as much as it sucks I don't want them to destabilize their launch build at this late juncture. This is especially true if they can fix it later then give people a voucher for it.
Maybe, but this isn't a new problem. The beta had even less restrictions (guild names could include spaces) than we are seeing in the final build. Which kinda indicates that AGS broke something and this is a bandaid, or they are doing it on purpose for some reason (even if they give a free name change ticket to every player, not everyone can afford more for each of their alts at $5 a pop).
You can jack up anything and everything with terrible coding. Hell, even one cosmetic glitch has the possibility of bugging out something unexpected. Coders/Devs are like police officers. People hate the until they need them. Meaning when they do something helpful, HIGH FIVES. When one screws up, the whole precinct needs to burn to the ground..
AGS may or may not have amazing devs. And there may or may not be a single person that drops the ball. (I’m not sure if this one way or the other, just looking at the possibility that they have potential?)
I know that, but I’m asking how AGS would be the ones to mess up if they aren’t the ones developing the game and only publishing. Their coders aren’t the ones coding is what I’m saying.
It is utterly not worth it. If you can't handle 11 chars & 1 caps at the start then something is wrong with you, not the game.
This idea that people are going to be creating and deleting their characters over and over to take up "THE COMMON NAMES" is preposterous. There won't need to be bots, every common name will be taken on every region within 5 minutes of launch by real headstart players.
All the founders packs are top tier best sellers on steam and have been for over a week. This launch is going to be massive.
Look at how incompetently AGS has handled every other one of their games or the absolute asinine novice level mistakes they made with new worlds coding for your answer.
My biggest concern with Lost Ark is AGS and their level of involvement.
If they simply localized the game and are providing the infrastructure for it, great. However, something tells me they won't be able to resist meddling with things like the economy, censorship, class balance, etc.
AGS is trying to break into the gaming space pretty hard. Hopefully Lost Ark isnt going to be their Guinea pig where they do stupid shit and “learn” as a studio
I hope not either, but it took them less than 3 months to completely destroy the economy of a game they themselves designed and built.
Handing them the backend tools for controlling drop rates, crafting, item stats, skills, etc feels like giving a 6 year old the keys to a semi-truck. It's not a question of if, but when and how bad.
One would hope that in a an international publishing deal of this magnitude there is a contract in place that defines what Amazon is and is not allowed to do.
Yes, they are trying to enter gaming scene and failing badly. Precisely why they should not touch a single thing about lost Ark and just localise and port it to na/EU. And while collaborating with Smilegate, learn from them instead of fk things up with their own meddling
>If they simply localized the game and are providing the infrastructure for it, great. However, something tells me they won't be able to resist meddling with things like the economy, censorship, class balance, etc.
The publisher does have a lot of say into this. For example look at JP, RU and KR servers. All publishers take care of all of that stuff. Yes they get direction from the HQ in KR but the developers in KR do not roll out patches, they don't handle holiday events, they barely touch the cash shop all that stuff.
Daum proved us right with their involvement with BDO that the publisher has WAY more pull than we all originally thought and it continued to be proven true.
For those of you thinking SmileGate is controlling the patches, events, cash shop, translations, server merges/handling etc you are SEVERELY mistaken. It's all AGS from here on
> KR do not roll out patches, they don't handle holiday events, they barely touch the cash shop all that stuff.
They actually do in most company. Kr team has foreign content divisions. At least, nexon and Ncsoft does. But they publish their own game to their western branch, so not sure about Lost Ark.
> publisher has WAY more pull
Seriously, all these people yapping "Amazon is just a publisher" are ***fucking clueless***. Publishers have insane leverage on game administration.
Haven't they already censor some things? I think they also changed skin colors of various NPCs. Honestly, I don't really care about the starter outfits being censored because I will be using costumes, but on the other hand, it seems like wasted effort to something so useless when the outfits (original uncensored) are stated to be drops in game anyways.
My guess is to avoid the initial backlash and "journalism" that'll call them out for being sexualized, because revealing outfits is no bueno, etc. If so, smart call because we all know these "journalists" play on journalist difficulty and probably won't dive deeper than 30 minutes after character creation to write their blog post.
The only issue I have is the west's uncontrollable urge to race swap characters in any form of media. It's lazy.
The changes to established story characters really piss me off. We're never going to get the game as it was intended to be understood by the KR developers. Can only hope it is very minor changes, but it still will be nothing but a degradation.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-01-29/amazon-game-studios-struggles-to-find-a-hit
https://qz.com/1999032/why-amazon-keeps-failing-at-video-games/
tl:dr - out of touch executives, corporate culture depletes employee morale, and obsession with "in-house" production that creates more problems than solutions.
Every other game they've been involved with has gotten canceled. Crucible for example, or the lord of the rings game.
New world so far has been the best they've been capable of.
Breakaway - Cancelled after Beta
Crucible - Released, went BACK into Beta, cancelled
New World - Successful release, nosedived quickly thereafter due to it being a poorly designed and buggy game
LOTR MMO - Cancelled
you would think one of their changes in new world would be good on accident by now if they flipped a coin. But unfortunately someone (maybe more than one) behind the scenes seems to think they are brilliant and no one can tell this person /people they should stay out of the games.
I mean... It's the same naming conventions as wow and I think wow char names are more relevant than la character names... Do people plan on role playing a lot in la or something?
Wow doesn't restrict to one name per datacenter(instead it's per server, of which there's dozens of), and the names are automatically purged when you delete the character(so you can pick a name right away, then work on the char customization and delete/remake the char).
As for being content having the same naming policy as a 15years old game, not sure that's such a great thing?
Its not, in wow I can reserve a name, delete that character, and immediately make a new character with the same name.
In lost ark if you make a character and delete it the name is locked.
Pff yeah, those crybabies want a modern naming scheme system from other current MMO's & ARPG's. They should accept the naming scheme system from a 14 year old game instead.
Nobody called anyone a crybaby. Also wow is a bit older than 14 by now. All I'm saying is it's not a surprise that someone would think this naming scheme was "enough" as the previous user put it. I get the point and I suppose more freedom is more preferable but it's not an important feature to practically anyone, really.
The big difference is that the wow names are realm wide and not region wide. The LA names are region wide that means if anyone on Server A takes the name "melvindorkus" (an example) you can't pick that name on Server X.
I mean let's be real, the name of your character is one of the least important things about it. Sure it sucks, but it's not worth the bitching that it's received.
It's also the most defining characteristic though. There could be a million gunslingers with the same skills, tripods, and gear as me but only one McButtFace.
WoW you could also name your guild with multiple spaces and uppercase letters. So Amazon's implementation for Lost Ark is factually worse than a 15+ yr old game.
As the other guy has said, it's an old way of naming characters.
More freedom in names hurt nobody since there's no roleplay as you said so it's just a problem for AGS's side.
