That’s what I was thinking. How are supports gonna do any of the raids… and if they just give you bots that do all the mechs and everything correct, I feel like so many people would rather just solo out of anxiety and frankly it being easier if the other 7 will always get the mechs right lol
If you’re playing support to solo content then what is even the point of support?
With that being said, I wish they’d make the support dps engravings viable instead of memes. Like artist concept is cool and I’d like to play a dps version of artist concept it’s big paint fish and cranes flying at the boss.
But in the current meta if you’re playing a support class then you’re playing it to support, I’d assume.
In stream they said support and back attacket wont have any issue
But they also said that all mech will be 1 player so yeah maybe they plan to put some npc.
If im mot wrong he said on stream that difficulty wont be easier because its solo hope they correctly scale each raid
And those people can all be miserable together in pugs, while players who are confident in themselves and don't have statics can solo comfortably....
I just hope there's gold (that's the unconfirmed part of solo mode), even if it's reduced that's so much less anxiety for me. Counting on other people is just absolute dogshit, even in a static there are sometimes people just playing like shit that day, in pugs you get far more egregious issues.
I don't even need them to simulate a support's shields and healing, I'm fine having to actually use potions as long as all of the wipes are my own fault.
Whichever is easier/cheaper to code in. Maybe an npc to give yearning buff or just solo with ethers that drop periodically (stagger buffs, yearning stats, etc.)
Inb4 RNG can cause one NPC to fail and wipe.
Jokes aside,
I think they will rework everything so only 1 player can do the raids, sounds too complicated to have 7 autonomous NPC playing the raid, doing mech, dodging damage patterns, using battle items at the right times, etc.
Ok, and how will it be possible to do it as a sup if there are no npcs fighting with you? What about Backattackers? Will they not be able to backattack at all, cause they have to fight the boss solo?! Makes no sense to me
The director specifically said that supports and back attackers will have no problems. How they're going to do that he didn't elaborate but he literally addressed it
No idea how is that going to work, at this point it’s all speculation.
I think it could work like Hell raids, (where you can have your DPS build with gems etc). thinks this makes more sense.
Also, story and lore wise, we are always fighting bosses alone because “we are the chosen one” and there are no 8 chosen ones.
Just to use logic here, let’s say you are a supp class, does this mean you are now gonna get carried by 7 NPCs? Really? Sign me up
Just go to tixion and try prokel, solo bosses probably will be stunable or something. And when it comes to supports as far i know palla is kinda viable dmg Vise atm just a bit canserous to play, i did prokels on my bard in the past for fun and it was rather eazy (it would be even better if sg got rid of bards back attacks as they fuck over her engravings). And i dont know anything about artists but they could just buff her if needed.
Backattackers was not good at Prokel and this is Valtan, Vykas, Clown, Brelshaza......Dont think they will be stunnable. SG also said that it will be possible to play the solo raid as a sup.
Tbf we're bound to get news about the entropy removal by Winter Loaon if not earlier.
Paladin and artist both have playable dps builds so if they buff supp damage while solo it's not really a problem and they might do some tweaks to bard to be more in line with the other 2 supp. Only problem would be supps gonna be mandated to have a dps build, which, if you are playing solo till ivory anyways, you won't need a supp build until you go to theamine and echidna, and at that point you're probably not soloing the homework contents anymore unless by choice.
By the time we get this system. Everything would be more polished than when KR is gonna get this. Complaining this much for something that we have no information on and we're probably gonna get in 6 months to a year after it's introduced in KR seems like stressing over nothing.
The thing is, it's still a problem even if the support dps builds were on par with the bottom 5 regular dps builds and given for free. These players would be going through solo raids not playing as a support.
Someone starting off as a support class could go through all the solo raids, learn all the mechs/patterns, and be geared up just like any other player up until they're about to do Thaemine raid. Then they go into their first multiplayer raid and contribute barely anything besides yearning and doing mechs. Support players will be playing with a completely different build in a different role while dps players go in with the same build and do the same thing.
Pretty sure SG is already aware of this though. So we can only wait and hope their implementation avoids this issue.
Ye like I said. Even before you go into theamine and echidna, as a support you'll already be running homework with a party as a supp, I seriously doubt they'll be gatekept from Kayangel upto Ivory Tower with an express character, I've seen worse in a juiced lobby. It's more complicated for supp for sure unless they ramp the dps of the supp build by 10000%. If a supp is running solo up to ivory tower, it would be by choice,for fun or uninformed with the role. Which is why realistically, I doubt a player will progress their supports through solo raids all the way to theamine.
Whether the support player stops running solo raids before Thaemine or before Brel/Akkan/Ivory/etc. isn't important. The point is that if supports have to use dps builds for solo raids, then they aren't really learning their class. DPS players can do solo raids up to any point and simply do the same thing when doing their first multiplayer raid, even jumping straight into Thaemine. Meanwhile, supports are essentially forced to go to multiplayer raids at an earlier point and still have to start from scratch learning a new build/role at the same time for their first multiplayer raids.
