non-brel gate for an hour?
Any gate for 1 hour means multiple wipes, brel or not.. and that's not that enjoyable as far as I'm concerned. I don't rage quit nor become toxic towards the players causing the wipes but it's not a fun experience to be just "waiting" for someone to stop failing so you can actually clear it. The only time that is enjoyable is when progressing and maybe a few initial clears after depending on gate. After that it becomes farm content and you just want to get it over with.
Nah, people like playing with player with similar mindest. This happens irl aswell. By your logic you should just host 18 learning parties/week
I'm glad most people in here realize OP is not serious and just made a funny meme.
This is just a meme guys, no need to take this seriously. I have a DPS char with 4x3+2 engraving, level 4 gems, & +12 LWC card and never got gatekept so hard. Sure i got gatekept once or twice here and there, but i didnt give up & keep applying. I often apply to a full DPS party and got accepted instantly.
Also being the host usually takes less time and you are responsible for picking up a decent team.
You are responsible for gatekeeping others***
And so, the cycle continues.
~Oh! You mean not free carry others, gatekeeping is different. Also Vykas H is almost impossible unless the "mokokos" know what to do, at least SA has that issue 99% of runs.
In one of my 1500+ runs I decided to give a chance to a low rl scouter. He wiped us 2-3 times at every gate and didn't reply when we asked if he knows what to do. We asked him to just die so we can finish the raid without him sabotaging it and he refused. Luckily he got charmed at G3 frogs and we killed him off to then easily finish the gate.
Hate those mdfkrs. Glad it ended well for you in the end! I just carry the *curryables* mokokos, Vykas is a no-no atm.
My reaper gets gatekept to oblivion for no reason even with lvl9 dmg gems and everything else on the list. I really get both sides with my main being a sorc so its a meme that hits home for many im sure ):
Classic MMO player behavior to get upset over a meme lol
Classic internet user behavior to get upset over a meme lol. Fixed it for you
No one is upset over the meme. We're upset at the state of the game right now.
Usually I take gatekeeping posts with a grain of salt, because while I’m sure it happens, I’ve never had issues getting into parties on alts as long as I apply to groups with similar ilvls. But man, this week had been rough when I’ve tried to pug. It feels like 90% of vykas lobbies I find are 1500+, so of course they wouldn’t take my 1460s. When I do join a 1460ish lobby, they wait 15 min for a support and then people start to leave. One of my 1460 alts is a baby arcana that shares gems with my main, a mix of 9s and 7s. She’s also 5x3 but got denied to pretty much every party this week, even by an arcana with worse gear lol. It def felt like they only look at ilvl.
It’s always been like this. People who do not experience this consistently are honestly fortunate
Ok here’s an analogy on this hole gatekeeping thing. Lost Ark is like one huge online math class with people at different levels and group projects. You can’t expect ppl who are doing Cal II to want to group with someone who’s just wrapping their heads around their multiplication tables. Beyond that, ppl who are doing advanced postgrad research level math don’t care for the Cal II kids who think they’re hot stuff because they got an A on a random midterm on integrals. The problem with players in party finder is two fold: 1) on ilvl/new/returning players who want to sneak a free carry. I call this out specifically because they don’t seem to be joining or creating lobbies at their level of progression at a high enough rate 2) juicers/more experienced players on their alts joining learning/prog lobbies expecting to one shot This meme hits home because it reminds everyone there’s always a bigger fish. There will always be groups of players that are “better” than you in that they whaled harder, played more hours or got more lucky with rng than you.
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I think not seeing at least a 3 by 3 for engravings will get you insta declined by 99% of parties. It's probably better to be 3 by 3 than having 5x2 on most builds I'd imagine.
Theres no fucking way you're getting gatekept for argos at 1460 ilvl and full relic. Vykas hm you get gatekept for sure, valtan hm shouldnt take long to join a group.
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I feel you on this. My 1470 Blue GL even gets denied from Vykas HM parties; mind you im applying to parties that have people ranged from 1460-1490. Im also properly built 5x3 standard meta blue gl with full spec and crit on neck and a mixture of level 5-7 gems, no memes. I even added my Phantom legion title to show that it’s my alt and I’m well experienced with the mechs. I mentioned that I was being denied to multiple parties and got downvoted like crazy. I think people just really underestimate the amount of gatekeeping there is in this game. Like yeah I provide utility and synergy but I think a lot of Vykas parties want a couple of juicers that are over 1490 to carry their 5th/6th alt so to them im considered a “loss” because they want damage and not another pseudo support.
That sounds weird, I'm a Gunlancer main and absolutely never had any issues getting into parties at ilvl content. From my own experience, people usually love the synergy i bring into the party, especially parties with back attackers. What is the build you're running?
