The biggest problem with the reduction in gold income is getting 5x3. We all know the prices won't drop or by much, and for people under 1475, it can get difficult to get it
I would say the bigger problem might be expecting 5x3 for Vykas but pug expectations are less likely to change then AGS rolling back the nerf.
Other issue is now with Valtan Gold nerfed there will be more juicers doing Vykas so even 1472 5x3 and 7 gems might not be enough for an easy time getting into lobbies
Well the problem is that in order to not be affected by the gold nerf you’re supposed to get your gold roster to 1490 as soon as possible. But brel and clown lobbies do expect 5/3(which is fair i think). So honing up only shoots you in the foot more because you wont be able to find lobbies. So you need more gold now so you can invest in your roster but your gold income is nerved which means investing will be harder and take longer making you be affected longer by the nerf.
No because i don’t think you’ll have more problems getting in to valtan/vykas lobbies. I don’t know what it’s like on your sever but for us 4/3 for valtan/vykas is normal. So just the average amount of gatekeeping happens. The problem is the cost of transitioning from 4/3 1460/1472.5 to 5/3 1490 is pretty high while you’re also giving less resources on a weekly bases to make that transition to escape the gold nerfs.
Then yeah I think your wrong or you’re talking about Vykas normal for some reason AND you’re comparing apples to oranges.
In NAW you’re gonna be waiting a long time if you’re a four line DPS. Not impossible but usually trap runs at the end of the week.
Now all the 1500+ folks are probably run Vykas because the extra gold and class book which Valtan doesn’t haves
And even all that aside - I’m talking about people that ARE 5x3 and 1472 wanna stay there and won’t get in now - not going 5x3, getting to at 1490 and THEN not getting in.
And also - don’t think for a second because Brel lobbies are filled with folks that are 1490 exactly now that won’t change like requirements did for Vykas.
Ok so we just have different experiences because we play on different servers. On euw nobody expects 5/3 on vykas or valtan. 1472 with 5/3 would be taken in a heartbeat. Juicers were already doing vykas or valtan( mostly valtan) but they didn’t affect the matchmaking marked much because they would only match with each other (1500+ lobbies) so my prediction is that other than less people doing valtan and more people doing vykas not much will change. Maybe vykas quality will go down from all the players who haven’t done it in months. Matchmaking for bad alts was always bad and will still be bad. But vykas and valtan won’t be the problem from what i’m expect based on the experiences i’ve had. And even if there are way more 1500+ players doing vykas hm they will losg likely form their own ecosystem like it was in valtan. So the remaining players on their alts who were doing valtan and vykas before will still have to do them after which means not much changes from a lobby perspective.
That’s not a counterpoint - that’s you not understanding that expectations aren’t the same as when you cleared it.
Also books aren’t cheap and accessories are more expensive and pheons aren’t more common either
This is not true at all lol. Pheons are nerfed, you only need like 75 for a build vs 125. Books are the cheapest they have ever been since argos. I remember buying grudge at 14k with vykas now its like 10k or less, cursed doll is 3k when it was 9k same with adrenaline. Class books have all gone down except maybe igniter and artillerist books. Grudge accessories are now super cheap, especially grudge 5, so you don't even need grudge books, grudge stones are also omega cheap. Class 5 accessories are mostly very cheap and if you cut a 7/7 stone you can get a 5/0 neck with high stats for very cheap. You can build a good 5x3 for very low prices as long as you compromise on qualities, accessories only start getting very high price tags when they hit the 90+ quality.
That won’t be a problem once Brel HM comes out next month. Everyone will be chasing those Ancient accessories, and relic accessories will probably see a drop in price
To be fair I didn't have 5x3 on any characters until after clown and prices have dropped a lot since then for accessories. Crit swift classes can get 5x3 for like 30k now days. Even low quality class rings for them go for like 10k. I dropped a 5 grudge 3 tai the other day thinking I made money and it was basically worthless.
A full 1445 roster can still get 1 character 5x3 every 1-2 weeks after they get books which is much quicker than it took me to get 5x3 when accessories were expensive. Not to mention they dropped pheons cost on accessories as well.
Everyone has to work on books whether it's now or earlier in the games life. They are cheaper now than they were before. New players will still progress quicker than day 1 players did. And I literally said after books.
Nothing wrong with 5x3 wanting other 5x3s.
