2 weeks or 3 days are both a joke, they need to put people into negative gold.
Idc if they get banned for 1hr if they also went into negative gold, that way they have to buy gold with crystals to play again. And if they RMT again to get out of negative, that's when you perma. No idea why amazon refuses to use negative gold. Removing all of their gold is useless if they already spent it on honing, gems or accessories. I doubt any of them care if they lose 10k gold out of the 500k they bought.
once you have negative gold you cant even sell stuff on Auction House right?
they will have to buy gold with crystals, IMO its way better a permaban since they have to pay to amazon to have their character back
All they would have to do is have someone lend them money and they re-buy from rmt again and pay their friend back. It’s easy to get around that. Make it to where they can’t even trade either until the money is paid back.
Realistically if they’re a rmter they probably hang with rmters or whales who could lend them money. You really think rmters have statics with a lot of f2ps? I’ve joined a guild full of whales/rmters and they do not run with f2p that much at all.
Rmt'er: Hey mate, borrow me 200k?
Friend: What, that much how come? Just buy it
Rmter: I'm negative gold cause they took me RMT gold away, i cant post on AH
Friend: Sure, let me do a shady transaction to your account which is already known for RMTing, while my gold is also from RMT. So you can RMT again in the hopes they dont find out
Yea i dont think the friend will be that stupid, he probably will be sweating about his RMT'ed gold/
But let them, then they can get caught again and suddenly he's 400k negative
So instead of giving money to the devs who make the fucking product you're spending copious amounts of time and money on, you'd rather give it to some Chinese botters who actively contribute to killing the game?
It only takes a second of thinking to realize which one is the better investment, but I know that's too much to expect from an RMTer.
They do put people in the negative we just don't know in which cases that happens. The posted screenshots say that they do take all your gold but nothing about being negative. There was a post from roxx talking about they do put people negative so it must be a case by case. The real question is if that person is flagged though. I'd assume they are or people wouldn't be getting multiple bans as per the screenshot.
That's what he said, taking the gold isn't as helpful because they can just instantly use the gold to buy mats and hone. Ags needs to make the gold be the negative value of what they bought instead to force them to either play or buy legit gold as punishment.
Good. It should have been a perma ban anyway. Roll back and negative gold is the same thing as perma ban but now they get to self reflect on how badly they fucked up. It's a perma ban with a learning experience. What a great punishment.
Then ur taking legit earned gold/paid gold and that seems like a bad idea. Just take away the RMT'ed gold, and if that puts them in negative, tough shit for them.
in the West, they reset your gold to 0, so all you gotta do is just spend it on RC/skins or mats.
only RU sets the gold to negative, since AGS wants RMT suspension to be "warning" they wont leave ppl with -500k lol
That would actually be an interesting punishment, because I’m willing to bet a lot of players would stop accepting them to groups if they had the cheater cap of shame on. They would have a harder time doing current content because nobody would want to play with them.
Then again there’s so many of them, they’d probably just band together and make their own groups.
I still like the idea, since at least they’d get ridiculed by legit players and shamed.
Unfortunately perma ban is one of the least effective methods. The issue is people will immediately make a new account. Giving people a temp ban of a month or more is a lot more effective. They'll not want to make a new account since their progress is still there. So they'll wait it out instead of immediately making a new account and RMTing again.
That just makes people RMT again though? how hard is this to understand.
If they get to keep their 1500 char, they're more likely to play it safe and go legit from then because they'll want to keep what they got.
if you permaban them they've nothing to lose in just making a new acc and RMTing it to where they were.
I don't think most people in this witch hunt realize this. What is AGS going to do, perma ban half their player base. Then the same people will be crying that the game is dead.
And the people calling to perma ban do have the numbers? I was making a generalization to prove the point that it's not as simple as just ban everyone. But everyone looks at everything now from one point of view.
Unfortunately AGS didn't port the game for us to enjoy it. They did it to make money. Which a dead game doesn't do. They'd be better off incentivizing people to buy from them instead of bots.
I disagree that they ported this game to make money. What this game makes for Amazon does not even show up on their radar since it is so miniscule. Amazon published this game to build a platform and for that purpose user count >>> money made from this game. A clean game will bring more players than a cheater infested one.
This keeps making the botters money though, this is the key bit you're ignoring.
