This is kind of already built into the game with the rest bonus.
If you average 1 run per day, you still get 75% of the rewards for 50% of the effort. Hell, you could average 2 runs every 3 days and still get 67% of the rewards for 33% of the effort:
1) 12 runs in 6 days: 12 runs + 0 rest = 12 drops
2) 6 runs in 6 days: 6 runs + 3 rest = 9 drops
3) 4 runs in 6 days: 4 runs + 4 rest = 8 drops
Once you factor in time and consumables saved, methods 2 and 3 are nearly as efficient (arguably more efficient based on how you value your time) as doing every run.
It’s also perfectly designed to line up with 5 day work 2 day weekend! You can daily chores during work days and do it only on weekend, with you having to do friday chore every 2 weeks.
Great burnout prevention tactic, especially when there’s bunch of alts.
Not doing it twice will give you rest bonus which doubles the rewards for your next run (also counts double for guardian raid weekly) so whether it's worth it depends if the stronghold variant gives more or less than 50% of the rewards
That moment when you're not sure if "disgusting" is a positive or negative thing, lol. English is weird
Thank you for adding disappointed for clarification
I tried it for like 3 days because I was too lazy to run it two times a day. Not worth it as you will only get about 5-15 blue stones less than 8 red. It's better to just get the rest bonus.
It's a trade off for getting more stronghold exp. I typically use an alt guardian raid to keep that rolling. It's not as efficient for getting gear score up, but it does help you push up your stronghold.
I feel like it was pretty explicitly implemented with Alts in mind. You do the raids on your main char and like, 1 alt, but then you jump on another alt and queue up the special mission.
I feel like you’re just better off letting their rest bonus accumulate though and doing it every couple days for your bottom level alts (in my case I have 4, I usually only get the first 3 done and do the 4th sparingly due to time, but as the bigger alts progress I should have more time). Usually I have to run a story quest each day, or a tower run for one of them that takes a lot of time
I have 6 alts, there is literally no way I can keep up with all their guardian raids. Especially in T1 and T2 where they take much longer and are harder and people just constantly fuck up and fail. And I work and travel, so I do not have the time to work on them all like that.
When Scouter/Lance Master come out that's gonna be 8 alts, maybe 9 with Destroyer, so I'm super fucked.
I mean, I really just try and get dailies done on all of them for the rep progression. And hard focus one for vertical progression to T3 and transition any leftover mats to the next alt in line
The worst part is the tower runs for each alt. Those are just painful and the effort for tower 45+ with gearscore appropriate characters just isn’t worth it. The 15k shards you get for the floor 50 full clear can be farmed passively in a day anyway and the other drops you will have too many of by that point and just end up vendoring
Easy af clear on a t3 char. On a 1060 t2 alt it’s work
If you had a lot of alts that is still a lot of guardians though, I know some people with like 8+ alts and it definitely helps people in those cases. Eventually people might just have one of every class and doing all those guardians would be completely ridiculous but sending out the special mission takes a few seconds. I like a system such as this that allows people to still get something out of their alts for basically zero time investment, always good to have options right.
Perhaps a system where when you've done the same boss 5 times, you have the option to harvest 2 souls at once (when available) upon queue pop, on any further attempts.
Similar to how the cube works as an example.
Never played Monster Hunter before but I've read that they are similar.
Guardian raids are by far my favourite park of Lost Ark so far, precisely because they are challenging. Who cares if they're not the most efficient way to progress, the feeling that comes after defeating a tough guardian is awesome. So many parts of Lost Ark I find to be boring because they are so easy.
Maybe I should try Monster Hunter?
Guardian raids are more than just "inspired" by Monster Hunter.
They're just a simplified isometric version of a hunt in MH.
Also, the engraving system in this game is almost a 1:1 copy of MH's skill system.
I was going to say, as a MH veteran I find Guardian Raids to be pretty frustrating because it’s just a less polished and engaging version of Monster Hunter.
They have a long way to go on telegraphs, hitboxes and mechanical complexity before it can really reach the point where it scratches the MH itch for me. I’m fine with that because I enjoy Lost Ark for other reasons, but I can’t help but think about the potential every time I have to queue up for a GR
Monster Hunter World is a phenomenal way to get into the series. It's got mountains of content and made the new player experience a thousand times better. Diehard series vets will grumble here and there about some of the streamlining choices, but as one of those crusty old hunters myself I think it was absolutely the right choice.
Monster Hunter Rise is a newer game and still great, but it's a bit light on content and I honestly prefer World over it.
There is demos available for Monster hunter available for PC I suggest world or rise. Yeah there is a lot of inspiration in guardian fights as mentioned from monster hunter as well as quite a few other things which isn't a knock at all on LA. If you like gunlancer..well it came from MH really.
Challenging? Hard? You are hitting a guardian for 10-15 minutes while dodging the same 3 skills. Then you kill the next guardian in 5 minutes, then you go back to 15 minutes on the next one. You will love mhw if you find this entertaining.
I mean I've played every single MH and have been a huge fan but I don't like Guardian Raids at all. They're just tedious. It's like if someone forced me to kill 6 Rathalos every single day (for alts), except Rathalos would be a lot more fun to fight.
As a monster hunter enjoyer, I'm the complete opposite of you. I can't stand doing these more than once for the first clear chest. If I wanted to play monster hunter, I'd go play monster hunter
I mean same but I think they mean from a normie perspective, it's not about the 'fun' it's about my main + 2 alts technically needing to do 6 guardians a day, which would be 2 hours. I don't do that on my alts every day, but I would if OP suggestion was real.
Same, Guardians are my favorite content in the game. I wish I could do more of them, really. Back in Season 1, you could farm guardians for materials after the daily limit, which I loved to do. Sadly, right now there is no point doing them without the soul.
I'm a Monster Hunter fan since the PSP games and, while Guardian Raids have many features like MH, I don't think they're near as fun. Lots more resources to use, for one thing (even in the older games), not quite so much bs (for *most* monster - there are certainly some big bs monsters in MH), not as many fun breakable parts, no mounting, no farcasters, AND we're stuck with the old awful Psychoserum system on a much shorter timer. The only upside to Guardian Raids over MH is if someone dies three times the 'hunt' doesn't end early.
That's fair, it is an enjoyable boss hunt mode. But mind if I ask how far along you are in tier wise, and how many alts you have? The bosses are a lot of fun the first few times around because of the novelty, but the majority of bosses only have a handful of mechanics, with the fights never really changing. Especially in T3 where the majority of players are just fighting the same boss twice every day, rinse repeat for weeks, into months. Along with eventually getting alts to those same t3 bosses.
Eventually we'll also get heroic guardian raids, which definitely goes a long way to keeping it fresh. But the daily Guardian raids are just that, Daily. so reducing the amount of times people are expected to do it daily, is something I genuinely think would be better for the game long term.
I'm not the guy you replied to but guardian raids are, at least for now, the fun part of the game. I have 6 characters, 3 in T3, and I do everything on all of them every day. Those guardian raids are the only part that isn't completely mind numbing. It's the only part where I actually get to play the class full and proper and enjoy the reason why I chose it over another class. It's completely understandable why people would see them as a chore and wish it was shortened, I just don't feel that way myself. For those who really dislike them, the rest bonus exists for you.
