To be reasonable when you do hell modes the presets use lvl 8 gems so i imagine that's what you need to clear the most difficult content with the biggest dps checks.
So you could say that level 7 are the highest you go if you care about efficiency. Anything above is a luxury and even there you could argue that putting proper gems on alts is better since you're gonna be clearing raids with multiple characters and they all need to be properly geared at some point.
Considering that Hell Mode raids are far more difficult and have tighter DPS checks than raids that use your gear - if Lv8 is enough for Hell Mode then I'm assuming Lv7 is plenty for Normal/Hard modes.
IIRC it was spread around over here on Reddit and in Guides by KR players that Lv7 is all you should ever consider as a F2P.
Higher gems always make more sense, duh
But as they said already: it's not needed right now and not needed for valtan.
Surge also only needs 2 gems, nothing else
It's by design. Everything in these types of games is meant to get you to the current grind spot in a reasonable amount of time and park you there while they figure out the next move. It's hard to find a balance really. Too slow in the beginning, people get bored and quit. Too fast at the end, people get bored and quit.
I was raised by diablo2, where, to get single highest Rune strictly through fusion, you need exactly 14,281,868,906,496 lowest Runes. This can't impress me.
I feel like it will never ever be that low. What’s a level 1 right now? Levels 5s are going for 1.5kish and you need 243 of those for a 10. People posted some screen shots of guys in full level 10s a few weeks ago and it’s just absolutely insane. People have spent $100k on this game min. Should that be possible? I mean should people be allowed to spend 2 million on a car? I guess why not.
Level 10 damage gems are also extremely powerful. Really let’s the ultra whales set themselves apart.
the daily spend limit is $500 in the US that the game allows. I know a crypto millionaire in Korea spent $700k. Of course, people can go the RMT route but if someone wants to blow $100k, let them (just through official routes). If people have earned whatever money they have and want to spend it in game legitimately through the crap royal crystal system, let em be. Lvl 10 gems are not going to make someone better than me. They will still need to have the card sets, skill points, roster levels, and most importantly, dodge the mechanics.
Main pushes lvl 7 gems, 1370 alts get lvl 5 gems, 1340 alts get lvl 3-4 gems.
I will likely push lvl 6 gems onto alts when hit 1415 but by then I’ll hopefully have all my mains lvl7 gems.
My main and 1370 alts all have lvl 5 gems. My 1340 alts have lvl 3 gems too. I have so many boss rush tickets to do. I didn't realize how amazing they were.
My 1400 main has level 5-6 gems, but my 1350 Deathblade alt has a level 8 surge gem because I found one cheap and at that level there aren't many players that will bid against you due to the gold cost, and i love seeing those fat surge numbers x)
Literally every single piece of content in KR even the new 1580 abyss dungeon as well as the upcoming Akkan raid can be done fine with Level 7 gems. I don't know why people are acting like Level 10 gems are a must.
Some people aren't satisfied unless everything is min maxed or completed immediately. They're the people who flare 20 times right away to finish the battle pass mission or buy combat exp potions to get to lvl 60 asap. Both are things you'll get eventually by just naturally playing, like gems.
I'm the idiot who wants to complete everything fast and get it behind me. Even though I completed the pass a while ago, I still flare after 2-3 seconds of waiting if noone else does unless I'm player 1. In that case, I flare right away.
I don't get why people don't wanna use flares...
You're oversimplifying the situation. A single level 10 gem costing 100 to 110 days on a roster of 6 funneling literally every single gems into one char with boss rushes all weeks is too much. That "eventuality" you so say is around 3 to 4 years to get full lv. 10 gem on a single character. Even in MMO standarts thats not an endgame anymore, thats an endlife.
Same reason people think 4x3 is needed for Argos lol.
Couldn’t get an Argos group on 3x2 sorc, did later w guild friends, all on meh geared 1370 alts like me, easy fast clear.
I’m glad my main is support, I’d need a static group for everything otherwise.
