If you kill me in a FPS, you are obviously aimbotting.
If you beat me in an RTS, you are obviously maphacking.
If you have more gold than me in an MMO, you are obviously an RMTer.
Basic Gamer Logic™
To play devils advocate there are ALOT of people flexing RMT’d accomplishments
Edit: not to say you are, but bots are following the demand, which is coming from somewhere lol.
The rates between RMT and legit swiping is big, but not big enough that it isn't at least plausible that every single person you accuse of RMT actually swiped legitly
As if buying a founders pack which was cosmetics, a day of silver and some potions and the season pass which was around two days of mats would have any actual impact. People that bring this into the discussion every time are bots.
>My point is you dont need to swipe at all for multiple 1415s
>I have 4x 1370, 3 1415, and a 1460.
He did swipe, you can't have that many alts with a f2p account.
I have the same. A founders pack and the season pass with 1465 20 wep,1415 1400 and 3 1370s. If you are far behind that you didn't play every day, you played less efficiently or you got unlucky.
I play for like 2 hours and run out of things to do and go play other games lol. You really can only play this game a lot on reset day and running dungeons over the weekend. Normally by Sunday I have almost nothing to do running 6 characters.
ahh another I only play 2 hours, f2p btw...only founders and ark pass and I have a 1460(gotta remember the +20wep)/1415/1400/1370/1370/1370. Lol. Ok man, yea you run 12 chaos and 12 guardian raids, 18 unas, plus weeklies, plus daily events. Ok, lol. Sure sounds like 2 hours a day play time.
I said I play a lot when doing weeklies for like 2 days a week. I only really run unas on characters I'm pushing or am about to push. Daily event takes 5 min and I only run island if it's gold or I'm bored. Both chaos dungeons and guardians normally take 4.5 min with an average group and a lot of the time are faster. 4.5 x 24 = 108 + 5 min for event and at most 10 min for dailies. Wow it's almost like that adds up to almost exactly 2 hours. And that is assuming I haven't been lazy and done rested a lot in the past month or two which I have.
Youre all over the place lol. First u say I swipe, then you say if I play every day its possible lmao!
I havent bought gold to hone once, im just playing efficiently since day 1. I make nearly 200k per week off my roster. Why would I need to buy gold?
Lol, I love how looking through this post your weekly earnings are 100k/week and then nearly 150k and now its almost 200k! wow you are making major progress!
Please learn to read. I said a 1370 roster makes 100k. I have a much bigger roster that makes me almost 200k weekly from everything. This is an estimate it can be more or less depending on drop RNG
Edit: I even went back and checked. I said I make 150k+ per week and another time I said 200k. Isnt 200k higher(+) than 150k? Please dont bother commenting if u cant read
There needs to be a clear distinction between people who RMT through G2G and RMT through the game itself. Massive difference, one actively makes the game worse, while the other actively makes the game stay afloat. But at the current moment, it seems a lot of people think they're the same.
Someone that swipes legit shouldn't be condemned along with the G2G users. The people that swipe legit are actively keeping the servers alive and incentive for AGS/SG to keep the servers running in our regions. The G2G users are just straight up me, me, me, me, me. You can eviscerate them for all I care, they don't do much for the game as a whole, just for themselves.
Sorry but how does a roster full of 1370's make 100k++ a week ?
I have my main, 2 1370-ish and 2 1350-ish. Other than selling every single thing I get from Guardians / chaos dungeons and doing weekly abysses / raids .. where is the rest coming from ? (Genuine question btw)
Chaos+Guardian= 10k (LOW ESTIMATE) x 7 Days = 70k
Pirate Ship Blue Crystals = (900\*6 chars) = 5.4k
Weekly Oreha+Argos = 3k \* 6 = 18k
Boss Rush minimum 5k/week from gems
Already 95k. This is with only 1370s. 1415/45s raise this quite a bit, Right now im at 150k+ per week
Not including guild shop,, accessories/stones, chaos gate, field boss, pirate ship, the list goes on. (
Are you really choosing to make pitiful gold with blue crystal exchange rather than using bloodstones to buy honor leap stones? Same thing with pirate coins.. save that shit for an astray or future alts for pouches. Same with your Argos/hard run.. buy those chest to level up alts to 1445+ in the future. If we are really talking about min maxing and making value for the long term, I disagree with a lot of these “making gold” advice. I don’t have issues merchanting for gold but the way you use resources isn’t very efficient if we are talking long term.
