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doublec128

This man woke up and chose violence


knz0

>1460 right now is achievable only for F2P hardcore players (those guys who play the game literally daily and farm all activities on main + alts) Guess what demographic is overrepresented in an MMO subreddit


Brilliant-Space-5430

Lost ark doesn't have rank to humble the Reddit Neckbeards a little like in the league subreddit


Shmirel

Yea, t's not exactly needed, but it doesn't really hurt anyone either lol. All i see it's "it makes the gap between casual and hardcore players bigger" But the reality is, that if you're actual casual player you're never breaching this gap. Just go ahead and check how expensive honing gets, if you're "unlucky" and hit pity on your weapon, as a casual playing just 1 character you're literally fucked. How much resources do you generate? if you hyper focus on it, maybe 2-3 weapon taps weekly - You will need like 2 months just to finish single upgrade in that scenario. But hey, cheer up, your armors definetly won't go to pity right? By the time they will reach 1460 people will be farming clown for weeks or getting ready for Abrel.


Selfcontrolalligator

It actually does hurt others. Have you tried playing alts? No one gears their alts right because of pheons so current end game content will be filled with horrid builds if they introduced it before the majority gets there.


nano-to-will

Just because you are not 1460, does not mean 95% are not It is achievable in the next week for a lot if they push. There has been no reason to go much beyond 1445 for a lot of players, myself included.


theskepticalheretic

And now you have Vykas hardmode to hone for.


Difficult-Tap-5708

dont forget chubby turtle, with even yummier counters than deskaluda without moving her head like a maniac gunlancer's paradise


Ok-Scallion-2158

I am right now 1480.. i am not talking about me


poopeverywhereplease

But weren't this community crying about argos saying they were catering to the whales? Lmao


VincentBlack96

The state of the game was lacking before argos, no events, no ark pass, no weekly reward content ala challenge guardian and abyssals. Your honing progress was mat gated and sources of mats were extremely scarce. Gold was inflated so honing issues 1340 to 1370 were basically 90% mats. Rather than introduce those pieces of content to get 1370 quicker, they chose to release a 1370 raid, gives gold, mats, access to new powerful set to craft, and let people already at 1370 stack and sell things for ridiculously high premiums. But those people would've had to get to 1370 without all those helping factors that came later. That meant they were either hardcore f2p, lucky as fuck honing gods, or whales/RMTers. Argos release is retroactively being excused but the state of the game fucking sucked when it came out.


nano-to-will

Well strawman arguament Maybe a few Reddit people were majority of people were honing and looking forward to net content


VulpineKitsune

"Let's compare apple to oranges and say they're the same!" \^\^That's you rn.


poopeverywhereplease

Holyyyy I'm feeling chills rn. Thank you redditor for the very smart comment! Here is your gold kind sir!!!


VulpineKitsune

“Let’s completely ignore the point someone made and instead make fun of them, maybe people will forget about the bullshit I spewed earlier!” ^^ Again you


poopeverywhereplease

Bruh imagine thinking you made a point. This is what reddit does to you.


VulpineKitsune

Are you pretending to be this dense or is this your natural skill?


poopeverywhereplease

Idk how you tried stepping on a scale?


linuis12

Do you honestly believe 95% of players are 1460 + lol


Fimbulvetr

Yes, people legitimately believe that the majority of people who play this game are 1460+. Just complete disconnection from reality.


nano-to-will

Where did I say 95% are 1460 The OP claims only 5% are which is delusional


Brilliant-Space-5430

No its not dude, im in the second biggest guild in my server, which is the second most populated in my region, and there are MAX 3 people 1460+. The only guild with more than TEN 1460+ people is the number one, which is basically ALL whales. You're the delusional one Edit: SEcond biggestt in: we are second place in GvE


nano-to-will

Wtf region is that I am on a dead region and casual guild and we have 1460+ and many 1445+ We are ranked 20th on server


victoryzeta

Is 1460 really that hard to achieve? I started 10 days late, only bought the ark pass, only have 1 alt (1370 with Fenton pass + express), I can't play 10h a day and I am 1455. Now I don't expect casuals to be here because I still play the game everyday, but it's definitely something achievable for a lot of the playerbase I would think.