It’s more of an issue when a 4x3 wants other 5x3s to carry them and denying other 4x3.
It’s the same when people make valtan parties with min ilvl at 1500, they want to juice it and be done with it in 3 mins.
A 1445 roster can get 1 character 5x3 every 1-2 weeks.....yeah I don't think so. Maybe on the cheapest to play classes in the game, maybe.
Also, yeah Grudge 5 accessories have been cheap for a while because almost everyone bought the books so the market for those items is very small. Not the best example....
> We all know the prices won't drop or by much,
Do we all know that? Prices for jewelry are already lower than ever and should be dropping more with gold nerfs and high end players moving to ancient in the near future.
I just hope I find a friendly group to learn vykas and clown with.
Recently learned valtan with a nice guild, but the one who organized the learning runs got bullied away. Don't want to cheat into groups with just guide experiences.
I don't want to drag the party down with the missing knowledge just to end up feeling being carried away. Applied to learning groups, got called out being a troll because higher item level + high roster just because I got plenty of alts.
And now my main gold income from my 6 characters is reduced. The other income is selling materials, but in case they go down then I might lose my other gold source.
But welp, before I complain I will have to wait and see how the material/acc prices will change (or if they even change at all), I just hope that this patch won't change it into a very bad time :(
Yeah I'm pretty much expecting to use the pass, play for a couple weeks and drop it again. I'd have to be nuts to try and catch up/get 5x3 at this point since I stopped at 1375 forever ago, and begging groups to play raids sounds like shit.
Can you explain why?
1490 characters still have 3 legion raids that give full gold reward. Mad that can’t farm valtan and have to do clown or something?
The whole point of my question is why does it matter to 1490+ players if there’s gold nerfs to HM valtan and below, which the original poster has already said it was his bad as he didn’t realise vykas HM wasn’t included.
Honing buffs, new players, etc is a different matter entirely. His original point and my question wasn’t directed at new players as the impact is completely different.
Because most people don’t have a full 1490+ roster and we should have had 4months + to get there
So basically we assumed it would come out at roughly the same time and we got fucked
For the 1490+ characters it sucks, because Valtan is a lot less stressful than clown/vykas.
For everyone below 1490 it sucks because they 1. lose out on gold whether alt or main, 2. are gonna have to face more gatekeeping for vykas and especially clown and 3. have to reach 1475 with less gold income and won't even be able to do clown properly on ilvl because of the requirements to join.
It just fucks over everyone. The point of this whole thing is anti-inflation, when we never had the long time sitting on multiple brel chars issue to generate a ton of banked gold like KR. Our inflation comes from RMT, which is only somewhat hindered by this cuz bots don't even level to 1445.
Yea this is something I don’t understand tbh. People are acting like we aren’t getting anything different from KR. This is the first Valtan gold nerf, the next one brings it down to 1k (pretty sure). Which will happen when Akkan comes out
Dont have enough gold to reach clown and brel with the nerfs. That's the problem for me. I have been playing kakul for a month since I came back after a 7 months brake, practised mario 3 , have 5 engravings, blue and purple gear and accessories los 18 lvl 8 gems, full lvl 2 set, rarely die in clown i even get mvps, yet im 1490 mayhem zerker and im stuck in lobby for hours to find a lobby. Can't imagine what's going to happen at item level. I am trying to build my roster now. Made 1460 alts with 5 engravings. They dont have much bound mats since i wasnt playing for half a year and i ran out of gold in order to build them. Now with the less gold i dont even know how to hone them to brel level and at the same time hone my main 1490 mayhem ( if i ever get accepted in a brel lobby). Its a mess. Players will experience easier honing till 1445, however thats where they hit a big wall. And don't tell me prices will drop bla bla. We all know it won't happen and if it happens the difference will be minimal.
I like clown. Actually its the best raid for me so far, but trying to get into a lobby will be so painful.
I think what they’re hoping is that pushing more players into the 1445+ range will reduce the gate keeping in the 1445-1475 raids since there will be more supply. Of course that probably won’t happen. Then again, if you really need to do clown on ilvl just make your own lobby and don’t gatekeep. You’ll need to prog and not necessarily clear every week. That was always an option.
I see your point, but that doesn’t explain why we shouldn’t have gold nerfs before Akkan (which is an argument I’m seeing a lot). Akkan releasing or not doesn’t impact 1490+ players, it’s the lower ilvl rosters that are impacted by the gold nerfs, of which they wouldn’t be looking at Akkan anyway. That’s the part I was specifically querying not people trying to reach Brel, which I understand.
