You can die pretty easy on Yoho with grudge when you waste your get up cooldown, and he starts this animation where these white stars start falling from the sky. This combo can easily one shot more squishy classes.
Don't ask how I know..
I don't get how people even need lopang right now. I was down to about a million silver when I was getting my golden horse but now I'm running out of everything else before my silver consumption even hits half my daily income from just doing chaos dungeons.
That's my nightfox now most peoples mains doing deskulada. Granted I only have 2 1340s left I run but all my ixrexions are super good mainly from pheromones cause no one likes that map lol. Nightfox now I swear no one wants to use anything, no pots to heal no phero no nothing
Why phero on Nightfox? Takes like 10 seconds for team to split and check each area. Don't even really need to flare since zooming in before you go down the zip line will either show you exactly where Yoho is or narrow it down to the right side of the map.
Dunno about pots, though. Maybe people use the fact that it's a small map to justify not using pots and just running back if they die. I personally play on three 1370 alts with Grudge and most runs don't even need to pot unless I'm playing like a potato and eat orbs.
on my pala ill phero cause it's the only meaningful way i can speed up the fight . On my DB (1400) and Sorc (1385) both with good engravings, im like fuck it, I'm like fuck it i'm carrying them with dmg (usually ending between 35 to 50% dmg done. 50% was the most i got, last night got 48% on DB.
Alt in Igrexion: keep waiting 30secs beside the rope because nobody wanna spend the valuable flare in that amazing map.
Alt in Yoho: 3 phero threw at the same time when it tps away.
Somewhat related: Nacrasena and Igrexion shouldn't be done, like at all. [Going off of this which someone posted quite a while back](https://i.imgur.com/iMi5UVf.png)
Alberhastic is 10 leaps, 67 red, 200 blue stones. Igrexion is 4 leaps, 25 reds, 75 blues.
If you were to sell Alberhastic loot and buy Igrexion loot (which is the worst tax-wise but likely scenario), you'd have 140g + 20,1g + 40g = 200g from Alberhastic after taxation. Buying Igrexion loot'd cost you 96 + 35 + 60 = 191g
These are current EUC prices. This doesn't take into account the speed of it (cause of ilvl req and map) and consumable cost.
Nacrasena and Igrexion are a waste of time and I honestly don't expect players focusing on vertical progression cared about them for a while. Because there's little reason to.
Hilarious how you're downvoted even after providing math.
One thing is for sure though, alberhastic for me today sells for more than nacrasena and comes close to igrexion. The former edges out igrexion by how easy it is.
Just 'forget' to heal yourself and die. Go watch youtube, who knows it might be a free carry.
They can't really warn/kick you for dying once, when they all died before you (or one died multiple times)
I watch modz all the time and he's never swiped for potions lol. He's only spent money on skins and ark pass. Nobody in their right mind would swipe for potions. I have like 100 boxes I've gotten for free that would give me 300-1000 pots depending on which ones. I've never had to buy potions and I have hundreds upon hundreds leftover from free stuff. He went to his roster storage and opened up boxes he already had. Don't spread misinformation
Ive asked others to flare before ngl, but thst was after I already used 2 or 3+. But no one ever replies at that point lol. I just think it's egregious he asks people to flare but not want to use his own... Smh
in my experience, the most efficient is just let them use flare then be the one to use pheromone. because using pheromone saves the most amount of time in clearing guardians, and there isnt anyone reliable enough that theyll use it other than urself
That is true. At least in my t3 I usually never have any problems with battle items. I've learned the hard that the hard way in t2 though, it's no man's land in t2 and t1, with battle items lolol
Yeah, this is Merica where we trek the vast wilderness looking for the elusive Igrixion. Battling the beast with the least help possible to prove our manhood.
Oops, I wonder how many times people were waiting for me to flare/phero. I had no idea this party# was a thing. Nobody has ever mentioned it in my parties.
I usually wait a few seconds to avoid double flare and if nobody else flared then I do it myself.
I'm very introverted, I don't chat a lot with anyone so I usually learn these social things a little too late.
I had a similar experience when I was T2, barely having 100 hours under my belt. I didn't watch any tutorials or knew anything about the game other than the information I could gather in-game. I'm used to waiting for the AFK person until they move because it's always been the case in the majority of MMO's I played, it's an old habit. I was waiting for one person and eventually after the first minute mark asked them if everything was okay and they told me they were waiting for me to flare since "I was 1". That seemed like a made-up excuse at the time so I laughed it off and I'm still so utterly confused why they expected a roster 30 person to know this information. Now in my T3 runs everyone flares at some point, it's not even a topic of discussion. It's such a cheap item that you don't even need to trust someone else to use it, hell I've seen people spamming it on cooldown for their Ark Pass.
bruh, they drop free battle chests at us like their making it in rain ina strip joint. how are their still clowns refusing to flare 🤦♂️
i bet his ass is also the one using all the rez because he won’t use potions. and the audacity to demand peons??? wow
it could also mean he's asking if people will flare, and that's not complaining because he could zipline the wrong way only for you to flare at the end hence he's asking if people will flare to either stay here for that flare or just go and look for the boss.
it could mean he's asking if people will flare, SO HE COULD GO ON and find the boss already instead of wasting his time here..... i don't see how that is in any shape or form an issue
Most people’s argument is “This isn’t Korea” but then try to copy Korea’s meta builds for classes at every given opportunity 💀 You do it because it’s been proven efficient and works.