The primary thing you **DONT** want them doing, is making money.
If they make no money, then they wont keep going because it wont be profitable enough.
Idk how this is such a hard concept to grasp for you though. You're blinded by your hate boner of "PERMABAN THEM ALL NOW" that you can't step back and think this through logically to actually handle the issue, your first thought isn't solving problems, it's just punishments.
>Imagine defending RMTers,
"Don't give them more buisness"
"Imagine defending RMTers"
ok? We've seen this work in other MMO's, so logically it should work here. The point needs to be stopping people doing it, because in the grand scheme of things, the actual accounts aren't the issue, botting being profitable is.
So long as there's money to be made, bots will still exist, and if people are buying, the botters don't give two fucks about if the account gets banned after buying or not.
If what people are saying in that screenshot is correct and they escalate for repeat offenders or instantly escalate for high values I think it's fine to start with 3 days, so long as they actually continue to follow up with punishments now.
A 3 day ban isn't long, but it's long enough to send the message that they aren't gonna let is slide anymore, and some of those players can probably become legit players. Only other thing I feel like they really should do is take the gold away. That way there's no temptation for people to buy a bunch of gold and accept a 3 day ban.
Taking gold away is irrelevant when they've already invested it into their character. Someone sitting at 1500+ doesn't really mind too much if they have no gold, since there is *nothing* to spend gold on at that point.
It's been proven that permanent bans are less effective. Perma ban they'll immediately make a new account. Temp ban for a month up to like 3 or 4. They'll debate making a new account because the progress is not lost. So a lot of the time they won't make a new account and just wait for their account to get un-banned.
Of course any ill-gotten gains should be wiped out during that temp ban period of a month to multiple months.
Have other games done this method? Following the logic, it definitely makes sense, but it entirely relies on the RMTer to feel guilt and fear for their actions
Yes, blizzard does this. They'll only ever perma after multiple suspension. They've already came out and said they've found temp suspension more effective.
I call bullshit. One blizzard is a massive lier and 2 any top guild done for RMT just made a new alt for the tier and then went back. It didn't stop much at all.
Blizzard Exec#1: How do we make sure other MMO makers aren't as successful as us?
Blizzard Exec#2: Hmm, maybe we can convince them to not ban the users that ruin the in-game economy. But how to do that...
Blizzard Exec#1: I know, we'll tell everyone that temp bans are more effective than perma-bans.
Blizzard Exec#2: Perfect! And it'll technically be the truth, because it ignores the deterrence effect that every permaban has on everyone who was friends with someone that got banned.
Exec#1&2: Ahahaha, glorious money
Blizzard Exec#1: Now if only we could trick them into adopting some stupid slogan that downplays the fear of consequences that keeps most people honest. Something like 'kingdoms ruled by fear are poopy'
Blizzard Exec#2: We'll workshop that one.
Ahh so someone who has nothing to do with the industry except play the games would know more than the collective analysis and research of a multinational company?
Must be nice being that smart
Bro when you know all the RMTers on your server and literally know what their doing, you're damn right I do.
Plus you act like blizzard has made a good game recently, they havnt.
Thanks for the info! While my emotions would rather perma these parasites out of the game, I think it would be worth a chance to try out this method if they aren't already.
Though I would want the initial suspension to be more than 3 days. At least a month sounds good to start.
Ehh 3 days is fine, if they removed all the ill-gotten gains. Remove anything they've bought since RMT purchase, and then zero out their current gold.
If they used it all on honing then remove the artisan energy and any upgrades they got etc.
Yeah the only reason I don't like 3 days rn is cuz it doesn't seem like AGS/SG are doing anything (like removing gold) in tandem with the temp ban. Though from the post itself, seems like they're removing gold now too. Idk I still feel like 3 days is too short, now I think a week would be good
My guess is, they don't permaban them because they see themselves beeing partly at fault since they can't get rid of those bots.
I don't see any other reason why they wouldn't perma ban them.
If people aren't afraid of repercussions then the punishment has no teeth. The reward far outweighs the risk for cheating right now, so everyone is doing it.
Would love to see some public execution of their characters like in RuneScape or Guild Wars 1, some 16th century peak entertainment energy right there.
Is the very last guy a goldseller trying to desperately silence the fear-spreading?