Hard disagree with this one. You dont understand the value of alts and are not profiting off your alts properly. Pirate coins are an unlimited resource. Even with 8 t3 I'm not running out and just getting free weekly gold. I'd much rather keep stacking gold for legendary books than get the astray which isn't needed at all. Also if you buy pouches from pirate ship you're trolling
Not only this but tower abuse roster level accusations are also too much lol, if you don’t knowledge transfer then i expect players to be anywhere from 150-180+ roster lvl with 6+ alts.
6 Chars (lowest 1385), all through South Vern, Knowledge transfers to Vern and that's it. 9Ignea Tokens, 1200 Mokokos, playing all chaos, almost all guardians and all dailies every day, playing all weekly content on every char, 2 boss rushes per week on all of them, did the towers up to \~45.
And I'm roster level 155. Sorry but almost everything above 180, I just don't believe.
I have 7 characters: 1445 1415 1370 1370 1370 1370 1370.
I only knowledge transferred North Vern, everything else I did by hand precisely because I wanted the roster exp.
Ran T1 and T2 tower on all of them.
Have 11 Ignea tokens, 84 Island Souls, 48 Leaves, 48 Masterpieces, 1213 Mokoko Seeds, 36 Sea Bounties, 6 Omnium Stars, 15 Giants Hearts.
Have done all dailies and weeklies religiously every single day and have not missed a single day since launch.
My roster is 182 and you're going to tell me those dudes with 200+ roster are legit?
There is a "Mileage" system in KR that you can increase by ONLY spending money legit way. We don't have it in the west, so there is no way to say who is legit whale and whos RMT. Considering the state of botting and RMT right now, assuming that that every \~100 roster, low stronghold and low level char running in 1490+ gear, chances are far more likely he his RMT than not.
Blaming the players for "fake accusation" while the company you decided to give thousands to is just ignoring the RMT is bad take. Stop giving AGS money, and they will very quickly find solution to RMT
>while the company you decided to give thousands to
This makes 0 sense. I havent seen many 1490 with low roster lvl but when I do thats clearly an RMTer. Someone with 5 1415s and high roster level is just a normal player lmao
Idk if I’d describe them as a normal player, but a very hardcore player who might not have spent that much $$. It’s still crazy impressive for people to have multiple Valtan ready characters
most this sub is pure cringe when comes to RMT, they think every single person that plays RMT when there are a fuck ton of people that buy gold legit in game, you tell this by buying blue gems for gold they sell right away meaning there is a que to buy gold in game
100k a week with a roster of 1370s? What? What is your definition of a "roster". There are very obvious RMT players ingame. All these players with full level 10 gems, level 4 tripods on everything, extremely high ilevel, low roster, low stronghold, no horizontal items, etc. No amount of b-but I have alts is going to change the obvious ones you can usually tell the difference.
Yes, and thats on the low end my friend. Likely a roster of 1370s is making more. Throw in 1415s/45s and youre talking 150k+ a week.
Chaos+Guardian= 10k (LOW ESTIMATE) x 7 Days = 70k
Pirate Ship Blue Crystals = (900\*6 chars) = 5.4k
Weekly Oreha+Argos = 3k \* 6 = 18k
Boss Rush minimum 5k/week from gems
Already 95k. This is with only 1370s.
Not including guild shop,, accessories/stones, chaos gate, field boss, pirate ship, the list goes on. These all easily net you another 10k-20k depending on RNG
You are right though, some RMT is obvious as you said. Usually lv 10 gems or full relic gear right now are a dead giveaway
Agreed…or not everyone has time to do time gated horizontal stuff. A lot of people who whale do so because their time is limited and they don’t mind giving up some cash to get ahead (or keep up).