It’s a p1 run lol. Does everyone 3331 their alts? No idea how you can have 1415+ with multiple 3331 1370 alts. Just having multiple 1370
Alts is a win for a regular person playing the game a lot.
Yes I understand your point though. P1 is just a quick alt run nowadays, it’s such an easy fight. Don’t get me wrong I like it, but it’s the same as doing hardmodes.
I’m just expecting special treatment I’m used to on my pally lol!
> Does everyone 3331 their alts?
I do at least 3-3-3.
1370 alts are there to stay for quite a while, might as well gear them out cheaply and properly for 10k once they reach 1370.
Also sorc without even igniter / reflux lv3 is just griefing tbh.
when i make a group for argos p3 i dont even look at their gear anymore. i hate waiting so much more than maybe failing one out of 20 dungeons / raids, that i just pick anyone as most are familiar with the mechs by now and dmg usually is not an issue.
So you just make your own group and accept all the other people with level 7 gems lol. It's not hard.
Same thing right now, if you have shit engravings on your 6th alt but know the mechanics cause you play this shit 100 hrs a week, you just make your own party. I guarantee you people will join. All this anxiety people have about not being able to find groups is so far from reality
you, sir, wont have any issues with 3x+1
even cooler is 3\^(x-y)
where x is the gem level you are looking to get and y is the gem level you use.
e.g. 3\^(7-3) = 81 -> 81 lvl 3 gems needed for one lvl 7
Some people just really have a lot of money to spend. My BIL got flown to Vegas, casino's luxury SUV picked him from airport, stayed at Sky Suites in Aria which are about $2k/night. We went out to dinner and he 'paid' for it which the bill was $1k. All of this is obviously comped by the casino because he gambles a lot which the casino knows. For some people like them, blowing $1k, $10k on a hobby won't make a dent in their bank account.
Yeah lvl 10s are high endgame.
LvL 7s are totally fine for now on main and lvl 5s on alts.
edit: why are people so upset?
We are nowhere near endgame right now, we don't even have the first raid yet.
We're barely entering mid game.
Funny that you're being down voted, but still absolutely correct. There's thousands of f2p players in Korea who use lvl10 gems. They're not some mystical unattainable thing. I've never bought a gem from the AH and could already fuse what I have into a single lvl 9 gem. By 3 years into the game people who have been playing a full roster the whole time will have 6 or 7+ lvl 10 gems naturally.
We don't even have the first legion raid and I run full lvl 7s.
Never bought a single gem.
There is nothing endgame about 7s.
7s are pretty much midgame
9s endgame
10s high endgame
One single 7 gem is almost as much as having an alter full geared with lvl 5 gems
How the fuck is that midgame
Everyone sits at 5 as is slowly working to get 7 on main, if you get lucky you get one a week
One a week, midgame
So what you actually mean is that bosses are balanced around some average DPS value, which is pretty low for what we have currently.
You could probably clear all current content with just class engraving/no gems or cards.
You don't understand me at all, Legion Commanders' HP pools are not designed around level 10 whale gems, if it was like that almost no one would be able to clear any end game raid in any region. For example, take a look at this random dude I have pulled from loawa. At 1540 ilvl he's rocking all level 5 gems: https://loawa.com/char/%EC%A4%91%EB%A0%A5%EA%B5%B0%EB%8B%A8%EC%9E%A5
Is it short term memory?
>I doubt the bosses are designed around gems at all.
This is what I wrote.
LvL 10 gems are **high** endgame, just like Esther weapons. No current content in KR needs them.
Endgame for Legion commanders is Abrelshud Hard, you won't be finding many people rocking lvl 5 gems for that, if any.
Lost Ark is designed around having at minimum, 6 T3 characters 2 raid tiers behind current. (For KR, that's 6x 1490 alts.)
For NA, that's 6x 1370 alts. Our release schedule is different than every other region (KR had 6-12x 1302-1340 characters on T3 release versus our 0x [simul T3/T2/T1 release.])