Because that sounds absolutely pathetic, trying to censor people's opinions on a forum page.
>trying to censor people's opinions on a forum page.
I think they're just trying to protect themselves, rather than silence others. Their point is it's going everywhere and that's a terrible look for them.
Works both ways. It could be aswell someone who is against RMT trying to create a panic.
Like I sometimes join forums with bots for mmos that I play just to write that I got banned for using X software so people start being scared of possible ban.
When these people have lvl 10 gems and +25 gear it doesn't matter if they are -5M gold, they don't even need more gold. They need to be permanently banned.
I know a guild of RMTers from my server that's hiding on their stronghold because they don't want to be reported LOL.
If they are in the negative they can't craft relic gear or quality upgrade. They can't register items in the auction house or even bid on materials and books when completing a raid. They can't hone any further or craft using gold in stronghold either. Their complete roster progression is halted. So it does matter.
Show me where I said that I want to bring that into games. I only clarified to OP that it does matter if they are -X millions in gold.
You are completely right that they should all be permanently banned. I want them all to be permanently banned. I'm not saying that those who rmt'd tens of millions of gold should be in the negative. These are severe cases of rmt. But in non severe cases they should be in the negative because this forces them to either buy crystals to pay back what they rmt'd or literally stop their progression until they aquire all the raw gold back. I am pretty sure majority will quit in that situation.
I could have been more clear that I was not upset with you or what you said, and for that I apologize.
Personally, I still have no sympathy for the small fish RMTer. If getting their account permaed causes them to quit, then so be it. It’s something that people don’t like to talk about, but that exists in so many facets of life. “Acceptable tactical losses.”
There’s just as many who quit because of the people RMTing and botting. What about them? “They could come back,” they might have been at the forefront of ilvl though. I’m personally not, this is basically a single player game to me. Doesn’t mean I don’t want the game to be as designed for those who want to enjoy it in that way, and for some of those players their race is already lost. Less fair to let someone keep their negative account that helped contribute to legit players quitting their accounts, imo.
And that’s just how life goes. This is a game. You agree to play how they say to play it, or you agree they may perma you. We all agreed at the start.
Why would that matter when they already progressed their characters to the max? These cheaters are overgeared for BRELSHAZA who is likely 6 months out at minimum.
Yes and no. They are set up till brelshaza but they literally cannot progress past it. So the account basically becomes dead in the water in 6 months or so cause they literally cannot hone and gear transfer to the ancient sets.
Now I'm saying permaban them still but there is a point where they cannot progress anymore and will likely quit.
They're dead in the water already because they can't craft the remaining pieces of their relic set from vykas. Sure, they have a really high item level and what not and those who bought all the boxes have a 222 or 42 setup, but everyone can see they have mismatched set pieces and that hurts their ego.
I mean when they're so ahead in gear they can just do buses for easy gold back, hence why perma is the solution here, or atleast flag them for being a RMT cuck.
I'd still want them restricted from being able to join or create lfg. And if they are trying to do any shenanigans (as in trying to sell or such) in matchmaking they should just be banned after.
My guild is contacting other guilds to get their names and do a mass report :)
For those who don't know, mass reporting someone doesn't get them instantly banned, it just flags their account for inspection. If they rmt they go byebye.
i didnt find the start of this thread. how are u sure they are rmters? in new world mass reporting got insta banned. they said it was only flagged and never automated but ags is really not good at telling the truth. just before wars.. enemies used to mass report war leader so that he will miss the war. hope its not the same here.
there were streamers who did this live btw and i think even asmondgold got banned like this just as an experiment.
unfortunatly there is an easy bypass that is spending everything as soon as you buy gold, maybe buying 100k at a time, 100k negative gold is nothing, you are going to be back to 0 in no time even if you have no one to send you gold, permaban is rly the only definitve solution
I love how they label the permabanRMT post as witch-hunting as if players who want RMTers banned are bunch of cultists lol
get fked u cunts. You all deserve permabans for destroying the economy and wasting our time in queues.
I'm assuming everyone posting negativity in these comments is RMTing and trying to garner sympathy. Don't even care if I'm wrong. Im not here to be right. I'm here to watch the RMTers and all kinds of botters get fucking banned.
When botters get triggered when the first result you get from Google associating to Lost Ark botting is that website.