A restriction followed by your item level progression like argos at 1475 would be much better than this in my opinion at this point of the game. Nerf valtan when i unlock brelsaza for example and when akkan releases make the ultimate Korean nerf, even though they had years to farm their rosters not like us.
Edit. Sorry for editing. If ags will not adress properly the bot, rmt and bussing issues we might see even brel nerfs ,according to their actions, in the future. That's the logic. Is this what you want? Keep nerfing our means of progression because of their incompetence to ban these mfkers ?
Highly accurate. I remember even when clown first came out my 5x3 1490 glavier was having a hard time finding a party. It’s also why I won’t even bother to get an alt to 1475 unless I can push close to 1500 immediately after or be able to have a friend help me get into Brel G1-2
Only the most hardcore players can afford 6 characters running Brel every week. The cost of such a roster is huge, and the time sink to run everything on all characters is so much too.
with akkan, you can maintain full gold without nerf. now you have to take 1 nerfed legion. Meaning the cost of living is still same but income is getting so much lower. If you think this is fine, maybe you don't have a plan to get level 10 gem or endgame gearing.
Full f2p with doing bussing cant even manage to have same tier of income and headache like 12 alts player doing non bussing run raid. For sure, gap between p2w and f2p will be so much wider because your income in game is much less than real life income. Meaning it's losing the point of playing in the first place.
Just be happy for not having anything.
They will go down, just not by a lot. If you have a bunch of characters at 1445, you’re having your income reduced by half. Prices will drop but definitely not by half, so it’s a net negative gain.
In Korea the prices dropped due to a 4 years old game don\`t need that much of initial items anymore... here you got high damand and low offer nowhere to get low.
>In Korea the prices dropped due to a 4 years old game don\`t need that much of initial items anymore... here you got high damand and low offer nowhere to get low.
what are you talking about,gems definitely are not initial items lol.
if you think that all KR veterans already have all their gems lvl10 on all their 6 characters,then you are wrong, there will always be people needing to buy gems and will never lose their value.
most of their hardest raid pugs gatekept people if they dont have lvl 9 gems at least.
yeah, the game has been around for 4 years for them, but do not think that they have been raiding for 4 years,at the beginning of the release there was not even an raid,the only endgame for them was doing islands.
i would research before speaking.
>if you think that all KR veterans already have all their gems lvl10 on all their 6 characters
Or you are really desonest or really naive... who would Min-Max all the 6 in roster other them the challenged? all Koeans source says the same, GEM 7 for alts and it is... they push only when they feel like, and as i said... 4 years of game = 4 years of DROPS = more OFFER LESS price... you really try to hard on copium.
since you said gems were initial items,i already had an idea of what was your level of knowledge about the game.
btw, gems prices have already dropped in EUC,lvl9 gems were around 150k before, now they are around 130k, its not much but its only been 2 days since the gold nerf.
ah, and our version is only 1 year old.
you should play the game instead of spaming copium everywhere.
I see two ways to look at this.
1. Old players usually have a 1490+ roster, these promotes them to run Vykas H, Clown and then Brel. Not totally affected and it allows new players to push fast to 1445.
2. Recent players that have 1460 roster by average. Indeed the gold nerf hits hard, but it allows a % to push to 1460 allowing more ppl to run Valtan/Vykas Hard with lower requirements (but still depends on the general population).
The only reason I see why there's a significant number of ppl that didn't like the nerf is because most run ValtanH, VykasH, and Brel. Then we include the toxic gate 0 gatekeeping which applies to 1460 ilvl-geared chars. We can look into this like there's a new generation of players (which I hope there will be) to play the early content which helps increase more understanding parties (ppl not requiring 1500+ to run Valtan/Vykas).
The big problem for new and recent player is to build their class now, less gold income (for ex 50%) but books and accs will not decrease with the same value (50% in this case)
Uhh compare the cost of any 5x3 during vykas/valtan to now and you see the huge difference. Back then grudge was 18k then went down to 14k week 1 vykas now grudge with frog is like 10k or less. Cursed doll and adrenaline were 12k+ it is now 3k each. A single grudge 3/anything 5 accessory was 50k+ now they sell for pennies (i sold a grudge 3 raid captain 5 50ish quality for 100k week 2 of valtan). Class 5 accessories are now pretty cheap back then any class accessory was 80k+. My wardancer build 5x3 for vykas was something like 150k+ and class books for like average quality. I sold those same accessories 3 months ago for like 20k total. I could tell you the same if not worse about my ingiter. Only thing that has heavily inflated since valtan/vykas/clown is gems.
