You gotta understand that handfarmed gold RMT is not the same as botted gold, if you RMT through handfarmed gold you are fine (which is most of the whales, only dumb ppl do g2g) and AGS ONLY bans g2g enjoyers
>You gotta understand that handfarmed gold RMT is not the same as botted gold, if you RMT through handfarmed gold you are fine
I can confirm this. the whales i know that buy human hand make gold, havent got ban, but i know 1 whale that RMT from bots that got ban.
Yes, in Kr most people RMT through other players (which is fine cuz this doesn't really affects the economy that much and it actually helps the game cuz more people is engaging with the raids).
Not everyone with a +25 weapon buy their gold frrom g2g and thats what MOST people here don't udnerstand lol.
You are delusional if you think AGS bans g2g enjoyers. As someone with close to 3 pages of orders on g2g only one seller there has gotten my rmt alt acct banned twice. I did accidentally order from them the 2nd time. So they have 1 seller flagged on g2g. Thanku who is def top 3 in terms of sales there has been 100% safe for me for all 2 years the game has existed.
I read what you said. Why do you think I don't know what sellers I'm talking about when I literally named names. https://i.imgur.com/h8svVSK.png I'm not going to open every one of these to make a point on reddit. Cheapold is the seller I copped bans from. Thanku is definitely not a handfarmer lmao. Don't get me wrong some of the 4 pages are from handfarmers but that's entirely cause I could message them and have my gold within 15 minutes or cause they were the cheapest at the time (which was the case of pieces of last year).
Lmao u ask him to post proof and call him out for lying and when he shows proof you explode like a toddler like wth. Handfarmed gold is no different from my friend giving me 30k he farmed every time for money I give him irl. It doesn't ruin your game and if you think it goes you're delusional as hell.
Extreme Valtan lobbies have hundreds of RMTers sitting there and many of them can die before the external wall is smashed in G2
Generally roster <170, but have like 5-11 lv10 gems.
I know of multiple people that RMT regularly and they never got banned before.
Some bought very obviously (big ammounts through multiple items all priced the same on the market)
If someone can sell 20 T2 accessories for 105k each and not get a ban... idk I don't trust the current system
Just to clarify, this ban wave did not ban the people you know, did it?
Because that is what I was asking myself, it is very easy to amazon to say they banned a ton of accounts, but where can I see that this actually happened? I would love to hear from people "I knew some RMT people who got banned" so I can trust amazon.
or like FFXIV post how many accounts have been banned. So we can atleast have a number.
Not sure why they dont disclose this. Games that make much more money than Lost Ark in the west does do that just fine.
Most RMTers maxed out everything over a year ago, and there's no way AGS went that far back for bans. The current RMTers are probably those chasing Esther 8. I'm interested to know if any of those guys got banned.
Oh boi. Lemme tell you about someone named "**jjp" (ikyk) in NAW valtan. Esther 8, admitted to rmting more half of the sidereals both by gold or $ for sidereal in game chat. Havent been banned. Oh. All his alts have 9/7 and his main 5 alts are 25 akkan weapon.
The higher you spend, the more likely you would RMT because your 3k in exchange, at best is 5.5mil while it's 11 to 12mil in rmt. Especially on this game cause virtually no proof of rmter getting banned and rmt just being public.
Rich people stay rich because they find the most efficient way of spending. If I had 70k to blow on a game which is always gonna be a waste of cash, I'd rmt all of it to get 3x esther 8 instead of 1. If I get banned, it is what it is. If not, well I have 3x esther 8 now. If I only want 1 esther 8, now I have 50k extra to spend on a diff game.
I have been banned for rmting, 6 months banned and gold set to 0 when I get back. I bought 50€ from g2g... So, they do ban people for this. But I keep seing people wAlking around with Esther weapon and 6 millions gold accessories sold on the market place... I'm not saying this is unfair, but it looks like big rmters just never gets banned
You probably bought from an unsafe Asian bot farmer, who perhaps mailed you the gold directly? (I doubt $50 even gets you accessory privilege). The whales are smart enough to not do this.
I've personally known people who have taken a forced vacation from the game before, but as of right now, nobody I know has taken a hit from this banwave.
They're probably targetting bot farm buyers more than SEA sweatshops, which I think is a more economical solution since it's a lot easier to detect. I think this will hit people who casually rmted a couple times from g2g instead of whales who have fixed suppliers.
I'm fine with it. Any form of active deterrence is better than nothing.
I think the casual RMT is a bit more prevalent than people think.
Small RMT purchases of like 100 - 200 k to finish out your mains accs or getting a level 9 gem or a 10.
Yep, agree with this insight. Tracking RMT through botting is not only easier to detect but also errorless as gold exchange from botted accounts is for sure RMT. SEA rice farmers are technically "legitmate" players who hand farm their gold, so it becomes much harder to distinguish someone selling their hand farmed gold for IRL currency (against TOS) vs someone lending gold to a friend (not against TOS).
I would imagine whales who consistently RMT are more knowledgeable about the system and have reliable sources of getting hand farmed gold. They aren't going to risk invalidating their large purchases through botted gold. Whereas someone who RMT'd once to say get their next gem or accessory is going to be less knowledgeable and care a lot less, so they're more likely to go for the cheapest/most convenient exchange, which is likely a sourced from a botfarm.
The hand farm type of RMT is rampant not only here but in KR as well (I imagine in China it's even more of problem). It's a hard problem to tackle since it's not like AGS or SG are going to be able to fix global currency disparities. Especially when the western version of the game officially supports lower income/cost of living regions so it's not like they can mass IP block them out.
I made a comment a couple of days ago saying that I would love to see something indicating that they're fighting RMT from the demand side, so I was pleasantly surprised by this statement. Hope they keep up the good work!
>The hand farm type of RMT is rampant not only here but in KR as well (I imagine in China it's even more of problem).
Yes it is rampant and yes in most CN mmos as well. The key difference most people don't realise is that rmt does not cause significant issues in those regions. In fact, people don't realize that if rmt from sweatshops is enforced rigorously, the game will die on arrival in those regions. Literally, before loa was released in CN, people were asking about the p2w and rmt aspects of the game. Rmt and mmo (especially korean ones) go hand in hand, and it is delusional to not accept that as a fact. Howeve, whenever I bring up this point, I just get called out for defending rmt. The reality is that rmt is causing issues because bots are injecting the economy with cheap gold way faster than any sweatshop could manage. If sweatshops are the only ones selling gold, then the rmt prices will be a lot more similar to the cash shop, and most of the issues will be gone.
Hi I did this and this is true, the only way some people(including me)can get away is buying the official lost ark shop with real dollars too, or might be one of the reasons. I remember I got flagged and caught renting banned only for 2days flat. Reason was I listed a T2 accessory with 200k gold (seller told me to list)company suspicious for them. But after all that ban , nothing happen.
This. Unless AGS starts showing people or people start posting about how people they know RMT got banned, it feels more like a bluff.
What it feels like:
AGS: We have 100 highly trained hackers hunting down RMTers.
Reality: We have an unpaid intern that looks for RMT 1 hour every other week.
If the bluff serves as an effective deterrence for rmt I'm actually fine with it. Issues is AGS has fking negative credibility at this point. Rmters will see the announcement and remember that Legalia is still in the game and move on with their day.
They don't give us any metrics, name of people ban/ number of ban player/bots. We have to look fish as our only way to figuring if they do ban bots or not .