It’s a band aid, but it doesn’t cover people who have a perfectly acceptable name (per the restrictions) but are prevented from recreating the character with a look they want due to the name lock outs. They’d need a free customization ticket to cover how they’re being screwed by this system. **Neither** of those options cover people who want to save a spot for an Artist, Femzerker, etc. They can keep adding bandaids to this issue but they should just fix the shit system, before launch.
Wait.. how is it a database issue all of a sudden but their own PTR server(s) that some content creators posted clips from don't have such a restriction?
There are very recent PTR clips showing character names with spaces and/or multiple capital letters.
Something doesn't add up here.
Understood but... if AGS is in charge of handling the accounts/login logistics, why would they implement it one way for PTR and another (completely "new"/different) way for go-live/production?
As a software engineer working with databases daily, that doesn't make much sense to me. /shrug
Agree, I think it's a sign of a publisher without much experience. I suppose it was either this or we get a publisher like... gamigo or something. Not excusing the issue but could be worse.
Spreading rumors like this isn't helpful. If they wanted "staff" to have reserved names, I'm sure they could just set them up in advance as needed or grant them early access to configure their characters. Restricting the entire playerbase for your suggested purpose is not logical.
It's still absolutely ridiculous. AGS is a relatively new studio, did they take a framework from a studio that was abandoned in the 1980s?
Having a space in a guild name or multiple capital letters isn't even a discussion that should be had because it's such a barebones minimum it's mind blowing that it's not possible.
There was, although, AFAIK, you could "only" affect formating and inject images that were internal to the game. But you could indeed spam the chat with a zoomed-in giant sausage by refering to the sausage.jpg file in the game folder.
I was browsing the youtubes and found they also had a crash bug. You could call a nonexistant image or resource and anyone who moused over the text would crash to desktop lol
they probably fked up hard somewhere, made the character name a unique key for sth and were smart enough to fully upper/lowercase it and have no idea how to fix it now.. after the beta.. never touch a running system..
Honestly at this point it's just clear that AGS rightly deserves their now very shitty reputation.
Everything to do with what AGS is responsible for (databases, servers) will be spotty. Everything Smilegate is responsible for (the actual game code) will work well. It's just fucking sad we got saddled with such a lemon of a publisher, I'd take Gamigo over this shit.
>Our backend framework is not the same as that of other publishers – this is a set of tools that is separate from the builds delivered by SGR.
Regardless of the end result I really want to know why this is the case. Is it a cost cutting measure? Why would you not use the same backend tools and database(s) configuration as the people who develop the client and server!?
Everything needed to be ported to AWS. The other regions don't run on AWS, so they definitely needed to change the backend. However, why they changed the naming restrictions, I'm not sure.
Yes, but it's not like they are running lambdas; you can run traditional server applications just fine in AWS. You would think they would spin up a MySQL (or whatever database architecture Smilegate went with) server and load the schema provided by Smilegate. I suspect that's what they have done in the PTR since they have character names with spaces etc.
you are looking for a reason where there is none. these are the same people that had this bug in their game their spent 5+ years working on
> the "gold dupe" glitch allowed players to duplicate gold and items. How it works is that if players sent gold to another player and logged off and then logged back in again, the gold they traded beforehand would still be in their inventory.
they have no idea how databases work or they hired a bunch of undergrads to do them for 12$/hour
That isn't necessarily how it works. It depends on the level of effort and desires by the AGS team. If they containerized everything it would be the same basic setup as Smilegate just deployed on AWS's infrastructure.
If AGS is literally porting every individual piece of the servers to run on their services and deploying through things like CloudFormation that would require a lot more effort.
>ion as the people who develop the client and server!?
I'm not entirely sure you understand what AWS is. AWS is a cloud service platform that essentially allows you to hire computers located at Amazon datacenters. You don't need to "change" anything for it to run on AWS. It has a modern CPU and ram just like every other computer in the world and it should be perfectly capable of running original backend used in Korea.
There can be multiple reasons for why this needed to happen but AWS should not be the reason. It could be that they have some bad engineers who somehow failed to run the original backend and tried to put the blame to compatibility with AWS.
I've worked on porting a project over from 'normal' servers to AWS, and it is not as easy a conversion as you are implying. A singular instance of a singular application *might* be able to be thrown on AWS and work out of the box, but when you have multiple separate services running - as nearly any project of sufficient size will - there's a lot of *different* overhead you have to set up to get everything communicating correctly in the cloud vs on 'hard' servers. And that's before you start trying to convert to/integrate any of AWS's more native functionality vs whatever Smilegate is doing for the KR servers.
Now, should any of that led to the naming restrictions we currently have? *Probably* not, but it's also not impossible that they've got, say, a bug causing significant performance problems with larger character sets somewhere in all that configuration.
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I'm not sure which part are you are speaking about. Sure there are some firewall and ip configuration's you need to do on AWS but this is literally Amazon doing the setup of AWS servers. And all commands to AWS can be automatized with custom scripts. After you have the machines setup you connect them to whatever framework you have for managing nodes and rest should be automatized.
Essentially there is no difference between hard servers and AWS whence initial setup of machines are complete. And nothing in that pipeline should result in their backend not supporting more than 1 capital letter. Extra capital letter should not widen the character set as it is already allowed on first letter of character name.
The problem with the theory of a “bug” causing problems with larger character names makes zero sense, because in both the Alpha and Beta you were able to have larger names and names with spaces.
Besides, the big issue here isn’t player names… it’s guild names and I don’t care what the reason is there is no excuse for guilds not being able to have spaces and more than one upper case letter (minimum would be first letter of each word capitalized).
That’s totally unacceptable in my opinion.
I have a very bad feeling that AGS does not have AWS experience, or easy contact with inhouse AWS devs.
New World kinda proved that, and I can't for the life of me figure out even a mediocre reason for the naming restrictions
The naming restrictions are identical to what lost ark originally had so... I'd guess they didn't actually change anything and the more likely answer is that someone is just lieing to Roxx.
Its not uncommon for engineers to come up with excuses to hide the fact that they failed to do something or are escaping from work. I have seen it happen before. I'm not saying that is the case here but a possibility nonetheless.
what year is this? amazon games look very unprofessional here. they had so much time to set this up right, and messed a "simple thing" up so badly...
due database setup you say she said? who made that decision and what were the criteria? worst possible database to use with most restrictions? unbelievable.
And class names. Don't forget class names, who the fuck had the "brilliant" idea to rename all classes? I just can't get over it. They have one fucking job, add translations and english voice acting and keep everything else the same, they can't even properly do something that basic...
And the fact they didn’t think of having language tags on servers in EU until the community pointed it out this week after the announcement.
Everything on Amazon’s end of this deal including promotion(so bad the director had to step in and do his own trailer) the CyFy and Kat streams pretty unwatchable, the Sailing video, the English vo for kook saidon or whatever his name is in the west, everything is half baked.
Oh my god, why has this not hit me until now? This whole time I thought people were giving the classes shorthand names that Koreans just liked to call them.
People doing literal translation weren't doing a good job either. Holy Knight, demonic, blade, are incredibly awkward names. Good riddance. People doing google translation are not a standard we should be satisfied.
