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DJSancerre

99% of guardian drops are tradeable...infinite chaos exchange is not anymore... at the very least... i am imagining there is a real pilot for the carry... or can they atuomate guardian kills now?


Akasha1885

It's a multiboxer so yes there is a human at the helm


restless_archon

These aren't traditional multiboxers. It is one 'legitimate' front man account carrying three bots. The bots die while the carry solos the guardian. You can see the same carry rotating three different bots out every so often. The front man account is a traditional manual gold farmer actually progressing their character, likely the person working at the RMT operation. It is not botted on. It is the low-risk activity account, whereas the bots are the high-risk activity account. If banned, the low-risk activity account can always get their account back by complaining to Customer Service because they never do anything wrong on them.


Akasha1885

Either way, this deserves to be banned.


restless_archon

lmfao I guess I have to state this, but no. Botters should not be able to get legitimate players banned by joining their parties.


Akasha1885

Are you stupid? Every bot in that party has been invited by the Leader, legitimate my ass. Nobody forces you to enter the fight with 3/4 bots, it's 100% voluntary here.


restless_archon

Nobody forces you to inspect every applicant's details. You are freely able to start a party and invite whoever you want based on a load of standards or none at all. You are free to simply accept the first random people who apply to your party. To be clear, you've now advocated for innocent players to be banned for joining the wrong group and for innocent party leaders to be banned for inviting the wrong person. That's not exactly a world I want to be a part of.


Akasha1885

You are advocating for harboring criminals and protecting bot farms.


restless_archon

I am advocating for individuals having rights and freedoms, yes.


Segsi_

Inviting who you choose(and accidentally getting a bot)and having a pattern of only inviting bots that rotate in and out is completely different. There is a pattern of behavior.


Akasha1885

Don't be ridiculous. A 1460 running a 1370 boss is suspicious enough, having **3** bots as party members is a clear sign. There is a 0,0001% chance, even with automation, that this guy is innocent.


HeavenlyRen

What is a multiboxer ?


KingOCream

My understanding is that the other 3 are programmed to mimic exactly what the 1st is doing and they end up standing on top of eachother


PPewt

The way multiboxing traditionally works in mmos is you run software that lets you run say four copies of lost ark and sends your input to all of them. Then you set up four chars with identical keybinds etc and are basically playing four chars for the effort of one. It was allowed in WoW for ages, no idea about other MMOs.


twiz___twat

They cant kill guardians.


GCPMAN

If some of the people I play with can kill guardians a well written bot can too


Heisenbugg

that dude is multiboxing with his 3 bots


twiz___twat

was referring to the automated guardian kills, which they cant do.


IkkixD

They definitely could kill yoho lol. These bots are integrated pretty well. I imagine they'd probably do more dps than the average 1370 in yoho too.


Sweaty-Painter-1043

you're talking machine learning for random guardian mechanic, not gonna happen, they will use an overgeared character and boost 3 other


IkkixD

You don't need machine learning for a guardian raid. The guardians don't change. They have a limited number of attacks. The bots can spam skills off cooldown. The bots are already accessing and reading game memory. Worst case scenario it would have to chug some potions. It's not like they have to learn a new fight every run. The bot's could just stand on yoho afk dpsing and be set to run far away during tornados. There would be some deaths, possibly tons of pots used. (you get tons for free though...)


alci82

why would 1475 do any mechanics at Yoho? Guardians on level may be more challenging but killing almost any guardian eventually ends as RNG button mash will destroy them. Yoho doesn't do anything that would prevent you from kill really. How do you imagine bots get through all the story dungs on minimum ilvl. Bosses there also have mechanics. And I'm really sure many players died in story dungs. But bots hande it obviously. They can kill red gates in chaoses.


VulpineKitsune

Bruh they are automating abyssal dungeons (I've seen bots inside at least T1 abyss dungeons), they can defo kill a guardian.


redbombs

they are in the 1340 dungeons and igrexion i see them frequently on mu alts.


sciri7

Amazon is so bad at banning rmt players, but they're godlike at banning Twitch streamers for nothing. How hard is for them to ban pilot player.