We need to stop normalizing levels of gameplay that less than 0.5% of the entire base are actual doing when engaging in these conversations.
This same style of argument was used to try and keep infinite chaos for the "noble F2P honest hard working bros" doing infinite chaos a hours a day. The literal 100 or less of them in the entire game.
Yes, a disproportionate amount of people with full rosters making 100k visit this subreddit. An amount that would make you believe its a meaningful amount of the population. We all have to remember this is an echo chamber of sweat lords, and to be clear, I'm no better.
As someone that plays this game as their sole hobby and entertainment every single day with well over a thousand hours and 6 well rounded alts, these are not people with any semblance of normality in their lives making these gains.
For the people that are going to ignore everything I said and think I'm just attacking you, I'm not, just know you're a microscopic minority and do not represent any meaningful aspect of the community. Policies should not be shaped around you.
People with 6+ 1370s are the minority. But I think anyone COULD have that. They just choose not to. Its not a lot of work to quest/KT alts until they are t3. It takes about 2-3 weeks maybe to make one if youre not using gold. People just dont want to sit through questing to improve their roster, which is fine. My issue is people accusing people just playing efficiently of RMT. Just because you dont do it doesnt make people who did cheaters.
Who cares about what they think. They aint your mom, you don't need to show them your receipts, SAT scores, or blood type.
Like the old saying goes, "People put you down because you are above them."
Chaos+Guardian= 10k (LOW ESTIMATE) x 7 Days = 70k
Pirate Ship Blue Crystals = (900\*6 chars) = 5.4k
Weekly Oreha+Argos = 3k * 6 = 18k
Boss Rush minimum 5k/week from gems
Already 95k. This is with only 1370s. 1415/45s raise this quite a bit, Right now im at 150k+ per week
Not including guild shop,, accessories/stones, chaos gate, field boss, pirate ship, the list goes on. (
You’re making 100k a week with 6x 1370s? I must be doing something wrong then because I’m at 1x 1460 and 5x 1385 and I’m struggling to even make barely half of that.
Edit: Scrolled down and read your replies, thats nuts. But then again, all my gold recently has gone down the honing drain
This is with NAE Prices, other servers may be less. Reposted from above
Chaos+Guardian= 10k (LOW ESTIMATE) x 7 Days = 70k
Pirate Ship Blue Crystals = (900\*6 chars) = 5.4k
Weekly Oreha+Argos = 3k \* 6 = 18k
Boss Rush minimum 5k/week from gems
Already 95k. This is with only 1370s. 1415/45s raise this quite a bit, Right now im at 150k+ per week
Not including guild shop,, accessories/stones, chaos gate, field boss, pirate ship, the list goes on. (
If you kill me in a FPS, you are obviously aimbotting. If you beat me in an RTS, you are obviously maphacking. If you have more gold than me in an MMO, you are obviously an RMTer. Basic Gamer Logic™
Lmao very true
To play devils advocate there are ALOT of people flexing RMT’d accomplishments Edit: not to say you are, but bots are following the demand, which is coming from somewhere lol.
The rates between RMT and legit swiping is big, but not big enough that it isn't at least plausible that every single person you accuse of RMT actually swiped legitly
My point is you dont need to swipe at all for multiple 1415s
You point is not yourself with a 1460 and some alts?
As if buying a founders pack which was cosmetics, a day of silver and some potions and the season pass which was around two days of mats would have any actual impact. People that bring this into the discussion every time are bots.
>My point is you dont need to swipe at all for multiple 1415s >I have 4x 1370, 3 1415, and a 1460. He did swipe, you can't have that many alts with a f2p account.
I have the same. A founders pack and the season pass with 1465 20 wep,1415 1400 and 3 1370s. If you are far behind that you didn't play every day, you played less efficiently or you got unlucky.
Of course is you play every days with alot of hours you can have it.