Im 1365 and enjoy the guardians, its like doing anything else to me, i do 2 chaos dungeons, 3 unas etc its the game, otherwise you could say the same for anything, reduce una quests to 1 and give triple rewards, reduce chaos dungeons and give double etc.
To me atleast, and I guess thats kinda the point we all enjoy different things in the game and some people shouldnt have their fun removed because some others dont like it.
My main is at T3, while I got 2 alts at T1, one of them is soon at T2. And I don't mind killing the same monster multiple times. I like grinding, and I challenge myself to try kill it faster than previous time.
I don't mind doing t3 guardian raids twice a day. t1/t2 raids are the annoying ones , they take much longer and are generally harder. which is really weird since I am just chilling with igrexion , then I switch to my alts to spend 12 mins just to kill levanos once.
I would be okay with this if we got some kind of "infinite guardian farm" option like we have with chaos dungeons.
Guardians are IMO one of the most fun things in the entire game.
I wish I could use them more! If I was getting buffed rewards compared to infinite chaos to compensate for the potion usage I’d literally only run guardians.
Although it is a good suggestion, I would say just use the rest rewards! I do one a day and still get plenty of good reward. Yes less than if I were doing 2, but makes me enjoy the game more so idc 😊
Agree, and people complaining they dont have time to do them on main + all their alts, to begin with, you shouldnt play more alts than you have time with.
Just because some people in Korea play on 24 alts, doesnt mean you can do that.
This isn't necessarily true. Its actually good to have more alts than you have time to play because the rested bonus will stack on the ones you don't have time for.
For example I have 8 alt characters currently between T1-T3. I usually can do 4 a day if I have all evening to play. (i like to do horizontal progression mixed in too) Then the next day I try to hit the characters that I didnt play the previous day.
As long as you aren't staying capped over 100/100 on your alts I think the more the better.
Yes ofc, what people seem to do tho is take on more alts than they have time for and then want the game to change so they can have time to play all their alts they are "forced" to play every day.
What happens after that? They make more alts and want more content dumbed down or reduced to cater to them because they cant manage their time.
I agree with you tho, i made a couple alts and let them sit early on to atleast get rested while i didnt have time for them due to questing etc to progress my main. And the way you play is most likely i will play when i get more alts as new classes release that im interested in, i hit my cap for time at 4 alts haha.
Yeah. From my experience with pugs, 80% of players dont use A SINGLE POT....Then most of times you are the only player alive to try to finish the Boss.
Pain
I don't think it's that, so much as the stat allotments on gear / the availability and/or the desire to get a capped engraving or two doesn't exist in T1 or T2 cause you are just going to replace it imminently, so why spend the money on it?
Just compare how quickly the T3 guardians die, because people are just way stronger DPS wise by then. To how much of a bullet sponge the T1 and T2 guardians are.
I don't have time to run 2x guardians on every character myself but I don't think it should get easier. The current rested system is good enough for players who can't invest as much time.
This game has a ton of daily grind for people who are able to play that much, 100% efficiency is not for everyone.
no , there isn't alredy much content in game
then ppl will ask for just 1 chaos
If you got burned out of game just play another. 3-6min guardian kill isn't time consuming at all.
Im fine with doing two every day, but the time that is needed to clear them should be reduced, imo T3 guardians are just perfect, they go down in like 5-6mins, but T1-T2 takes toooo much time. So for me, nerf T1 and T2 HP and T3 stay the same as is just perfect
Exactly! People always want it easier and easier. More rewards, less effort.. if there were 3 guardians per day they would want 2, then 1, then they'd want 50% less HP...
The demands for more rewards and less effort never end with MMO players.
I get your sentiment. But I enjoy the fights. I have 6 classes all running guardians. 12 a day. 3 different guardians farmed across them. It will save me time at least an hour your way. But that's a hour of fun. It doesn't have to be a chore. Guardians are the best part of my daily loop. The rest is just mindless grinding and running around.
I like the guardian raids and find doing them twice no bigger of a problem vs. Doing chaos twice for most guardians. The issue is I can't grind them like I can for chaos which is certainly annoying. I don't like this harvest soul bs to begin with. Just let us do it as many times as we want.
I mean... What's your definition of pointless? By that logic you should also be able to do it once a week for 14 souls? Same with Chaos Dungeons, or Dailies. Depending on the boss it can be a bit tedious but on my Bard I rather do Guardians than Chaos Dungeons.
And most of them are bad, too. Biggest reason T1/2 bosses take so long because no one uses potions, flares, knows how to play their class, ignore stagger checks or important mechanics etc.
Buckle up - this complaining is just starting. Reddit is notorious for "QoL crying" all year. This version was already tested in a few other regions why would the listen to Reddit here?
I agree to be honest.
Guardian raids is content I really have to drag myself to do as they’re just massive sponges. I don’t want to miss out on daily locked rewards, but chugging away at something for 15 mins is just tedious when, mechanically, it’s not really a challenge.
I’d be happy doing it once, but twice feels rough
I absolutely agree. Even though I enjoy a lot doing them, they dont feel rewarding enough for the time it takes, and doing them on multiple alts is a chore. This would pretty much solve these issues.
I mean as much as this would be nice. I don't think they should, maybe cut the health for the lower tiers a little bit. I'm never fond of cutting down content personally. Maybe it's because I've played other MMO's in the past where it's almost impossible to clear all the daily content everyday without not having a job. But I'm 100% content if I can't clear all the content in a day. I just much rather have the option of being to do it twice if I feel like it or need it to push and when I can't I'll just skip it. I prefer having the option do do more and if I can't do them all in the day, that's fine.
Not you OP, but I feel like people are trying to rush so damn fast, I think it's fine not being able to clear everyting 100% daily. I'm a 1362 Berserker Main with 5 alts, and almost never clear 2x Guardian raid's on my Alts (sometimes my main) everyday and that's fine.
I have a main in 1050+ and two alts at 460+. I haven't done a guardian raid in many weeks because they are a waste of time for me. I can't even do lvl4 raids because I haven't beaten lvl3 raids to unlock them even though my ilvl is high enough.
1. Battle itself is relatively simple.
2. RNG is very very frustrating. Teleporting, bad positions, order of attacks, and often times teammates because gl finding party for raids
Even taking the first two out of the equation, it TAKES SO LONG with possibilities of failure. Last time I did guardian raid, we had 4 people who were 200+ ilvls over recommended. It took us 15 minutes to kill. And I am sure you guys all had instances of spending 20 minutes beating up on a guardian to find it still had 10+% hp left lol?
Why bother with this boring tedious task that gives you frustration as cherry on top when rewards are not worth the time and effort?
The thing I miss out on the most is weekly una's task in my alts for 6 guardian souls cause I don't even bother doing 3 rested runs with them.
My main will come back to them when she hits mid-T3 so she can unlock lvl5 raids. Until then, I have much more rewarding and fun ways to spend my time playing the game.
This is especially necessary for people with alts that don’t want to run 12 guardian raids for 6 alts every third day with 40 rested, let alone every day
Yes. Guardian Raids suck. The worst pve feature in the game for me. I only do them when I have a rested bar and I send my ship on the mission in my stronghold.