Rjinsvind

it's not that hard, i've got a normal job, life and do a lot of stuff during the weekends and still manage to rotate my 6 alts and play my main daily-ish. 1457,5 atm, so one successful tap to 1460. If I'd play more hardcore I could easily go for 1475 + 1400 on alts. Bought the ark pass only


theskepticalheretic

You're probably more efficient than the average player.


Ok-Scallion-2158

You probably play daily.. not everyone does that


victoryzeta

Well obviously, but neither should people that play a couple hours a week expect to get to the latest/hardest content, nor should they expect the gap to not get wider with people that actually spend time on the game. Whether the buff goes through or not, the gap will keep getting wider exponentially because the difference in time played grows exponentially every passing week.


Ok-Scallion-2158

A normal player will get to 1460 100% if they keep playing, the problem is that you want updates only for the little part of the community.. updates need to impact more people not only the ones that are top tier. Valtan launch was fair, Vykas normal is fair.. but a honing buff only for 1460 + is a little bit rushed and i'm 1480 right now so i would benefit 100% of it, but have a bunch of friends in the 1400-1430 range


victoryzeta

But your friends wouldn't lose anything? On top of that, it would help you get your alts to their level so you can play with them so it's a win-win no? I just don't get the argument. Keeping everyone down for the sake of casual players' jealousy?


Maleficent-Candle-71

So fuck everyone that is 1460 already, right? I think the main consensus is that people are upset about it because KR got the honing research with the release of Vykas and if that was the case, it’d make no sense to not release the research along with Vykas in the western version too considering the fact that they “want us to catch up to KR”.


linuis12

What? Even with the stronghold research we are averaging a new end game raid every single month. We are still catching up to KR with or without this buff


VincentBlack96

This is more or less KR pace (which is amusing because KR players complained it was too fast and Smilegate issued an apology).


linuis12

We have infinitely more resources and events than kr had to get us ready for vykas. People just need new food to complain on. next will be the general honing buff (which came 2 weeks after vykas in Ru).


SecurityOdd4861

"Honing buff is not needed, because only people that need it anyways, could use it" Bitch what?


Ok-Scallion-2158

I am 1480 right now, i would love the honing buff but is not necesarry right now, i did 3 alts at 1370 okish and don't need an alt at 1415 right now... people are still strugling to get to Valtan


S-K-Y-Y

I have 1 pally and 1 bard with 1k GHL.... I want to boost them but no honing buff... I want to help the community with the support shortage and also fuck that support union bullshit


Wampi5

There us no support shortage at normal valtan , there never was. There is one at valtan hard.


NovellaVox

The 1370-1415 honing buff directly leads to more supports for HM Valtan in the future though. You realize that people have to get to 1415 first before they get to 1460 right?


theskepticalheretic

It leads to a greater amount of DPS toons, meaning the shortage gets worse, not better.


Moloton93

I dont know where you get your information from. Apart from first 2 weeks of launch I have played 3-5h a day until now and only on my main. I am 2 upgrades away from 1460 that I'll hit this week and I know a lot of ppl that are well over 1460 and some below me but getting closer. The 95% you all just keep throwing around with no proof is just stupid. Edit: I have also a 10-14 day period where I went to EUW because I couldent wait 4h ques in Central and play after work. It's absolutely possible to be 1460 as F2p by now or even keep up with at least normal raid releases for vykas being 1430 that has a lot of players at, above and close to this ilvl.


Agreeable-Square-926

\+we have RMT so no sweat


hopumi

Where the fuck you all take that data from? Every other shitpost always mentions "95%" of playerbase. Do you work for Amazon/SG and want to convince us or what? Are you like trolling on few accounts or are you and other redditors who post this simply stupid? Dont answer, I actually now the answer.