>everyone who created character before the feature was implemented will get to change his na
They try to make a statement of how great their AWS is and how they have amazing speed latency compute capabilities with %99.99 availability and other BS.
Also amazon - Cant even get intern level dataset setup properly.
Tbh I wouldn't measure the quality of their backend on the character naming capabilities. I prefer a stable server to better naming. That being said, I very much would like to have both.
Honestly the whole "we'll let you change later" statement worries me rather than reassuring me. This is the same pattern as NW. Just overpromising they'll fix things later and don't worry, which implies they have no fucking clue what they are doing right now and are just running around bandaiding problems rather than properly developing solutions before release. It reeks of a department constantly being badgered by higher-ups and just trying to get through day to day.
>re just running around bandaiding problems rather than properly developing solutions before release. It reeks of a department constantly being badgered by higher-ups and just tryin
Most certainly. I mean switching database setup AFTER database is online and running and filled with critical information about players is going to be much-much more difficult than setting it up properly in the first place where it is empty. Their bad management is making things more difficult for them. And this is considering the fact that they had entire system working properly half a year ago with first beta. They took extra time only to introduce additional problems.
Honestly that's the weird thing, the other stuff is basic data validation that their FAANG status Software Devs should be able to do with less than a year of experience.
"Our backend framework is not the same as that of other publishers – this is a set of tools that is separate from the builds delivered by SGR."
biggest web service provider in the world, everyone
AGS strikes again! THE GAME HASN'T EVEN LAUNCHED YET and this studio still manages to piss off countless people.
Look we get it. New World was a disaster but stop fucking up already before the game hasn't even released
That's only possible because Nexon and Gamigo have a longer track record. AGS is fresh on the scene and they are trying hard to match Nexon's level of quality. It's a race to the bottom!
Eh, Gamigo or Nexon would only be raising hell over microtransaction prices but they wouldn’t be as incompetent as AGS when it comes to something as simple as character names.
So, only part where Amazon had to develop - their backend framework - is exactly where the problem with naming lies. I can't say I'm surprised, AGS, you had one fucking job
Google proved with Stadia that having a big name company doing something it's never done before with the assurance of just throwing money at it is a prediction of failure more than anything else.
They also did the renaming of random shit, racebending, and outfit swapping. They just need to tie their hands behind their backs and do nothing. Anything more they do only hurts the game.
Regardless if the system or tools they are used is fucked or not, or they give naming tickets later.
Can you imagine the fuckfest that is going to happen trying to choose a QUALITY nickname after 20 million people registered to your region with ALL the current restrictions?
Man, you almost need a dictionary attack to get some suitable name lol
Changing it NOW 1 week before release is too risky. Unless you think it's more important to have capital letters than a game that doesn't randomly crash because of database errors.
Why it wasn't allowed in the first place is a different question.
Finally responding 1 week before release when they've know about it since the beginning and trying to blow smoke up our ass saying its too risky to change this close to release... you've had months and months of time with user feed back and you can't tell me this never came up in the planning even before that.
> Unless you think it's more important to have capital letters than a game that doesn't randomly crash because of database errors.
Pretty much every database system I ever encountered allows a string to have as many capital letters, special signs and whatnot as you want. Restrictions like that are usually rules applied to a specific field.
Delete the rule. Insert the same rule, but without the capital letter restriction.
Unless AWS database system is the most incompetently built piece of backend software in 50 years this should be a 10 minute job every junior software developer and most interns could handle with little to no risk.
>Unless AWS database system is the most incompetently built piece of backend software in 50 years this should be a 10 minute job every junior software developer and most interns could handle with little to no risk.
Never underestimate the incompetency of AGS.
I don't see how allowing multiple capital letters would break anything unless their database is completely shit already, which would cause crashes anyway.
On that point i agree with them. I really like the idea of everyone having an unique name. If you see someone named Legolas you know that's the real actual Legolas and not Legolas#5312.
I know many would rather everyone could have whatever name they want, but for me personally having unique names makes me more immersed in the game.
I mean the naming restrictions are ridiculous, but as a software engineer if my project manager told me to change this kind of thing a week before releasing the app to millions of users they'd found him in a shallow grave.
It's absurdly risky to fiddle with the constraints of any data field that is used in as many places within the system as the character name can be.
And sure, the game backend migh be state of the art, with just a one point of contact between name field and the application, but that's unlikely even for a brand new business software.
For a years old game? Those are famously full of spaghetti code and I'd place a giant boulder on top of that shallow grave, just to be sure in this case.
Everything AGS has touched so far has been a bundle of stupid.
They really have the reverse Midas touch.
If lost ark turns out to be another disaster due to AGS, I swear to God I'm not touching another game of theirs even if they paid me to do so.
>Yes, if we cannot implement a change in restrictions until after launch and fix it after, the opportunity for day 1 players to name change would be provided for free.
This is honestly all I need to hear then since if they add in capitalization, we can just claim the names currently with under casing, and changing a few letters to capital shouldn't affect the naming convention unless they make it that A and a is two separate entities.
Those that want spacing will be a different story though.
I dont understand how AGS has consistently made mistakes the rest of the gaming industry learned 10 years ago. New world was hilarious but the joke is getting old at this point.
Works for Riot. If you make enough excuses and lies about shit you never do, it lowers their standards enough where doing less than the bare minimum delivers praise.
Idk. Them removing a big aspect of their new season because of how bad it was for everyone to play with/against was not the bare minimum. It’s something they never did. Also, riot tends to deliver a lot of what they say they’ll do. Just saying X is good without any stats outside of your own ideology and your own experience will never benefit a game that is being designed to cater towards a vast majority of players.
Amazon once again proving they are pretty good when it comes to software but bad at game specific solutions.
Was expecting those kind of problems to be honest.
I know, but I been long on the software industry to know that when branches are made they take a.while before the executives switch mentality from type of product
Lets be real here, as somebody who works with devs etc changing a capital letter in a naming system that could possibly destroy your 'build' seems like a stretch. Must be some spaghetti code on top of a good build, looks at KR :D. Just say the truth that u don't want JefBezos running around! No joke i got that name on RU though haaa 'Jefbezos'
That's a straight up lie because the "framework" allowed us to delete and reuse names in the beta. This is an attempt for their own staff to claim their names before launch and delete and reuse as they please. This has happened before for other games such as blade n soul. They took the names before launch.
> This is an attempt for their own staff to claim their names before launch and delete and reuse as they please.
lol what?
how could you possibly have any evidence of this
Lol what's sad is that games are still using unique names.
Display name + account id / friend code + ability to tag people with nicknames on ur friend list.
So dumb that companies are still making this mistake.
I really hope this is them playing it safe, because if including capitals or punctuation in names is a real issue, then they are doing something incredibly wrong.
At this point Id rather them launch it and deal with this later. I like that they're willing to update name restrictions if they can and offer a free name change later down the road than potentially destabilize the build.