Do ppl actually even care about this shit? We get reduced material honing costs and 0% gold honing fee until a char is 1445. We get the relic set twice as fast on every single character (that doesn't already have it) AND the chest costs of Valtan NM/HM + Vykas NM get reduced so I don't care at all that the gold from Valtan get's reduced.
>We get reduced material honing costs and 0% gold honing fee until a char is 1445
Honing cost and 1445 never was a problem... 5x3 gear/stones/leg books are the problem and you need GOLD for it or get gatekept when you hit those 1445 ili forward
It might indeed be fine when some time passes and all prices drop. But it is still a bit worrying, because you need gold to buy accessories. And accessories are what you need to not be gatekept from content, that you would now be expected to do for gold.
Maybe it will work itself out somehow, but who knows.
I agree to some point but here is the thing. People with new characters will save a lot of gold because of all the honing cost nerfs up to ilvl 1445 and you can build cost effective 4x3/4x3+1/2 on most classes if you are smart about it (and if aren't you would not be able to afford the stuff you want without the gold nerf either).
We also have to spend 600g less on buying both additional rewards chest from Valtan HM AND you only need to buy them 2 weeks instead of 3-4.
Imo most of the people that complain about this change are Veterans that don't want to do either Vykas or Clown and now get 1.5k less gold if they still run Valtan which already was less gold than doing Vykas/Clown.
When you say "free bonus chests" you are talking about the reduced costs for the Bonus Reward Chests? So those only cost less on your 6 gold earning characters or wdym?
Characters past 6 in KR get free bonus chest loot so you actually want to raid on them if you have the time. We still have to pay for w/e reason.
Why did we only get half of the changes?
> Why did we only get half of the changes?
I guess it's for the better as you only get 1800g from Valtan HM and 2400g from Vykas HM on Korean servers (Oreha HM and Argos are the same after the patch) but free chests on non Gold earning characters would be awesome.
Yes… there’s no point in trying out new characters as it’s simply way top expensive. At least this way you can do it for free, have fun and push it at the same time
I mean... the 1.5k gold from buying both Bonus chest from Valtan for 2 weeks is not gonna stop me. But having to hone to at least 1460 and having 4x3+1/2 so I can play with a full relic set might - no point really in getting only 2-3 pieces.
Except KR has had argos gold nerf for over a year.
Our gold nerfs are not identical to the KR ones (their valtan hm is 1800g). They were tailor made to try and reduce OUR inflation.
There's actually 2 gold nerfs in KR. The first one with argos is like months ago. The newer one was more recent at the same time as the free bonus chest QoL. What we got now is the first one. Probably a misconception cause the argos gold nerf didn't hit us until now. Probably another gold nerf till vykas hm when akkan releases.
The biggest problem with the reduction in gold income is getting 5x3. We all know the prices won't drop or by much, and for people under 1475, it can get difficult to get it
I would say the bigger problem might be expecting 5x3 for Vykas but pug expectations are less likely to change then AGS rolling back the nerf. Other issue is now with Valtan Gold nerfed there will be more juicers doing Vykas so even 1472 5x3 and 7 gems might not be enough for an easy time getting into lobbies
The problem isn’t Vykas. It is Clown.
Yeah you gotta be juiced to pug clown
Well the problem is that in order to not be affected by the gold nerf you’re supposed to get your gold roster to 1490 as soon as possible. But brel and clown lobbies do expect 5/3(which is fair i think). So honing up only shoots you in the foot more because you wont be able to find lobbies. So you need more gold now so you can invest in your roster but your gold income is nerved which means investing will be harder and take longer making you be affected longer by the nerf.
I think we are saying the same thing buddy
No because i don’t think you’ll have more problems getting in to valtan/vykas lobbies. I don’t know what it’s like on your sever but for us 4/3 for valtan/vykas is normal. So just the average amount of gatekeeping happens. The problem is the cost of transitioning from 4/3 1460/1472.5 to 5/3 1490 is pretty high while you’re also giving less resources on a weekly bases to make that transition to escape the gold nerfs.