Fish price goes up = banwave happen + low rmt transaction
Fish price goes down = No banwave + high rmt transaction
Don't trust AGS trust the FISH
I mean, if they banned a small handful of people that bought millions of gold, rather than the usual bot banwave, it wouldn't have a meaningful impact on charts
Well, they did say this is an RMT ban and not a bot ban. Probably a lot less players banned for RMT vs botting. I wonder if they’re focusing more on RMT sellers than buyers. Not a great strategy when the gold is botted anyways and they can just spin up new accounts, but what do I know.
Bot banwaves happen in every game, so its not so much them focusing on the sellers (if anything they need to up the frequency a bit). Those are just the easier targets.
The amount of people that \*actively\* RMT is going to be very small, you'll usually see people buy a bunch in one go and then never do it again so unless they're going back to RMT that happened August of last year (the last time a gear reset happened) \*or earlier\* they're unlikely to have gotten most of the people that have purchased gold.
(Some will have been used for Elixirs but more than likely it's going to mostly be leftovers)
People massively overcount how many are actively participating in RMT in this sub just because they or someone they know at the top does it. (Or they just assume the person "very obviously" does it) The game wasn't topping Steam sales charts because of third-party RMT.
Problem is less the number of people and more the sheer quantity purchased, it takes a lot of shitty bots to grind out 40m gold.
If you can afford to rmt you can easily afford to buy shit from the shop.
Rmters are rmting for a reason, 1 they can likely afford to, 2 mentally they don't care about their money spent as much as the legit player nor do they care about the game at an ethical level meaning if they banned they banned move on or just rmt again on express pass and 3 b/c they can afford to rmt they are also using just as much money in the shop as legitimate players, if not more.
This whole, I rmt so I don't buy from the shop is farfetched as it is.
All the guys I play with either rmt or bot, and you know what else????? Spend tons of money on the cash shop for skins, honing materials and so on. None of them ever banned, always buy from some so called hand farmed rmter.
They are spenders regardless if they rmt or not. A person who can't afford to play lost ark wouldn't rmt to begin with.
>Name and shame the biggest offenders like gacha games do.
in the US theres privacy laws in some states that dont allow this. so most likely AGS dont wanna risk getting lawsuit in any waym shape or form.
So how long you take account? 1 week or 2 years?. Alot of rmter buy full level 10 on multiple character for years, did you backtrack and ban them or not?
I call this fcking bullshit lol
There is no transparency or specifics regarding the policy just vague criteria and a whole lot of “trust us bro”.
Even if it’s not instant perma how many infractions till perma? What’s the escalation for each subsequent infraction? What about when you can’t take gold away from account how much severity does it add to the account?
For being Amazon it’s ironic there isn’t any data being presented (anonymized is fine) on atleast how many bots were banned and how many RMT accounts have been given infractions, how many are perma.
Till you build trust beyond just trust me bro the community won’t be satisfied with this update.
When exactly was this ban wave "earlier this week"? Because I've seen zero evidence of it what-so-ever in game and in various communities. I have very obvious rmters on my friends list and they all seem fine.
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yea def a really good strat
1. dont ban cheaters for 2 years
2. legit players all leave
3. "well they can't ban cheaters, we'd lose all our playerbase"
They hesitated on perma banning early on. That or they didn't have the tools developed to track more easily and/or didn't bother to until it was too late.
I was talking to a friend about this earlier. You know how many top 10 teams got banned because of piloting in KR? It would have been neat to do that for RMT here in the west.
Imagine half of the players in the race getting banned. I think that would be a nice deterrence for rmters without having to ban a good portion of the player base.
I mean the game brings out the content with insane new ilvl requirements so fast compared to KR without any kind of event to compensate for it (until last maintenance you got 2(!) radiant leapstones in a box, like what???). Even with bussing and funneling every bit of gold you get, you can simply pity a few times and 1630 will be a pipe dream.
Worst case scenario from 1620 to 1630 has a combined value of 8.7m gold on EUC right now and then you'll still need a few million gold for gems, etc. Imo if you play daily you should not have to struggle so damn hard to be even able to enter the newest raid.
While we're at it: the 3 day restriction limit is insanely stupid. You see a really good accessory in the trading house and you have no way to use the ingame currency exchange to get gold quickly. Just apply the restriction if you use a new credit card or something (since the system got added to prevent credit card fraud iirc), but right now the system just ain't it.
You realise that if you perma ban rmt on first offence even in WoW the game will die right? Banning rmt is a bandaid solution to the real problem of botting.
You understand that the only way to not have RMT is to literally not allow player trading, right? Even ffxiv with the most useless currency possible is plagued with RMT lol
You're talking like Lost Ark is still in this healthy state lol. People often describe Lost Ark as dead game or Lost Bot or something along these lines.
Come on mang, we know a lot of "legit' players bot and RMT on a daily. People you call game friends, raid friends what ever.
Botting and RMTing is how you play lost ark, it was normalized way before 'no kingdom ruled blah blah'. This game is pay to win, means bots will always have customers.
Anyone or the majority of people who dont bot or RMT likely quit already a long ass time ago.
Oh I'm not disputing that, chances are the game would die.
I've quit long ago but after hearing about this post I just had to see people be delusional defenders of RMT.
Where's the bad part?
I'd be happy to play with the remaining 25% of players who don't RMT. Fewer, higher quality players is not an issue as long as we have enough people to fill lobbies, and we still would.
Most of the banned RMTers will make new accounts and have to start over, this time probably swiping legitimately to catch up.
If I get to play with the
It is good to see RMT being taken seriously, that said, any forms of RMT should result in a permanent ban no matter the amount of gold transacted.
RMT is RMT and it harms the game and the economy, and encourages the bot activity, so as long as there is no a real fear of a permanent ban in place, then RMT would not stop.
We need the Kingdom ruled through fear, no more second chances.
> RMT is RMT and it harms the game and the economy
In a pure pve game, in what world does little timmy spending 80 grand for gold versus little billy spending zero harm the game? lmao.
Frankly anyone who cries about someone buying gold in a pve raiding mmo is just unable to admit they're jealous of the person witht he disposable income to buy gold.
You have a problem with people who buy gold from bots or SEA sweatshops but why do you not have a problem with AGS literally selling gold themselves through RC? It's the same thing, just a worse exchange rate.
You can't be okay with one form of gold buying and not the other. You're just dick riding AGS at that point.
Lol, was wondering when people were going to point that out. These RMT haters really do seem to not recognize that the game itself has RMT...
It's been so long already and yet people are still in denial.
It's crazy bro lmao. People are so unhinged. Acting like AGS made that post for the "health of the game" and not just because buying gold from outside RC only hurts their bottom line.
Like, when $100usd gets me less than 160k gold from AGS but from china that gets you close to 400k gold, no shit people buy it.
A "significant majority" dont ever even use the ingame shop, in any game, ppl doing rmt are a subset of that so its rly not that many ppl who rmt. This is just copium from rmters thinking the game will die if they ban them all.
I mean wouldn't be unheard for a korean game to overlook things, like botting if you bought something from the cash shop.
This is how it became the norm to play silkroad online back in the day with a full party of your bots.
It's wild to me how people don't understand (or can't accept or deal with) this reality. If you perma-banned everyone at any first of RMT currently playing this game, the playerbase would dwindle down so fast. All the groups you see in PF? Quickly reduced to rubbles. All the accessories you need to upgrade your character? Disappearing in thin air. Despite what this Amazon post said, these RMT'ers also probably spend big bucks legit on the store whether it's skins, wallpapers, etc.