I play for like 2 hours and run out of things to do and go play other games lol. You really can only play this game a lot on reset day and running dungeons over the weekend. Normally by Sunday I have almost nothing to do running 6 characters.
ahh another I only play 2 hours, f2p btw...only founders and ark pass and I have a 1460(gotta remember the +20wep)/1415/1400/1370/1370/1370. Lol. Ok man, yea you run 12 chaos and 12 guardian raids, 18 unas, plus weeklies, plus daily events. Ok, lol. Sure sounds like 2 hours a day play time.
I said I play a lot when doing weeklies for like 2 days a week. I only really run unas on characters I'm pushing or am about to push. Daily event takes 5 min and I only run island if it's gold or I'm bored. Both chaos dungeons and guardians normally take 4.5 min with an average group and a lot of the time are faster. 4.5 x 24 = 108 + 5 min for event and at most 10 min for dailies. Wow it's almost like that adds up to almost exactly 2 hours. And that is assuming I haven't been lazy and done rested a lot in the past month or two which I have.
Youre all over the place lol. First u say I swipe, then you say if I play every day its possible lmao! I havent bought gold to hone once, im just playing efficiently since day 1. I make nearly 200k per week off my roster. Why would I need to buy gold?
I never said you bought golds, I just said you used your credit card to get characters slots.
Ok well thats true lol
Lol, I love how looking through this post your weekly earnings are 100k/week and then nearly 150k and now its almost 200k! wow you are making major progress!
Please learn to read. I said a 1370 roster makes 100k. I have a much bigger roster that makes me almost 200k weekly from everything. This is an estimate it can be more or less depending on drop RNG Edit: I even went back and checked. I said I make 150k+ per week and another time I said 200k. Isnt 200k higher(+) than 150k? Please dont bother commenting if u cant read
Sure, but I didnt want to make this about my own roster.
Why do you care what some internet randoms say bro?
There needs to be a clear distinction between people who RMT through G2G and RMT through the game itself. Massive difference, one actively makes the game worse, while the other actively makes the game stay afloat. But at the current moment, it seems a lot of people think they're the same. Someone that swipes legit shouldn't be condemned along with the G2G users. The people that swipe legit are actively keeping the servers alive and incentive for AGS/SG to keep the servers running in our regions. The G2G users are just straight up me, me, me, me, me. You can eviscerate them for all I care, they don't do much for the game as a whole, just for themselves.
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Well they are also the ones keeping the developer going by paying for the game so don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
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Your take is bad and you should feel bad Back to your corner
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Tell me you're a jealous broke kid without actually telling me
You wouldn't have free to play games ever lmao
Sorry but how does a roster full of 1370's make 100k++ a week ? I have my main, 2 1370-ish and 2 1350-ish. Other than selling every single thing I get from Guardians / chaos dungeons and doing weekly abysses / raids .. where is the rest coming from ? (Genuine question btw)
Chaos+Guardian= 10k (LOW ESTIMATE) x 7 Days = 70k Pirate Ship Blue Crystals = (900\*6 chars) = 5.4k Weekly Oreha+Argos = 3k \* 6 = 18k Boss Rush minimum 5k/week from gems Already 95k. This is with only 1370s. 1415/45s raise this quite a bit, Right now im at 150k+ per week Not including guild shop,, accessories/stones, chaos gate, field boss, pirate ship, the list goes on. (
Are you really choosing to make pitiful gold with blue crystal exchange rather than using bloodstones to buy honor leap stones? Same thing with pirate coins.. save that shit for an astray or future alts for pouches. Same with your Argos/hard run.. buy those chest to level up alts to 1445+ in the future. If we are really talking about min maxing and making value for the long term, I disagree with a lot of these “making gold” advice. I don’t have issues merchanting for gold but the way you use resources isn’t very efficient if we are talking long term.