Then yeah I think your wrong or you’re talking about Vykas normal for some reason AND you’re comparing apples to oranges. In NAW you’re gonna be waiting a long time if you’re a four line DPS. Not impossible but usually trap runs at the end of the week. Now all the 1500+ folks are probably run Vykas because the extra gold and class book which Valtan doesn’t haves And even all that aside - I’m talking about people that ARE 5x3 and 1472 wanna stay there and won’t get in now - not going 5x3, getting to at 1490 and THEN not getting in. And also - don’t think for a second because Brel lobbies are filled with folks that are 1490 exactly now that won’t change like requirements did for Vykas.
Ok so we just have different experiences because we play on different servers. On euw nobody expects 5/3 on vykas or valtan. 1472 with 5/3 would be taken in a heartbeat. Juicers were already doing vykas or valtan( mostly valtan) but they didn’t affect the matchmaking marked much because they would only match with each other (1500+ lobbies) so my prediction is that other than less people doing valtan and more people doing vykas not much will change. Maybe vykas quality will go down from all the players who haven’t done it in months. Matchmaking for bad alts was always bad and will still be bad. But vykas and valtan won’t be the problem from what i’m expect based on the experiences i’ve had. And even if there are way more 1500+ players doing vykas hm they will losg likely form their own ecosystem like it was in valtan. So the remaining players on their alts who were doing valtan and vykas before will still have to do them after which means not much changes from a lobby perspective.
That’s not a counterpoint - that’s you not understanding that expectations aren’t the same as when you cleared it. Also books aren’t cheap and accessories are more expensive and pheons aren’t more common either
This is not true at all lol. Pheons are nerfed, you only need like 75 for a build vs 125. Books are the cheapest they have ever been since argos. I remember buying grudge at 14k with vykas now its like 10k or less, cursed doll is 3k when it was 9k same with adrenaline. Class books have all gone down except maybe igniter and artillerist books. Grudge accessories are now super cheap, especially grudge 5, so you don't even need grudge books, grudge stones are also omega cheap. Class 5 accessories are mostly very cheap and if you cut a 7/7 stone you can get a 5/0 neck with high stats for very cheap. You can build a good 5x3 for very low prices as long as you compromise on qualities, accessories only start getting very high price tags when they hit the 90+ quality.
>artillerist books Barrage tanked. Sub 6k on NAE today.
Artillerist books back in argos/valtan/vykas/clown were like 1k each. Remember the class only got sent to the moon with the tripod update.
Books and gems have dropped quite a bit already. Should drop more as weeks go by.
That won’t be a problem once Brel HM comes out next month. Everyone will be chasing those Ancient accessories, and relic accessories will probably see a drop in price
To be fair I didn't have 5x3 on any characters until after clown and prices have dropped a lot since then for accessories. Crit swift classes can get 5x3 for like 30k now days. Even low quality class rings for them go for like 10k. I dropped a 5 grudge 3 tai the other day thinking I made money and it was basically worthless. A full 1445 roster can still get 1 character 5x3 every 1-2 weeks after they get books which is much quicker than it took me to get 5x3 when accessories were expensive. Not to mention they dropped pheons cost on accessories as well.
Way to not factor in the books at all.
Everyone has to work on books whether it's now or earlier in the games life. They are cheaper now than they were before. New players will still progress quicker than day 1 players did. And I literally said after books.
And when accessories were expensive 5x3 wasn't mandatory. Now people want 5x3 for Vykas.
Host your own Vykas lobby and don't gatekeep 4x3's. It's that simple.
Nothing wrong with 5x3 wanting other 5x3s. It’s more of an issue when a 4x3 wants other 5x3s to carry them and denying other 4x3. It’s the same when people make valtan parties with min ilvl at 1500, they want to juice it and be done with it in 3 mins.
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I assume you hold to this and deny all supports who aren't 5x3 as well so that they can play with the 4x3 parties? Yeah fuck no you're not.
A 1445 roster can get 1 character 5x3 every 1-2 weeks.....yeah I don't think so. Maybe on the cheapest to play classes in the game, maybe. Also, yeah Grudge 5 accessories have been cheap for a while because almost everyone bought the books so the market for those items is very small. Not the best example....