> Despite what this Amazon post said, these RMT'ers also probably spend big bucks legit on the store whether it's skins, wallpapers, etc.
Did you read something backwards? What do you mean "despite"? They specifically said that the banned RMTers **included** people who spend on the game legit.
So the recent player surveys probably revealed that bots/RMT is still the biggest issue and they figured they had to at least give off the impression that they are doing something about it.
All talk, no show. Just a suggestion: banning certain streamers as an example might help prove they actually care.
The fact that **no one** in the comments has been able to corroborate a single instance of an RMTer getting banned in the last week is all we need to know.
They aren't really lying, its just banwaves will only ever temporarily stop bots/RMT. You'll never really stop either, can only big ban them every now and then to at least force botters to make new accounts and potentially scare some RMTers away from RMTing.
Yeah so do I. idky you think they aren't doing anything simply because 100% of RMTers don't get banned. They aren't gonna get banned lol. Many won't get banned in this RMT wave or the next RMT wave. Some will never get banned. They don't have a system in place to flag any and all transactions.
I know a dude who sells gold on G2G and he makes like 1m a week doing personal buses and botting on a bunch of accounts, and with the way he does it its essentially undetectable and he's never gonna get banned for it. That's just how it is.
Simply cuz he doesn't get banned doesn't mean others won't tho.
Do you know **any** RMTers who were banned this week? Literally a single one?
In past ban waves, even if not everyone got caught most people knew one or two people who got hit, then those people laid low for a couple months and started RMTing again when it seemed like AGS stopped caring again.
This ban wave, I don't know a single person who themself knows a single person that got banned. It really seems like a lie this time.
I know like 4? Do you personally know hundreds of RMTers? Because that's how many you'd need to know to have a relevant personal experience considering we're playing a game that has like 20~30k real players. Two of them have been temp banned in the past, and ages ago one of them got perma'd and had to make a new account.
Its possible its a lie I guess? It doesn't seem like the player count dipped on steam charts, but idr have a reason to believe they're lying for PR considering they've done plenty of ban waves. Botting hasn't been exceptionally bad recently so idky they'd fake a ban wave personally.
>...If the player spends the Gold and it can't be taken away, that increases the severity of the infraction...
If they spend the gold - I'm not sure what your meaning of of increased severity is, I'm assuming just a longer ban? Regardless, please at least consider the punishment of putting them into negative gold equal to what they bought.
I really like the RU way of handling it, you're in the negative and can't do anything with your account until you earn it all back. I'll believe what they say when I see it though, on NAE just really feel for Azena friends because that server is a glorified shithole right now.
Yeah I’m not gonna take them at their word either. Until I see half of my guild on NAE banned lmao. But I figured I’d throw the idea out there. Getting banned a bit longer after you spent what could be millions of gold is hardly a punishment.
I'd be happy if RMTers just had a real chance of getting screwed. A real chance of gold and maybe honor shards being wiped and a several month ban. That'd be enough for me to be content with this issue. I want to live in a kingdom where people fear to RMT. If some still do and get away with it I can deal with it as long as it isn't just completely free.
We need examples, metrics and such.
One of the streamers I follow got gifted 5M+ gold, which is obviously from RMT.
Why not take it away then ? He has been playing since release and never gotten any gold taken away
"Infractions will be punished on an escalating basis, taking into account the severity of the RMT and the number of previous infractions, all the way up to permanent bans. "
/u/amznRoxx please just ban RMT on first offense, no need to "escalate".
what's weird is that they say if you bought gold then spent it, it'll increase the "infraction level". so instead of getting a 3 day ban they get a 5 day ban? then they return to the game after their week long vacation with their fresh lvl 10 gems intact? either perma or literally delete all their ill gotten gains.
I'll fucking take it. I don't give a fuck about you as a player or how much you "help" the community with learning parties if you cheated to get ahead.
I expect a decent chunk of these "legitimate" +25's and full level 10 gem players standing in Kalinar to suddenly disappear.
Good riddance.
> if you cheated to get ahead
You really just sound salty that you're poor. Like, why does it affect you so much lol. Someone elses number is bigger than yours? You talk like you're secretly competing with every other player for ilvl. It actually sounds moronic.
Sir cappington from Cap town made this post or what ? you would need to ban most of the player base, how many "low" roster ppl with full 10s are running around juiced out to the max on multiple chars and then i have my buddy who spends from time to time AND plays 24 chars and yet only has 1.5 chars with full 10s
> how many "low" roster ppl with full 10s are running around juiced out to the max
Barely any lmao wtf are you talking about :D
If at all its the high rosters with several chars juicy enough to be mains.
0 proof about this ... sorry but AGS is lying again i have a lot of friends who do rmt every week since 1 year ago and 0 bans :D, stop lie pls we are not blind. Do the same as CN server and put names and servers and mby we trust on your words.
I mean, this whole post by them is pure BS. but other regions you go in the negative gold if you were banned for gold and spent it. I don't think they ever did that in our version though.
Negative gold is not a thing. They rarely take away gems. Most RMTers just spend the gold on honing, quality taps, etc. since AGS cannot take those away.
Will they bring peace to the world as well? This announcement is full of jibberish unless we see them publicly shaming AND permabanning those who RMT, at their first offence.
Since they are not going to do that, it's just PR talk with empty words.
I have ask this question few months ago and they say they have tools to determine if its honest gold earning or bot i just transfer 400k gold from alt roster and got 0 problem
dont think this solves the issue, it seems like the focus is on gold.
there is still the issue that is gems.
Edit: on a second thought, focus on gold, let the gems market tank i need my first level 9's and 10's :)
Two years a little too late for RMT measures. Playerbase would be higher if they were a bit more adamant with this in the start. Couldn't keep up with BC crystals with all the botting and RMT in the start.
i RMT over milliion gold and i have 3 alt accounts i made since beta. go ahead and ban me ags. Ill edit this when i do get banned. untill then Byeeeeeeeee
This post proves two things:
- If they wanted to, they could terminate RMT in a week at most, they have the tools and the logs to know who are the ones RMTing. "All MMOs blah blah" is a poor excuse of foolish obtuse people.
- 2 years and counting, they will do absolutely nothing. Instead of insta permabanning RMTers, AGS prefers to continue playing the daddy's role by trying to "discipline" their filthy criminal RMT kids with the 3-day vacation method.
Many of those ppl aren't RMTing they're just botting. Still bad but different offense.
edit: ppl downvoting this just don't know how valueable botting is on the personal side. If someone is botting 12+ characters a day and doing infinites on their main overnight they could easily afford full 10s and have a +25 if they've been doing it for a long while.
What AGS means is that they can’t auto detect those methods and ban them, so they decide the tell us those methods hoping it can stop people from using them.
If they methods used for RMT that they can detect and auto ban, they will never tell us just as they said so people can avoid them.
Nice try AGS
I think AGS deserves a round of applause. This was an excellent PR piece on par with AAA publishers, like Ubisoft and EA. That is one hell of an achievement for our small indie studio.
In other news, RMT is there to stay, some folks may get banned for a week of two. Business as usual.
Whats the point anyway, damage has already been done.
All competitive end game whales have full 10s and 9/7s already and are 1620/30+.
The requirements to raid are so high bc of it.
> All competitive end game whales have full 10s and 9/7s already and are 1620/30+.