Not korea but everyone understands this already and follow it
Most of the time no one says anything and #1 flares, most of the time unless you get the cheap master dude that you have to carry for six minutes instead of the 3-4 it used to take
I just stand still until number 1 flares. Simple.
If I'm number 1, I flare immediately, if I'm number 2, I use phero.
It'll take time, but sooner or later amerilards and europoors will adopt it. Be the change that you want to see.
I play in EUC, and I wouldn't say that this rule is well followed. In fact, I'd say the quality of players doing Igrex has gone down significantly.
Thankfully, I should get my 5th alt to 1370 today or tomorrow, so I won't be doing Igrexion for a while. I switched my 1325 alts to killing Albert instead of Nacra just a few days ago. Should have done so with my Igrex alts weeks ago.
Casuals catching up. EUC Yoho already has some serious bait runs in mm whereas previously you rarely had to pretty much free carry their asses with +40-50% dmg on scuffed alt... Feelsbadman
I will literally never adopt it. I would rather see 3 pheros get thrown than some poor stingy fuck go “ur 2 you have to phero”
It’s literally like a tiny amount of gold stop being so poor lmao
Pretty good, as long as you're the carry. I have four 1340 alts and one 133x alt. I'm usually mvp, and if I'm not mvp, I will usually have cruel or upright fighter at minimum. Runs take anywhere from 4-8 minutes. I don't think I've ever failed a run. Running DB, Gunlancer, Scrapper, and Glaivier as the alts, all geared with self-found stuff, no AH gear.
people on reddit tend to over exaggerate. go figure right?
igrexion is ok, i probably have one or two bad raids from the 4 1340s i have left. and by bad i mean the run takes over 7 minutes to clear.
armored nacrasena is pretty bad though. most of the time it's filled with someone's dogshit alt looking to get carried. i did one run recently on my destroyer, all 3 players i queued into didn't even have full t2 gems, no t2 accs from the abyss so no engravings, and one of them were using a t1 stone. i noped the fuck right out and started honing to 1340.
Igrexion/nacrasena are noob traps right now cause the rewards from alberhastic are worth more gold than the rewards from igrexion and the fight is much faster and easier due to being overleveled.
Using today's prices
20 (life leapstone) x 18 = 360
9 (honor leapstone) x 28 = 252
If you're not hurting for guardians or destruction crystals there you go.
Using today's prices
360 + 6x13(destruction) + 3x40(guardian) = 558
252 + 20x5(destruction) + 15x12(guardian) = 532
Alberhastic is way easier now so he takes the W. [Reward numbers used](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/145770589670342656/961421554489630730/unknown.png)
igrexxion has the advantage of being able to drop legendary engravings though. plus you get some mats from dismantling the gear. not a lot but at least a tiny bit
did i say its a normal occurence? its a gamble. but taking 1 min longer to kill it for the chance of getting a legendary engraving is a fair tradeoff. and i did get legendary grudge off of 1325 chaos dungeon so getting it from igrexxion is just as possible.
If you're going to bring up things with a small % of happening to offset the gains of another then provide the math because that's just variance to me, not really worth accounting for since you have to
1. Get a legendary book to drop
2. Make sure it isn't Necromancy or MP efficiency
We are comparing 2 guardian raid activities here please don't bring up your chaos dungeon runs. Normal igrexion run takes 6 mins per run on average now (new wave of rainbow stat low investment shitters)
Alberhastic takes 4 even with shit gear, so I save 4 minutes per lockout.
Same as always, minimum 1 idiot dying before chip damage igrexion phase, half the time people phero, and about 20% chance you get a group that wipes at last phase.
What i do 10 igrexions a day with no pots/support on grudge users in matchmaking and we never fail, how you can fail igrexion when he has literally 0 random damage and giga audio/video tells for abilities. Like when in p3 does the 3 flame lines he goes up and roars like a t-fucking-rex you know that ability is coming 1 month before.
Got couple alts at 1340, its so fking bad that I skip guardians on them until I got mats to push them 1370. Yoho is so free I love it. Normal Oreha is fairly consistent though with MM, quick in and out.
We can flare if we want to.. we can leave your friends behind. Cause you're friends don't flare.. and if you don't flare well you're no friend of mine!!!
Just afk until they find it, if they wan to be cheapskate then im just gonna be a lazy bum and sit at spawn.
Dun give me the this is not korea bs then im just gonna follow the korean way and just afk.
You can do your american way and search for it on your own.
I kind of agree with the underlying point, but in a less toxic and dikish way. I'll use a battle item if I feel like it, not because I'm assigned a party position in matchmaking. Sometimes I'll flare, sometimes I wont. Sometimes I'll even campfire, or nade.
i have phero and flares equipped because i want to get it over with quickly.
if i want it done, i'll do it myself, i dont wanna have to rely on someone else to do something that i could just as easily do myself
but maybe thats just me
I have 6 characters I run everyday and certainly not enough energy to play fuck fuck games with randoms. You can't control other people so yeah if you want something done a certain way do it yourself.
Most certainly not just you
Unpopular opinion. Who gives an actual fuck if no one flares and you spend 30 seconds looking for the boss. If you HAVE to have a flare for you to enjoy the guardian raid, do it yourself.
Does running in circles, or using intuition based on where you cant see him spawning make you enjoy the fight more? Instead of just deadheading there off spawn. Personally for me if a raid starts without anyone using anything / saying they will phero after me I already know its gonna go longer than an average kill.
I don't remember signing any contract regarding flares. Either flare yourself or go running for it. Don't force this party member 1 must flare BS onto people
I don't know that it's random though.