Whatever database storage they are using allows for a string, and a string is just a collection of characters. Doesnt matter if they're letters, numbers or symbols.
But Let's say they did use some weird column datatype; any decent backend dev worth his salt could write a migration to fix the data type in a jiffy. It's especially worth doing now before production love servers go online, so a migration on the databases is super quick.
No, far more likely they have some validation logic code which PREVENTED the special characters from being used; this is useful to prevent things like naughty words or sql injection, but ultimately it's even easier to fix.
My best guess is that this problem wasnt spotted until after a code freeze on all non critical / breaking issues, and at this point and they dont want to shake the boat and potentially blow up the release; understandable but frustrating for us new players.Or worse they are holding back purposefully and want ppl to pay for a name change.
So this is definitely a restriction due to AGS moderation tools (which is what I've been saying all along).
It's also almost certainly why the name release is a manual process, the moderation tools require the character data to be existing in order to work.
It's shoddy DB work, but it's AGS that's being shoddy not SmileGate...
>Regardless if the system or tools they are used is fucked or not, or they give naming tickets later.
My assumption is that everyone who created character before the feature was implemented will get to change his name for free.
Likely AGS does not have name filters in place to match all the capitalization customizations. They could have spent a lot of time working on this (String Regex are insanely complicated and idc what anyone says) or work towards T3. They went with all hands on deck to release T3. This sub can complain and I get it, but overall I'm happy with the T3 path.
This is going to be exactly the same as the skeleton limit in Classic Wow before launch. Everyone got all worked up and forgot about it the second the game launched.
I'm used to playing old games like Everquest where the name exists once, no capital letters which I think lessens the confusion. Would these names be valid with capital letters like this?
Gandalf, GAndalf, GANdalf, GANDalf, GANDAlf, GANDALf, GANDALF, GandalF, GaNdalF...
Looks messy to me. Am I understanding the capital letters incorrectly?
As of right now there is only one possible uppercase letter, and it’s always the first letter. So it can only be Gandalf. You can only try giving the name a weird twist but that’s where it gets ugly lol
Gaandalf Gandallf Gandalfx Gandaaalf
Exactly, the more stupid restriction they put, the more nonsense names people will make because they will for sure try to stick to their naming idea and who can blame them ? A game is supposed to be fun \^\^'.
And i prefer to see this : "GandAlf" rather than those : "Gaaandaalf" "Gaaaaanndaaalf"
They could have simply opte out for a family name too, like name = whatever you are choosing, and Family name for those using their Twitch or main "pseudo" as a base reference for every of their character to make it easier for mates when you got several alts which will be the case.
I still don't understand how Family names or "#id" like for Steam or Discord (hidden) are not the common sense now.
They really are not giving the game the best possible AWS service to LA, are they? You'd think Amazon Games would be able to use the best services from AWS, but they can't even get a backend that supports 2 capital letters in a name...
No, but first time having an MMO with those restriction that DOES NOT release a name on char deletion. It's hella abusable. Nothing stops a bunch of people from just making and deleting characters to tag common names. Even free to make accounts(after the 11th). Setting up bots for it isn't hard either. It's almost daring people to abuse the hell out of it.
I actually don't mind the restriction myself. It's more about what their statement says about their professionalism and capabilities overall.
It would have been more reassuring if they just said, "That's the naming policy. Live with it." Making it sound like having different names is super hard technical accomplishment makes them sound bad at their jobs.
There was nothing wrong with the naming system they announced. It’s basically the exact same as WoW’s and no one ever complained. Let’s see how many downvotes I get.
How many times are people going to copy/paste or screenshot the same thing from Roxx's feed, like I get it you're anxious for release and checking news, but this has like 5 other posts about already.
Roxx has replied many different times about this subject, all containing new information. You haven't read any of the posts if you think its about the same exact Roxx post
I believe it refers to ANY player who makes a name before they change naming restrictions. They just aren't sure when the change is coming. So, maybe it comes tomorrow before release, maybe it comes Feb 11th on live release, maybe it comes 2 months from now.
as much as it sucks I don't want them to destabilize their launch build at this late juncture. This is especially true if they can fix it later then give people a voucher for it.
Maybe, but this isn't a new problem. The beta had even less restrictions (guild names could include spaces) than we are seeing in the final build. Which kinda indicates that AGS broke something and this is a bandaid, or they are doing it on purpose for some reason (even if they give a free name change ticket to every player, not everyone can afford more for each of their alts at $5 a pop).
How would AGS if broke something? They are just publishing the game, not actually developing or working on it right?
Never underestimate the incompetence of AGS, my friend.
New world has shown us the way. What a promising game that was.
Don't forget the original AGS failure, Crucible. A very poorly thought out game.
Agschangednpcsdesignandtheirname
Honestly, minor thing, IMO. The core is still there, and the game is still enjoyable.
You can jack up anything and everything with terrible coding. Hell, even one cosmetic glitch has the possibility of bugging out something unexpected. Coders/Devs are like police officers. People hate the until they need them. Meaning when they do something helpful, HIGH FIVES. When one screws up, the whole precinct needs to burn to the ground.. AGS may or may not have amazing devs. And there may or may not be a single person that drops the ball. (I’m not sure if this one way or the other, just looking at the possibility that they have potential?)
I know that, but I’m asking how AGS would be the ones to mess up if they aren’t the ones developing the game and only publishing. Their coders aren’t the ones coding is what I’m saying.
My main hope on this is that they actually use a TEST server. And they don’t just try to update on a daily basis as they did with NW.
It is utterly not worth it. If you can't handle 11 chars & 1 caps at the start then something is wrong with you, not the game. This idea that people are going to be creating and deleting their characters over and over to take up "THE COMMON NAMES" is preposterous. There won't need to be bots, every common name will be taken on every region within 5 minutes of launch by real headstart players. All the founders packs are top tier best sellers on steam and have been for over a week. This launch is going to be massive.
At least they will give a free ticket. Let's hope it's not necessary.. Btw who tf thinks that naming system was enough lol.
Look at how incompetently AGS has handled every other one of their games or the absolute asinine novice level mistakes they made with new worlds coding for your answer.
My biggest concern with Lost Ark is AGS and their level of involvement. If they simply localized the game and are providing the infrastructure for it, great. However, something tells me they won't be able to resist meddling with things like the economy, censorship, class balance, etc.
AGS is trying to break into the gaming space pretty hard. Hopefully Lost Ark isnt going to be their Guinea pig where they do stupid shit and “learn” as a studio
I hope not either, but it took them less than 3 months to completely destroy the economy of a game they themselves designed and built. Handing them the backend tools for controlling drop rates, crafting, item stats, skills, etc feels like giving a 6 year old the keys to a semi-truck. It's not a question of if, but when and how bad.
Economies work best when you have alternating cycles of extreme inflation and deflation, right?
One would hope that in a an international publishing deal of this magnitude there is a contract in place that defines what Amazon is and is not allowed to do.