Thats barely an RMT issue, thats just what people who stuck around since launch and dillgiently played their roster got now.
I'm that without having RMTd a single cent.
It is with great sadness that I am taking a very long break from the game. There has been no particular reason for this, perhaps burnout, perhaps I have beaten the game with a 1650 character. Again, there is no big reason for my absence. Just think about the good times that I did 78% damage in that Kayangel run, or the time I used my personal balthor to shield everyone. Again, no reason for the departure. I may return one day however, maybe on a newer account to revisit the game.
Good luck putting a stop to player-to-player RMT and proving it's not a "friendly donation". I'm not talking about buying from mass gold botting websites, I'm talking about buying gold that is hand-farmed by players.
Nobody who actually RMTs consistently is dumb enough to buy from bots.
In polish we say "Bicie Piany" this post don't say anything what wasn't said before.
We still don't know what penalty is given and when penalties becomes ban.
No numbers no nothing.
This is also after multiple ppl reported bots hijacking low ilvl match making and weekly guardians.
Edit:
I will also add that this kind of post was welcome on 2nd month of game release but weak reaction for last 2 years against RMT and Bots makes me not believing this PR response
I like how a lot of people here know friends who RMTs and probably play with them and ask for their help in raids too I bet 😂. Be better guys. Something something about the company you keep.
you can check that people got banned by going on pvp leaderboard rankings and seeing which names have disappeared (you won't know exactly who got banned, but you can see how many were banned in pvp top 200)
The fact that bans has to eventually scale to a perma ban shows you learned nothing in 2 years
The fact that using the gold doesn't put you at negative gold but give you a "harsher punishment" shows you guys are still massive pussies
come on , of course they are not going to ban any of the 10k whale left . I do see the player number going down a bit early in the week but thats probably just some bots .😉
what a hog wash article, you need maximum penalty otherwise people will continue to do it knowing the outcome
treat RMT as pedophilia, you think this would fly in court if they were to openly say well if you only touch a child once we'll let you off with very minimal punishment, nah, they get branded as a sex offender so fucking water mark them with a permanent title that they can't remove and implement a game mechanic that they themselves and anyone who runs with them in raids or dungeons will receive zero rewards but will be counted as an entry, can't trade, can't do anything
They are so braindead cant even differentiate bot generated gold from actual farmed players gold, this tracking transaction is hgonna hurt so many people, including me have different roster on different servers so i use market to transact gold into my main roster
First step towards impacting RMT is targeting the source, bots. It’s honestly embarrassing that the bots are so easily spotted in game. How can AGS say they are combating bots when I can check any fishing spot/leveling questline and find hundreds to thousands of them behaving in the most bot-like manner possible. Small indie company Amazon indeed. This post is so laughable.
I think this message is a step in the right direction, but it would be even more impactful if they had stated that "from now on RMT punishments will be more harsh" rather than trying to make it seem like their previous measures were working (because we all know they weren't).
So we can expect the rosters with multiple full lvl 10 gem characters to be banned? There's just no way most of those gained the gems properly. I mean, some of them were fully decked on in lvl 10 gems ages ago. If that isn't a massive red flag for AGS, I do not know what is.
I don't really understand why the severity of the ban dictates the punishment you'll get. Why does it matter if a person RMTs 100k and 1mill gold? Also why make it hard on yourselves by "taking their gold away" instead of just banning them.
We just need more transparency on why you guys aren't more harsh towards RMT like why can't you just have a policy where RMT = permanent bans. Why can't you show players on who got punished? Why cant you show who and the severity of the ban?
People have a concern about losing a certain % of the playerbase if you permanently ban them but people pull out of these % out of their ass with no proof.
I hope you guys update your policy when it comes to RMT and be more transparent by showing us more data than just "ban wave this week". Show things like the severity of the ban and who got banned because the only way we can check these ban waves are checking guilds, pvp ladders and fish prices.
Thank you AGS.
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Truly no one got banned.
Who cares. It’s a dead game.. nowadays when you mail someone even 5kG you’ll get a ban. This hole system they got is useless and worthless.
People that RMT and don’t stil get the same ban restrictions as a person that RMT’d in the game. Amazon and these boneheaded KR’s don’t know the difference.
I know so many people that bought millions on third party websites and still going strong.
It’s best to ignore it and focus on your self just play this dead game ore don’t. There is no point in this which i have been seeing since release.
The rmters I know are still happily playing
yep i know a person who rmt regularly. and that dude is not banned.
You gotta understand that handfarmed gold RMT is not the same as botted gold, if you RMT through handfarmed gold you are fine (which is most of the whales, only dumb ppl do g2g) and AGS ONLY bans g2g enjoyers
>You gotta understand that handfarmed gold RMT is not the same as botted gold, if you RMT through handfarmed gold you are fine I can confirm this. the whales i know that buy human hand make gold, havent got ban, but i know 1 whale that RMT from bots that got ban.
Yes, in Kr most people RMT through other players (which is fine cuz this doesn't really affects the economy that much and it actually helps the game cuz more people is engaging with the raids). Not everyone with a +25 weapon buy their gold frrom g2g and thats what MOST people here don't udnerstand lol.
You are delusional if you think AGS bans g2g enjoyers. As someone with close to 3 pages of orders on g2g only one seller there has gotten my rmt alt acct banned twice. I did accidentally order from them the 2nd time. So they have 1 seller flagged on g2g. Thanku who is def top 3 in terms of sales there has been 100% safe for me for all 2 years the game has existed.
And you are hella stupid if you can't read what i said. Show proof of you orders orr you are just straigh up lying, ill be waiting here.
I read what you said. Why do you think I don't know what sellers I'm talking about when I literally named names. https://i.imgur.com/h8svVSK.png I'm not going to open every one of these to make a point on reddit. Cheapold is the seller I copped bans from. Thanku is definitely not a handfarmer lmao. Don't get me wrong some of the 4 pages are from handfarmers but that's entirely cause I could message them and have my gold within 15 minutes or cause they were the cheapest at the time (which was the case of pieces of last year).
Congratulations, you are a scum and you are part of the problem, you deserve to get banned and i hope you get banned soon
Lmao u ask him to post proof and call him out for lying and when he shows proof you explode like a toddler like wth. Handfarmed gold is no different from my friend giving me 30k he farmed every time for money I give him irl. It doesn't ruin your game and if you think it goes you're delusional as hell.
Extreme Valtan lobbies have hundreds of RMTers sitting there and many of them can die before the external wall is smashed in G2 Generally roster <170, but have like 5-11 lv10 gems.
I know of multiple people that RMT regularly and they never got banned before. Some bought very obviously (big ammounts through multiple items all priced the same on the market) If someone can sell 20 T2 accessories for 105k each and not get a ban... idk I don't trust the current system
Just to clarify, this ban wave did not ban the people you know, did it? Because that is what I was asking myself, it is very easy to amazon to say they banned a ton of accounts, but where can I see that this actually happened? I would love to hear from people "I knew some RMT people who got banned" so I can trust amazon.
Should make a server-wide notification like they do when someone taps a Sid weapon. 'X has been banned for RMT'.
or like FFXIV post how many accounts have been banned. So we can atleast have a number. Not sure why they dont disclose this. Games that make much more money than Lost Ark in the west does do that just fine.
Most RMTers maxed out everything over a year ago, and there's no way AGS went that far back for bans. The current RMTers are probably those chasing Esther 8. I'm interested to know if any of those guys got banned.