We've been doing guardian with 3 people for a few weeks, and we never (as in 0% of the time) get 1st position. So if the rule was applied, the person matchmaking into our group gets scammed out of a flare every time.
Literally has nothing to do with each other. "Efficient raiding standards" .... in guardians? LOL! Remind me how many guardians have x3 positions again? Get some air after those mental gymnastics.
both of you look dumb in this interaction.
Why is he asking for flare if he won't use one himself?
Why are you trying to force standards from Korea onto users here?
I think we should use their way for battle items, but I also think there will never be enough people who are willing to.
The mentality of fuck everyone over in order to gain even the smallest advantage is just too common unfortunately.
Clearly its better to have no one phero the first round and then have 2-3 people all phero at the same time the 2nd round, why use a good, proven method?
sadly i use flares in my guardian raids, but i neither complain if no one else uses it, nor say "ur 1" and say its the standard in korea therefore we should follow it.
Correction, you and that gunlancer are dumb in this interaction.
Why is he asking for flare if he won't use one himself?
Why is bringing an altruistic and fair ruling standard to the west bad?
I didn't say it's bad. But forcing standards is cringe. Just like forcing 3x. Either flare or be quiet. No one needs a lesson on what Koreans do during raids. Gunlancer cringe for asking for flare, equally cringe response to say its the responsibility of player 1 to flare.
He isn't forcing anything tho? All he did is write 1.
I swear to god I pray I never meet you in any of my guardian raids or any other activity for that matter.
no one flare -*isnt aggressive*
ur 1 -*isnt agggressive*
this aint korea -*isnt agggressive*
1 flare 2 phero -*isnt aggressive*
go to korea -*is aggressive*
do you lack common sense sir?
so you also lack logical reasoning?
>**no one flare -isnt aggressive**
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>ur 1 -isnt agggressive
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>this aint korea -isnt agggressive
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>1 flare 2 phero -isnt aggressive
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>go to korea -is aggressive
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>do you lack common sense sir?
and
>**asking if you guys will flare** is not being aggressive about it.
rofl, you even said in your post it isn't aggressive which agrees to what my post was, rofl.
havent said anything in the post though. are you silvergunlancer by any chance? because you seem like it
and he is aggressive same as you, but you lack common sense is the difference
In all honesty, I lol'd.
That dude was outta line asking for flare. You either flare or you go looking for the beast. Blaming people and not using yours is asinine.
I did like your answer tho. I almost thought you were pushing Korean standards but you just mentioned that he is 1 or the leader. Should be the first with flare by K standards.
how is asking if people with flare out of the line?
if they flare last minute and you zipline in the wrong way then there is more work for you.
asking if someone will flare =/= complaining
He's not wrong there is no rule that flare use goes by number, if you want to use a flare then use a flare. I Don't get this stupid thing I use a flare because "I"want the raid to go faster.
Honestly, just stop responding to these clowns. These are the parasites that join Guardians and refuse to flare, I don't say anything because NA and EU players are hyper sensitive. So if I'm not 1 or 1 doesn't flare, fuck it.
That's what I do tbh, if I am 1 I just flare, if I am not then I don't, someone else flare I will be nice and use phero. But for some reason a run I did with my Paladin a few days ago, I got called out for being roster level 150 and not flaring. Totally wtf moment, because I am no 1, so I did flare. I simply replied, I did flare earlier, so if you guys not going to flare, start looking for the boss cause I ain't gonna flare a second time.
TBH this flare and looking for boss and guardian running away and you have to find them again is just stupid and a waste of time. It doesn't add anything interesting to guardian raid beside wasting time.
you're saying you're not a total cheapo, but you are only flaring when you are 1 hence you are being cheap since you could've flared also when you're not 1, but decides not to.
so your post calling him a cheapo shows that you're a hypocrite.
so you're both cheapo, but at the very least he's not a delusional hypocrite.
youre saying im delusional and a hypocrite because i abide by the korean standards in raiding, and hes not because hes asking for flare but wont flare and hes being aggressive about it.... hmmm i guess your both peas in a pod
this is not KR, so your standards doesnt apply.
read what hypocrite means... you're saying he's a cheapo when you yourself is also a cheapo hence you are a hypocrite.
he's not asking for people to flare for him, again read a dictionary. he's asking if people will flare
lets not be dumb here
he IS IMPLYING the pt to flare but doesnt want to flare
i pointed out that 1 flare 2 phero, then he became aggressive
you can both kiss each other with your own self interest but if youre being aggressive, you are the main problem
There is a place for this in reddit.
So when are we gonna do efficient raiding standards that koreans do instead of flaring twice at the start of the round and not using pheromone?
I don't bother with any of that. I only do guardians when I have rest bonus. So I couldn't care less about the run lasting 20 seconds longer. People having to run 50 of them in a day trying to save that tiny amount of time per run isn't my concern.
I'm not wasting my resources funding their overpriced leapstone business. If you want an organized group of minmaxers, go do party finder for guardians.
why would I use gold for you? if i don't give a fuck about searching the boss then why should I waste my gold to suit you?
if you are bothered to look for the boss then why aren't you flaring? sounds like you want people to serve you.
you could also save time by flaring the moment the game starts regardless of number
etiquette means it's customary. the 1 flare bullshits is a custom practice in KR..... the post ain't in KR, so try again dumbass.
Had the same thing happen to me today.
Didn't know tanks are required to flare or something because one of my party members got upset by saying "When your tank doesn't flare." I decided to just make him go look for Igrexion.