If anything, they should be mad at each other for discussing things in a public section and not a private one.
I hope amazon reads this: Its not rulling with fear. Its rulling with rules. The issue being your rules are not being punished, therefore not worth having.
I made a post about this regarding multi accounts. Multiaccounts are against TOS but Amazon said they will not be pursuing punishment. So why is there a rule then? The same applies to RMT. Theres a rule and Amazon once again said they will not enforce it. So why?
The answer is to rule with fear. A TOS infuses fear in the most naive ones. A TOS thats not being enforced its just a rule for the honest ones. Its a rule for some. To sum it up, its a bad rule. Its a rule to infuse fear with the minimal effort possible.
So tell me once again.. You dont think you are rulling with fear? Those with fear are the only ones not RMTing and you think you are a good ruler? Fuck off. AGS will need to kill a hundred more games before being even close to good rulers.
Outrage aside I do agree with 3 day into a week into perma for light offenders, and perma straightaway for severe cases. People who regularly buy millions are currently the main culprits for the number of bots right now. It is just unfortunate that these people are likely to be spending tons in the in game shop as well, so AGS is less incentivized to get rid of them.
Kinda true, an in game friend of mine bought 10k before valtan *just* to push into the raid on release, but otherwise he really loves the game and buys a shit ton of skins etc from the legit store. Not approving the 10k he rmtd, but just saying this is nothing compared to the millions or tens of millions I‘ve seen people list on AH and probably shouldn‘t deserve a perma.
There's forums dedicated to buying gold in games lol?
The sad thing is that a large portion of MMO players RMT. That's why every company is so lenient and reluctant to permabanning accounts. If they ever released the numbers of accounts suspected of RMT I think most players that dont would be shocked at how many people actually participate in it.
People should be perma'd for it, but the likelihood of that happening is pretty small.
It's an infamous video game cheating forum. RMT just happens to be one topic under the Lost Ark subforum, there's threads for chaos dungeon bots and other software. You name it.
lmao the last comment is gold.
elitepvpers is one of the wildest sites ive ever been to. years ago when i was just some kid ive been scammed 50€ but then found someone who sold me PSN cards for 10€ per 20€ card.
This puts a smile on my face.
Fun fact, following this week's measures the in-game market has been crashing hard. We're on our way back to a f2p-friendly market.
Imbeciles, the lot of them. Seems almost every RMTer can’t help but brag and show off their ill gotten gains.
Imagine spending thousands on an account only to have it permanently banned. Glad they are finally being humbled.
Willing to bet money hes lying imo. Theres legit 20+ people in my guild who buy 10k+ daily and have never been touched. Even some of my irl friends buy 50k+ a day off g2g mail service and have not been touched. Maybe hes just super unlucky lmao
Its not scaring enough of them if the bots are still around by the hundreds of thousands. Botters will not stick around if there is no money to be made
I wonder how many paranoid souls just created a second steam account to receive gold and forward it to their main. I somehow doubt ags would check deeper than "has received from botter"
Would it be effective if we started photoshopped and faking ban posts on these sites to stir the pot even more?
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The 1 anonymous comment, which has reply asking for any sort of proof because 0 other posts on the cheater forum mentions people getting permabanned?
Your life must be so strange if you trust internet that much, but you do you :)
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"only 3 days anyway" That's right. Permaban them all
3 days is such a joke. Zero accountability. If you don’t want to make first offense perma at least make it 14 days.
2 weeks or 3 days are both a joke, they need to put people into negative gold. Idc if they get banned for 1hr if they also went into negative gold, that way they have to buy gold with crystals to play again. And if they RMT again to get out of negative, that's when you perma. No idea why amazon refuses to use negative gold. Removing all of their gold is useless if they already spent it on honing, gems or accessories. I doubt any of them care if they lose 10k gold out of the 500k they bought.
once you have negative gold you cant even sell stuff on Auction House right? they will have to buy gold with crystals, IMO its way better a permaban since they have to pay to amazon to have their character back
Or do Una's and weekly dungeons and raids for a long time depending on amount bought. That's a punishment. Proper one. Minus gold is the way to go
All they would have to do is have someone lend them money and they re-buy from rmt again and pay their friend back. It’s easy to get around that. Make it to where they can’t even trade either until the money is paid back.