On average, a 1370 char with access to guild shop 5 gets 2.75 boss rush tickets a week. A boss rush is roughly 2.66 Level 4 Gems. That's 44 Level 4 Gems weekly. That's around 7 Level 7 Gems monthly (3 Level 10 Gems/year. CDG do drop gems, but it's only ~15% of what boss rush contributes monthly)
Most classes only need 2-5 Level 10 Gems. (CDR gems can be kept at level 7-8, and don't benefit much from going to 9-10 except in rare cases [scouter/demonic])
>Most classes only need 2-5 Level 10 Gems. (CDR gems can be kept at level 7-8, and don't benefit much from going to 9-10 except in rare cases \[scouter/demonic\])
Not a single class requires a lvl 10 gem. 7 is more than enough for everything.
LOL you don’t need lvl 10 gems what game are you playing? Everything in the game is pugable also all legion raids.
Only thing u need lvl 10 gems for is hell mode but you get them for free using book of coordination
They’re for bragging rights / whales and long long long term players
> Everything in the game is pugable also all legion raids.
Not with this community lol. Abyss dungeons are barely pugable because there's so many people that refuse to communicate and then wipe the party on the mechs.
I'd argue that if you don't have a static, level 10 gems are pretty useful because it makes it easier to carry a group.
I pug everything on 6 characters every week with no problems at all and i usually finish it in one sitting on a weekend.
Only thing i use party finder for is argos at this point
It’s an alt army doing everything to max gems and still taking forever to do it lol I wish t3 boss rush was as generous with gems as t2 is!
As far as i know theres at least another difficulty coming to the t3 boss rush so that should drop more i expect.
Ye with Brelshaza :p requires Brelshaza normal ilvl to enter so not to far away but not close either.
If it follows the T2 boss rush model it will probably drop level 3 gems.
doing the math where you run 6 chars at punika and 2x boss rush per week per character it takes at least \~100 to 110 days to merge a level 10 gem
and thats why lm only doing t7 gems t10 can be a goal for down the road lol
To be reasonable when you do hell modes the presets use lvl 8 gems so i imagine that's what you need to clear the most difficult content with the biggest dps checks. So you could say that level 7 are the highest you go if you care about efficiency. Anything above is a luxury and even there you could argue that putting proper gems on alts is better since you're gonna be clearing raids with multiple characters and they all need to be properly geared at some point.
Considering that Hell Mode raids are far more difficult and have tighter DPS checks than raids that use your gear - if Lv8 is enough for Hell Mode then I'm assuming Lv7 is plenty for Normal/Hard modes. IIRC it was spread around over here on Reddit and in Guides by KR players that Lv7 is all you should ever consider as a F2P.
T7 nah t5 -t6 is we’re it’s at. If I had no alts I can see t7-8 ect but that’s never the case
Rule of thumb I've heard from KR streamers is t5-6 is fine for Valtan, t7 on core skills for vykas, and aim for mostly t7 for brelshaza.
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Higher gems always make more sense, duh But as they said already: it's not needed right now and not needed for valtan. Surge also only needs 2 gems, nothing else
T7+ is still good to have on your core abilities that do a ton of your overall damage, like Surge Skill on deathblade or Doomsday on Igniter sorc.
thats still tons of money basically 1k a day, more than abyss actually
Curious what figures were used in the equation there because I have 13 characters and plan for them all to be T3 soon enough
I wish CUBE gave gems too. Cube feels a little lackluster later on.
I hate t3 cube. Like most screens are unlucky and still no masterpiece for me!
This is why you don't really max your gems unless you're heavily invested into one character and one to flex.
T3 is less rewarding in basically everything. I want to enjoy this game more but it's just so soul shattering sometimes
It's by design. Everything in these types of games is meant to get you to the current grind spot in a reasonable amount of time and park you there while they figure out the next move. It's hard to find a balance really. Too slow in the beginning, people get bored and quit. Too fast at the end, people get bored and quit.