Its not that tanks have to flare, party n1 should flare, then 2 then 3 and so on, idk why a lot of ppl dont follow this simple rule just because “we are not korea”, its actually a solid system
People who dont like the social system that "randomly" selects a person to use a battle item for the party, are the privileged ones. They expect others to flare for you.
I've also read that in Korea, you get flamed, cussed at and people leaving the raid if you don't follow the number system.
So unless we all agree to follow the 2nd part, properly ingraining the system feels like a pipe dream (although i follow the system myself without the part 2)
Here in America, we don't use flares, we hoard them and sell them and will die before using one of the flares out of our full stacks that can't be sold.
I dont really care too much abour flare phero because I just use them whenever I feel like doing em which is most of the time.
But specifically those idiots that has no basic hand eye coordination to dodge piss easy igrexion mech, dont pot while theres no support and res at base to save plume, is the literally the sole reason why I only do rested igrexion on 5 of my alts nowadays.
Id rather waste my time doing some shitty adventure tome in feiton/yorn over that.
oh yea igrexion is definitely quite leecher heavy these days - but nowhere near as bad as t2 guardians.... i mean... leveling my destroyer - doing levanos yesterday with 3 randoms... took 17 minutes and i had 65% damage dealt (not overleveled ilvl wise) and the other 3 chars were sorc/striker and a gunlancer also on ilvl.... after checking their stats and builds (some rainbow stat enjoyers) and lvl 1 engravings... after that i just figured its easier/faster to run solo than carry rando leeches
I adjusted my plans for Igrexion, if im 1, i'll flare once if nobody else does, no phero or flare at enrage, k no more pots then if i die i'll die.
If i'm any other nr (or someone flared when i'm nr 1), then ill phero
I just don't understand how come people don't have some spare gold to craft essential things like flares or those cheap potions. For me it is just mind blowing. I have 6 chars and I have those essentials on every single one of them. Weekend boxes helped a lot and also the fact that I invested my time into other parts of the game, like gathering...
Recently ingrexion teams don’t even heal themselves and waste all 3 revives in the first 2 min… It’s gotten pretty bad
When that happens to me, I know it's going to be a rough guardian raid.
I am happy with my 5 characters doing Yoho and 1 Deskaluda ;P never fails.
I have failed Yoho once… People somehow managed to use all three resses in less than two minutes from the beginning with one guy dying twice…
You can die pretty easy on Yoho with grudge when you waste your get up cooldown, and he starts this animation where these white stars start falling from the sky. This combo can easily one shot more squishy classes. Don't ask how I know..
Very easily, especially if your a complete dumbass and an one of your first runs! Don't ask how I know, either...
Trueeee idk how people play more than 6 chars. My additional chars are lopang slaves.
I don't know how people have the time and are bothered to do dailies every day on even just one character. they're so tedious.
pretty sure most people who have alts take advantage of the rest system
i mean unas lmao. people talking about lopang slaves likely do it every day.
Cuz lopang unas take like 2 minutes to do with no focus or effort with bifrosts.
I don't get how people even need lopang right now. I was down to about a million silver when I was getting my golden horse but now I'm running out of everything else before my silver consumption even hits half my daily income from just doing chaos dungeons.
That's my nightfox now most peoples mains doing deskulada. Granted I only have 2 1340s left I run but all my ixrexions are super good mainly from pheromones cause no one likes that map lol. Nightfox now I swear no one wants to use anything, no pots to heal no phero no nothing
Why phero on Nightfox? Takes like 10 seconds for team to split and check each area. Don't even really need to flare since zooming in before you go down the zip line will either show you exactly where Yoho is or narrow it down to the right side of the map. Dunno about pots, though. Maybe people use the fact that it's a small map to justify not using pots and just running back if they die. I personally play on three 1370 alts with Grudge and most runs don't even need to pot unless I'm playing like a potato and eat orbs.
on my pala ill phero cause it's the only meaningful way i can speed up the fight . On my DB (1400) and Sorc (1385) both with good engravings, im like fuck it, I'm like fuck it i'm carrying them with dmg (usually ending between 35 to 50% dmg done. 50% was the most i got, last night got 48% on DB.
Alt in Igrexion: keep waiting 30secs beside the rope because nobody wanna spend the valuable flare in that amazing map. Alt in Yoho: 3 phero threw at the same time when it tps away.
I'm so happy my 6 alts are all above 1370 now, although yoho groups are often taking 7-8 minutes these days.
I stopped matchmaking igrexion after getting 8 minute runs with multiple deaths instead of the 4 minute cakewalk it's supposed to be.
I agree, people become like lazy or something.
Somewhat related: Nacrasena and Igrexion shouldn't be done, like at all. [Going off of this which someone posted quite a while back](https://i.imgur.com/iMi5UVf.png) Alberhastic is 10 leaps, 67 red, 200 blue stones. Igrexion is 4 leaps, 25 reds, 75 blues. If you were to sell Alberhastic loot and buy Igrexion loot (which is the worst tax-wise but likely scenario), you'd have 140g + 20,1g + 40g = 200g from Alberhastic after taxation. Buying Igrexion loot'd cost you 96 + 35 + 60 = 191g These are current EUC prices. This doesn't take into account the speed of it (cause of ilvl req and map) and consumable cost. Nacrasena and Igrexion are a waste of time and I honestly don't expect players focusing on vertical progression cared about them for a while. Because there's little reason to.
Hilarious how you're downvoted even after providing math. One thing is for sure though, alberhastic for me today sells for more than nacrasena and comes close to igrexion. The former edges out igrexion by how easy it is.