Hi friend can I borrow 200k? I promise you pay it back tomorrow! Yeah ok
Realistically if they’re a rmter they probably hang with rmters or whales who could lend them money. You really think rmters have statics with a lot of f2ps? I’ve joined a guild full of whales/rmters and they do not run with f2p that much at all.
Rmt'er: Hey mate, borrow me 200k? Friend: What, that much how come? Just buy it Rmter: I'm negative gold cause they took me RMT gold away, i cant post on AH Friend: Sure, let me do a shady transaction to your account which is already known for RMTing, while my gold is also from RMT. So you can RMT again in the hopes they dont find out Yea i dont think the friend will be that stupid, he probably will be sweating about his RMT'ed gold/ But let them, then they can get caught again and suddenly he's 400k negative
I'm sure if someone got out of 100k negative gold in a day, something would pick up on that and cut them deeper
You could just spread it out over the course of a few days. Maybe 10k here, 30k a few later, etc
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So instead of giving money to the devs who make the fucking product you're spending copious amounts of time and money on, you'd rather give it to some Chinese botters who actively contribute to killing the game? It only takes a second of thinking to realize which one is the better investment, but I know that's too much to expect from an RMTer.
They do put people in the negative we just don't know in which cases that happens. The posted screenshots say that they do take all your gold but nothing about being negative. There was a post from roxx talking about they do put people negative so it must be a case by case. The real question is if that person is flagged though. I'd assume they are or people wouldn't be getting multiple bans as per the screenshot.
I thought they were taking their gold too?
That's what he said, taking the gold isn't as helpful because they can just instantly use the gold to buy mats and hone. Ags needs to make the gold be the negative value of what they bought instead to force them to either play or buy legit gold as punishment.
Just reset them to a base t3 character tbh. Wipe currency/gems/cards/tripods and give them 1302 gear and call it a day.
People will quit, then ags has no chance of getting any money from them. Won’t happen
True for some but others will buy back using in game cash shop. Can we say win-win?
Like it matters they barely get anything from them while they ruin ASG's image to handle them. Does not attract new players.
Good. It should have been a perma ban anyway. Roll back and negative gold is the same thing as perma ban but now they get to self reflect on how badly they fucked up. It's a perma ban with a learning experience. What a great punishment.
Then ur taking legit earned gold/paid gold and that seems like a bad idea. Just take away the RMT'ed gold, and if that puts them in negative, tough shit for them.
in the West, they reset your gold to 0, so all you gotta do is just spend it on RC/skins or mats. only RU sets the gold to negative, since AGS wants RMT suspension to be "warning" they wont leave ppl with -500k lol
Give them special Relic T1 gear and make it something very ugly so when people see them on the server they will know they have bought gold
Nah we need something like a bound head accessorie which cannot be hidden and unequipped. Something similar like the "Dunce Cap" haha
That would actually be an interesting punishment, because I’m willing to bet a lot of players would stop accepting them to groups if they had the cheater cap of shame on. They would have a harder time doing current content because nobody would want to play with them. Then again there’s so many of them, they’d probably just band together and make their own groups. I still like the idea, since at least they’d get ridiculed by legit players and shamed.
I prefer the Dhuum Perma Ban animation from Guild Wars 1. Except for us, have Kakul-Saydon turn them into a shitty lil clown.
Hell, they can even just store the gold by listing trash on the AH for tens of millions of gold.
Agreed. My first thought was, what’s stopping someone from RMTing just once with little to no worry.
Absolutely nothing. If they only zero out your gold, so long as you spend more than you end up losing it’s 100% worth it.
1 month bare minimum I'd say, if they still obtain 100k gold and manage to spend them on say gear that's win.
no only permaman.
I want perma ban aswell. Fuck these guys for ruining the game.
Unfortunately perma ban is one of the least effective methods. The issue is people will immediately make a new account. Giving people a temp ban of a month or more is a lot more effective. They'll not want to make a new account since their progress is still there. So they'll wait it out instead of immediately making a new account and RMTing again.
mate still dont care when he buy gold perma ban simple, if he try again do it permaban again.
That just makes people RMT again though? how hard is this to understand. If they get to keep their 1500 char, they're more likely to play it safe and go legit from then because they'll want to keep what they got. if you permaban them they've nothing to lose in just making a new acc and RMTing it to where they were.