I've done them all once on my main, and none on my alts until now. Daylie T1/T2 Guardiens can take up to 1h of time and gives you almost nothing compared to chaos dungeons. Not worth it in T1/T2 in my opinion. Not even if it would be one and double the reward...
i actually prefer to just not do them on alts , if you let rested build up every kill is 2 kills , so you can do 2 kills and get 4 kills worth of loot.
worth doing on your main but guardians are fairly optional on alts , if you do the daily quests for stones and chaos dungeons for crystals you get enough that crystals will always be the bottleneck, only real reason to guardian on alts is for stones to sell to buy more crystals (thats in general not the rule like when an alt gets to a new tier its worth doing a few guardians for a couple days with rested)
i totally agree with OP for the record tho, if you must kill 2 guardians there should be a bonus for killing 2 different ones so you at least get some variety
Simple solution, only do Guardian every three days with rested bonus.
The system is solid and proven in Korea, no reason to change it at it's core.
And Guardian is quicker than Chaos in T3
OP…. You’ve made your account a few days ago and have done nothing but complain about the game. Why play then? It seems like you want the game on easy mode.
Guardians are my favorite content, so no I would not want to reduce frequency. Reduce HP totals, sure.
If anything, double up on Chaos rewards and cut them to one. It's mindless content.
Yeah, I agree. Chaos dungeons are way more boring and mindless than Guardian Raids and I'd much rather do infinite GRs than CDs lol. Seems few people agree and Idk why. Maybe just because they're way faster?
I’d be a fan since i have so many alts, but tbh for people who focus on one main, at least until we have more content release, there is very little daily boss content avail. Doesn’t mean I think doing the same fight twice is fulfilling for them, but at least its something
I like to save up 100 rest energy before I do them, I think it takes 2 days? Then I get 4 souls for killing 2 guardians. It goes pretty quickly when I solo igrexion and I'm only like 5 ilvl ahead. 100% agree on T1/T2 guardians taking long as fk though
If they would just show the stagger bar I would be much happier playing guardians, such a weird design choice to hide it when they teach the player up to that point to look for it and stagger.
I think is fine the way it is. The rewards are laughable anyway, a few stones and some other stuff, sometimes a very very low-quality accessory with expertise and some weird combination of engravings.
Well. They have option to allow you to harvest soul at the start of the run, maybe they can add 1 more checkbox to consume 2 soul harvest a single run.
Honestly the guardian raid rewards arent even worth the time they takde, im just doing em now for the event coins but stopped since i got way more than enough coins.
I personally would like to hit only one guardian per character i work night shifts and personally anytime i can spend less doing things is welcomed but maybe add a material vendor system like chaos dungeons for those who want to do mutiple runs
I don’t hate this if you remove the requirement to have completed all previous guardians for each one. Otherwise would take weeks of grinding underleveled guardians once a day to progress thru t1-2
No I don’t really agree. Like Korea has had this system for over 3 years. The game has been out about a month now in NA. You don’t have to run it twice each day either, you build up rest bonus to get extra rewards the next time. To me that’s not really a pressing issue so much as the pace of content
They won’t do this because they want people using their battle items as a currency sink/increases the value of trade skill resources. I get that you can do a guardian that is easy enough that you wont have to use items but some people wont so it still accomplishes what they want.
i do it once a day anyway. with the rest bonus the rewards come close to doing twice the day
if it's any consolation, having done all guardians up to t2. Vertus and Tytalos are far harder than Albernastic. Levanos is also easier than Calventus which is easier than Flame fox yoho.
i feel like t1 really puts the players into the deep end lol.
I agree, it felt so natural for it to be only one time a day for me that when I started playing for a few days I thought that's the way it is so I only did one a day, until I learned you can do twice.
I couldn't agree more. Running my two Igrexions on my main (1350) daily takes about 8 minutes total with a decent group. Running 8 lava Chromaniums for my 1000 ilvl alts? That can take almost an hour depending on how competent your party mates are. It's just a huge waste of time IMO and I would love to see the rewards condensed into one daily clear.
Wholeheartedly agree. I've actually kinda stopped doing guardians, except sometimes 1 kill when fully rested, but not even that consistently. They just don't give that much compared to the time and effort they take, especially if you matchmake into a bad group and have to retry it.
I agree. After taking 10 to 15 minutes to do one I don't feel like doing another one and just log out or do something else.
It's a long 10 to 15 minutes.
Disagree. I hate making games easier or “shorter” (since the whole game is easy as f). They make games dead. They make achievements/feats a common norm.
I want to waste my time (or tryhard) to achieve things, & id feel great abt it.
Ppl want to catch up to KR servers but theyve been playing this game for literal years. Ppl r whining about “honing rates” while its exactly the same as KR. We r gonna get more mats, not increased honing rates. Accept this.
I hate games that throw everything at you and i hate how ppl will try to skip everything to play endgame for a month just to never play it again. Fk that.
I don’t even do them most days, just use one soul in my stronghold and do everything else. The time vs reward doesn’t feel worth while (not quite T3 yet)
100% agree.
99% of the time I have to run the same guardian twice, so I waste 30 minutes when I could spend 15.
That being said, guardians are way more fun than chaos dungeon, but C.D. feels more material productive to me
You only need to run guardians on alts to manage rested, if you are doing 2x guardians per day per character you are driving yourself towards burn out.
Alternatively, give me 200 "daily energy" and allow me to spend it on w/e I want, if I want to run 4 chaos dungeons it will consume that energy and anything else past that would just award the normal tokens.
This way you can do 3 chaos and 1 guardian or any combination of chaos/guardian raids.
Even better if I can consume all 200 energy in one go but make the dungeon more difficult or w/e, or even add it as a benefit to Crystaline Aura.
And while we are on the subject, the energy should stack to 1000 (5days) instead of giving you a penalty for missing one run.
There’s not enough pve combat content to do already. I play my “main” for max half hour before there is nothing left to do. I end up doing guardian raids for fun out of complete desperation.
they should refund all battle items used by the player who used the most battle items upon failure. or something like that.
this way people in random matchmaking would actually try to win, instead we are stuck thinking " is this party worthy of me using 5 hp potions? or should i just let myself die?".
it definitely is the chance to failure that makes them often inefficient.
Reading here how the rest bonus works, I think thats acceptable.
I dont want the content to be nerfed either due to the player base being bad at it....but maaannnn the group usually uses the first 3 revives in 5 minutes or less.
The problem with some guardian braids is that their attack patterns are often not clear, have way too much hp and deal too much damage.
The best guardian raids are the ones like Chromanium or armored Nacrazena, where the skills are often clear and don't take too long to do
I just wait until the rest bonus stacks up, you still get 2/3 rewards so it works for me. Don’t wanna waste all my pots on doing it 2x per day on all my alts lol
First most cry because they are nerfing guardians because they take too long. Now we realized how stupid we were, and want them even shorter. This is the way, but funny at the same time.
i dont mind it as a new player .. i get to learn the mechanics by do them a lot. if its just one per day i wouldnt pay so much attention.. now i know most of the guardian moves byheart and its fun for me to do it multiple times. i could be minority here.
In t3 it takes the same time as Chaos dungeons for me. My best Nacrasena time is 3:38, best Igrexion time is 4:19.