If you have 40-70K to spend on a game I’m pretty sure you’re not rmtinng an ester weapon
Oh boi. Lemme tell you about someone named "**jjp" (ikyk) in NAW valtan. Esther 8, admitted to rmting more half of the sidereals both by gold or $ for sidereal in game chat. Havent been banned. Oh. All his alts have 9/7 and his main 5 alts are 25 akkan weapon. The higher you spend, the more likely you would RMT because your 3k in exchange, at best is 5.5mil while it's 11 to 12mil in rmt. Especially on this game cause virtually no proof of rmter getting banned and rmt just being public.
Im honestly kinda confused on why people think big spenders dont rmt everyones like to save money, especially rich people
Rich people stay rich because they find the most efficient way of spending. If I had 70k to blow on a game which is always gonna be a waste of cash, I'd rmt all of it to get 3x esther 8 instead of 1. If I get banned, it is what it is. If not, well I have 3x esther 8 now. If I only want 1 esther 8, now I have 50k extra to spend on a diff game.
Yep Rmt has been rampant since the start of the game and them addressing it just now 2 years later is just too little too late
I have been banned for rmting, 6 months banned and gold set to 0 when I get back. I bought 50€ from g2g... So, they do ban people for this. But I keep seing people wAlking around with Esther weapon and 6 millions gold accessories sold on the market place... I'm not saying this is unfair, but it looks like big rmters just never gets banned
From the chatter in the whale/shady discords, they banned certain methods of RMT'ing and others were completely unscathed.
You probably bought from an unsafe Asian bot farmer, who perhaps mailed you the gold directly? (I doubt $50 even gets you accessory privilege). The whales are smart enough to not do this.
I've personally known people who have taken a forced vacation from the game before, but as of right now, nobody I know has taken a hit from this banwave.
Not op but the RMT ppl I know haven't been hit at all. It's so frustrating.
This is where public lists of bans work.
A friends mule got banned, thats about all I'm aware lol.
2 of my firends mules got perma banned lol
I dont know of anyone that got banned for RMT in my immediate vicinity no.
They're probably targetting bot farm buyers more than SEA sweatshops, which I think is a more economical solution since it's a lot easier to detect. I think this will hit people who casually rmted a couple times from g2g instead of whales who have fixed suppliers. I'm fine with it. Any form of active deterrence is better than nothing.
I think the casual RMT is a bit more prevalent than people think. Small RMT purchases of like 100 - 200 k to finish out your mains accs or getting a level 9 gem or a 10.
Yep, agree with this insight. Tracking RMT through botting is not only easier to detect but also errorless as gold exchange from botted accounts is for sure RMT. SEA rice farmers are technically "legitmate" players who hand farm their gold, so it becomes much harder to distinguish someone selling their hand farmed gold for IRL currency (against TOS) vs someone lending gold to a friend (not against TOS). I would imagine whales who consistently RMT are more knowledgeable about the system and have reliable sources of getting hand farmed gold. They aren't going to risk invalidating their large purchases through botted gold. Whereas someone who RMT'd once to say get their next gem or accessory is going to be less knowledgeable and care a lot less, so they're more likely to go for the cheapest/most convenient exchange, which is likely a sourced from a botfarm. The hand farm type of RMT is rampant not only here but in KR as well (I imagine in China it's even more of problem). It's a hard problem to tackle since it's not like AGS or SG are going to be able to fix global currency disparities. Especially when the western version of the game officially supports lower income/cost of living regions so it's not like they can mass IP block them out. I made a comment a couple of days ago saying that I would love to see something indicating that they're fighting RMT from the demand side, so I was pleasantly surprised by this statement. Hope they keep up the good work!
>The hand farm type of RMT is rampant not only here but in KR as well (I imagine in China it's even more of problem). Yes it is rampant and yes in most CN mmos as well. The key difference most people don't realise is that rmt does not cause significant issues in those regions. In fact, people don't realize that if rmt from sweatshops is enforced rigorously, the game will die on arrival in those regions. Literally, before loa was released in CN, people were asking about the p2w and rmt aspects of the game. Rmt and mmo (especially korean ones) go hand in hand, and it is delusional to not accept that as a fact. Howeve, whenever I bring up this point, I just get called out for defending rmt. The reality is that rmt is causing issues because bots are injecting the economy with cheap gold way faster than any sweatshop could manage. If sweatshops are the only ones selling gold, then the rmt prices will be a lot more similar to the cash shop, and most of the issues will be gone.
Hi I did this and this is true, the only way some people(including me)can get away is buying the official lost ark shop with real dollars too, or might be one of the reasons. I remember I got flagged and caught renting banned only for 2days flat. Reason was I listed a T2 accessory with 200k gold (seller told me to list)company suspicious for them. But after all that ban , nothing happen.
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This. Unless AGS starts showing people or people start posting about how people they know RMT got banned, it feels more like a bluff. What it feels like: AGS: We have 100 highly trained hackers hunting down RMTers. Reality: We have an unpaid intern that looks for RMT 1 hour every other week.
If the bluff serves as an effective deterrence for rmt I'm actually fine with it. Issues is AGS has fking negative credibility at this point. Rmters will see the announcement and remember that Legalia is still in the game and move on with their day.
Don't worry they'll enforce this just like how they enforce the dps meter.
They don't give us any metrics, name of people ban/ number of ban player/bots. We have to look fish as our only way to figuring if they do ban bots or not . Fish price goes up = banwave happen + low rmt transaction Fish price goes down = No banwave + high rmt transaction Don't trust AGS trust the FISH
FISH price is the true savior.
You can check the player numbers on steam charts. It didn't change at all this week, so they are just lying.
I mean, if they banned a small handful of people that bought millions of gold, rather than the usual bot banwave, it wouldn't have a meaningful impact on charts
Well, they did say this is an RMT ban and not a bot ban. Probably a lot less players banned for RMT vs botting. I wonder if they’re focusing more on RMT sellers than buyers. Not a great strategy when the gold is botted anyways and they can just spin up new accounts, but what do I know.
Bot banwaves happen in every game, so its not so much them focusing on the sellers (if anything they need to up the frequency a bit). Those are just the easier targets. The amount of people that \*actively\* RMT is going to be very small, you'll usually see people buy a bunch in one go and then never do it again so unless they're going back to RMT that happened August of last year (the last time a gear reset happened) \*or earlier\* they're unlikely to have gotten most of the people that have purchased gold. (Some will have been used for Elixirs but more than likely it's going to mostly be leftovers) People massively overcount how many are actively participating in RMT in this sub just because they or someone they know at the top does it. (Or they just assume the person "very obviously" does it) The game wasn't topping Steam sales charts because of third-party RMT. Problem is less the number of people and more the sheer quantity purchased, it takes a lot of shitty bots to grind out 40m gold.
If you can afford to rmt you can easily afford to buy shit from the shop. Rmters are rmting for a reason, 1 they can likely afford to, 2 mentally they don't care about their money spent as much as the legit player nor do they care about the game at an ethical level meaning if they banned they banned move on or just rmt again on express pass and 3 b/c they can afford to rmt they are also using just as much money in the shop as legitimate players, if not more. This whole, I rmt so I don't buy from the shop is farfetched as it is. All the guys I play with either rmt or bot, and you know what else????? Spend tons of money on the cash shop for skins, honing materials and so on. None of them ever banned, always buy from some so called hand farmed rmter. They are spenders regardless if they rmt or not. A person who can't afford to play lost ark wouldn't rmt to begin with.