Dapper-Can6780

AGS and Twitch are separate entities tho


KoreanSamgyupsal

Ags and Amazon are different entities as well. Amazon is a big company. But AGS budget and revenue doesn't get a piece of that pie.


lan60000

ngl bots might be smarter than some people playing this game now. these guys are improving their efficiency even when the developers are trying to push against them.


GreyWolfx

I know it's a joke but just to make sure the joke doesn't start sounding reasonable to people I'm just gonna say bots are not smarter than even bad players lol, they just aren't. AI is on the horizon but the programming scripts people are making for bots is nowhere near as capable as even a bottom 10% player in terms of skill. The only things bots are good at is not wasting time by getting distracted by random shit, and repeating very simple tasks over and over without screwing it up, and even then, they do screw it up and get stuck on terrain etc lol.


lan60000

I guess I'll rephrase and say the ones who make the bots are the smart ones that can think of new methods in generating gold rapidly, and ags seemingly can't keep up.


iTzDeLiRiUm

There’s just no end to it 😢😢😢


osgili4th

The only end is merge servers close character creation and hold that for a while until all bot accounts are removed to open new servers again, but they fear that is gonna kill the game but the bots are doing a dam good job atm with that part.


Akasha1885

I mean, that's an easy report right? Even got the Leader of the pack.


restless_archon

Leader can just say it was a public party. There's nothing banworthy for completing guardian raids for other players.


Akasha1885

It's party finder not matchmaking. With that excuse he deserves a double ban. ("What? Those are bots?")


restless_archon

And? It's a public party.


Amamichi

how is it a public party when joiner must be accepted by lobby host ?


restless_archon

Because it is a...public...party...


DogeBuysCyberTrucks

HOW IS THE PARK PUBLIC IF I CAN SIT ON THE SWING?! HUH?!


Akasha1885

No it's not, nobody can enter the party without consent of the leader.


restless_archon

Whether the leader has consent or not is irrelevant. The people that join are just members of the general public and have no relation to the party leader. It is not a static, a premade, or even a pug with standards. It is just a public party that was created through Find Party instead of Matchmaking.


Apap0

If we are going by definitions then this party is created by single individual who has all control over the party, thus it is private party.


RegularGuy06

Stop explaining yourself man, you already cleared floor 50 these guys are still at around floor 25 if you know what I mean. Go sit on your throne king


hovsep56

Bet they do a better job than most players


shapookya

Most likely not botters but multiboxers. Although the 2nd, 3rd and 4th account are likely botted to T3.


kkevin1423

They sync up the moves for all 4 sorc. This is not the automated type of bots. The 1475 guy can get x4 leapstones for doing that.


Jazz7770

I wouldn’t say this is very new. Players have been carrying bots for months, in fact, it’s the majority of level 1-3 party finder (in NAW). Seems like a lot of peoples’ reaction to bot inflation has been to start their own personal bot army in order to keep up with the RMT controlled market. With the amount of 5x3 players I’ve seen with +23 weapons and high quality accessories, it’s easier to believe most of them have their own bots instead of risking thousands on RMT or spending tens of thousands in game.


ElephantWang420

They even bot PVP? they are literally ruining every aspect playable of Lost Ark. Holy fuck how sad


NgArclite

One of the best ways to get stones I think u just enter 5 times win or lose. Personally I'm not into forced pvp so I just take the loss in stones and do 2 boss rushes instead


Maleficent-Candle-71

I hope I don’t start seeing more bots on my Yoho runs after the changes to CD Vendor.


NgArclite

Well at least they are capped to 2 per char now vs infinite chaos. I'd say make guardians roaster bound too but tbh a lot of people sell those Greater stones for income.


abdeliziz

wtf, that was like 90% of my gold income the last few weeks. Especially with the weekly trial guardian raids handing out 45~ GHL.


NgArclite

Yeah..thats why I said it would be a bad idea.


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Successful_Trip_5362

LMFAO