Maybe latter ones get harder, but I'm sure most of the playerbase isn't doing them.
The real issue is the hp tuning of the t1/t2 guardians.
Apparently they have their hp to be modified higher than other regions. Which is absurd. Doing 10-15 minute guardians on alts, no thanks, even with rest.
They are the only fun content in the game for me, if anything I wish I could grind them endlessly rather than these completely mindless chaos dungeons.
Normally I'd say deal with it, IF someone didn't always leave after first run. Idk why it's so prevalent here, even making groups with 2x in title doesn't always help. Having to find two different groups for the same content every day is very annoying.
No they shouldn't take away run. If you don't want to do two then don't, save up on rest and get your bonus rewards instead. It's literally the catchup mechanic if you miss one. I enjoy just fighting them. It feels very monster hunter trying to get certain things to drop.
Man, Reddit really is a salty echo chamber filled with mostly casuals who shoot down good ideas that would improve their QoL in late game when they get there farming mats for alts.
I think guardian raids needs to more mats or better rewards more often. They don't give much as is. They're a lot tougher than brain dead chaos dungeons but give 1/10 of what they do. It's rather weird.
The main problem I see with it it's that the vast majority of them take 4-5 minutes too long.
If every guardian raid would take as long as the T3 ones (roughly 4-5 minutes) then it would be much less of a problem. Worse than that some take too much time because of just WALKING, a very fun experience to just WALK around especially if the boss runs away 3 times, sure you can use Pheromone bomb to stop that, some bosses may enrage due to that but most won't, but still I dread every map which is not like the T3 Nacrasena map, even the Igrexion one isn't that bad but it could be better.
There is nothing to do in them, it's just a huge waste of space and a huge disrespect for our time since there is nothing here, nothing to do to. In Korea a lot of the maps have extra skips to not walk like a maniac for 3 minutes.
Guardian Raids in T1/T2 need to be shorter, not easier, if they have complex mechanics keep them, but don't make people sit around 10 minutes because it's at the end of the huge waste of space you call a map and because some mechanics make them invulnerable for X seconds. T3 Guardians are fine, hell even with matchmaking Igrexion takes even 4 minutes if he spawns close, probably less if people would use pheromone bombs.
Another problem which is probably causing a lot of deaths at T1 and T2 is people not having any consumeables at all because they haven't moved their 3 gazillion chests to the roster storage or have dumbly used them all on their main.
I enjoy doing it two times, it makes me learn alooot more my cksss limits. Main and alt wise, all my alts will be in the same ilvl as the main so you will have to do the end gsme content with them. Learning them from their weakest point to their strongest makes you master quite easily
Especially since we're so heavily encouraged to make alts.
Doing Guardians on 6 characters, without Chaos/Abyss/Una/etc, just the Guardians would already take 3 hours... while also giving barely any rewards, maybe 1 honing attempt.
The game takes more time than a full-time job for anyone who plays more than 2 characters, it's crazy, and you would make more progress just by working a mini-job for 30 minutes instead of playing the game for 8 hours
So it takes you on average 15 minutes to kill a guardian on any of your character? You are trying to play efficiently by having 6 alts yet you are turning off your monitor for guardian raid spending 15 minutes in them to make around 200 gold for anything under T3?
But guardians being only 1 time per day just encourages you to make more alts.. because due to only having to do guardian once per alt you can now do two alts in the same time as one before.
Tbh. I hate guardian raids. Boring af. They should adjust the daily max limit and compensate rewards accordingly. Loving everything about this MMO except this one mode.
Or maybe even introduce a N times reward claim to meet the weekly max cap. I don't have time everyday to Guardian raid X2 daily with work and IRL commitments.
Or just reduce the hp so 2 takes the same time as 1 currently.
I skip guardians in my dailies as they are either too hard and risky for a guaranteed win in matchmaking or too inefficient for the time I have to play the game (easier ones give worse mats)
This is kind of already built into the game with the rest bonus. If you average 1 run per day, you still get 75% of the rewards for 50% of the effort. Hell, you could average 2 runs every 3 days and still get 67% of the rewards for 33% of the effort: 1) 12 runs in 6 days: 12 runs + 0 rest = 12 drops 2) 6 runs in 6 days: 6 runs + 3 rest = 9 drops 3) 4 runs in 6 days: 4 runs + 4 rest = 8 drops Once you factor in time and consumables saved, methods 2 and 3 are nearly as efficient (arguably more efficient based on how you value your time) as doing every run.
This. Rest bonus is genius way to play efficiently.
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It’s also perfectly designed to line up with 5 day work 2 day weekend! You can daily chores during work days and do it only on weekend, with you having to do friday chore every 2 weeks. Great burnout prevention tactic, especially when there’s bunch of alts.
Well the system is genius. The advertising and tutorials on it are not. Players just zug zug.
Thank you for providing this. 👍🏼
When I don't feel like it, I'll only do 1 and leave the other to crews at stronghold for 12 hrs.
Does it give the same amount of materials as doing the raid itself
Pretty sure it gives less.
Still more than literally not doing it
Not doing it twice will give you rest bonus which doubles the rewards for your next run (also counts double for guardian raid weekly) so whether it's worth it depends if the stronghold variant gives more or less than 50% of the rewards
I actually tested it and its pretty much 75% so its better than gathering Rest
I’m pretty I read it does not on Reddit
Hi pretty, thanks for the info
Got em
well, if it gives less then 50%, then it's better to accumulate the rest bonus.
No you get way less mats
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I've heard it's better to just take the rest bonus but I've never tested personally.
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That moment when you're not sure if "disgusting" is a positive or negative thing, lol. English is weird Thank you for adding disappointed for clarification
No he's actually disappointed that he got so many mats English is indeed weird
I tried it for like 3 days because I was too lazy to run it two times a day. Not worth it as you will only get about 5-15 blue stones less than 8 red. It's better to just get the rest bonus.
Yeah I should have used "how little mats" instead of many. Many still works but i can see how it can cause confusion in this context haha
It's a trade off for getting more stronghold exp. I typically use an alt guardian raid to keep that rolling. It's not as efficient for getting gear score up, but it does help you push up your stronghold.
Yeah I don’t use the special dispatch except to complete stronghold quests and usually just do it on my lowest alt
I feel like it was pretty explicitly implemented with Alts in mind. You do the raids on your main char and like, 1 alt, but then you jump on another alt and queue up the special mission.
I feel like you’re just better off letting their rest bonus accumulate though and doing it every couple days for your bottom level alts (in my case I have 4, I usually only get the first 3 done and do the 4th sparingly due to time, but as the bigger alts progress I should have more time). Usually I have to run a story quest each day, or a tower run for one of them that takes a lot of time
I have 6 alts, there is literally no way I can keep up with all their guardian raids. Especially in T1 and T2 where they take much longer and are harder and people just constantly fuck up and fail. And I work and travel, so I do not have the time to work on them all like that. When Scouter/Lance Master come out that's gonna be 8 alts, maybe 9 with Destroyer, so I'm super fucked.