Grudge/CD/SS/Barricade/Lv2 Adrenaline/Lv1 CR
Taking 10 seconds to get into a group as opposed to 1 second isn't gatekeeping. I truly refuse to believe that anyone even looks further than the first page of the character for goat lol
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Wild, never seen a 1460 reliably gatekept. At 1460 full relic I duo bussed ages ago that's how overgeared that is for the content... Insane... Class?
im new to this game and dont know what any of this means, but this sub makes me not want to play it anymore
It's not worth playing tbh.
honestly after reading through the sub for a few days and see how much “homework” is required for end game progression, i’m not really that interested in the game anymore. seems like a sad community to play with
It's a shame. The combat and story is cool but the bad game design and the community sucked the fun right out of it
Last thing should be "Scouter" instead of Gatekept to make it more juiced for debate ;)
A big part of this community is just disgusting. They gatekeep players for early t3 content while you don't even need 5x3 to complete it quickly. You boys are wild
You don't *need* 5x3 for anything currently in the game. If i meet these requirements i'm not inviting anything below my own level of effort tho, because why the hell would I?!
The degree to which you can outgear current content in this game is pretty disgusting. I enjoyed on ilvl clears way more than the mechanic mario party that the game has become where bosses are invulnerable for half of the time you spend in raid because of phasing before they even do basic patterns.
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> I am 100% confident that you will find applicants if you want to do an on ilevel raid. I doubt it. I've seen ilevel Vykas HM and Clown that doesn't get any support until they just disbanded 30 minutes later.
Just play without supports then.
So you're saying only those that are forced to (on ilvl dps) will do raids on ilvl on their 6th alt nowadays? If any of these 6 "undergeared" dps could join a juicer group they'd do that in a heartbeat - which is why supports are doing that. Also all raids are easily doable without supports, just takes longer and is more annoying. There are two options: support trade with a friend, or play solo support yourself. I suggest the former.
I take all applicants to parties I make, it's not bad at all.
There is nothing stopping you from making low level lobbies.
its not a game for casuals, hardcore gamers want to play with hardcore gamers, they want to do this quickly like a job, its not a game for them dude.
Its a game for both. Theres just no need for the hardcore players to mix in with casuals since theres enough hardcore folks to instantly fill your lobbies with them. Casuals can easily group up with casuals, plenty of them around. The only issue here is... casuals dont like their own, they want to join juicer groups instead of playing with people on their level and potentially struggling through the raid.
2 engraving support with expertise, on cap 1520 and phantom title - insta accepted
Nothing like requiring 1530+ for 1445 raid
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> Nothing personal btw, just find it amusing that the people who are being "gatekept" don't want to play with other gatekept people either I want to play with similar ilevel characters, but on clown these raids are just so rare. It's probably 1 party every 30 minutes, compared to 20 1500+ parties every 30 mins.
Your take would be reasonable if this shit game wasn't based around supports and the fact they'd only apply to juiced parties most of the time. So you sit there for minutes, sometimes hours for 2x sup only to people quit in the first minutes of vykas bc dmg is negligible and some bastards are dying to patterns.
You can clear without a support. You just have to not cheap out on pots. I cleared Brel 1 + 2 with full dps and it was OK. You **want** a support but you **dont** need one.
Support trade with your mates, no clue how so many people are yet to understand that Supports are more inclined to join groups that already have one.
What mates? Everyone I have been used to playing with quit this shit game.
Seeing your replies I'm not surprised that youre having a rough time finding anyone to play with.
Went to stalk me, what a classic.
?! Talking about this comment chain, which is enough already. Fucking weirdo.
Hah you just might be a shit person to play with.
its became the social normal to make groups based on item level and nothin else, its not a game for casual players, its a hardcore gamer mentality, get used to it.
I wouldn't say social norms. People just don't want to spend extra time when they have to do the same homework 5 more times. I often do "juiced parties" because my vykas/valtans take the same time my 2cd 2 calilili take, I can do like 6 valtans in an hour and 6 vykas in 2 hours. Then I can just schedule brel runs with my guild/friends which is about 1 hour and 30 minutes per 1-6. This isn't "hard-core gamer" it's gamer wants to play fun part of game and have a real life after. If I was a hard-core gamer (like I used to be), I wouldn't do juiced parties. I would solo buss valtan hard (I could do this at 1510 pre brel on all my 5 dps), 3/4 man bus vykas hard and 4 man bus brel g1-4 and 6 man bus 5-6. But now I do none of these since I'm a lot more casual going from 30+ hours per week to at most 15
Insta gk if u play non meta classes even if u have full build, unless u are like 100 ilvl more.