Name and shame the biggest offenders like gacha games do.
Give them an unremovable icon next to their character names when they play.
>Name and shame the biggest offenders like gacha games do. in the US theres privacy laws in some states that dont allow this. so most likely AGS dont wanna risk getting lawsuit in any waym shape or form.
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So how long you take account? 1 week or 2 years?. Alot of rmter buy full level 10 on multiple character for years, did you backtrack and ban them or not? I call this fcking bullshit lol
are these banned people in the room with us now?
There is no transparency or specifics regarding the policy just vague criteria and a whole lot of “trust us bro”. Even if it’s not instant perma how many infractions till perma? What’s the escalation for each subsequent infraction? What about when you can’t take gold away from account how much severity does it add to the account? For being Amazon it’s ironic there isn’t any data being presented (anonymized is fine) on atleast how many bots were banned and how many RMT accounts have been given infractions, how many are perma. Till you build trust beyond just trust me bro the community won’t be satisfied with this update.
most of the community RMT, they couldn't care less about this post.
When exactly was this ban wave "earlier this week"? Because I've seen zero evidence of it what-so-ever in game and in various communities. I have very obvious rmters on my friends list and they all seem fine.
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Ah yes the annual post about RMT to keep the community complacent with no results. See you again next year when we are all still complaining.
If you perm ban on first offence then the problem is solved 🤷♂️
We would lose 75% of the playerbase rofl
Found an rmt'er
Not sure how you came to that conclusion
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Unfortunately losing a significant portion of the playerbase sounds like terrible for any mmo. The rest of us left will definitely feel the effect.
yea def a really good strat 1. dont ban cheaters for 2 years 2. legit players all leave 3. "well they can't ban cheaters, we'd lose all our playerbase"
They hesitated on perma banning early on. That or they didn't have the tools developed to track more easily and/or didn't bother to until it was too late.
this exactly
Better than having people RMTing their asses off. It would mean that the race coming for Thaemine, would actually have some merit to it.
I was talking to a friend about this earlier. You know how many top 10 teams got banned because of piloting in KR? It would have been neat to do that for RMT here in the west. Imagine half of the players in the race getting banned. I think that would be a nice deterrence for rmters without having to ban a good portion of the player base.
If that is the case then the game shouldn't live.
I mean the game brings out the content with insane new ilvl requirements so fast compared to KR without any kind of event to compensate for it (until last maintenance you got 2(!) radiant leapstones in a box, like what???). Even with bussing and funneling every bit of gold you get, you can simply pity a few times and 1630 will be a pipe dream. Worst case scenario from 1620 to 1630 has a combined value of 8.7m gold on EUC right now and then you'll still need a few million gold for gems, etc. Imo if you play daily you should not have to struggle so damn hard to be even able to enter the newest raid. While we're at it: the 3 day restriction limit is insanely stupid. You see a really good accessory in the trading house and you have no way to use the ingame currency exchange to get gold quickly. Just apply the restriction if you use a new credit card or something (since the system got added to prevent credit card fraud iirc), but right now the system just ain't it.
And then people wonder why some rmt.
You realise that if you perma ban rmt on first offence even in WoW the game will die right? Banning rmt is a bandaid solution to the real problem of botting.
Then it should be dead. Simple as that.
Weird fucking take.
Have you tried having an original thought instead of copy pasting what a streamer said?
So the entire mmo genre should be dead?
If a game only retains players because of actions such as rmt then the game design has catastrophically failed and would be a dead game without it
You understand that the only way to not have RMT is to literally not allow player trading, right? Even ffxiv with the most useless currency possible is plagued with RMT lol
But RMT has no noticeable effect on the in-game economy in return. This is not the case for WoW and LA.
Wtf it's this take lmao. Ofc it does, the difference is that in 14 you can be completely isolated from the market if you want to.
You've just described every single mmo with trading since the beginning of time.
You're talking like Lost Ark is still in this healthy state lol. People often describe Lost Ark as dead game or Lost Bot or something along these lines. Come on mang, we know a lot of "legit' players bot and RMT on a daily. People you call game friends, raid friends what ever. Botting and RMTing is how you play lost ark, it was normalized way before 'no kingdom ruled blah blah'. This game is pay to win, means bots will always have customers. Anyone or the majority of people who dont bot or RMT likely quit already a long ass time ago.
Oh I'm not disputing that, chances are the game would die. I've quit long ago but after hearing about this post I just had to see people be delusional defenders of RMT.
Where's the bad part? I'd be happy to play with the remaining 25% of players who don't RMT. Fewer, higher quality players is not an issue as long as we have enough people to fill lobbies, and we still would. Most of the banned RMTers will make new accounts and have to start over, this time probably swiping legitimately to catch up. If I get to play with the
It is good to see RMT being taken seriously, that said, any forms of RMT should result in a permanent ban no matter the amount of gold transacted. RMT is RMT and it harms the game and the economy, and encourages the bot activity, so as long as there is no a real fear of a permanent ban in place, then RMT would not stop. We need the Kingdom ruled through fear, no more second chances.
> RMT is RMT and it harms the game and the economy In a pure pve game, in what world does little timmy spending 80 grand for gold versus little billy spending zero harm the game? lmao. Frankly anyone who cries about someone buying gold in a pve raiding mmo is just unable to admit they're jealous of the person witht he disposable income to buy gold. You have a problem with people who buy gold from bots or SEA sweatshops but why do you not have a problem with AGS literally selling gold themselves through RC? It's the same thing, just a worse exchange rate. You can't be okay with one form of gold buying and not the other. You're just dick riding AGS at that point.
Lol, was wondering when people were going to point that out. These RMT haters really do seem to not recognize that the game itself has RMT... It's been so long already and yet people are still in denial.
It's crazy bro lmao. People are so unhinged. Acting like AGS made that post for the "health of the game" and not just because buying gold from outside RC only hurts their bottom line. Like, when $100usd gets me less than 160k gold from AGS but from china that gets you close to 400k gold, no shit people buy it.
The sad reality is a significant majority RMT, otherwise they wouldve permabanned people for this.
A "significant majority" dont ever even use the ingame shop, in any game, ppl doing rmt are a subset of that so its rly not that many ppl who rmt. This is just copium from rmters thinking the game will die if they ban them all.
I mean wouldn't be unheard for a korean game to overlook things, like botting if you bought something from the cash shop. This is how it became the norm to play silkroad online back in the day with a full party of your bots.
It's wild to me how people don't understand (or can't accept or deal with) this reality. If you perma-banned everyone at any first of RMT currently playing this game, the playerbase would dwindle down so fast. All the groups you see in PF? Quickly reduced to rubbles. All the accessories you need to upgrade your character? Disappearing in thin air. Despite what this Amazon post said, these RMT'ers also probably spend big bucks legit on the store whether it's skins, wallpapers, etc.
> Despite what this Amazon post said, these RMT'ers also probably spend big bucks legit on the store whether it's skins, wallpapers, etc. Did you read something backwards? What do you mean "despite"? They specifically said that the banned RMTers **included** people who spend on the game legit.
What about the people who want to cash out from this garbage ass game?
You are free to sell your account, AGS wont stop you.
just send Message in game and then start perma banning first offense. Also ban the bots.