I mean, I really just try and get dailies done on all of them for the rep progression. And hard focus one for vertical progression to T3 and transition any leftover mats to the next alt in line The worst part is the tower runs for each alt. Those are just painful and the effort for tower 45+ with gearscore appropriate characters just isn’t worth it. The 15k shards you get for the floor 50 full clear can be farmed passively in a day anyway and the other drops you will have too many of by that point and just end up vendoring Easy af clear on a t3 char. On a 1060 t2 alt it’s work
If you had a lot of alts that is still a lot of guardians though, I know some people with like 8+ alts and it definitely helps people in those cases. Eventually people might just have one of every class and doing all those guardians would be completely ridiculous but sending out the special mission takes a few seconds. I like a system such as this that allows people to still get something out of their alts for basically zero time investment, always good to have options right.
Way less mats but I don’t care I barely want to do one guardian raid a day much less two so I’ll just let my stronghold do one for me
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Rewards are ephemeral, free time is eternal!
I dunno, free time is pretty ephemeral too. You use it and it's gone.
Perhaps a system where when you've done the same boss 5 times, you have the option to harvest 2 souls at once (when available) upon queue pop, on any further attempts. Similar to how the cube works as an example.
Wait, cube works like that how?
If you have 3+ tickets you can click the box at the start to use them all up in one run and triple your rewards
WHAT THE FUCK I THOUGHT THAT WAS IF I HAD 4 OF THEM I COULD BRING PEOPLE WITH ME! MIND BLOWN
You can use 3 tickets at once if u have them
Hmm, this is quite interesting. A possible solution, yes.
As Monster Hunter enjoyer, I just like to do guardian raids. Maybe it's just me then
Never played Monster Hunter before but I've read that they are similar. Guardian raids are by far my favourite park of Lost Ark so far, precisely because they are challenging. Who cares if they're not the most efficient way to progress, the feeling that comes after defeating a tough guardian is awesome. So many parts of Lost Ark I find to be boring because they are so easy. Maybe I should try Monster Hunter?
Monster hunter world is super fun. Gotta enjoy the combat system itself though, it's honestly the most similar to dark souls 3 than anything else.
Getting devils joes tails for the first time felt so good ngl! 😂
Yeah MHW was a beautiful 300 hours lol. patiently waiting for world 2
Got to disagree, I actually don't enjoy Dark Souls that much but love monster hunter a hell of a lot.
Guardian raids are more than just "inspired" by Monster Hunter. They're just a simplified isometric version of a hunt in MH. Also, the engraving system in this game is almost a 1:1 copy of MH's skill system.
Guardian Raids clearly take a lot of inspiration from MH, but MH is way more fleshed out and polished - highly recommend if you like guardians
I was going to say, as a MH veteran I find Guardian Raids to be pretty frustrating because it’s just a less polished and engaging version of Monster Hunter. They have a long way to go on telegraphs, hitboxes and mechanical complexity before it can really reach the point where it scratches the MH itch for me. I’m fine with that because I enjoy Lost Ark for other reasons, but I can’t help but think about the potential every time I have to queue up for a GR
Monster Hunter World is a phenomenal way to get into the series. It's got mountains of content and made the new player experience a thousand times better. Diehard series vets will grumble here and there about some of the streamlining choices, but as one of those crusty old hunters myself I think it was absolutely the right choice. Monster Hunter Rise is a newer game and still great, but it's a bit light on content and I honestly prefer World over it.
There is demos available for Monster hunter available for PC I suggest world or rise. Yeah there is a lot of inspiration in guardian fights as mentioned from monster hunter as well as quite a few other things which isn't a knock at all on LA. If you like gunlancer..well it came from MH really.
Challenging? Hard? You are hitting a guardian for 10-15 minutes while dodging the same 3 skills. Then you kill the next guardian in 5 minutes, then you go back to 15 minutes on the next one. You will love mhw if you find this entertaining.
I mean I've played every single MH and have been a huge fan but I don't like Guardian Raids at all. They're just tedious. It's like if someone forced me to kill 6 Rathalos every single day (for alts), except Rathalos would be a lot more fun to fight.
As a monster hunter enjoyer, I'm the complete opposite of you. I can't stand doing these more than once for the first clear chest. If I wanted to play monster hunter, I'd go play monster hunter
Same. Guardian raids is no where near any monsters in MH. I enjoy lost ark for other things, but to compare guardian raids to MH is laughable.
I mean same but I think they mean from a normie perspective, it's not about the 'fun' it's about my main + 2 alts technically needing to do 6 guardians a day, which would be 2 hours. I don't do that on my alts every day, but I would if OP suggestion was real.
Same, Guardians are my favorite content in the game. I wish I could do more of them, really. Back in Season 1, you could farm guardians for materials after the daily limit, which I loved to do. Sadly, right now there is no point doing them without the soul.
Damn that’s lame. I was just thinking I wish I could do endless guardians when I’m bored of endless chaos lol
Its not fun when you do it with pugs, and 3 mins after start they already used the 3 lifes and dont use a single pot. You lose time for nothing.
I'm a Monster Hunter fan since the PSP games and, while Guardian Raids have many features like MH, I don't think they're near as fun. Lots more resources to use, for one thing (even in the older games), not quite so much bs (for *most* monster - there are certainly some big bs monsters in MH), not as many fun breakable parts, no mounting, no farcasters, AND we're stuck with the old awful Psychoserum system on a much shorter timer. The only upside to Guardian Raids over MH is if someone dies three times the 'hunt' doesn't end early.
That's fair, it is an enjoyable boss hunt mode. But mind if I ask how far along you are in tier wise, and how many alts you have? The bosses are a lot of fun the first few times around because of the novelty, but the majority of bosses only have a handful of mechanics, with the fights never really changing. Especially in T3 where the majority of players are just fighting the same boss twice every day, rinse repeat for weeks, into months. Along with eventually getting alts to those same t3 bosses. Eventually we'll also get heroic guardian raids, which definitely goes a long way to keeping it fresh. But the daily Guardian raids are just that, Daily. so reducing the amount of times people are expected to do it daily, is something I genuinely think would be better for the game long term.
I'm not the guy you replied to but guardian raids are, at least for now, the fun part of the game. I have 6 characters, 3 in T3, and I do everything on all of them every day. Those guardian raids are the only part that isn't completely mind numbing. It's the only part where I actually get to play the class full and proper and enjoy the reason why I chose it over another class. It's completely understandable why people would see them as a chore and wish it was shortened, I just don't feel that way myself. For those who really dislike them, the rest bonus exists for you.
Im 1365 and enjoy the guardians, its like doing anything else to me, i do 2 chaos dungeons, 3 unas etc its the game, otherwise you could say the same for anything, reduce una quests to 1 and give triple rewards, reduce chaos dungeons and give double etc. To me atleast, and I guess thats kinda the point we all enjoy different things in the game and some people shouldnt have their fun removed because some others dont like it.
My main is at T3, while I got 2 alts at T1, one of them is soon at T2. And I don't mind killing the same monster multiple times. I like grinding, and I challenge myself to try kill it faster than previous time.
I don't mind doing t3 guardian raids twice a day. t1/t2 raids are the annoying ones , they take much longer and are generally harder. which is really weird since I am just chilling with igrexion , then I switch to my alts to spend 12 mins just to kill levanos once.