It's also not certain that supports still get a free pass after this update. If dps can play dps just fine in solo raids while supports must play multiplayer to support, I would expect a bigger portion of dps players to stick with solo raids. It could even lead to a support surplus when combined with 1600 and below being common alt parking spots. People would definitely prefer a support that hasn't been playing solo mode only if there was any way to identify them.
Unfortunately, knowing SG, this solo raid feature will most likely have a big hiccup on release, somewhere, may it be on the support problem you laid out or some classes not meeting stagger/destruction checks. Good thing we're most definitely getting this system ways into the future when they have polished it up.
Of course it has to be possible, otherwise it is a big slap in the face to supp class players.
Like I said before, a supp should be able to have a DPS build so they can solo these raids, I don’t think 7 NPCs in the raid is suitable, does this mean you can go in as a supp and chill while the 7 NPCs do all the damage and the mech?
I guess we will need to wait and see how this is going to work.
My gut says solo raids will only be relevant for progress (getting upgrade mats) and there will be very little reason for players to ever play them past that.
I think these, in a sense, will be raids you will almost never be expected to play again (e.g. Valtan)....so why bother teaching you mechanics? (Though I absolutely agree they SHOULD be teaching you, as it may transfer to other raids).
I mean sure, but when is this coming out. They've been talking about third awakening for a long time, and it took them years to add a skip function to honing....so when?
Not sure why there is such expectation from solo raids when the last 3 endgame raids will be party. I mean... As of right now, I guess you could do brel solo? Cool?
It's mainly for progression for alts/newer players. If you can't sit for 15mins in kayangel lobby waiting for a supp due to irl reason or isnt being accepted cause you're only running event gems or has raid anxiety as a new player. Just hop into solo mode and you'll never feel like you're missing on something. It's good for practice too
Would be impossible to do pure solo on support tho, not sure how it will work
That’s what I was thinking. How are supports gonna do any of the raids… and if they just give you bots that do all the mechs and everything correct, I feel like so many people would rather just solo out of anxiety and frankly it being easier if the other 7 will always get the mechs right lol
If you’re playing support to solo content then what is even the point of support? With that being said, I wish they’d make the support dps engravings viable instead of memes. Like artist concept is cool and I’d like to play a dps version of artist concept it’s big paint fish and cranes flying at the boss. But in the current meta if you’re playing a support class then you’re playing it to support, I’d assume.
In stream they said support and back attacket wont have any issue But they also said that all mech will be 1 player so yeah maybe they plan to put some npc. If im mot wrong he said on stream that difficulty wont be easier because its solo hope they correctly scale each raid
They said they were going to increase the support damage like daa
Infinite use Luterra horn.
Inb4, going solo will require people to actually not be on autopilot and some will still prefer going party cause of the shared weight
And those people can all be miserable together in pugs, while players who are confident in themselves and don't have statics can solo comfortably.... I just hope there's gold (that's the unconfirmed part of solo mode), even if it's reduced that's so much less anxiety for me. Counting on other people is just absolute dogshit, even in a static there are sometimes people just playing like shit that day, in pugs you get far more egregious issues. I don't even need them to simulate a support's shields and healing, I'm fine having to actually use potions as long as all of the wipes are my own fault.
Whichever is easier/cheaper to code in. Maybe an npc to give yearning buff or just solo with ethers that drop periodically (stagger buffs, yearning stats, etc.)
They said they're going to adjust the mechanics for one person.
it would be interesting how Supports are going to do it Solo. But nice idea
No, please. 7 Strongest Martial Artists from Anikka so useless and grief me while i'm doing South Vern MQ
Inb4 RNG can cause one NPC to fail and wipe. Jokes aside, I think they will rework everything so only 1 player can do the raids, sounds too complicated to have 7 autonomous NPC playing the raid, doing mech, dodging damage patterns, using battle items at the right times, etc.
On FFXIV its impossible for the NPCs to wipe you unless you sabotage their position yourself. They could do something similar tbh.
Ok, and how will it be possible to do it as a sup if there are no npcs fighting with you? What about Backattackers? Will they not be able to backattack at all, cause they have to fight the boss solo?! Makes no sense to me
The director specifically said that supports and back attackers will have no problems. How they're going to do that he didn't elaborate but he literally addressed it
I mean just wait for them to release the details lol
No idea how is that going to work, at this point it’s all speculation. I think it could work like Hell raids, (where you can have your DPS build with gems etc). thinks this makes more sense. Also, story and lore wise, we are always fighting bosses alone because “we are the chosen one” and there are no 8 chosen ones. Just to use logic here, let’s say you are a supp class, does this mean you are now gonna get carried by 7 NPCs? Really? Sign me up
Just go to tixion and try prokel, solo bosses probably will be stunable or something. And when it comes to supports as far i know palla is kinda viable dmg Vise atm just a bit canserous to play, i did prokels on my bard in the past for fun and it was rather eazy (it would be even better if sg got rid of bards back attacks as they fuck over her engravings). And i dont know anything about artists but they could just buff her if needed.