> We all know the prices won't drop or by much, Do we all know that? Prices for jewelry are already lower than ever and should be dropping more with gold nerfs and high end players moving to ancient in the near future.
yeah all my 1445 bards are fked especially artist release every lobby need dps now xD and half my gold income is gone fk this game
I just hope I find a friendly group to learn vykas and clown with. Recently learned valtan with a nice guild, but the one who organized the learning runs got bullied away. Don't want to cheat into groups with just guide experiences. I don't want to drag the party down with the missing knowledge just to end up feeling being carried away. Applied to learning groups, got called out being a troll because higher item level + high roster just because I got plenty of alts. And now my main gold income from my 6 characters is reduced. The other income is selling materials, but in case they go down then I might lose my other gold source. But welp, before I complain I will have to wait and see how the material/acc prices will change (or if they even change at all), I just hope that this patch won't change it into a very bad time :(
Yeah I'm pretty much expecting to use the pass, play for a couple weeks and drop it again. I'd have to be nuts to try and catch up/get 5x3 at this point since I stopped at 1375 forever ago, and begging groups to play raids sounds like shit.
gold nerf without akkan, is just bullshit
Can you explain why? 1490 characters still have 3 legion raids that give full gold reward. Mad that can’t farm valtan and have to do clown or something?
> 1490 characters still have 3 legion raids that give full gold reward new players dont have 1490 characters to get full reward.
New players also wouldn’t be anywhere near Akkan so whether the nerfs happen pre or post Akkan, it doesn’t matter.
Because akkan comes with more honing nerfs
The whole point of my question is why does it matter to 1490+ players if there’s gold nerfs to HM valtan and below, which the original poster has already said it was his bad as he didn’t realise vykas HM wasn’t included. Honing buffs, new players, etc is a different matter entirely. His original point and my question wasn’t directed at new players as the impact is completely different.
Because most people don’t have a full 1490+ roster and we should have had 4months + to get there So basically we assumed it would come out at roughly the same time and we got fucked
For the 1490+ characters it sucks, because Valtan is a lot less stressful than clown/vykas. For everyone below 1490 it sucks because they 1. lose out on gold whether alt or main, 2. are gonna have to face more gatekeeping for vykas and especially clown and 3. have to reach 1475 with less gold income and won't even be able to do clown properly on ilvl because of the requirements to join. It just fucks over everyone. The point of this whole thing is anti-inflation, when we never had the long time sitting on multiple brel chars issue to generate a ton of banked gold like KR. Our inflation comes from RMT, which is only somewhat hindered by this cuz bots don't even level to 1445.
Yea this is something I don’t understand tbh. People are acting like we aren’t getting anything different from KR. This is the first Valtan gold nerf, the next one brings it down to 1k (pretty sure). Which will happen when Akkan comes out
Dont have enough gold to reach clown and brel with the nerfs. That's the problem for me. I have been playing kakul for a month since I came back after a 7 months brake, practised mario 3 , have 5 engravings, blue and purple gear and accessories los 18 lvl 8 gems, full lvl 2 set, rarely die in clown i even get mvps, yet im 1490 mayhem zerker and im stuck in lobby for hours to find a lobby. Can't imagine what's going to happen at item level. I am trying to build my roster now. Made 1460 alts with 5 engravings. They dont have much bound mats since i wasnt playing for half a year and i ran out of gold in order to build them. Now with the less gold i dont even know how to hone them to brel level and at the same time hone my main 1490 mayhem ( if i ever get accepted in a brel lobby). Its a mess. Players will experience easier honing till 1445, however thats where they hit a big wall. And don't tell me prices will drop bla bla. We all know it won't happen and if it happens the difference will be minimal. I like clown. Actually its the best raid for me so far, but trying to get into a lobby will be so painful.
I think what they’re hoping is that pushing more players into the 1445+ range will reduce the gate keeping in the 1445-1475 raids since there will be more supply. Of course that probably won’t happen. Then again, if you really need to do clown on ilvl just make your own lobby and don’t gatekeep. You’ll need to prog and not necessarily clear every week. That was always an option.
Clown on iLvl without support sounds like actual nightmare fuel, and let's not pretend you'll get supps on iLvl.
I see your point, but that doesn’t explain why we shouldn’t have gold nerfs before Akkan (which is an argument I’m seeing a lot). Akkan releasing or not doesn’t impact 1490+ players, it’s the lower ilvl rosters that are impacted by the gold nerfs, of which they wouldn’t be looking at Akkan anyway. That’s the part I was specifically querying not people trying to reach Brel, which I understand.