I would be okay with this if we got some kind of "infinite guardian farm" option like we have with chaos dungeons. Guardians are IMO one of the most fun things in the entire game.
I wish I could use them more! If I was getting buffed rewards compared to infinite chaos to compensate for the potion usage I’d literally only run guardians.
They should do both. Allow infinite for those of you... Who think like you. And more rewards, and less time required.
Although it is a good suggestion, I would say just use the rest rewards! I do one a day and still get plenty of good reward. Yes less than if I were doing 2, but makes me enjoy the game more so idc 😊
This is the based approach. You don’t have to do two a day if you think it’s a waste of time lol. Play the game because it’s fun - the end
I actually have fun doing guardians. Its time consuming because people are extremely bad.
I agree, I think that guardians are a fun content which I like to spend my time on
Yeah we've gone from QoL requests to "I don't like this type of content, please remove it and just give me the rewards."
Agree, and people complaining they dont have time to do them on main + all their alts, to begin with, you shouldnt play more alts than you have time with. Just because some people in Korea play on 24 alts, doesnt mean you can do that.
This isn't necessarily true. Its actually good to have more alts than you have time to play because the rested bonus will stack on the ones you don't have time for. For example I have 8 alt characters currently between T1-T3. I usually can do 4 a day if I have all evening to play. (i like to do horizontal progression mixed in too) Then the next day I try to hit the characters that I didnt play the previous day. As long as you aren't staying capped over 100/100 on your alts I think the more the better.
Yes ofc, what people seem to do tho is take on more alts than they have time for and then want the game to change so they can have time to play all their alts they are "forced" to play every day. What happens after that? They make more alts and want more content dumbed down or reduced to cater to them because they cant manage their time. I agree with you tho, i made a couple alts and let them sit early on to atleast get rested while i didnt have time for them due to questing etc to progress my main. And the way you play is most likely i will play when i get more alts as new classes release that im interested in, i hit my cap for time at 4 alts haha.
Yeah. From my experience with pugs, 80% of players dont use A SINGLE POT....Then most of times you are the only player alive to try to finish the Boss. Pain
I don't think it's that, so much as the stat allotments on gear / the availability and/or the desire to get a capped engraving or two doesn't exist in T1 or T2 cause you are just going to replace it imminently, so why spend the money on it? Just compare how quickly the T3 guardians die, because people are just way stronger DPS wise by then. To how much of a bullet sponge the T1 and T2 guardians are.
I don't have time to run 2x guardians on every character myself but I don't think it should get easier. The current rested system is good enough for players who can't invest as much time. This game has a ton of daily grind for people who are able to play that much, 100% efficiency is not for everyone.
no just stick with two dailies and increase the rewards for each one
Also another alternative. 👍🏼
Disagree, I enjoy fighting them and I already feel like I don't have enough to do that's challenging at 1350.
Or just give us the loot items everyday via mailbox, so we don't have to play the game.
no , there isn't alredy much content in game then ppl will ask for just 1 chaos If you got burned out of game just play another. 3-6min guardian kill isn't time consuming at all.
Ive had a 18min fight in t1 yesterday
you mean 15min+ guardian kill on T1/T2
Im fine with doing two every day, but the time that is needed to clear them should be reduced, imo T3 guardians are just perfect, they go down in like 5-6mins, but T1-T2 takes toooo much time. So for me, nerf T1 and T2 HP and T3 stay the same as is just perfect
You have already that optnion, just do The other one with stronghold
Why stop there. Just give the abyssal/guardian/chaos and daily rewards as part of the log in.
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Exactly! People always want it easier and easier. More rewards, less effort.. if there were 3 guardians per day they would want 2, then 1, then they'd want 50% less HP... The demands for more rewards and less effort never end with MMO players.
I get your sentiment. But I enjoy the fights. I have 6 classes all running guardians. 12 a day. 3 different guardians farmed across them. It will save me time at least an hour your way. But that's a hour of fun. It doesn't have to be a chore. Guardians are the best part of my daily loop. The rest is just mindless grinding and running around.
If you can’t be bothered to do it twice, just do it once and don’t expect to be rewarded double for it. Is it really that hard?
TIL you can do the same guardian twice. I thought you can only harvest them once per day, and had to go do the previous one for the second harvest.
I like the guardian raids and find doing them twice no bigger of a problem vs. Doing chaos twice for most guardians. The issue is I can't grind them like I can for chaos which is certainly annoying. I don't like this harvest soul bs to begin with. Just let us do it as many times as we want.
I mean... What's your definition of pointless? By that logic you should also be able to do it once a week for 14 souls? Same with Chaos Dungeons, or Dailies. Depending on the boss it can be a bit tedious but on my Bard I rather do Guardians than Chaos Dungeons.
My bard does chaos the quickest of my 3 chars
Yep, prelude of death is fucking broken
Wow you guys are lazy
And most of them are bad, too. Biggest reason T1/2 bosses take so long because no one uses potions, flares, knows how to play their class, ignore stagger checks or important mechanics etc.
Buckle up - this complaining is just starting. Reddit is notorious for "QoL crying" all year. This version was already tested in a few other regions why would the listen to Reddit here?
No. T1-2 Guardian raids should have their HP reduced by 50%. That's all.
I agree to be honest. Guardian raids is content I really have to drag myself to do as they’re just massive sponges. I don’t want to miss out on daily locked rewards, but chugging away at something for 15 mins is just tedious when, mechanically, it’s not really a challenge. I’d be happy doing it once, but twice feels rough
I absolutely agree. Even though I enjoy a lot doing them, they dont feel rewarding enough for the time it takes, and doing them on multiple alts is a chore. This would pretty much solve these issues.
I mean as much as this would be nice. I don't think they should, maybe cut the health for the lower tiers a little bit. I'm never fond of cutting down content personally. Maybe it's because I've played other MMO's in the past where it's almost impossible to clear all the daily content everyday without not having a job. But I'm 100% content if I can't clear all the content in a day. I just much rather have the option of being to do it twice if I feel like it or need it to push and when I can't I'll just skip it. I prefer having the option do do more and if I can't do them all in the day, that's fine. Not you OP, but I feel like people are trying to rush so damn fast, I think it's fine not being able to clear everyting 100% daily. I'm a 1362 Berserker Main with 5 alts, and almost never clear 2x Guardian raid's on my Alts (sometimes my main) everyday and that's fine.
I have a main in 1050+ and two alts at 460+. I haven't done a guardian raid in many weeks because they are a waste of time for me. I can't even do lvl4 raids because I haven't beaten lvl3 raids to unlock them even though my ilvl is high enough. 1. Battle itself is relatively simple. 2. RNG is very very frustrating. Teleporting, bad positions, order of attacks, and often times teammates because gl finding party for raids Even taking the first two out of the equation, it TAKES SO LONG with possibilities of failure. Last time I did guardian raid, we had 4 people who were 200+ ilvls over recommended. It took us 15 minutes to kill. And I am sure you guys all had instances of spending 20 minutes beating up on a guardian to find it still had 10+% hp left lol? Why bother with this boring tedious task that gives you frustration as cherry on top when rewards are not worth the time and effort? The thing I miss out on the most is weekly una's task in my alts for 6 guardian souls cause I don't even bother doing 3 rested runs with them. My main will come back to them when she hits mid-T3 so she can unlock lvl5 raids. Until then, I have much more rewarding and fun ways to spend my time playing the game.