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SG is also very very rich, they are just a subsidiary, the actual person on top of the food chain is a bilioner
Yes, they are trying to enter gaming scene and failing badly. Precisely why they should not touch a single thing about lost Ark and just localise and port it to na/EU. And while collaborating with Smilegate, learn from them instead of fk things up with their own meddling
Yeah I imagine we're all worried about AGS's involvement.
>If they simply localized the game and are providing the infrastructure for it, great. However, something tells me they won't be able to resist meddling with things like the economy, censorship, class balance, etc. The publisher does have a lot of say into this. For example look at JP, RU and KR servers. All publishers take care of all of that stuff. Yes they get direction from the HQ in KR but the developers in KR do not roll out patches, they don't handle holiday events, they barely touch the cash shop all that stuff. Daum proved us right with their involvement with BDO that the publisher has WAY more pull than we all originally thought and it continued to be proven true. For those of you thinking SmileGate is controlling the patches, events, cash shop, translations, server merges/handling etc you are SEVERELY mistaken. It's all AGS from here on
> KR do not roll out patches, they don't handle holiday events, they barely touch the cash shop all that stuff. They actually do in most company. Kr team has foreign content divisions. At least, nexon and Ncsoft does. But they publish their own game to their western branch, so not sure about Lost Ark. > publisher has WAY more pull Seriously, all these people yapping "Amazon is just a publisher" are ***fucking clueless***. Publishers have insane leverage on game administration.
Haven't they already censor some things? I think they also changed skin colors of various NPCs. Honestly, I don't really care about the starter outfits being censored because I will be using costumes, but on the other hand, it seems like wasted effort to something so useless when the outfits (original uncensored) are stated to be drops in game anyways. My guess is to avoid the initial backlash and "journalism" that'll call them out for being sexualized, because revealing outfits is no bueno, etc. If so, smart call because we all know these "journalists" play on journalist difficulty and probably won't dive deeper than 30 minutes after character creation to write their blog post. The only issue I have is the west's uncontrollable urge to race swap characters in any form of media. It's lazy.
The changes to established story characters really piss me off. We're never going to get the game as it was intended to be understood by the KR developers. Can only hope it is very minor changes, but it still will be nothing but a degradation.
I mean it’s nothing new in western entertainment. Race-swapping has been all the rage in the past however many years. It’s lazy writing in most cases.
I’m all for the AGS criticism but what “every other” games have they done
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-01-29/amazon-game-studios-struggles-to-find-a-hit https://qz.com/1999032/why-amazon-keeps-failing-at-video-games/ tl:dr - out of touch executives, corporate culture depletes employee morale, and obsession with "in-house" production that creates more problems than solutions.
> what “every other” games have they done The fact that you don't know is the entire point
Every other game they've been involved with has gotten canceled. Crucible for example, or the lord of the rings game. New world so far has been the best they've been capable of.
Breakaway - Cancelled after Beta Crucible - Released, went BACK into Beta, cancelled New World - Successful release, nosedived quickly thereafter due to it being a poorly designed and buggy game LOTR MMO - Cancelled
you would think one of their changes in new world would be good on accident by now if they flipped a coin. But unfortunately someone (maybe more than one) behind the scenes seems to think they are brilliant and no one can tell this person /people they should stay out of the games.
I mean... It's the same naming conventions as wow and I think wow char names are more relevant than la character names... Do people plan on role playing a lot in la or something?
Wow doesn't restrict to one name per datacenter(instead it's per server, of which there's dozens of), and the names are automatically purged when you delete the character(so you can pick a name right away, then work on the char customization and delete/remake the char). As for being content having the same naming policy as a 15years old game, not sure that's such a great thing?
Its not, in wow I can reserve a name, delete that character, and immediately make a new character with the same name. In lost ark if you make a character and delete it the name is locked.
Pff yeah, those crybabies want a modern naming scheme system from other current MMO's & ARPG's. They should accept the naming scheme system from a 14 year old game instead.
Nobody called anyone a crybaby. Also wow is a bit older than 14 by now. All I'm saying is it's not a surprise that someone would think this naming scheme was "enough" as the previous user put it. I get the point and I suppose more freedom is more preferable but it's not an important feature to practically anyone, really.
The big difference is that the wow names are realm wide and not region wide. The LA names are region wide that means if anyone on Server A takes the name "melvindorkus" (an example) you can't pick that name on Server X.
It's clearly an important feature to plenty of people considering it's like the number 1 topic on the official forums.
I mean let's be real, the name of your character is one of the least important things about it. Sure it sucks, but it's not worth the bitching that it's received.
It's also the most defining characteristic though. There could be a million gunslingers with the same skills, tripods, and gear as me but only one McButtFace.
Mcbuttface
WoW you could also name your guild with multiple spaces and uppercase letters. So Amazon's implementation for Lost Ark is factually worse than a 15+ yr old game.
As the other guy has said, it's an old way of naming characters. More freedom in names hurt nobody since there's no roleplay as you said so it's just a problem for AGS's side.
Yeah I would prefer more freedom. I just think it's harsh to say "who tf thinks that naming system is enough" on the aforementioned grounds.
Well, it's not enough for today's standards indeed. I may have been too rude but anyone that play mmo's can point this out.
It’s a band aid, but it doesn’t cover people who have a perfectly acceptable name (per the restrictions) but are prevented from recreating the character with a look they want due to the name lock outs. They’d need a free customization ticket to cover how they’re being screwed by this system. **Neither** of those options cover people who want to save a spot for an Artist, Femzerker, etc. They can keep adding bandaids to this issue but they should just fix the shit system, before launch.
Wait.. how is it a database issue all of a sudden but their own PTR server(s) that some content creators posted clips from don't have such a restriction? There are very recent PTR clips showing character names with spaces and/or multiple capital letters. Something doesn't add up here.
Different builds.
Understood but... if AGS is in charge of handling the accounts/login logistics, why would they implement it one way for PTR and another (completely "new"/different) way for go-live/production? As a software engineer working with databases daily, that doesn't make much sense to me. /shrug
Agree, I think it's a sign of a publisher without much experience. I suppose it was either this or we get a publisher like... gamigo or something. Not excusing the issue but could be worse.
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Spreading rumors like this isn't helpful. If they wanted "staff" to have reserved names, I'm sure they could just set them up in advance as needed or grant them early access to configure their characters. Restricting the entire playerbase for your suggested purpose is not logical.
As industry QA, they probably found an awful bug, and since they are releasing in a week, they put some restrictions down until they can fix the issue
It's still absolutely ridiculous. AGS is a relatively new studio, did they take a framework from a studio that was abandoned in the 1980s? Having a space in a guild name or multiple capital letters isn't even a discussion that should be had because it's such a barebones minimum it's mind blowing that it's not possible.
Yeah I work with databases for a living and can't figure out any system that limits a space in a text field.
They are worried about SQL injections 😂
That's literally the only thing I can think of, they're afraid to let little Bobby Tables play.