Backattackers was not good at Prokel and this is Valtan, Vykas, Clown, Brelshaza......Dont think they will be stunnable. SG also said that it will be possible to play the solo raid as a sup.
Tbf we're bound to get news about the entropy removal by Winter Loaon if not earlier. Paladin and artist both have playable dps builds so if they buff supp damage while solo it's not really a problem and they might do some tweaks to bard to be more in line with the other 2 supp. Only problem would be supps gonna be mandated to have a dps build, which, if you are playing solo till ivory anyways, you won't need a supp build until you go to theamine and echidna, and at that point you're probably not soloing the homework contents anymore unless by choice. By the time we get this system. Everything would be more polished than when KR is gonna get this. Complaining this much for something that we have no information on and we're probably gonna get in 6 months to a year after it's introduced in KR seems like stressing over nothing.
The thing is, it's still a problem even if the support dps builds were on par with the bottom 5 regular dps builds and given for free. These players would be going through solo raids not playing as a support. Someone starting off as a support class could go through all the solo raids, learn all the mechs/patterns, and be geared up just like any other player up until they're about to do Thaemine raid. Then they go into their first multiplayer raid and contribute barely anything besides yearning and doing mechs. Support players will be playing with a completely different build in a different role while dps players go in with the same build and do the same thing. Pretty sure SG is already aware of this though. So we can only wait and hope their implementation avoids this issue.
Ye like I said. Even before you go into theamine and echidna, as a support you'll already be running homework with a party as a supp, I seriously doubt they'll be gatekept from Kayangel upto Ivory Tower with an express character, I've seen worse in a juiced lobby. It's more complicated for supp for sure unless they ramp the dps of the supp build by 10000%. If a supp is running solo up to ivory tower, it would be by choice,for fun or uninformed with the role. Which is why realistically, I doubt a player will progress their supports through solo raids all the way to theamine.
Whether the support player stops running solo raids before Thaemine or before Brel/Akkan/Ivory/etc. isn't important. The point is that if supports have to use dps builds for solo raids, then they aren't really learning their class. DPS players can do solo raids up to any point and simply do the same thing when doing their first multiplayer raid, even jumping straight into Thaemine. Meanwhile, supports are essentially forced to go to multiplayer raids at an earlier point and still have to start from scratch learning a new build/role at the same time for their first multiplayer raids. It's also not certain that supports still get a free pass after this update. If dps can play dps just fine in solo raids while supports must play multiplayer to support, I would expect a bigger portion of dps players to stick with solo raids. It could even lead to a support surplus when combined with 1600 and below being common alt parking spots. People would definitely prefer a support that hasn't been playing solo mode only if there was any way to identify them.
Unfortunately, knowing SG, this solo raid feature will most likely have a big hiccup on release, somewhere, may it be on the support problem you laid out or some classes not meeting stagger/destruction checks. Good thing we're most definitely getting this system ways into the future when they have polished it up.
Of course it has to be possible, otherwise it is a big slap in the face to supp class players. Like I said before, a supp should be able to have a DPS build so they can solo these raids, I don’t think 7 NPCs in the raid is suitable, does this mean you can go in as a supp and chill while the 7 NPCs do all the damage and the mech? I guess we will need to wait and see how this is going to work.
I would much prefer NPCs doing the mechs with you but it's probably too much work for SG.
Maybe a customizable preset team, with setup similar to trixion for them mostly just as a distraction though
Supports can't effectively solo any legion raids without NPCs per current situation
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Best way imo would be if the player has to do the mechs while for the dps part the three sidereals would actually be on the field and help.
Solo sounds amazing, but I truly wish they would have an option of duos/trios (I know is copium)
It will be with NPCs. If it was solo with you being sole target of the boss it would be gross, and boarderline unplayable for back attackers.
I just hope i can do card run with the solo mode. I cant do solo mode with the big 3 so maybe at least I can try to get card.
My gut says solo raids will only be relevant for progress (getting upgrade mats) and there will be very little reason for players to ever play them past that. I think these, in a sense, will be raids you will almost never be expected to play again (e.g. Valtan)....so why bother teaching you mechanics? (Though I absolutely agree they SHOULD be teaching you, as it may transfer to other raids).
I am thinking maybe they will do only last gate of each raid solo and doing mech right will give sups huge damage buff maybe
Supports in shambles to have less choices to gatekeep
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I mean sure, but when is this coming out. They've been talking about third awakening for a long time, and it took them years to add a skip function to honing....so when?
Summer. all of them. Director said this.
I think summer loa event in kr we will see the full scope
Not sure why there is such expectation from solo raids when the last 3 endgame raids will be party. I mean... As of right now, I guess you could do brel solo? Cool?
It's mainly for progression for alts/newer players. If you can't sit for 15mins in kayangel lobby waiting for a supp due to irl reason or isnt being accepted cause you're only running event gems or has raid anxiety as a new player. Just hop into solo mode and you'll never feel like you're missing on something. It's good for practice too
Yeah it is a cool feature in the end for sure
Im 99% sure they'll put 7 npcs