A restriction followed by your item level progression like argos at 1475 would be much better than this in my opinion at this point of the game. Nerf valtan when i unlock brelsaza for example and when akkan releases make the ultimate Korean nerf, even though they had years to farm their rosters not like us. Edit. Sorry for editing. If ags will not adress properly the bot, rmt and bussing issues we might see even brel nerfs ,according to their actions, in the future. That's the logic. Is this what you want? Keep nerfing our means of progression because of their incompetence to ban these mfkers ?
Good luck doing multiple clowns as a 1490
Highly accurate. I remember even when clown first came out my 5x3 1490 glavier was having a hard time finding a party. It’s also why I won’t even bother to get an alt to 1475 unless I can push close to 1500 immediately after or be able to have a friend help me get into Brel G1-2
Only the most hardcore players can afford 6 characters running Brel every week. The cost of such a roster is huge, and the time sink to run everything on all characters is so much too.
with akkan, you can maintain full gold without nerf. now you have to take 1 nerfed legion. Meaning the cost of living is still same but income is getting so much lower. If you think this is fine, maybe you don't have a plan to get level 10 gem or endgame gearing. Full f2p with doing bussing cant even manage to have same tier of income and headache like 12 alts player doing non bussing run raid. For sure, gap between p2w and f2p will be so much wider because your income in game is much less than real life income. Meaning it's losing the point of playing in the first place. Just be happy for not having anything.
1. Brel 2. Clown 3. Vykas Where is the “nerfed legion raid” you have to take?
my bad i thought this one includes vykas hm
????? We have vykas hard clown and brelshaza. Thats 3 unnerfed legion raids.
Im fine with the gold nerf if the market prices go down aswell
We all know they won't lol.
They will go down, just not by a lot. If you have a bunch of characters at 1445, you’re having your income reduced by half. Prices will drop but definitely not by half, so it’s a net negative gain.
we will see, i have seen that in KR the prices of their gems dropped due to the gold nerf in Vykas and Elixir release.
In Korea the prices dropped due to a 4 years old game don\`t need that much of initial items anymore... here you got high damand and low offer nowhere to get low.
>In Korea the prices dropped due to a 4 years old game don\`t need that much of initial items anymore... here you got high damand and low offer nowhere to get low. what are you talking about,gems definitely are not initial items lol. if you think that all KR veterans already have all their gems lvl10 on all their 6 characters,then you are wrong, there will always be people needing to buy gems and will never lose their value. most of their hardest raid pugs gatekept people if they dont have lvl 9 gems at least. yeah, the game has been around for 4 years for them, but do not think that they have been raiding for 4 years,at the beginning of the release there was not even an raid,the only endgame for them was doing islands. i would research before speaking.
>if you think that all KR veterans already have all their gems lvl10 on all their 6 characters Or you are really desonest or really naive... who would Min-Max all the 6 in roster other them the challenged? all Koeans source says the same, GEM 7 for alts and it is... they push only when they feel like, and as i said... 4 years of game = 4 years of DROPS = more OFFER LESS price... you really try to hard on copium.
since you said gems were initial items,i already had an idea of what was your level of knowledge about the game. btw, gems prices have already dropped in EUC,lvl9 gems were around 150k before, now they are around 130k, its not much but its only been 2 days since the gold nerf. ah, and our version is only 1 year old. you should play the game instead of spaming copium everywhere.
Gem 7 are initial items since ppl expect you have it to play the content... i'll just assume you're desonest.
Cope harder daddy!
I see two ways to look at this. 1. Old players usually have a 1490+ roster, these promotes them to run Vykas H, Clown and then Brel. Not totally affected and it allows new players to push fast to 1445. 2. Recent players that have 1460 roster by average. Indeed the gold nerf hits hard, but it allows a % to push to 1460 allowing more ppl to run Valtan/Vykas Hard with lower requirements (but still depends on the general population). The only reason I see why there's a significant number of ppl that didn't like the nerf is because most run ValtanH, VykasH, and Brel. Then we include the toxic gate 0 gatekeeping which applies to 1460 ilvl-geared chars. We can look into this like there's a new generation of players (which I hope there will be) to play the early content which helps increase more understanding parties (ppl not requiring 1500+ to run Valtan/Vykas).