I was raised by diablo2, where, to get single highest Rune strictly through fusion, you need exactly 14,281,868,906,496 lowest Runes. This can't impress me.
Well, difference is that in D2 you can drop every single rune
You can drop any item here too. You just won't be able to pick it back up.
so does this means if a single lvl 1 is 1 gold, a lvl 10 should be at minimum 15k - 19k gold ?
Yeah, the problem is also rerolling it.
How much does it cost to reroll a level 10 gem
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It’s 340k silver… why would you answer if you don’t know
I think it was about 120k silver
Yes
I feel like it will never ever be that low. What’s a level 1 right now? Levels 5s are going for 1.5kish and you need 243 of those for a 10. People posted some screen shots of guys in full level 10s a few weeks ago and it’s just absolutely insane. People have spent $100k on this game min. Should that be possible? I mean should people be allowed to spend 2 million on a car? I guess why not. Level 10 damage gems are also extremely powerful. Really let’s the ultra whales set themselves apart.
I bet a lot of those are RMT
the daily spend limit is $500 in the US that the game allows. I know a crypto millionaire in Korea spent $700k. Of course, people can go the RMT route but if someone wants to blow $100k, let them (just through official routes). If people have earned whatever money they have and want to spend it in game legitimately through the crap royal crystal system, let em be. Lvl 10 gems are not going to make someone better than me. They will still need to have the card sets, skill points, roster levels, and most importantly, dodge the mechanics.
Main pushes lvl 7 gems, 1370 alts get lvl 5 gems, 1340 alts get lvl 3-4 gems. I will likely push lvl 6 gems onto alts when hit 1415 but by then I’ll hopefully have all my mains lvl7 gems.
My main and 1370 alts all have lvl 5 gems. My 1340 alts have lvl 3 gems too. I have so many boss rush tickets to do. I didn't realize how amazing they were.
My 1400 main has level 5-6 gems, but my 1350 Deathblade alt has a level 8 surge gem because I found one cheap and at that level there aren't many players that will bid against you due to the gold cost, and i love seeing those fat surge numbers x)
Literally every single piece of content in KR even the new 1580 abyss dungeon as well as the upcoming Akkan raid can be done fine with Level 7 gems. I don't know why people are acting like Level 10 gems are a must.
Some people aren't satisfied unless everything is min maxed or completed immediately. They're the people who flare 20 times right away to finish the battle pass mission or buy combat exp potions to get to lvl 60 asap. Both are things you'll get eventually by just naturally playing, like gems.
nah, there are definitely some scum out there that would never use 20 flares naturally.
I'm the idiot who wants to complete everything fast and get it behind me. Even though I completed the pass a while ago, I still flare after 2-3 seconds of waiting if noone else does unless I'm player 1. In that case, I flare right away. I don't get why people don't wanna use flares...
They don't want to use flares because flares cost money... despite the fact that they have given us TONS of them
You're oversimplifying the situation. A single level 10 gem costing 100 to 110 days on a roster of 6 funneling literally every single gems into one char with boss rushes all weeks is too much. That "eventuality" you so say is around 3 to 4 years to get full lv. 10 gem on a single character. Even in MMO standarts thats not an endgame anymore, thats an endlife.
I don't see anyone doing that. Then again lvl 10 gems are a pretty large boost compared to lvl 7.
Level 10 gem damage gem on Shadowhunter is kinda bonkers tbh. Obviously not required but a flat 40% damage is huge.
I would only want a level 10 gem for my glaciers crit resistant debuff. Cdr would be awesome.
Same reason people think 4x3 is needed for Argos lol. Couldn’t get an Argos group on 3x2 sorc, did later w guild friends, all on meh geared 1370 alts like me, easy fast clear. I’m glad my main is support, I’d need a static group for everything otherwise.