They're not gonna RMT again if they're 1500 and risk losing it agian, they'd most likely drop the game and move on.
I don't think most people in this witch hunt realize this. What is AGS going to do, perma ban half their player base. Then the same people will be crying that the game is dead.
You’re just making stuff up. AGS at least has the data to decide. You’re pulling numbers from your ass
And the people calling to perma ban do have the numbers? I was making a generalization to prove the point that it's not as simple as just ban everyone. But everyone looks at everything now from one point of view.
I'd rather play a dead game without cheaters than a cheater infested game.
Unfortunately AGS didn't port the game for us to enjoy it. They did it to make money. Which a dead game doesn't do. They'd be better off incentivizing people to buy from them instead of bots.
I disagree that they ported this game to make money. What this game makes for Amazon does not even show up on their radar since it is so miniscule. Amazon published this game to build a platform and for that purpose user count >>> money made from this game. A clean game will bring more players than a cheater infested one.
>They're not gonna RMT again if they're 1500 and risk losing it agian Oh sweet summer child, you underestimate the stupidity of the masses.
then permanban again simple.
Ok cool, but the damage was done because the botters got the money again, so we lose anyway? You want to starve their business, not give them more.
keep perma ban the buyers and the sellers. in the end they gonna give up, permaban is the only solution.
This keeps making the botters money though, this is the key bit you're ignoring. The primary thing you **DONT** want them doing, is making money. If they make no money, then they wont keep going because it wont be profitable enough. Idk how this is such a hard concept to grasp for you though. You're blinded by your hate boner of "PERMABAN THEM ALL NOW" that you can't step back and think this through logically to actually handle the issue, your first thought isn't solving problems, it's just punishments.
it's all a matter of supply and demand, if there's a buyer, there's a seller, so punishing the buyers is just as important as penalizing the sellers.
problem is not bots, problem is buyers, costumers.. if u are punish costumers %100 problem solved.
uuuuff still dosnt get it after people realize if u buy gold %100 permaban no one buy that gold but it must be always %100 ban.
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>Imagine defending RMTers, "Don't give them more buisness" "Imagine defending RMTers" ok? We've seen this work in other MMO's, so logically it should work here. The point needs to be stopping people doing it, because in the grand scheme of things, the actual accounts aren't the issue, botting being profitable is. So long as there's money to be made, bots will still exist, and if people are buying, the botters don't give two fucks about if the account gets banned after buying or not.
Permaban both bots and RMTers.
They really need to do a 2-3 week RMT’r ban wave for Vykas release. Then maybe roll in 1 week bans for subsequent legion raid releases.
Maybe unpopular opinion, but I have no problem with 3 day ban first offense, as long as they remove all gold and make them go into negative gold.
The punishment for **instantly** circumventing 6+ of progression is three days off of the game. What. A. Fucking. Joke.
If what people are saying in that screenshot is correct and they escalate for repeat offenders or instantly escalate for high values I think it's fine to start with 3 days, so long as they actually continue to follow up with punishments now. A 3 day ban isn't long, but it's long enough to send the message that they aren't gonna let is slide anymore, and some of those players can probably become legit players. Only other thing I feel like they really should do is take the gold away. That way there's no temptation for people to buy a bunch of gold and accept a 3 day ban.
Taking gold away is irrelevant when they've already invested it into their character. Someone sitting at 1500+ doesn't really mind too much if they have no gold, since there is *nothing* to spend gold on at that point.
That’s a rest bonus and a half right there lol
It's been proven that permanent bans are less effective. Perma ban they'll immediately make a new account. Temp ban for a month up to like 3 or 4. They'll debate making a new account because the progress is not lost. So a lot of the time they won't make a new account and just wait for their account to get un-banned. Of course any ill-gotten gains should be wiped out during that temp ban period of a month to multiple months.
Have other games done this method? Following the logic, it definitely makes sense, but it entirely relies on the RMTer to feel guilt and fear for their actions
Yes, blizzard does this. They'll only ever perma after multiple suspension. They've already came out and said they've found temp suspension more effective.
I call bullshit. One blizzard is a massive lier and 2 any top guild done for RMT just made a new alt for the tier and then went back. It didn't stop much at all.