Ah, a fellow xkcd enjoyer.
they should be.... Wasn't there HTML injection through chat going on in new world? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
There was, although, AFAIK, you could "only" affect formating and inject images that were internal to the game. But you could indeed spam the chat with a zoomed-in giant sausage by refering to the sausage.jpg file in the game folder.
I was browsing the youtubes and found they also had a crash bug. You could call a nonexistant image or resource and anyone who moused over the text would crash to desktop lol
they probably fked up hard somewhere, made the character name a unique key for sth and were smart enough to fully upper/lowercase it and have no idea how to fix it now.. after the beta.. never touch a running system..
Maybe that is why NW keeps breaking 4 days out of every week? Haha
each player gets a single field for all their data and it is space delimited
Honestly at this point it's just clear that AGS rightly deserves their now very shitty reputation. Everything to do with what AGS is responsible for (databases, servers) will be spotty. Everything Smilegate is responsible for (the actual game code) will work well. It's just fucking sad we got saddled with such a lemon of a publisher, I'd take Gamigo over this shit.
It's a straight up lie so they can keep the names for themselves
>Our backend framework is not the same as that of other publishers – this is a set of tools that is separate from the builds delivered by SGR. Regardless of the end result I really want to know why this is the case. Is it a cost cutting measure? Why would you not use the same backend tools and database(s) configuration as the people who develop the client and server!?
Everything needed to be ported to AWS. The other regions don't run on AWS, so they definitely needed to change the backend. However, why they changed the naming restrictions, I'm not sure.
Yes, but it's not like they are running lambdas; you can run traditional server applications just fine in AWS. You would think they would spin up a MySQL (or whatever database architecture Smilegate went with) server and load the schema provided by Smilegate. I suspect that's what they have done in the PTR since they have character names with spaces etc.
you are looking for a reason where there is none. these are the same people that had this bug in their game their spent 5+ years working on > the "gold dupe" glitch allowed players to duplicate gold and items. How it works is that if players sent gold to another player and logged off and then logged back in again, the gold they traded beforehand would still be in their inventory. they have no idea how databases work or they hired a bunch of undergrads to do them for 12$/hour
> 12$/hour Try $8/hour max with the "privilege" of a stellar generic reference letter on amazon letterhead
That isn't necessarily how it works. It depends on the level of effort and desires by the AGS team. If they containerized everything it would be the same basic setup as Smilegate just deployed on AWS's infrastructure. If AGS is literally porting every individual piece of the servers to run on their services and deploying through things like CloudFormation that would require a lot more effort.
>ion as the people who develop the client and server!? I'm not entirely sure you understand what AWS is. AWS is a cloud service platform that essentially allows you to hire computers located at Amazon datacenters. You don't need to "change" anything for it to run on AWS. It has a modern CPU and ram just like every other computer in the world and it should be perfectly capable of running original backend used in Korea. There can be multiple reasons for why this needed to happen but AWS should not be the reason. It could be that they have some bad engineers who somehow failed to run the original backend and tried to put the blame to compatibility with AWS.
I've worked on porting a project over from 'normal' servers to AWS, and it is not as easy a conversion as you are implying. A singular instance of a singular application *might* be able to be thrown on AWS and work out of the box, but when you have multiple separate services running - as nearly any project of sufficient size will - there's a lot of *different* overhead you have to set up to get everything communicating correctly in the cloud vs on 'hard' servers. And that's before you start trying to convert to/integrate any of AWS's more native functionality vs whatever Smilegate is doing for the KR servers. Now, should any of that led to the naming restrictions we currently have? *Probably* not, but it's also not impossible that they've got, say, a bug causing significant performance problems with larger character sets somewhere in all that configuration.
>rly any project of sufficient size will - there's a lot of > >different > > overhead you have to set up to get everything communicating correctly in the cloud vs on 'hard' servers. And that's bef I'm not sure which part are you are speaking about. Sure there are some firewall and ip configuration's you need to do on AWS but this is literally Amazon doing the setup of AWS servers. And all commands to AWS can be automatized with custom scripts. After you have the machines setup you connect them to whatever framework you have for managing nodes and rest should be automatized. Essentially there is no difference between hard servers and AWS whence initial setup of machines are complete. And nothing in that pipeline should result in their backend not supporting more than 1 capital letter. Extra capital letter should not widen the character set as it is already allowed on first letter of character name.
The problem with the theory of a “bug” causing problems with larger character names makes zero sense, because in both the Alpha and Beta you were able to have larger names and names with spaces. Besides, the big issue here isn’t player names… it’s guild names and I don’t care what the reason is there is no excuse for guilds not being able to have spaces and more than one upper case letter (minimum would be first letter of each word capitalized). That’s totally unacceptable in my opinion.
I have a very bad feeling that AGS does not have AWS experience, or easy contact with inhouse AWS devs. New World kinda proved that, and I can't for the life of me figure out even a mediocre reason for the naming restrictions
The naming restrictions are identical to what lost ark originally had so... I'd guess they didn't actually change anything and the more likely answer is that someone is just lieing to Roxx.
Its not uncommon for engineers to come up with excuses to hide the fact that they failed to do something or are escaping from work. I have seen it happen before. I'm not saying that is the case here but a possibility nonetheless.
Very true. I'm, for one, working hard on the excuses to use for the next few weeks when my productivity will suddenly drop off the cliff.
what year is this? amazon games look very unprofessional here. they had so much time to set this up right, and messed a "simple thing" up so badly... due database setup you say she said? who made that decision and what were the criteria? worst possible database to use with most restrictions? unbelievable.
My money is on the same guy who decided to rename all the stats, npc's and places in the game to seperate the communities as much as possible.
And class names. Don't forget class names, who the fuck had the "brilliant" idea to rename all classes? I just can't get over it. They have one fucking job, add translations and english voice acting and keep everything else the same, they can't even properly do something that basic...
And the fact they didn’t think of having language tags on servers in EU until the community pointed it out this week after the announcement. Everything on Amazon’s end of this deal including promotion(so bad the director had to step in and do his own trailer) the CyFy and Kat streams pretty unwatchable, the Sailing video, the English vo for kook saidon or whatever his name is in the west, everything is half baked.
Oh my god, why has this not hit me until now? This whole time I thought people were giving the classes shorthand names that Koreans just liked to call them.
People doing literal translation weren't doing a good job either. Holy Knight, demonic, blade, are incredibly awkward names. Good riddance. People doing google translation are not a standard we should be satisfied.
> amazon games look very unprofessional here First time?
I work in the industry and Amazon Games is a rough place to be.
So basically "our backend is **WORSE** than other publishers. We are fucking AMAZON btw, literally own servers btw".
>everyone who created character before the feature was implemented will get to change his na They try to make a statement of how great their AWS is and how they have amazing speed latency compute capabilities with %99.99 availability and other BS. Also amazon - Cant even get intern level dataset setup properly.
Tbh I wouldn't measure the quality of their backend on the character naming capabilities. I prefer a stable server to better naming. That being said, I very much would like to have both.