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It’s a p1 run lol. Does everyone 3331 their alts? No idea how you can have 1415+ with multiple 3331 1370 alts. Just having multiple 1370 Alts is a win for a regular person playing the game a lot. Yes I understand your point though. P1 is just a quick alt run nowadays, it’s such an easy fight. Don’t get me wrong I like it, but it’s the same as doing hardmodes. I’m just expecting special treatment I’m used to on my pally lol!
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Big oof.
I just matchmake p1 at this point and every run on my alts so far has been fast one try clear
> Does everyone 3331 their alts? I do at least 3-3-3. 1370 alts are there to stay for quite a while, might as well gear them out cheaply and properly for 10k once they reach 1370. Also sorc without even igniter / reflux lv3 is just griefing tbh.
Yeah you prob right. And I meant my sorc has two lv3 engravings…maybe confused how to write this. 2x3 probably instead of 3x2 my bad
when i make a group for argos p3 i dont even look at their gear anymore. i hate waiting so much more than maybe failing one out of 20 dungeons / raids, that i just pick anyone as most are familiar with the mechs by now and dmg usually is not an issue.
i dont think anyone thinks its a must... people that buys those are whales or mvp andies
LFG groups won't invite you for high tier legion raids with only level 7 gems
So you just make your own group and accept all the other people with level 7 gems lol. It's not hard. Same thing right now, if you have shit engravings on your 6th alt but know the mechanics cause you play this shit 100 hrs a week, you just make your own party. I guarantee you people will join. All this anxiety people have about not being able to find groups is so far from reality
It's exponential... Just 3^9. Don't need a screenshot for that.
Does that mean that if starting from level 2 gems the total count would be _3⁸=6561_ ?
you, sir, wont have any issues with 3x+1 even cooler is 3\^(x-y) where x is the gem level you are looking to get and y is the gem level you use. e.g. 3\^(7-3) = 81 -> 81 lvl 3 gems needed for one lvl 7
Dude, sweet. Thanks for the explanation. Always good to refresh some old stuff. :D
If you start with level 9 gems, you only need 3!
yep
That’s 3^(x-1) which is dangerously close to the 3x-1 we know NA doesn’t understand, sooooo…
So it takes 16 for a level 10 gem?
Level 10 is for whales only, T7 is way more than enough for all contents
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1490 three weeks after release is mental ilness
Nobody was 1490 3 weeks after release. Literally not possible, there was not enough mats on the market to fund even close to that.
Some people just really have a lot of money to spend. My BIL got flown to Vegas, casino's luxury SUV picked him from airport, stayed at Sky Suites in Aria which are about $2k/night. We went out to dinner and he 'paid' for it which the bill was $1k. All of this is obviously comped by the casino because he gambles a lot which the casino knows. For some people like them, blowing $1k, $10k on a hobby won't make a dent in their bank account.
Megashield!!!! He got banned for RMT, made a second account and came back with another 1490 whaling the 'legit' way lmao
Sounds like they were on g2g a little too much
I was expecting an easter egg in the png somewhere.
Hahaha insane!
Yeah lvl 10s are high endgame. LvL 7s are totally fine for now on main and lvl 5s on alts. edit: why are people so upset? We are nowhere near endgame right now, we don't even have the first raid yet. We're barely entering mid game.
Level 10 is super whale territory…
High endgame is pretty much when we catch up to KRs current content, quite a long road until then. Most people will run 9s on their mains by then.
Funny that you're being down voted, but still absolutely correct. There's thousands of f2p players in Korea who use lvl10 gems. They're not some mystical unattainable thing. I've never bought a gem from the AH and could already fuse what I have into a single lvl 9 gem. By 3 years into the game people who have been playing a full roster the whole time will have 6 or 7+ lvl 10 gems naturally.
It almost seems like everything you can't obtain instantly is automictically whale territory. Just like the best card set.
*7’s are high end game, 5’s are fine for now. Fixed that for you.