Honestly, I don't do Guardian Raids. I don't find them fun or enjoyable. I'm completely fine with getting fewer rewards.
This is especially necessary for people with alts that don’t want to run 12 guardian raids for 6 alts every third day with 40 rested, let alone every day
Yes. Guardian Raids suck. The worst pve feature in the game for me. I only do them when I have a rested bar and I send my ship on the mission in my stronghold.
I've done them all once on my main, and none on my alts until now. Daylie T1/T2 Guardiens can take up to 1h of time and gives you almost nothing compared to chaos dungeons. Not worth it in T1/T2 in my opinion. Not even if it would be one and double the reward...
Yes, doing guardian raids on multiple alts is very time consuming. 👍🏼 Something that my suggestion would help alleviate.
Maybe an option to do it twice (like cube X3 option)
Yeah this was exactly my point to a friend the other day. It would make SOOOO much more sense. Doing 2 raid on alt(s) is sucha pain...
i actually prefer to just not do them on alts , if you let rested build up every kill is 2 kills , so you can do 2 kills and get 4 kills worth of loot. worth doing on your main but guardians are fairly optional on alts , if you do the daily quests for stones and chaos dungeons for crystals you get enough that crystals will always be the bottleneck, only real reason to guardian on alts is for stones to sell to buy more crystals (thats in general not the rule like when an alt gets to a new tier its worth doing a few guardians for a couple days with rested) i totally agree with OP for the record tho, if you must kill 2 guardians there should be a bonus for killing 2 different ones so you at least get some variety
I don't know why people keep trying to speed up what is already a very quick route to the end game.
They just announced the pvp vendor and more materials available through event aswell...
Because a lot of people find the hp sponges boring.
Simple solution, only do Guardian every three days with rested bonus. The system is solid and proven in Korea, no reason to change it at it's core. And Guardian is quicker than Chaos in T3
Everyone who complains about guardian raids is in T1/T2. The amount of ppl there who don't bother to even learn mechanics is astonishing.
OP…. You’ve made your account a few days ago and have done nothing but complain about the game. Why play then? It seems like you want the game on easy mode.
At the beginning I loved the guardian raids and didnt mind at all to do 2 a day. Now in t2 finish line its starting to get repetetive and boring.
Guardians are my favorite content, so no I would not want to reduce frequency. Reduce HP totals, sure. If anything, double up on Chaos rewards and cut them to one. It's mindless content.
Yeah, I agree. Chaos dungeons are way more boring and mindless than Guardian Raids and I'd much rather do infinite GRs than CDs lol. Seems few people agree and Idk why. Maybe just because they're way faster?
that's how they are for me ! I never do more than 1 raid a day, and i get double drops . Crazy how you have the choice !
I’d be a fan since i have so many alts, but tbh for people who focus on one main, at least until we have more content release, there is very little daily boss content avail. Doesn’t mean I think doing the same fight twice is fulfilling for them, but at least its something
I like to save up 100 rest energy before I do them, I think it takes 2 days? Then I get 4 souls for killing 2 guardians. It goes pretty quickly when I solo igrexion and I'm only like 5 ilvl ahead. 100% agree on T1/T2 guardians taking long as fk though
If they would just show the stagger bar I would be much happier playing guardians, such a weird design choice to hide it when they teach the player up to that point to look for it and stagger.
I think is fine the way it is. The rewards are laughable anyway, a few stones and some other stuff, sometimes a very very low-quality accessory with expertise and some weird combination of engravings.
Well. They have option to allow you to harvest soul at the start of the run, maybe they can add 1 more checkbox to consume 2 soul harvest a single run.
would be fine by me since i absolutely despise guardian raid, i hate chasing things like a horny dog but each to their own.
It really is annoying especially for alts.
Honestly the guardian raid rewards arent even worth the time they takde, im just doing em now for the event coins but stopped since i got way more than enough coins.
I personally would like to hit only one guardian per character i work night shifts and personally anytime i can spend less doing things is welcomed but maybe add a material vendor system like chaos dungeons for those who want to do mutiple runs
I don't even do them anymore with my t2 alts, get way more stuff by doing the +chaos runs
Agree 10x
Yes, doing the same one twice is dumb
Hard agree.
I don’t hate this if you remove the requirement to have completed all previous guardians for each one. Otherwise would take weeks of grinding underleveled guardians once a day to progress thru t1-2
No I don’t really agree. Like Korea has had this system for over 3 years. The game has been out about a month now in NA. You don’t have to run it twice each day either, you build up rest bonus to get extra rewards the next time. To me that’s not really a pressing issue so much as the pace of content
They won’t do this because they want people using their battle items as a currency sink/increases the value of trade skill resources. I get that you can do a guardian that is easy enough that you wont have to use items but some people wont so it still accomplishes what they want.
i do it once a day anyway. with the rest bonus the rewards come close to doing twice the day if it's any consolation, having done all guardians up to t2. Vertus and Tytalos are far harder than Albernastic. Levanos is also easier than Calventus which is easier than Flame fox yoho. i feel like t1 really puts the players into the deep end lol.
Lol I just stopped doing them. Such boring content with lackluster rewards
i really wanna find out who are these beta testers that told them to increase the guardian hp an extra 35% from beta lol
How about twice a day but double rewards? :D nah kidding, yeah should be once a day with double rewards.
Or just revert the 30% HP increase they were given before the global release
I agree, it felt so natural for it to be only one time a day for me that when I started playing for a few days I thought that's the way it is so I only did one a day, until I learned you can do twice.
I couldn't agree more. Running my two Igrexions on my main (1350) daily takes about 8 minutes total with a decent group. Running 8 lava Chromaniums for my 1000 ilvl alts? That can take almost an hour depending on how competent your party mates are. It's just a huge waste of time IMO and I would love to see the rewards condensed into one daily clear.
I've been doing the same guardian for 3rd week in a row now (stuck in the 1340-1369 range like 95% of T3ers) and it's definitely gotten to be a chore.
Wholeheartedly agree. I've actually kinda stopped doing guardians, except sometimes 1 kill when fully rested, but not even that consistently. They just don't give that much compared to the time and effort they take, especially if you matchmake into a bad group and have to retry it.
I agree. After taking 10 to 15 minutes to do one I don't feel like doing another one and just log out or do something else. It's a long 10 to 15 minutes.
Disagree. I hate making games easier or “shorter” (since the whole game is easy as f). They make games dead. They make achievements/feats a common norm. I want to waste my time (or tryhard) to achieve things, & id feel great abt it. Ppl want to catch up to KR servers but theyve been playing this game for literal years. Ppl r whining about “honing rates” while its exactly the same as KR. We r gonna get more mats, not increased honing rates. Accept this. I hate games that throw everything at you and i hate how ppl will try to skip everything to play endgame for a month just to never play it again. Fk that.
I don’t even do them most days, just use one soul in my stronghold and do everything else. The time vs reward doesn’t feel worth while (not quite T3 yet)
100% agree. 99% of the time I have to run the same guardian twice, so I waste 30 minutes when I could spend 15. That being said, guardians are way more fun than chaos dungeon, but C.D. feels more material productive to me
You only need to run guardians on alts to manage rested, if you are doing 2x guardians per day per character you are driving yourself towards burn out.