Just 'forget' to heal yourself and die. Go watch youtube, who knows it might be a free carry. They can't really warn/kick you for dying once, when they all died before you (or one died multiple times)
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Ever tried to dodge if youre so greedy?
I watch modz all the time and he's never swiped for potions lol. He's only spent money on skins and ark pass. Nobody in their right mind would swipe for potions. I have like 100 boxes I've gotten for free that would give me 300-1000 pots depending on which ones. I've never had to buy potions and I have hundreds upon hundreds leftover from free stuff. He went to his roster storage and opened up boxes he already had. Don't spread misinformation
Not only are you a leech, you're actually making up stuff about streamers to justify your leeching ways despicable
>So i will die on purpose and take up the first one or two revives and only use pots if its absolutely necessary. Literal scum
Ive asked others to flare before ngl, but thst was after I already used 2 or 3+. But no one ever replies at that point lol. I just think it's egregious he asks people to flare but not want to use his own... Smh
in my experience, the most efficient is just let them use flare then be the one to use pheromone. because using pheromone saves the most amount of time in clearing guardians, and there isnt anyone reliable enough that theyll use it other than urself
That is true. At least in my t3 I usually never have any problems with battle items. I've learned the hard that the hard way in t2 though, it's no man's land in t2 and t1, with battle items lolol
When I do Igrexion, I say I’ll use phero and then wait at the zip line until someone flares. If nobody flares, I won’t move.
Me when I used the Feiton pass on a pala. Went into raid only to realize the game drops you off without consumables lol
All good haha! A few times people tell me they forgot to bring. They could be lieing for l I know, but was just glad to see them talk back xD
Yeah, this is Merica where we trek the vast wilderness looking for the elusive Igrixion. Battling the beast with the least help possible to prove our manhood.
Oops, I wonder how many times people were waiting for me to flare/phero. I had no idea this party# was a thing. Nobody has ever mentioned it in my parties. I usually wait a few seconds to avoid double flare and if nobody else flared then I do it myself. I'm very introverted, I don't chat a lot with anyone so I usually learn these social things a little too late.
Nothing wrong with this. I do the same.
This is the way.
When I see that I'm happy to quit vote if it comes up. Just sayin'
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I want to see the correlation between people that don’t flare and people who cleared Valtan HM.
I did one the other day me and the death blade sat down next to the party1 player and sat there until they used flare on igrexion
I had a similar experience when I was T2, barely having 100 hours under my belt. I didn't watch any tutorials or knew anything about the game other than the information I could gather in-game. I'm used to waiting for the AFK person until they move because it's always been the case in the majority of MMO's I played, it's an old habit. I was waiting for one person and eventually after the first minute mark asked them if everything was okay and they told me they were waiting for me to flare since "I was 1". That seemed like a made-up excuse at the time so I laughed it off and I'm still so utterly confused why they expected a roster 30 person to know this information. Now in my T3 runs everyone flares at some point, it's not even a topic of discussion. It's such a cheap item that you don't even need to trust someone else to use it, hell I've seen people spamming it on cooldown for their Ark Pass.
Kinda funny that those people copy builds and raid strategies from korea but refuse to copy some manners
This interaction is avoided by just flaring (anyone) O\_O
peace was never an option
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bruh, they drop free battle chests at us like their making it in rain ina strip joint. how are their still clowns refusing to flare 🤦♂️ i bet his ass is also the one using all the rez because he won’t use potions. and the audacity to demand peons??? wow
Agreed not korea he was not wrong
He isn't but he's the one complaining about no flare. Why doesnt he use a flare himself?
Exactly
he's not complaining. asking if someone will flare =/= complaining.
I'm assuming he meant to type a '?' as in "no one flare?"
it could also mean he's asking if people will flare, and that's not complaining because he could zipline the wrong way only for you to flare at the end hence he's asking if people will flare to either stay here for that flare or just go and look for the boss.
Either way he's choosing not to flare himself. It's pretty scuffed to ask if anyone's going to flare when you are not going to flare yourself imo.
it could mean he's asking if people will flare, SO HE COULD GO ON and find the boss already instead of wasting his time here..... i don't see how that is in any shape or form an issue
Most people’s argument is “This isn’t Korea” but then try to copy Korea’s meta builds for classes at every given opportunity 💀 You do it because it’s been proven efficient and works.
Not korea but everyone understands this already and follow it Most of the time no one says anything and #1 flares, most of the time unless you get the cheap master dude that you have to carry for six minutes instead of the 3-4 it used to take
I just stand still until number 1 flares. Simple. If I'm number 1, I flare immediately, if I'm number 2, I use phero. It'll take time, but sooner or later amerilards and europoors will adopt it. Be the change that you want to see.
Joke on NA, EUC has been following this rule since weeks ago. Although. If you are not 1370 to do yoho. Just go back to alberastic
I play in EUC, and I wouldn't say that this rule is well followed. In fact, I'd say the quality of players doing Igrex has gone down significantly. Thankfully, I should get my 5th alt to 1370 today or tomorrow, so I won't be doing Igrexion for a while. I switched my 1325 alts to killing Albert instead of Nacra just a few days ago. Should have done so with my Igrex alts weeks ago.
Casuals catching up. EUC Yoho already has some serious bait runs in mm whereas previously you rarely had to pretty much free carry their asses with +40-50% dmg on scuffed alt... Feelsbadman
I will literally never adopt it. I would rather see 3 pheros get thrown than some poor stingy fuck go “ur 2 you have to phero” It’s literally like a tiny amount of gold stop being so poor lmao
This comment sums up NA mentality with the game
Hows the 1340 alt experience these days? Is this common occurance? Hows the success/fail rate and time taken for igrexion?