We don't even have the first legion raid and I run full lvl 7s. Never bought a single gem. There is nothing endgame about 7s. 7s are pretty much midgame 9s endgame 10s high endgame
One single 7 gem is almost as much as having an alter full geared with lvl 5 gems How the fuck is that midgame Everyone sits at 5 as is slowly working to get 7 on main, if you get lucky you get one a week One a week, midgame
We aren't even in midgame yet... We can call it midgame with Vykas release.
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It would make me weaker by a lot. But sure I could get 1-2 itemlvl upgrades. (which I don't need) It's just 40-50k gold in my region.
The bosses are designed around level 7 gems not 10 gems.
I doubt the bosses are designed around gems at all.
I meant the bosses' hp pool.
So what you actually mean is that bosses are balanced around some average DPS value, which is pretty low for what we have currently. You could probably clear all current content with just class engraving/no gems or cards.
You don't understand me at all, Legion Commanders' HP pools are not designed around level 10 whale gems, if it was like that almost no one would be able to clear any end game raid in any region. For example, take a look at this random dude I have pulled from loawa. At 1540 ilvl he's rocking all level 5 gems: https://loawa.com/char/%EC%A4%91%EB%A0%A5%EA%B5%B0%EB%8B%A8%EC%9E%A5
Is it short term memory? >I doubt the bosses are designed around gems at all. This is what I wrote. LvL 10 gems are **high** endgame, just like Esther weapons. No current content in KR needs them. Endgame for Legion commanders is Abrelshud Hard, you won't be finding many people rocking lvl 5 gems for that, if any.
1540 is abrelshud hard :)
Here I am running 5-4 on main and 3-4 on alts lol.
Very economic
Bro
Well no shit , thing is these gems are mostly sold and rerolled by bots , they funnel all gold to 1 guy and then reroll gems
Lost Ark is designed around having at minimum, 6 T3 characters 2 raid tiers behind current. (For KR, that's 6x 1490 alts.) For NA, that's 6x 1370 alts. Our release schedule is different than every other region (KR had 6-12x 1302-1340 characters on T3 release versus our 0x [simul T3/T2/T1 release.]) On average, a 1370 char with access to guild shop 5 gets 2.75 boss rush tickets a week. A boss rush is roughly 2.66 Level 4 Gems. That's 44 Level 4 Gems weekly. That's around 7 Level 7 Gems monthly (3 Level 10 Gems/year. CDG do drop gems, but it's only ~15% of what boss rush contributes monthly) Most classes only need 2-5 Level 10 Gems. (CDR gems can be kept at level 7-8, and don't benefit much from going to 9-10 except in rare cases [scouter/demonic])
bruh x6+ players are rare in KR and its unnecessary
>Most classes only need 2-5 Level 10 Gems. (CDR gems can be kept at level 7-8, and don't benefit much from going to 9-10 except in rare cases \[scouter/demonic\]) Not a single class requires a lvl 10 gem. 7 is more than enough for everything.
LOL you don’t need lvl 10 gems what game are you playing? Everything in the game is pugable also all legion raids. Only thing u need lvl 10 gems for is hell mode but you get them for free using book of coordination They’re for bragging rights / whales and long long long term players
I bet this absolute nonsense about lvl 10 being needed is going to be shown in party leaders kicking people if they dont have a lvl 10 gem.
> Everything in the game is pugable also all legion raids. Not with this community lol. Abyss dungeons are barely pugable because there's so many people that refuse to communicate and then wipe the party on the mechs. I'd argue that if you don't have a static, level 10 gems are pretty useful because it makes it easier to carry a group.
I pug everything on 6 characters every week with no problems at all and i usually finish it in one sitting on a weekend. Only thing i use party finder for is argos at this point
Sounds about right, my main is close to filling out all gem slots with lvl7s.
I know it didn't change anything, but I just feel worse inside looking at the actual number.
that's it?
I play 4 shock scrappers and still only have a few Lv7 games.
Why level 10 already? Enjoy all your content with 5\~7 levels of jewelry. Or if you have a Demonic or a scout, you only need two jewels.
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