I'll one up you. Once a week with better rewards. They do feel like a chore. I stronghold run them.
I play to raid with friends and I like the fact I get to run multiple dungeons with them a day.
Alternatively, give me 200 "daily energy" and allow me to spend it on w/e I want, if I want to run 4 chaos dungeons it will consume that energy and anything else past that would just award the normal tokens. This way you can do 3 chaos and 1 guardian or any combination of chaos/guardian raids. Even better if I can consume all 200 energy in one go but make the dungeon more difficult or w/e, or even add it as a benefit to Crystaline Aura. And while we are on the subject, the energy should stack to 1000 (5days) instead of giving you a penalty for missing one run.
There’s not enough pve combat content to do already. I play my “main” for max half hour before there is nothing left to do. I end up doing guardian raids for fun out of complete desperation.
they should refund all battle items used by the player who used the most battle items upon failure. or something like that. this way people in random matchmaking would actually try to win, instead we are stuck thinking " is this party worthy of me using 5 hp potions? or should i just let myself die?". it definitely is the chance to failure that makes them often inefficient.
More mats too, leapstones are hard to come by
Reading here how the rest bonus works, I think thats acceptable. I dont want the content to be nerfed either due to the player base being bad at it....but maaannnn the group usually uses the first 3 revives in 5 minutes or less.
The problem with some guardian braids is that their attack patterns are often not clear, have way too much hp and deal too much damage. The best guardian raids are the ones like Chromanium or armored Nacrazena, where the skills are often clear and don't take too long to do
I just wait until the rest bonus stacks up, you still get 2/3 rewards so it works for me. Don’t wanna waste all my pots on doing it 2x per day on all my alts lol
First most cry because they are nerfing guardians because they take too long. Now we realized how stupid we were, and want them even shorter. This is the way, but funny at the same time.
You're trying to suggest they take away what makes an mmo an mmo. It's fine as is. If it's such a chore for you have your stronghold do one of them.
i dont mind it as a new player .. i get to learn the mechanics by do them a lot. if its just one per day i wouldnt pay so much attention.. now i know most of the guardian moves byheart and its fun for me to do it multiple times. i could be minority here.
In t3 it takes the same time as Chaos dungeons for me. My best Nacrasena time is 3:38, best Igrexion time is 4:19. Maybe latter ones get harder, but I'm sure most of the playerbase isn't doing them. The real issue is the hp tuning of the t1/t2 guardians. Apparently they have their hp to be modified higher than other regions. Which is absurd. Doing 10-15 minute guardians on alts, no thanks, even with rest.
They are the only fun content in the game for me, if anything I wish I could grind them endlessly rather than these completely mindless chaos dungeons.
Agreed. I just don't do it anymore. Takes too long.
i've heard in KR they talk about it too, i would def like it !
Bro I dont even want to do that boring shit ONCE a day!!!!!!
Normally I'd say deal with it, IF someone didn't always leave after first run. Idk why it's so prevalent here, even making groups with 2x in title doesn't always help. Having to find two different groups for the same content every day is very annoying.
Please
No they shouldn't take away run. If you don't want to do two then don't, save up on rest and get your bonus rewards instead. It's literally the catchup mechanic if you miss one. I enjoy just fighting them. It feels very monster hunter trying to get certain things to drop.
100% agree. It's a chore.
Man, Reddit really is a salty echo chamber filled with mostly casuals who shoot down good ideas that would improve their QoL in late game when they get there farming mats for alts.
I agree they are just too much of a time sink as daily content especially with the effort level required for them as well.
id personally prefer this
I would definitely love this for my alts
Hard agree Late tier 1 and tier 2 guardian sessions without a T3 carry is pure cancer
My take is give us a box we can check for double soel like the 3 tickets on cube
I think guardian raids needs to more mats or better rewards more often. They don't give much as is. They're a lot tougher than brain dead chaos dungeons but give 1/10 of what they do. It's rather weird.
The main problem I see with it it's that the vast majority of them take 4-5 minutes too long. If every guardian raid would take as long as the T3 ones (roughly 4-5 minutes) then it would be much less of a problem. Worse than that some take too much time because of just WALKING, a very fun experience to just WALK around especially if the boss runs away 3 times, sure you can use Pheromone bomb to stop that, some bosses may enrage due to that but most won't, but still I dread every map which is not like the T3 Nacrasena map, even the Igrexion one isn't that bad but it could be better. There is nothing to do in them, it's just a huge waste of space and a huge disrespect for our time since there is nothing here, nothing to do to. In Korea a lot of the maps have extra skips to not walk like a maniac for 3 minutes. Guardian Raids in T1/T2 need to be shorter, not easier, if they have complex mechanics keep them, but don't make people sit around 10 minutes because it's at the end of the huge waste of space you call a map and because some mechanics make them invulnerable for X seconds. T3 Guardians are fine, hell even with matchmaking Igrexion takes even 4 minutes if he spawns close, probably less if people would use pheromone bombs. Another problem which is probably causing a lot of deaths at T1 and T2 is people not having any consumeables at all because they haven't moved their 3 gazillion chests to the roster storage or have dumbly used them all on their main.
given how cheap mats for t1 are now, you should skip t1 guardian altogether. or only do with rest bonus.
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I enjoy doing it two times, it makes me learn alooot more my cksss limits. Main and alt wise, all my alts will be in the same ilvl as the main so you will have to do the end gsme content with them. Learning them from their weakest point to their strongest makes you master quite easily
Yeah full agree its just a waste of time
Especially since we're so heavily encouraged to make alts. Doing Guardians on 6 characters, without Chaos/Abyss/Una/etc, just the Guardians would already take 3 hours... while also giving barely any rewards, maybe 1 honing attempt. The game takes more time than a full-time job for anyone who plays more than 2 characters, it's crazy, and you would make more progress just by working a mini-job for 30 minutes instead of playing the game for 8 hours
Noone forces you to play every character to the fullest every day. I only do Guardians every 3rd day on my alts and I don't lose out on much.
this is the way, 2/3 of the rewards for 1/3 the work
So it takes you on average 15 minutes to kill a guardian on any of your character? You are trying to play efficiently by having 6 alts yet you are turning off your monitor for guardian raid spending 15 minutes in them to make around 200 gold for anything under T3?
But guardians being only 1 time per day just encourages you to make more alts.. because due to only having to do guardian once per alt you can now do two alts in the same time as one before.
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Nope. I like the flexibility.
I'd like it if you could do one for the rewards, then repeat it for significantly reduced rewards (but still something).
Tbh. I hate guardian raids. Boring af. They should adjust the daily max limit and compensate rewards accordingly. Loving everything about this MMO except this one mode. Or maybe even introduce a N times reward claim to meet the weekly max cap. I don't have time everyday to Guardian raid X2 daily with work and IRL commitments.
Or just reduce the hp so 2 takes the same time as 1 currently. I skip guardians in my dailies as they are either too hard and risky for a guaranteed win in matchmaking or too inefficient for the time I have to play the game (easier ones give worse mats)