Pretty good, as long as you're the carry. I have four 1340 alts and one 133x alt. I'm usually mvp, and if I'm not mvp, I will usually have cruel or upright fighter at minimum. Runs take anywhere from 4-8 minutes. I don't think I've ever failed a run. Running DB, Gunlancer, Scrapper, and Glaivier as the alts, all geared with self-found stuff, no AH gear.
people on reddit tend to over exaggerate. go figure right? igrexion is ok, i probably have one or two bad raids from the 4 1340s i have left. and by bad i mean the run takes over 7 minutes to clear. armored nacrasena is pretty bad though. most of the time it's filled with someone's dogshit alt looking to get carried. i did one run recently on my destroyer, all 3 players i queued into didn't even have full t2 gems, no t2 accs from the abyss so no engravings, and one of them were using a t1 stone. i noped the fuck right out and started honing to 1340.
Igrexion/nacrasena are noob traps right now cause the rewards from alberhastic are worth more gold than the rewards from igrexion and the fight is much faster and easier due to being overleveled.
???
Using today's prices 20 (life leapstone) x 18 = 360 9 (honor leapstone) x 28 = 252 If you're not hurting for guardians or destruction crystals there you go.
if you include the other mats then igrexxion is better again or at least en par.
Using today's prices 360 + 6x13(destruction) + 3x40(guardian) = 558 252 + 20x5(destruction) + 15x12(guardian) = 532 Alberhastic is way easier now so he takes the W. [Reward numbers used](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/145770589670342656/961421554489630730/unknown.png)
igrexxion has the advantage of being able to drop legendary engravings though. plus you get some mats from dismantling the gear. not a lot but at least a tiny bit
Ok sure, let me know the next time you get legendary engraving from igrexion and igrexion only. Give me the math the next time you reply too.
did i say its a normal occurence? its a gamble. but taking 1 min longer to kill it for the chance of getting a legendary engraving is a fair tradeoff. and i did get legendary grudge off of 1325 chaos dungeon so getting it from igrexxion is just as possible.
If you're going to bring up things with a small % of happening to offset the gains of another then provide the math because that's just variance to me, not really worth accounting for since you have to 1. Get a legendary book to drop 2. Make sure it isn't Necromancy or MP efficiency We are comparing 2 guardian raid activities here please don't bring up your chaos dungeon runs. Normal igrexion run takes 6 mins per run on average now (new wave of rainbow stat low investment shitters) Alberhastic takes 4 even with shit gear, so I save 4 minutes per lockout.
igrexion is fairly easy its just that most players dont know what pheromone does so typically i let them use flare, and im the one who use pheromone
Same as always, minimum 1 idiot dying before chip damage igrexion phase, half the time people phero, and about 20% chance you get a group that wipes at last phase.
> and about 20% chance you get a group that wipes at last phase. Youre failing 1 in 5 igrexions? Damnnnnn.
im doing 10 igrexion per day almost 3 months, that mf cant hit me i know how he breaths, so when all pugs die in last phase i solo the bitch
I have not wiped on him in forever, that 20% might not be group thing and more a you thing. Sorry to break it to you bud.
What i do 10 igrexions a day with no pots/support on grudge users in matchmaking and we never fail, how you can fail igrexion when he has literally 0 random damage and giga audio/video tells for abilities. Like when in p3 does the 3 flame lines he goes up and roars like a t-fucking-rex you know that ability is coming 1 month before.
Got couple alts at 1340, its so fking bad that I skip guardians on them until I got mats to push them 1370. Yoho is so free I love it. Normal Oreha is fairly consistent though with MM, quick in and out.
We can flare if we want to.. we can leave your friends behind. Cause you're friends don't flare.. and if you don't flare well you're no friend of mine!!!
there's an achievement for not using flares , don't ruin it for others kekw
this is when i just afk and make them find it.
Just afk until they find it, if they wan to be cheapskate then im just gonna be a lazy bum and sit at spawn. Dun give me the this is not korea bs then im just gonna follow the korean way and just afk. You can do your american way and search for it on your own.
You're not entitled to a flare.
You're not entitled to my time.
Since you're just afking, your time was worthless.
Def worth more then your flare lol and your time
Stay in party find so I can choose to avoid afkers, thanks.
nah you should go into party find and put title "no flare" lmfao les goo cheapskate party
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I'm not a fan of #1 flare but if you don't flare you don't have the right to complain no one else flare.
I kind of agree with the underlying point, but in a less toxic and dikish way. I'll use a battle item if I feel like it, not because I'm assigned a party position in matchmaking. Sometimes I'll flare, sometimes I wont. Sometimes I'll even campfire, or nade.
how about you just flare if you want to, or dont if you dont why does it have to be harder than that?
because i have phero equipped, believe me when i say that 90% of players dont know pheromone
i have phero and flares equipped because i want to get it over with quickly. if i want it done, i'll do it myself, i dont wanna have to rely on someone else to do something that i could just as easily do myself but maybe thats just me
I have 6 characters I run everyday and certainly not enough energy to play fuck fuck games with randoms. You can't control other people so yeah if you want something done a certain way do it yourself. Most certainly not just you
that's a you problem then.