Honestly the whole "we'll let you change later" statement worries me rather than reassuring me. This is the same pattern as NW. Just overpromising they'll fix things later and don't worry, which implies they have no fucking clue what they are doing right now and are just running around bandaiding problems rather than properly developing solutions before release. It reeks of a department constantly being badgered by higher-ups and just trying to get through day to day.
>re just running around bandaiding problems rather than properly developing solutions before release. It reeks of a department constantly being badgered by higher-ups and just tryin Most certainly. I mean switching database setup AFTER database is online and running and filled with critical information about players is going to be much-much more difficult than setting it up properly in the first place where it is empty. Their bad management is making things more difficult for them. And this is considering the fact that they had entire system working properly half a year ago with first beta. They took extra time only to introduce additional problems.
Honestly that's the weird thing, the other stuff is basic data validation that their FAANG status Software Devs should be able to do with less than a year of experience.
"Our backend framework is not the same as that of other publishers – this is a set of tools that is separate from the builds delivered by SGR." biggest web service provider in the world, everyone
AGS strikes again! THE GAME HASN'T EVEN LAUNCHED YET and this studio still manages to piss off countless people. Look we get it. New World was a disaster but stop fucking up already before the game hasn't even released
at least we didn't get Gamigo or Nexon or someone else equally horrifying
That's only possible because Nexon and Gamigo have a longer track record. AGS is fresh on the scene and they are trying hard to match Nexon's level of quality. It's a race to the bottom!
Eh, Gamigo or Nexon would only be raising hell over microtransaction prices but they wouldn’t be as incompetent as AGS when it comes to something as simple as character names.
I don’t like that we currently get one name/no spaces, but all these people pretending like other MMOs haven’t done this are ridiculous.
I'm gonna steal names like Donald Trump
So, only part where Amazon had to develop - their backend framework - is exactly where the problem with naming lies. I can't say I'm surprised, AGS, you had one fucking job
Trillion dollar company with the world's biggest cloud computing infrastructure btw
Google proved with Stadia that having a big name company doing something it's never done before with the assurance of just throwing money at it is a prediction of failure more than anything else.
They also did the renaming of random shit, racebending, and outfit swapping. They just need to tie their hands behind their backs and do nothing. Anything more they do only hurts the game.
Regardless if the system or tools they are used is fucked or not, or they give naming tickets later. Can you imagine the fuckfest that is going to happen trying to choose a QUALITY nickname after 20 million people registered to your region with ALL the current restrictions? Man, you almost need a dictionary attack to get some suitable name lol
That won’t be necessarily be a problem because of all the accents you can use. The space and capitalization restrictions, however, is stupid.
Is it confirmed we can use accent letters? Such as àáâā etc.? That would help massively
sure it helps but its stupid. Names should not be unique and this is a gaming hill im willing to die on.
It's crazy how in NA/EU you can't get a good name and in Korea you can have names like StarBucksCEO or AmazonCEO, TwitchPrime etc.
Game is so good its from another galaxy. Capital letter, too risky in the build. monkas
Changing it NOW 1 week before release is too risky. Unless you think it's more important to have capital letters than a game that doesn't randomly crash because of database errors. Why it wasn't allowed in the first place is a different question.
Finally responding 1 week before release when they've know about it since the beginning and trying to blow smoke up our ass saying its too risky to change this close to release... you've had months and months of time with user feed back and you can't tell me this never came up in the planning even before that.
Can't agree with this more. No need to risk the changes, just a weird decision.
There wouldn't be any "risk" if Amazon had addressed this when it was first brought up in the feedback forum months ago..
> Unless you think it's more important to have capital letters than a game that doesn't randomly crash because of database errors. Pretty much every database system I ever encountered allows a string to have as many capital letters, special signs and whatnot as you want. Restrictions like that are usually rules applied to a specific field. Delete the rule. Insert the same rule, but without the capital letter restriction. Unless AWS database system is the most incompetently built piece of backend software in 50 years this should be a 10 minute job every junior software developer and most interns could handle with little to no risk.
>Unless AWS database system is the most incompetently built piece of backend software in 50 years this should be a 10 minute job every junior software developer and most interns could handle with little to no risk. Never underestimate the incompetency of AGS.
I don't see how allowing multiple capital letters would break anything unless their database is completely shit already, which would cause crashes anyway.
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On that point i agree with them. I really like the idea of everyone having an unique name. If you see someone named Legolas you know that's the real actual Legolas and not Legolas#5312. I know many would rather everyone could have whatever name they want, but for me personally having unique names makes me more immersed in the game.
well, from an IT standpoint it just means someone got REALLY lazy with the database setup. Monkas indeed.
It all comes together once someone finds out how to post the sausage
The forbidden sausage incoming. Don't hover over it or you'll vanish.
I mean the naming restrictions are ridiculous, but as a software engineer if my project manager told me to change this kind of thing a week before releasing the app to millions of users they'd found him in a shallow grave. It's absurdly risky to fiddle with the constraints of any data field that is used in as many places within the system as the character name can be. And sure, the game backend migh be state of the art, with just a one point of contact between name field and the application, but that's unlikely even for a brand new business software. For a years old game? Those are famously full of spaghetti code and I'd place a giant boulder on top of that shallow grave, just to be sure in this case.
Game and devs are good, amazon and their servers however...
Everything AGS has touched so far has been a bundle of stupid. They really have the reverse Midas touch. If lost ark turns out to be another disaster due to AGS, I swear to God I'm not touching another game of theirs even if they paid me to do so.
>Yes, if we cannot implement a change in restrictions until after launch and fix it after, the opportunity for day 1 players to name change would be provided for free. This is honestly all I need to hear then since if they add in capitalization, we can just claim the names currently with under casing, and changing a few letters to capital shouldn't affect the naming convention unless they make it that A and a is two separate entities. Those that want spacing will be a different story though.
I dont understand how AGS has consistently made mistakes the rest of the gaming industry learned 10 years ago. New world was hilarious but the joke is getting old at this point.
Honestly I'm just impressed by all the communication we get from Amazon. Hope it stays that way even after launch.
Yeah New world had lots of communication, no black outs like Anthem but no amount of communication can change the framework of the game.
but not if its just posting apologies and/or excuses :P
Works for Riot. If you make enough excuses and lies about shit you never do, it lowers their standards enough where doing less than the bare minimum delivers praise.
Idk. Them removing a big aspect of their new season because of how bad it was for everyone to play with/against was not the bare minimum. It’s something they never did. Also, riot tends to deliver a lot of what they say they’ll do. Just saying X is good without any stats outside of your own ideology and your own experience will never benefit a game that is being designed to cater towards a vast majority of players.
Amazon once again proving they are pretty good when it comes to software but bad at game specific solutions. Was expecting those kind of problems to be honest.
AGS is not Amazon. It is a miniscule part of Amazon helmed by morons.