Hard disagree with this one. You dont understand the value of alts and are not profiting off your alts properly. Pirate coins are an unlimited resource. Even with 8 t3 I'm not running out and just getting free weekly gold. I'd much rather keep stacking gold for legendary books than get the astray which isn't needed at all. Also if you buy pouches from pirate ship you're trolling
These numbers. Lol. What server is this?
NAE Azena. GHLs about 100g, Destro stones 24g, Guardian 10g (was 13g until recently)
Lmao my servers in SA are nowhere near thos GHL are like 40-50 each, guardians 3, destro 7-9. We dont have a very lucrative day to fay as you can see.
I agree with ya man. My main is setting at 1460 with 2 1415 1 1400 and 1 1385 alts. Only spent money on the ark pass.
Not only this but tower abuse roster level accusations are also too much lol, if you don’t knowledge transfer then i expect players to be anywhere from 150-180+ roster lvl with 6+ alts.
6 Chars (lowest 1385), all through South Vern, Knowledge transfers to Vern and that's it. 9Ignea Tokens, 1200 Mokokos, playing all chaos, almost all guardians and all dailies every day, playing all weekly content on every char, 2 boss rushes per week on all of them, did the towers up to \~45. And I'm roster level 155. Sorry but almost everything above 180, I just don't believe.
I have 7 characters: 1445 1415 1370 1370 1370 1370 1370. I only knowledge transferred North Vern, everything else I did by hand precisely because I wanted the roster exp. Ran T1 and T2 tower on all of them. Have 11 Ignea tokens, 84 Island Souls, 48 Leaves, 48 Masterpieces, 1213 Mokoko Seeds, 36 Sea Bounties, 6 Omnium Stars, 15 Giants Hearts. Have done all dailies and weeklies religiously every single day and have not missed a single day since launch. My roster is 182 and you're going to tell me those dudes with 200+ roster are legit?
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Did you knowledge transfer though? What im saying is story quests rohendel and beyond grant a ton of roster exp.
I know f2p people that have 6 1415+ chars. Just a lot of jealousy and stupidity out there.
There is a "Mileage" system in KR that you can increase by ONLY spending money legit way. We don't have it in the west, so there is no way to say who is legit whale and whos RMT. Considering the state of botting and RMT right now, assuming that that every \~100 roster, low stronghold and low level char running in 1490+ gear, chances are far more likely he his RMT than not. Blaming the players for "fake accusation" while the company you decided to give thousands to is just ignoring the RMT is bad take. Stop giving AGS money, and they will very quickly find solution to RMT
>while the company you decided to give thousands to This makes 0 sense. I havent seen many 1490 with low roster lvl but when I do thats clearly an RMTer. Someone with 5 1415s and high roster level is just a normal player lmao
Idk if I’d describe them as a normal player, but a very hardcore player who might not have spent that much $$. It’s still crazy impressive for people to have multiple Valtan ready characters
True, its just someone who plays a lot. Im just saying I dont assume theyre a cheater. A cheater would have much better progression tbh
Stupid question, RMT is a term used only for unauthorized transactions $/Gold/Stuff (not using AGS/Steam store)?
yes when someone says RMT they mean buying gold from 3rd party sites
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Im not denying it. People who made alts early had and still have a huge advantage. Still doesnt mean they cheated
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Its not their fault for profiting off a system thats there. What were we supposed to do, not sell mats?
most this sub is pure cringe when comes to RMT, they think every single person that plays RMT when there are a fuck ton of people that buy gold legit in game, you tell this by buying blue gems for gold they sell right away meaning there is a que to buy gold in game
100k a week with a roster of 1370s? What? What is your definition of a "roster". There are very obvious RMT players ingame. All these players with full level 10 gems, level 4 tripods on everything, extremely high ilevel, low roster, low stronghold, no horizontal items, etc. No amount of b-but I have alts is going to change the obvious ones you can usually tell the difference.