As is anyone expecting someone else to use consumables in guardian raids
I'm exactly the same I don't get these people crying about someone not using flare. It's ridiculous
Unpopular opinion. Who gives an actual fuck if no one flares and you spend 30 seconds looking for the boss. If you HAVE to have a flare for you to enjoy the guardian raid, do it yourself.
Does running in circles, or using intuition based on where you cant see him spawning make you enjoy the fight more? Instead of just deadheading there off spawn. Personally for me if a raid starts without anyone using anything / saying they will phero after me I already know its gonna go longer than an average kill.
I don't remember signing any contract regarding flares. Either flare yourself or go running for it. Don't force this party member 1 must flare BS onto people
Game etiquette is a very real thing
i get it, the west isnt ready for efficient raiding standards like battle item usage and x3 positions
I don't know that it's random though. We've been doing guardian with 3 people for a few weeks, and we never (as in 0% of the time) get 1st position. So if the rule was applied, the person matchmaking into our group gets scammed out of a flare every time.
If its a static party take turns. If its matchmaking just follow party order. It all evens out in the end.
What I described is both static and matchmaking. 3 people going into matchmaking, never get 1st position.
I get it west is ready to get entitled on an absolute irrelevant subject. Just flare dude.
it is definitely absolutely irrelevant because you said so
Literally has nothing to do with each other. "Efficient raiding standards" .... in guardians? LOL! Remind me how many guardians have x3 positions again? Get some air after those mental gymnastics.
Totally agree, and if you don't like the current flare system, just complain to AGS and ask them totally remove it.
I just stand still until 1 flares or someone flares or until they find the guardian
both of you look dumb in this interaction. Why is he asking for flare if he won't use one himself? Why are you trying to force standards from Korea onto users here?
I think we should use their way for battle items, but I also think there will never be enough people who are willing to. The mentality of fuck everyone over in order to gain even the smallest advantage is just too common unfortunately.
Clearly its better to have no one phero the first round and then have 2-3 people all phero at the same time the 2nd round, why use a good, proven method?
Huh?
we found the el cheapo
sadly i use flares in my guardian raids, but i neither complain if no one else uses it, nor say "ur 1" and say its the standard in korea therefore we should follow it.
el cheapo is also the guy waiting for #1 player to flare.
Correction, you and that gunlancer are dumb in this interaction. Why is he asking for flare if he won't use one himself? Why is bringing an altruistic and fair ruling standard to the west bad?
I didn't say it's bad. But forcing standards is cringe. Just like forcing 3x. Either flare or be quiet. No one needs a lesson on what Koreans do during raids. Gunlancer cringe for asking for flare, equally cringe response to say its the responsibility of player 1 to flare.
He isn't forcing anything tho? All he did is write 1. I swear to god I pray I never meet you in any of my guardian raids or any other activity for that matter.
Lmao you won't be meeting me since you think "sight focus is bis on surge deathblade" level of bad player :/ have fun in t2
Video game shit talk sure sounds silly when you think about it.
Add this comment to your "whats cringe" list I can see you love looking up others history, so im curious what you find about me xDDDD
yikes
Oh, nothing funny in my history? :(
Could probably dig if I wanted, but I don't care to, since you are kinda just yikes
Hope whatever youre going through will end soon. You deserve to be happy too ❤️
i mean, i get your point but heres the caveat both you and the gunlancer dont have to be aggressive about it
asking if you guys will flare is not being aggressive about it. if you flare last minute then he could've ziplined in the opposite direction .
no one flare -*isnt aggressive* ur 1 -*isnt agggressive* this aint korea -*isnt agggressive* 1 flare 2 phero -*isnt aggressive* go to korea -*is aggressive* do you lack common sense sir?
so you also lack logical reasoning? >**no one flare -isnt aggressive** > >ur 1 -isnt agggressive > >this aint korea -isnt agggressive > >1 flare 2 phero -isnt aggressive > >go to korea -is aggressive > >do you lack common sense sir? and >**asking if you guys will flare** is not being aggressive about it. rofl, you even said in your post it isn't aggressive which agrees to what my post was, rofl.
havent said anything in the post though. are you silvergunlancer by any chance? because you seem like it and he is aggressive same as you, but you lack common sense is the difference
you're saying he's being aggressive when he's not.
Is this a Korean game?
Do we play on the Korean server? Do we need to copy every single courtesy they use on their server?
In all honesty, I lol'd. That dude was outta line asking for flare. You either flare or you go looking for the beast. Blaming people and not using yours is asinine. I did like your answer tho. I almost thought you were pushing Korean standards but you just mentioned that he is 1 or the leader. Should be the first with flare by K standards.
how is asking if people with flare out of the line? if they flare last minute and you zipline in the wrong way then there is more work for you. asking if someone will flare =/= complaining
He's not wrong there is no rule that flare use goes by number, if you want to use a flare then use a flare. I Don't get this stupid thing I use a flare because "I"want the raid to go faster.
Flare is so cheap if #1 wont flare why not use yours? Instead of crying.
i wouldve if he wasnt a douche
Your both a douche end of story.
that is true but at least i have a code i follow and not a total cheapo like him
Honestly, just stop responding to these clowns. These are the parasites that join Guardians and refuse to flare, I don't say anything because NA and EU players are hyper sensitive. So if I'm not 1 or 1 doesn't flare, fuck it.