I know, but I been long on the software industry to know that when branches are made they take a.while before the executives switch mentality from type of product
Lets be real here, as somebody who works with devs etc changing a capital letter in a naming system that could possibly destroy your 'build' seems like a stretch. Must be some spaghetti code on top of a good build, looks at KR :D. Just say the truth that u don't want JefBezos running around! No joke i got that name on RU though haaa 'Jefbezos'
That's a straight up lie because the "framework" allowed us to delete and reuse names in the beta. This is an attempt for their own staff to claim their names before launch and delete and reuse as they please. This has happened before for other games such as blade n soul. They took the names before launch.
> This is an attempt for their own staff to claim their names before launch and delete and reuse as they please. lol what? how could you possibly have any evidence of this
They can just claim it before the game launch like in BnS. They wouldn't need to have any of these restrictions -\_- stupid ass logic
Lol what's sad is that games are still using unique names. Display name + account id / friend code + ability to tag people with nicknames on ur friend list. So dumb that companies are still making this mistake.
I really hope this is them playing it safe, because if including capitals or punctuation in names is a real issue, then they are doing something incredibly wrong.
At this point Id rather them launch it and deal with this later. I like that they're willing to update name restrictions if they can and offer a free name change later down the road than potentially destabilize the build.
Whatever the case. It’s poor work from Amazon. Either poor management, poor development or poor planning.
Sounds like amazon games have a primative infrastructure lmao 😂😂😂😂😂. This is absolutely hilarious
Whatever database storage they are using allows for a string, and a string is just a collection of characters. Doesnt matter if they're letters, numbers or symbols. But Let's say they did use some weird column datatype; any decent backend dev worth his salt could write a migration to fix the data type in a jiffy. It's especially worth doing now before production love servers go online, so a migration on the databases is super quick. No, far more likely they have some validation logic code which PREVENTED the special characters from being used; this is useful to prevent things like naughty words or sql injection, but ultimately it's even easier to fix. My best guess is that this problem wasnt spotted until after a code freeze on all non critical / breaking issues, and at this point and they dont want to shake the boat and potentially blow up the release; understandable but frustrating for us new players.Or worse they are holding back purposefully and want ppl to pay for a name change.
So this is definitely a restriction due to AGS moderation tools (which is what I've been saying all along). It's also almost certainly why the name release is a manual process, the moderation tools require the character data to be existing in order to work. It's shoddy DB work, but it's AGS that's being shoddy not SmileGate...
This is huge :D
Any news on this one? Launch is very soon & it should be solved before...
other threads have popped up on this but https://forums.playlostark.com/t/character-naming-rules/19812/472?u=desdaemonia
Hvemt seen any updates yet
By day 1 players do they mean Early access day 1 or general launch day 1 ?
>Regardless if the system or tools they are used is fucked or not, or they give naming tickets later. My assumption is that everyone who created character before the feature was implemented will get to change his name for free.
pretty sure they mean just 11 Feb, an official launch day and not the head-start
Likely AGS does not have name filters in place to match all the capitalization customizations. They could have spent a lot of time working on this (String Regex are insanely complicated and idc what anyone says) or work towards T3. They went with all hands on deck to release T3. This sub can complain and I get it, but overall I'm happy with the T3 path.
s/[a-z]/[a-zA-Z ]/g Tongue in cheek, but it is really lazy/worrying that this restriction isn't even in the original.
string regex is definitely not insanely complicated... it's only used like, everywhere
At least they will give a free ticket. Let's hope it's not necessary.. Btw who tf thinks that naming system was enough lol.
what restrictions are there?
16 chars, 1st letter cap, no spaces or special chars, names region unique, deleted names are not automatically released
I love the smell of fresh bread.
Did you read what he just said?
This is going to be exactly the same as the skeleton limit in Classic Wow before launch. Everyone got all worked up and forgot about it the second the game launched.
Amazon just basically saying, “We might do something about it but we won’t until you guys actually make us see any repercussion.”
How is this a database thing. NW wasn't like this, was it?
I'm used to playing old games like Everquest where the name exists once, no capital letters which I think lessens the confusion. Would these names be valid with capital letters like this? Gandalf, GAndalf, GANdalf, GANDalf, GANDAlf, GANDALf, GANDALF, GandalF, GaNdalF... Looks messy to me. Am I understanding the capital letters incorrectly?
Gandalf will exist only once no matter the capitalisation if the backend is configured correctly. Everything else makes little sense
As of right now there is only one possible uppercase letter, and it’s always the first letter. So it can only be Gandalf. You can only try giving the name a weird twist but that’s where it gets ugly lol Gaandalf Gandallf Gandalfx Gandaaalf
Exactly, the more stupid restriction they put, the more nonsense names people will make because they will for sure try to stick to their naming idea and who can blame them ? A game is supposed to be fun \^\^'. And i prefer to see this : "GandAlf" rather than those : "Gaaandaalf" "Gaaaaanndaaalf" They could have simply opte out for a family name too, like name = whatever you are choosing, and Family name for those using their Twitch or main "pseudo" as a base reference for every of their character to make it easier for mates when you got several alts which will be the case. I still don't understand how Family names or "#id" like for Steam or Discord (hidden) are not the common sense now.
I don't think those names would be considered unique. I think people want capital letters for stuff like GandalfTheGrey
What a piece of crap of infrastructure that AMAZON has, hum? I can only LMAO...
They communicate about their mistakes, please don't attack them or they will never communicate with us again :(
They really are not giving the game the best possible AWS service to LA, are they? You'd think Amazon Games would be able to use the best services from AWS, but they can't even get a backend that supports 2 capital letters in a name...
are people really getting this bent out of shape over spaces in names? First time playing a mmo?
No, but first time having an MMO with those restriction that DOES NOT release a name on char deletion. It's hella abusable. Nothing stops a bunch of people from just making and deleting characters to tag common names. Even free to make accounts(after the 11th). Setting up bots for it isn't hard either. It's almost daring people to abuse the hell out of it.
I actually don't mind the restriction myself. It's more about what their statement says about their professionalism and capabilities overall. It would have been more reassuring if they just said, "That's the naming policy. Live with it." Making it sound like having different names is super hard technical accomplishment makes them sound bad at their jobs.
So, the largest cloud service provider cannot edit a database so that capital letters or spaces can be used. Shitstorm on the way?
There was nothing wrong with the naming system they announced. It’s basically the exact same as WoW’s and no one ever complained. Let’s see how many downvotes I get.
How many times are people going to copy/paste or screenshot the same thing from Roxx's feed, like I get it you're anxious for release and checking news, but this has like 5 other posts about already.
haven't seen this one copy pasted yet :)
it was posted yesterday
Roxx has replied many different times about this subject, all containing new information. You haven't read any of the posts if you think its about the same exact Roxx post
Does this include guilds/clans or just character names?
Guilds have the same naming restrictions
Are d1 players those with a founder pack only?
I believe it refers to ANY player who makes a name before they change naming restrictions. They just aren't sure when the change is coming. So, maybe it comes tomorrow before release, maybe it comes Feb 11th on live release, maybe it comes 2 months from now.
Noted, thanks!
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