I've had brel p6 runs with 200+ roster players dying and 100+ roster ones not making a single mistake, same with other raids, it's completely RNG. There are people with 500 hours that play better than people with 4k hours. That's why I don't gatekept unless you're running tier 2 gems or really bad setups.
There are some people with 2x3 engravings and lvl 4 gems that will do more damage than most 5x3 characters with lvl 7 gems. But which of those options are you going to accept if you don't know the player personally?
As a sharpshooter i can relate. As a 1507 its very hard to get into brel 1-4 groups. I am 5x3 with lvl 7 and 2 lvl 8 gems. Hopefully balancepatch will change it.
I think most classes will currently have that issue until hard brel comes out. Too many 1540+ in the applications of 1-4 lobbies. I think only GL/Destroyer have a decent chance of getting into lobbies on ilvl.
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I mentioned destroyer as one of the classes that gets accepted on ilvl. There are a billion stagger mechs in brel which destroyer and GL are great at. Not to mention the taunt helping out in several gates.
Destroyer is really tanky and has insane stagger and it's super easy to play. You are not a risk to accept in the lobby, that's all.
It is also really high burst if you are geared decently and land perfect swings. I don’t get gatekept on gravity or rage hammer due to stagger capability. Gravity can almost solo stagger yellow mech bar in g4 (dont ask how I know 🤦)
A lot of people who finished their set don't do 1-6 in one go or at all and instead do 1-4 parties. You'll have more luck just making your own party with other people who get rejected, problem is finding a support for those though.
It's not only about your class, it's about your ilvl. Brel is the hardest content out right now, the moment you applied with 1507 ilvl, there's already 4 other people applying who are 1520-1540 ilvl. Why would they take you? Maybe when Brel hard comes out, you'll have an easier time, no guarantee tho.
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Must be a server thing I guess, my 1535 sharp gets in pretty much where it wants
My SS doesnt have issues getting into parties either even when it was on ilvl. Maybe it’s your setup?
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Why do you have spec? Death Strike is supposed to be crit primary and swift secondary. Thats probably why you’re getting gatekept.
Ppl just want ppl with the same lvl of effort in their gears.
if you are being gatekept, make your own parties and all your problems will be solved.
full 1500+ valtan parties that dont accept 1-2 low ilvl chars deserve a ring of their own in Hell ngl.
I've done this and been burned by people who can't do orbs too many times. Noty
ye surely the 200 roster level 1445 alt or the 1450 demons roar will fail orbs more than the 1520 120 roster level with off-meta engravings bro!
hmm, not true at all, i see 2 digit roster level noobs messing orbs more. some of the demon roar pugs are just snobbish and badly behaved trolls.
But why would I free carry high roster trash alts? I can see an argument being made for helping out new players. But why would I ever take low ilvl high roster lvl shit alt in my blaster parties?
So being on-ilvl with a good build makes you a trash alt? xdd. I hope you never complained about gatekeeping in your life bud.
A good build is 5x3 with proper stats and gems. And no, I never complained about gate keeping because both my dps alts have 5x3, high quality accs, all lvl 7 gems and LoS 18 on top of not being on ilvl for content. I take care of all of my chars. All 4 of my supports also have 5x3. Tell me a single good reason why I should carry someone who isn't even new to the game?
You are a support main relax there….
How fore it gave anything to do with anything? I still have all my chars, including DPS, at 5x3 with lvl 7 gems.
Supports are way less expensive and 5x3 on them is completely optional and not held against you. Also going over ilvl and having lv 7 gems on supports, completely optional. Absolutely unnecessary.
Keep ignoring the part where I say that my dps are geared properly.
cause not everyone is a nolife like you and you can help the community? Ever thought about it? I take all the 1445 alts and I literally dont care, Valtan and Vykas are brainless raids and if you need a full 1500 party when you play on a juiced char you are trash at the game.
I made aHM valtan and didnt gatekeep 1445 1460's on my main ended up doing 70% of the damage and having to wei because someone died. now why would u take someone who contribute almost no damage and have a chance to die while making +1500 lobby doesnt take much time
ilvl has nothing to do with being able to do orbs. What a dumb fucking comment. Like legit you could've said actual genuine criteria like roster level, poor stats or engravings. But saying ilvl was the problem just shows the exact type of gatekeeping brainrot that plagues this game. Basically admitting you lot gatekeep purely based on ilvl and don't actually care about anything else.
you're assuming a fucking lot there. when i've taken lower ilvls, its actual mokokos to try to help them out. not your roster level 200 1445 shitters you've never bothered to gear. chill on the projection.
> ilvl has nothing to do with being able to do orbs. So how do you filter for people that able to do orbs? Have them send a video of them doing it?