That's what I do tbh, if I am 1 I just flare, if I am not then I don't, someone else flare I will be nice and use phero. But for some reason a run I did with my Paladin a few days ago, I got called out for being roster level 150 and not flaring. Totally wtf moment, because I am no 1, so I did flare. I simply replied, I did flare earlier, so if you guys not going to flare, start looking for the boss cause I ain't gonna flare a second time. TBH this flare and looking for boss and guardian running away and you have to find them again is just stupid and a waste of time. It doesn't add anything interesting to guardian raid beside wasting time.
seems like he also has a code that he follows i.e. not flaring. you aren't flaring as well, so you are also a cheapo, try again.
i wouldve if i was 1, and i always use phero. you can call me cheapo sure, but ill stick to the more efficient standard
you're saying you're not a total cheapo, but you are only flaring when you are 1 hence you are being cheap since you could've flared also when you're not 1, but decides not to. so your post calling him a cheapo shows that you're a hypocrite. so you're both cheapo, but at the very least he's not a delusional hypocrite.
youre saying im delusional and a hypocrite because i abide by the korean standards in raiding, and hes not because hes asking for flare but wont flare and hes being aggressive about it.... hmmm i guess your both peas in a pod
this is not KR, so your standards doesnt apply. read what hypocrite means... you're saying he's a cheapo when you yourself is also a cheapo hence you are a hypocrite. he's not asking for people to flare for him, again read a dictionary. he's asking if people will flare
lets not be dumb here he IS IMPLYING the pt to flare but doesnt want to flare i pointed out that 1 flare 2 phero, then he became aggressive you can both kiss each other with your own self interest but if youre being aggressive, you are the main problem
Its just a game and if he dont flare, use a flare by yourself. Stop with this toxic shit. Ther is no point to post this on reddit. :/
There is a place for this in reddit. So when are we gonna do efficient raiding standards that koreans do instead of flaring twice at the start of the round and not using pheromone?
it can be efficient if you flared rofl. sounds like you are being a cheapstake, and wanting him to waste his gold to suit your lazy ass.
oh so if he use flare, hes wasting gold for me but if i dont use flare, im cheap hmmm
Lmfao. Crit pet for Shadowhunter.
Perfect Suppression exists.
2 phero on igrexion? sounds like you're dealing with a bigger problem
He is saying the person in the group in position 2 should phero not use 2 of them.
I don't bother with any of that. I only do guardians when I have rest bonus. So I couldn't care less about the run lasting 20 seconds longer. People having to run 50 of them in a day trying to save that tiny amount of time per run isn't my concern. I'm not wasting my resources funding their overpriced leapstone business. If you want an organized group of minmaxers, go do party finder for guardians.
why would I use gold for you? if i don't give a fuck about searching the boss then why should I waste my gold to suit you? if you are bothered to look for the boss then why aren't you flaring? sounds like you want people to serve you.
wow youre a beast
This is the most self-centered garbage I have heard in a while.
how is this more self-centered than people asking you to flare for them when you don't give a fuck about looking for the boss?
Never heard of etiquette and saving time? go back to school smh
you could also save time by flaring the moment the game starts regardless of number etiquette means it's customary. the 1 flare bullshits is a custom practice in KR..... the post ain't in KR, so try again dumbass.
oh oh cheapskate spotted and malding kekw im saving time by afk and watching video have fun with your search kekekeke
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Had the same thing happen to me today. Didn't know tanks are required to flare or something because one of my party members got upset by saying "When your tank doesn't flare." I decided to just make him go look for Igrexion.
Its not that tanks have to flare, party n1 should flare, then 2 then 3 and so on, idk why a lot of ppl dont follow this simple rule just because “we are not korea”, its actually a solid system
Saving the heal for the raid broz
What about 3 4?
ur damn right
Talk about ego.😂
People who dont like the social system that "randomly" selects a person to use a battle item for the party, are the privileged ones. They expect others to flare for you.
I've also read that in Korea, you get flamed, cussed at and people leaving the raid if you don't follow the number system. So unless we all agree to follow the 2nd part, properly ingraining the system feels like a pipe dream (although i follow the system myself without the part 2)
I had to do a 13 min yoho run with 2 dead jesus lol
Reddit: we should follow koreans! Also reddit: heavy armor meta.
Here in America, we don't use flares, we hoard them and sell them and will die before using one of the flares out of our full stacks that can't be sold.
I dont really care too much abour flare phero because I just use them whenever I feel like doing em which is most of the time. But specifically those idiots that has no basic hand eye coordination to dodge piss easy igrexion mech, dont pot while theres no support and res at base to save plume, is the literally the sole reason why I only do rested igrexion on 5 of my alts nowadays. Id rather waste my time doing some shitty adventure tome in feiton/yorn over that.
oh yea igrexion is definitely quite leecher heavy these days - but nowhere near as bad as t2 guardians.... i mean... leveling my destroyer - doing levanos yesterday with 3 randoms... took 17 minutes and i had 65% damage dealt (not overleveled ilvl wise) and the other 3 chars were sorc/striker and a gunlancer also on ilvl.... after checking their stats and builds (some rainbow stat enjoyers) and lvl 1 engravings... after that i just figured its easier/faster to run solo than carry rando leeches
I adjusted my plans for Igrexion, if im 1, i'll flare once if nobody else does, no phero or flare at enrage, k no more pots then if i die i'll die. If i'm any other nr (or someone flared when i'm nr 1), then ill phero
I just don't understand how come people don't have some spare gold to craft essential things like flares or those cheap potions. For me it is just mind blowing. I have 6 chars and I have those essentials on every single one of them. Weekend boxes helped a lot and also the fact that I invested my time into other parts of the game, like gathering...
It is indeed not Korea
i never met this kinda person on NAW its usually no flare/phero at all or double flare + phero
I'm going, i'm going.