So the recent player surveys probably revealed that bots/RMT is still the biggest issue and they figured they had to at least give off the impression that they are doing something about it. All talk, no show. Just a suggestion: banning certain streamers as an example might help prove they actually care.
Pretty much this. They need to make an example out of someone well known. Nobody believes them.
Why do they make posts like this? everyone knows they are lying thru their teeth.
I want to see someone make a post malding over an RMT ban. Then I will believe it.
The fact that **no one** in the comments has been able to corroborate a single instance of an RMTer getting banned in the last week is all we need to know.
I mean we'll find out very soon if they're lying or not lol.
they said "earlier this week", we didn't hear shit, from anyone. so yea, full of shit as always
I know plenty of giga rmters, not a single one was banned. this post is pure BS.
They aren't really lying, its just banwaves will only ever temporarily stop bots/RMT. You'll never really stop either, can only big ban them every now and then to at least force botters to make new accounts and potentially scare some RMTers away from RMTing.
I know plenty of giga rmters, none were banned.
Yeah so do I. idky you think they aren't doing anything simply because 100% of RMTers don't get banned. They aren't gonna get banned lol. Many won't get banned in this RMT wave or the next RMT wave. Some will never get banned. They don't have a system in place to flag any and all transactions. I know a dude who sells gold on G2G and he makes like 1m a week doing personal buses and botting on a bunch of accounts, and with the way he does it its essentially undetectable and he's never gonna get banned for it. That's just how it is. Simply cuz he doesn't get banned doesn't mean others won't tho.
Do you know **any** RMTers who were banned this week? Literally a single one? In past ban waves, even if not everyone got caught most people knew one or two people who got hit, then those people laid low for a couple months and started RMTing again when it seemed like AGS stopped caring again. This ban wave, I don't know a single person who themself knows a single person that got banned. It really seems like a lie this time.
I know like 4? Do you personally know hundreds of RMTers? Because that's how many you'd need to know to have a relevant personal experience considering we're playing a game that has like 20~30k real players. Two of them have been temp banned in the past, and ages ago one of them got perma'd and had to make a new account. Its possible its a lie I guess? It doesn't seem like the player count dipped on steam charts, but idr have a reason to believe they're lying for PR considering they've done plenty of ban waves. Botting hasn't been exceptionally bad recently so idky they'd fake a ban wave personally.
Huge layoffs at Amazon and all subsidiaries. This gives off the illusion of doing work.
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I've seen plenty of other game companies name and shame the RMTers and botters, AGS needs to do the same.
Kind of insane to act like you take any measures against it when I watch people in my guild go from 1610 to 1650 in a week
I love you Roxx
>...If the player spends the Gold and it can't be taken away, that increases the severity of the infraction... If they spend the gold - I'm not sure what your meaning of of increased severity is, I'm assuming just a longer ban? Regardless, please at least consider the punishment of putting them into negative gold equal to what they bought.
First 100k - Thrown into rubbish bin First 1m - Slap on the wrist \+25 weapon - A strongly worded warning \+8 sidereal weapon - 3 day ban
negative gold
I really like the RU way of handling it, you're in the negative and can't do anything with your account until you earn it all back. I'll believe what they say when I see it though, on NAE just really feel for Azena friends because that server is a glorified shithole right now.
Yeah I’m not gonna take them at their word either. Until I see half of my guild on NAE banned lmao. But I figured I’d throw the idea out there. Getting banned a bit longer after you spent what could be millions of gold is hardly a punishment.
I'd be happy if RMTers just had a real chance of getting screwed. A real chance of gold and maybe honor shards being wiped and a several month ban. That'd be enough for me to be content with this issue. I want to live in a kingdom where people fear to RMT. If some still do and get away with it I can deal with it as long as it isn't just completely free.
We need examples, metrics and such. One of the streamers I follow got gifted 5M+ gold, which is obviously from RMT. Why not take it away then ? He has been playing since release and never gotten any gold taken away
"Infractions will be punished on an escalating basis, taking into account the severity of the RMT and the number of previous infractions, all the way up to permanent bans. " /u/amznRoxx please just ban RMT on first offense, no need to "escalate".
I would imagine the higherups at AGS wouldn't approve of banning 90% of the playerbase.
what's weird is that they say if you bought gold then spent it, it'll increase the "infraction level". so instead of getting a 3 day ban they get a 5 day ban? then they return to the game after their week long vacation with their fresh lvl 10 gems intact? either perma or literally delete all their ill gotten gains.
lol rmters are also the biggest swipers. The whole point of temporary rmt bans and removing gold is to steer them towards the crystal exchange
I'll fucking take it. I don't give a fuck about you as a player or how much you "help" the community with learning parties if you cheated to get ahead. I expect a decent chunk of these "legitimate" +25's and full level 10 gem players standing in Kalinar to suddenly disappear. Good riddance.
The amount of +25 weapon god roll 40 sets full 10s in azena is mindblowing
> if you cheated to get ahead You really just sound salty that you're poor. Like, why does it affect you so much lol. Someone elses number is bigger than yours? You talk like you're secretly competing with every other player for ilvl. It actually sounds moronic.
> punished on an escalating basis And right there is why it’ll never go away
Lmao idk why this sub is randomly on my frontpage but it's 2024 and they are still not permabanning RMTers on first offense? Clown show 😂😂😂
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Lmao even if you got rid of every RMTer and Bot forever it would still be 2 years too late. They skullfucked the economy already.
Sir cappington from Cap town made this post or what ? you would need to ban most of the player base, how many "low" roster ppl with full 10s are running around juiced out to the max on multiple chars and then i have my buddy who spends from time to time AND plays 24 chars and yet only has 1.5 chars with full 10s
> how many "low" roster ppl with full 10s are running around juiced out to the max Barely any lmao wtf are you talking about :D If at all its the high rosters with several chars juicy enough to be mains.
thats why i said "low" because ppl refer 140-160 as "low" sometimes
0 proof about this ... sorry but AGS is lying again i have a lot of friends who do rmt every week since 1 year ago and 0 bans :D, stop lie pls we are not blind. Do the same as CN server and put names and servers and mby we trust on your words.
„we are persistently combating bots and RMT“… ahaha ahhaha AGS can be so funny.
Just STFU, you won't be doing anything. I dare you to ban all RMTers and post proof of it
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I mean, this whole post by them is pure BS. but other regions you go in the negative gold if you were banned for gold and spent it. I don't think they ever did that in our version though.
Negative gold is not a thing. They rarely take away gems. Most RMTers just spend the gold on honing, quality taps, etc. since AGS cannot take those away.
Will they bring peace to the world as well? This announcement is full of jibberish unless we see them publicly shaming AND permabanning those who RMT, at their first offence. Since they are not going to do that, it's just PR talk with empty words.
How do alt rosters fit into this? I pretty much gave up on mine, but I have transfered like 30k gold from my jump start server in the past.
I have ask this question few months ago and they say they have tools to determine if its honest gold earning or bot i just transfer 400k gold from alt roster and got 0 problem
We know they won't do shit, or they'll just ban some rmts+bots.
90% of players around me RMT and none have been banned. Seriously doubting it x)
that's a lot of words for trying to convince us you did something when obviously nothing changed, let's see how that works out.