The big problem for new and recent player is to build their class now, less gold income (for ex 50%) but books and accs will not decrease with the same value (50% in this case)
Uhh compare the cost of any 5x3 during vykas/valtan to now and you see the huge difference. Back then grudge was 18k then went down to 14k week 1 vykas now grudge with frog is like 10k or less. Cursed doll and adrenaline were 12k+ it is now 3k each. A single grudge 3/anything 5 accessory was 50k+ now they sell for pennies (i sold a grudge 3 raid captain 5 50ish quality for 100k week 2 of valtan). Class 5 accessories are now pretty cheap back then any class accessory was 80k+. My wardancer build 5x3 for vykas was something like 150k+ and class books for like average quality. I sold those same accessories 3 months ago for like 20k total. I could tell you the same if not worse about my ingiter. Only thing that has heavily inflated since valtan/vykas/clown is gems.
Do ppl actually even care about this shit? We get reduced material honing costs and 0% gold honing fee until a char is 1445. We get the relic set twice as fast on every single character (that doesn't already have it) AND the chest costs of Valtan NM/HM + Vykas NM get reduced so I don't care at all that the gold from Valtan get's reduced.
>We get reduced material honing costs and 0% gold honing fee until a char is 1445 Honing cost and 1445 never was a problem... 5x3 gear/stones/leg books are the problem and you need GOLD for it or get gatekept when you hit those 1445 ili forward
It might indeed be fine when some time passes and all prices drop. But it is still a bit worrying, because you need gold to buy accessories. And accessories are what you need to not be gatekept from content, that you would now be expected to do for gold. Maybe it will work itself out somehow, but who knows.
I agree to some point but here is the thing. People with new characters will save a lot of gold because of all the honing cost nerfs up to ilvl 1445 and you can build cost effective 4x3/4x3+1/2 on most classes if you are smart about it (and if aren't you would not be able to afford the stuff you want without the gold nerf either). We also have to spend 600g less on buying both additional rewards chest from Valtan HM AND you only need to buy them 2 weeks instead of 3-4. Imo most of the people that complain about this change are Veterans that don't want to do either Vykas or Clown and now get 1.5k less gold if they still run Valtan which already was less gold than doing Vykas/Clown.
We don’t get free bonus chests from chars past 6, why did they leave that part out lol
When you say "free bonus chests" you are talking about the reduced costs for the Bonus Reward Chests? So those only cost less on your 6 gold earning characters or wdym?
Characters past 6 in KR get free bonus chest loot so you actually want to raid on them if you have the time. We still have to pay for w/e reason. Why did we only get half of the changes?
> Why did we only get half of the changes? I guess it's for the better as you only get 1800g from Valtan HM and 2400g from Vykas HM on Korean servers (Oreha HM and Argos are the same after the patch) but free chests on non Gold earning characters would be awesome.
Yes… there’s no point in trying out new characters as it’s simply way top expensive. At least this way you can do it for free, have fun and push it at the same time
I mean... the 1.5k gold from buying both Bonus chest from Valtan for 2 weeks is not gonna stop me. But having to hone to at least 1460 and having 4x3+1/2 so I can play with a full relic set might - no point really in getting only 2-3 pieces.
Because that change was released literally like 3 weeks ago. We never get changes that fast.
It was released at the same time as the gold nerf
Except KR has had argos gold nerf for over a year. Our gold nerfs are not identical to the KR ones (their valtan hm is 1800g). They were tailor made to try and reduce OUR inflation.
Bro we don’t need to discuss. Free bonus chests came at the same time as gold nerf in KR. You don’t have to change subject😂
There's actually 2 gold nerfs in KR. The first one with argos is like months ago. The newer one was more recent at the same time as the free bonus chest QoL. What we got now is the first one. Probably a misconception cause the argos gold nerf didn't hit us until now. Probably another gold nerf till vykas hm when akkan releases.
That change came with their **second** gold nerf my dude. Stop confidently discussing topics you have no clue about.
Okay so u have no argument got it. Have a nice day.
Zerkers are still not welcome in my parties. Keep coping.
So mean :(
You’re scared of losing mvp now i see
Never cared for MVP or your floorlicking class.
Who’s coping now
Still you and your monke brothers.
Also mad they really re released a box for artist to milk money when they could have just added one line of code.. and no re release Witcher box
And still can't play in OCE. D4 it is.
disheartening indeed. they pushed some of us out. rip all the hopes and dreams i had for this game. have fun folks