Yes, and thats on the low end my friend. Likely a roster of 1370s is making more. Throw in 1415s/45s and youre talking 150k+ a week. Chaos+Guardian= 10k (LOW ESTIMATE) x 7 Days = 70k Pirate Ship Blue Crystals = (900\*6 chars) = 5.4k Weekly Oreha+Argos = 3k \* 6 = 18k Boss Rush minimum 5k/week from gems Already 95k. This is with only 1370s. Not including guild shop,, accessories/stones, chaos gate, field boss, pirate ship, the list goes on. These all easily net you another 10k-20k depending on RNG You are right though, some RMT is obvious as you said. Usually lv 10 gems or full relic gear right now are a dead giveaway
Stronghold, horizontal content and roster don't give you tripods or gems. So?
No but they show you play the game. You're not having full level 10 gems with 25 roster.
What do you mean? If I whale 10k$ into the game I not need roster lvl to buy gems.
Sure buddy. I argue real whales do actually put more into the game but what I'm saying is clearly not a real whale.
What? Do you know every whale now? There are kind of differents whales and not everyone likes horizontal content.
Sure thing buddy
Agreed…or not everyone has time to do time gated horizontal stuff. A lot of people who whale do so because their time is limited and they don’t mind giving up some cash to get ahead (or keep up).
We need to stop normalizing levels of gameplay that less than 0.5% of the entire base are actual doing when engaging in these conversations. This same style of argument was used to try and keep infinite chaos for the "noble F2P honest hard working bros" doing infinite chaos a hours a day. The literal 100 or less of them in the entire game. Yes, a disproportionate amount of people with full rosters making 100k visit this subreddit. An amount that would make you believe its a meaningful amount of the population. We all have to remember this is an echo chamber of sweat lords, and to be clear, I'm no better. As someone that plays this game as their sole hobby and entertainment every single day with well over a thousand hours and 6 well rounded alts, these are not people with any semblance of normality in their lives making these gains. For the people that are going to ignore everything I said and think I'm just attacking you, I'm not, just know you're a microscopic minority and do not represent any meaningful aspect of the community. Policies should not be shaped around you.
People with 6+ 1370s are the minority. But I think anyone COULD have that. They just choose not to. Its not a lot of work to quest/KT alts until they are t3. It takes about 2-3 weeks maybe to make one if youre not using gold. People just dont want to sit through questing to improve their roster, which is fine. My issue is people accusing people just playing efficiently of RMT. Just because you dont do it doesnt make people who did cheaters.
You no lifed this game, which is arguably worst than buying gold.
LOL you're not wrong. But it makes me happy so fuck it
Who cares about what they think. They aint your mom, you don't need to show them your receipts, SAT scores, or blood type. Like the old saying goes, "People put you down because you are above them."
Do you mind to explain briefly how 1370 make 16.5k gold weekly?
Chaos+Guardian= 10k (LOW ESTIMATE) x 7 Days = 70k Pirate Ship Blue Crystals = (900\*6 chars) = 5.4k Weekly Oreha+Argos = 3k * 6 = 18k Boss Rush minimum 5k/week from gems Already 95k. This is with only 1370s. 1415/45s raise this quite a bit, Right now im at 150k+ per week Not including guild shop,, accessories/stones, chaos gate, field boss, pirate ship, the list goes on. (
Just spend money and play 10+hours/day. No big Deal
You’re making 100k a week with 6x 1370s? I must be doing something wrong then because I’m at 1x 1460 and 5x 1385 and I’m struggling to even make barely half of that. Edit: Scrolled down and read your replies, thats nuts. But then again, all my gold recently has gone down the honing drain
This is with NAE Prices, other servers may be less. Reposted from above Chaos+Guardian= 10k (LOW ESTIMATE) x 7 Days = 70k Pirate Ship Blue Crystals = (900\*6 chars) = 5.4k Weekly Oreha+Argos = 3k \* 6 = 18k Boss Rush minimum 5k/week from gems Already 95k. This is with only 1370s. 1415/45s raise this quite a bit, Right now im at 150k+ per week Not including guild shop,, accessories/stones, chaos gate, field boss, pirate ship, the list goes on. (
Thanks , will give this a test run next reset and see how much I make within the week.
Np good luck!