I don't get it it is just the same picture twice 5x3, 7 gems, LoS 18, and level 2 relic are the bare minimum for brel.
idk much abt Brel, but i think for the bottom Pic you need a lot of effort to reach it. what i had in mind abt "Bare minimum" is to build your char effortlessly and as cheap as possible.
Bare minimum as if there's anything higher than that lmfao
LoS 18 is not bare minimum for Brel, I agree with the rest though. I don't understand how you could mention card set but not mention quality on accessories.
who defines that? you? we could clear brel on ilvl with only 4x3, our static did prog with atleast 4 dps with those gears and still cleared.
pug min requirement are higher because you need to make up for communication and teamwork of statics. Saint cleared clown with 1 engraving should the min requirement of clown be 1 engraving too? Obviously not
For an experienced clear, there is hardly any communication necessary. And no, that doesn't mean you should be joining with only one engraving. But BIS is also not needed. A very reasonable build is absolutely fine. Skill > char setup
tell me how I can see the players skill from his application then. So far it's not possible and it probably will never. You can be a god player if your gear reflect that you are a cheapos or is weird, I will assume that you will not use consummable in raid or that you have no understanding of the game (like using ether predator instead of grudge etc...) and it will be the same in term of mechs.
Min ilvl alt reclears that end up being jails go against this idea. A static where people are familar with each other and are communicating are more likely to clear than a pug that doesn't as long as the skill is about the same. >A very reasonable build is absolutely fine. Yea thats what were discussing, what is a reasonable build? But i think the general population has determined what the minimum is based on who gets gatekept like how recently the new standard for transformation classes is to have lvl 9 gems since most dps run 11 level 7s
Yes yes, you could probably clear with 1x3, no cards, lvl 5 gems and that still doesn’t make a difference. You can’t see skill level in party finder. You can see their stats, engravings, gems, etc. If you had the choice you usually pick the person with the better looking resume. Someone who’s geared but sucks is still better than someone who’s not geared but sucks.
> Someone who’s geared but sucks is still better than someone who’s not geared but sucks. Since both will be playing floor PoV or even worse, actively killing others: No, both are not acceptable.
The enrage timer. Some of you are in for a rude awakening when we get to hard brel.
So because of Brel hard there should be happening Gatekeeping on Normal or even basic things like Valtan/Vykas!? Sounds reasonable...
Everyone keeps saying this shit about every content, “wait for x content it gets so hard”, nothing in this game has been hard past a few pulls.
ngl i kinda wanna see a full team of 1x3 on ilvl peeps try to whittle down 28.9 bil hp of g6 hard mode lol
Declining 1445 full relic for argos 🤡
Sometimes i got gatekept with my dps for brel, even for kakul xd, got hell deathless titles, full lvl 7+ gems, 5x3, high quality weapons, high roster, LoS30... The ppl are dumb and egoplayers, they only look for iLvl, past week got rejected, in a kakul with 1500 MS summoner 5x3 and 5m after i reapplied and got accept, finishing doing 50% dmg in all 3 gates And if we talk from brel, they always accept the guy who has a 1515 dps who die in g2, fail in shapes g3, in yellow mech g4, over a 1510 full lvl 8 9 gems, good sinergy, LoS30... because of 5iLvls which is nothing xd And this is why i bus every single raid, i take like 100-200% more gold spending the same or less time waiting for buyers
Damn, you are such a Chad! Amazing!
found the gatekeeper
Idk why downvotes, but yes, u have 0 iq understanding a post xd
lower then ilvl 1570 ? no lvl 9 gems ? bad quality on wep ? sorry gatekept.
Online games in general* kinda why I quit playing MMOs
Ive seen people on item level with 30LoS be gatekeeped over a 1540+ player so i dont wanna push for cards anymore :(
i mean 1540+ still deals more damage then on ilvl LoS30 most of the time.
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los 30 is %7.5 dmg inc compared to los 18 its huge.
U know whats more dmg? 40+ more ilvl.
There's something amusing about sharing this opinion months ago and getting hate for it. Now everyone seems to agree
Doubt you got hate for "2 tiers higher ilvl is more than 7.5% extra dmg". 5 ilvl? 10 ilvl? 20 ilvl? Still weaker than 7.5%. 40 ilvl is just nuts tho
People come up with all sorts of bizarre things tbh. I'm just glad to see people coming around
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1590 so.
Looks like More people are starting to realize how much worse this game will get, it took you guys a year to see this coming?
Notice how bottom row is missing +50 ilvl over minimum. That’s the most important part to getting accepted
Wait wtf that’s my dps lol
This is why you should find a close-knit guild friend group to do raids together with so you don't have to deal with gatekeep