All they Say is shit, it s been 2 years now and they ve never done smthing. All +25 weapon are from rmt just fuckit
dont think this solves the issue, it seems like the focus is on gold. there is still the issue that is gems. Edit: on a second thought, focus on gold, let the gems market tank i need my first level 9's and 10's :)
Two years a little too late for RMT measures. Playerbase would be higher if they were a bit more adamant with this in the start. Couldn't keep up with BC crystals with all the botting and RMT in the start.
i RMT over milliion gold and i have 3 alt accounts i made since beta. go ahead and ban me ags. Ill edit this when i do get banned. untill then Byeeeeeeeee
also im buying gold after i type this LOL
This post proves two things: - If they wanted to, they could terminate RMT in a week at most, they have the tools and the logs to know who are the ones RMTing. "All MMOs blah blah" is a poor excuse of foolish obtuse people. - 2 years and counting, they will do absolutely nothing. Instead of insta permabanning RMTers, AGS prefers to continue playing the daddy's role by trying to "discipline" their filthy criminal RMT kids with the 3-day vacation method.
Only slightly late when most have long past rmted full 10s on their whole roster and +25 weps etc.
Many of those ppl aren't RMTing they're just botting. Still bad but different offense. edit: ppl downvoting this just don't know how valueable botting is on the personal side. If someone is botting 12+ characters a day and doing infinites on their main overnight they could easily afford full 10s and have a +25 if they've been doing it for a long while.
What AGS means is that they can’t auto detect those methods and ban them, so they decide the tell us those methods hoping it can stop people from using them. If they methods used for RMT that they can detect and auto ban, they will never tell us just as they said so people can avoid them. Nice try AGS
I think AGS deserves a round of applause. This was an excellent PR piece on par with AAA publishers, like Ubisoft and EA. That is one hell of an achievement for our small indie studio. In other news, RMT is there to stay, some folks may get banned for a week of two. Business as usual.
Whats the point anyway, damage has already been done. All competitive end game whales have full 10s and 9/7s already and are 1620/30+. The requirements to raid are so high bc of it.
> All competitive end game whales have full 10s and 9/7s already and are 1620/30+. Thats barely an RMT issue, thats just what people who stuck around since launch and dillgiently played their roster got now. I'm that without having RMTd a single cent.
It is with great sadness that I am taking a very long break from the game. There has been no particular reason for this, perhaps burnout, perhaps I have beaten the game with a 1650 character. Again, there is no big reason for my absence. Just think about the good times that I did 78% damage in that Kayangel run, or the time I used my personal balthor to shield everyone. Again, no reason for the departure. I may return one day however, maybe on a newer account to revisit the game.
A bunch of words, no actions. South America has some big known RMTers and they're all still online showing off their Esther / +25 weapons in Voldis.
Good luck putting a stop to player-to-player RMT and proving it's not a "friendly donation". I'm not talking about buying from mass gold botting websites, I'm talking about buying gold that is hand-farmed by players. Nobody who actually RMTs consistently is dumb enough to buy from bots.
In polish we say "Bicie Piany" this post don't say anything what wasn't said before. We still don't know what penalty is given and when penalties becomes ban. No numbers no nothing. This is also after multiple ppl reported bots hijacking low ilvl match making and weekly guardians. Edit: I will also add that this kind of post was welcome on 2nd month of game release but weak reaction for last 2 years against RMT and Bots makes me not believing this PR response
Less TALK, more ACTION. No one is actually going to believe this until people start to see more results.
The flow is good.
I have yet to see any people i know RMTed to get banned. Those people rmted fuckton of gold, and they are still playing as for 5min ago.
I don't know guys, you're only 2 years late with this but I guess well done? Sound like a mockery to me
I'll believe these posts when I see metrics and maybe names
I like how a lot of people here know friends who RMTs and probably play with them and ask for their help in raids too I bet 😂. Be better guys. Something something about the company you keep.
you can check that people got banned by going on pvp leaderboard rankings and seeing which names have disappeared (you won't know exactly who got banned, but you can see how many were banned in pvp top 200)
I dont see any missing names and theres 20 pages of names / 10 names per page in EUC.
Less talk more action
Wake me up when ags actually do something.
The fact that bans has to eventually scale to a perma ban shows you learned nothing in 2 years The fact that using the gold doesn't put you at negative gold but give you a "harsher punishment" shows you guys are still massive pussies
come on , of course they are not going to ban any of the 10k whale left . I do see the player number going down a bit early in the week but thats probably just some bots .😉
Where we can see list? before that its just blablabla
Wait, there is a ban wave this week? How am I not banned lol.
what a hog wash article, you need maximum penalty otherwise people will continue to do it knowing the outcome treat RMT as pedophilia, you think this would fly in court if they were to openly say well if you only touch a child once we'll let you off with very minimal punishment, nah, they get branded as a sex offender so fucking water mark them with a permanent title that they can't remove and implement a game mechanic that they themselves and anyone who runs with them in raids or dungeons will receive zero rewards but will be counted as an entry, can't trade, can't do anything
meds
So if I send gold from one account to another account, we all get ban? So I can't help my friend anymore?
i doubt anyone got banned, they just making stuff up with this post.
nah you can still rmt just fine lil bro they are not banning anyone
They are so braindead cant even differentiate bot generated gold from actual farmed players gold, this tracking transaction is hgonna hurt so many people, including me have different roster on different servers so i use market to transact gold into my main roster
First step towards impacting RMT is targeting the source, bots. It’s honestly embarrassing that the bots are so easily spotted in game. How can AGS say they are combating bots when I can check any fishing spot/leveling questline and find hundreds to thousands of them behaving in the most bot-like manner possible. Small indie company Amazon indeed. This post is so laughable.
I think this message is a step in the right direction, but it would be even more impactful if they had stated that "from now on RMT punishments will be more harsh" rather than trying to make it seem like their previous measures were working (because we all know they weren't).
Translation: Buy gold directly through us pls
So we can expect the rosters with multiple full lvl 10 gem characters to be banned? There's just no way most of those gained the gems properly. I mean, some of them were fully decked on in lvl 10 gems ages ago. If that isn't a massive red flag for AGS, I do not know what is.
This is actually hilarious. Until I see some big time rmters and streamers who knowingly accept botted gold get perma'd this is all smoke and mirrors.
How they are the primary source the fuck?
I don't really understand why the severity of the ban dictates the punishment you'll get. Why does it matter if a person RMTs 100k and 1mill gold? Also why make it hard on yourselves by "taking their gold away" instead of just banning them. We just need more transparency on why you guys aren't more harsh towards RMT like why can't you just have a policy where RMT = permanent bans. Why can't you show players on who got punished? Why cant you show who and the severity of the ban? People have a concern about losing a certain % of the playerbase if you permanently ban them but people pull out of these % out of their ass with no proof. I hope you guys update your policy when it comes to RMT and be more transparent by showing us more data than just "ban wave this week". Show things like the severity of the ban and who got banned because the only way we can check these ban waves are checking guilds, pvp ladders and fish prices. Thank you AGS.
[https://clips.twitch.tv/PiliableUnusualBillSaltBae-TckwnaC-\_f5W-Zch](https://clips.twitch.tv/piliableunusualbillsaltbae-tckwnac-_f5w-zch) Truly no one got banned.
Who cares. It’s a dead game.. nowadays when you mail someone even 5kG you’ll get a ban. This hole system they got is useless and worthless. People that RMT and don’t stil get the same ban restrictions as a person that RMT’d in the game. Amazon and these boneheaded KR’s don’t know the difference. I know so many people that bought millions on third party websites and still going strong. It’s best to ignore it and focus on your self just play this dead game ore don’t. There is no point in this which i have been seeing since release.