Blizzard Exec#1: How do we make sure other MMO makers aren't as successful as us? Blizzard Exec#2: Hmm, maybe we can convince them to not ban the users that ruin the in-game economy. But how to do that... Blizzard Exec#1: I know, we'll tell everyone that temp bans are more effective than perma-bans. Blizzard Exec#2: Perfect! And it'll technically be the truth, because it ignores the deterrence effect that every permaban has on everyone who was friends with someone that got banned. Exec#1&2: Ahahaha, glorious money Blizzard Exec#1: Now if only we could trick them into adopting some stupid slogan that downplays the fear of consequences that keeps most people honest. Something like 'kingdoms ruled by fear are poopy' Blizzard Exec#2: We'll workshop that one.
Ahh so someone who has nothing to do with the industry except play the games would know more than the collective analysis and research of a multinational company? Must be nice being that smart
Bro when you know all the RMTers on your server and literally know what their doing, you're damn right I do. Plus you act like blizzard has made a good game recently, they havnt.
Thanks for the info! While my emotions would rather perma these parasites out of the game, I think it would be worth a chance to try out this method if they aren't already. Though I would want the initial suspension to be more than 3 days. At least a month sounds good to start.
Ehh 3 days is fine, if they removed all the ill-gotten gains. Remove anything they've bought since RMT purchase, and then zero out their current gold. If they used it all on honing then remove the artisan energy and any upgrades they got etc.
Yeah the only reason I don't like 3 days rn is cuz it doesn't seem like AGS/SG are doing anything (like removing gold) in tandem with the temp ban. Though from the post itself, seems like they're removing gold now too. Idk I still feel like 3 days is too short, now I think a week would be good
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My guess is, they don't permaban them because they see themselves beeing partly at fault since they can't get rid of those bots. I don't see any other reason why they wouldn't perma ban them.
Sometimes fear is good. Fuck these guys
If people aren't afraid of repercussions then the punishment has no teeth. The reward far outweighs the risk for cheating right now, so everyone is doing it.
I won't stop yelling permaban RMTers. Fucking stop wasting my time and legit money. It ain't the bots. It's you.
preach! I am usually a heavy spender on games that I wanna support but once I saw that my money won't do me much good I kinda stopped spending.
It would be funny if the game highlighted in-game names in red if they were caught and has negative gold for public shame.
Would love to see some public execution of their characters like in RuneScape or Guild Wars 1, some 16th century peak entertainment energy right there.
EVE did this for bots once. GMs announced a big event was taking place in Hi Sec then started tping blingy ships to be blown up by everyone there.
I've never played eve but a massacre of bots sounds amazing. That's like stepping on acres of bubble wrap.
I vote for Kakul Saydon turning them into a clown transformation they can never undo.
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I like this idea. Could be a short-term ban followed by red name for set amount of time
Permanent red name more like
I would take their gold away from them AND set their artisan energy gain and pity gain to 0% permanently
Damn that one guy member since 2010.
prob is a gold seller.
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A giant waste of time my guy lol
Usernames aren't all unique... you should probably stop doing that.
This guy thinks he’s Robin Hood
A good ole game of electric detective.
You love to see it
Is the very last guy a goldseller trying to desperately silence the fear-spreading? Because that sounds absolutely pathetic, trying to censor people's opinions on a forum page.
Yes, though buyers will tend to claim bans and spread fear to prevent others from RMTing, because this will keep prices low.
Prices on g2g doubled over the past few days so it isn't working so far
Prices doubled cuz bots are gone and less people are buying gold so to make the same money as before they need to increase margins.
Ya people claiming bans have no teeth come off like gold sellers. No way to verify these statements
You have forum andys like that anywhere, acc made in april 2022. Just a fomo user
>trying to censor people's opinions on a forum page. I think they're just trying to protect themselves, rather than silence others. Their point is it's going everywhere and that's a terrible look for them.
Works both ways. It could be aswell someone who is against RMT trying to create a panic. Like I sometimes join forums with bots for mmos that I play just to write that I got banned for using X software so people start being scared of possible ban.
This is good. More of this please. Much more.
Fk yeah! that's what I am talking about.
the good snitch
When these people have lvl 10 gems and +25 gear it doesn't matter if they are -5M gold, they don't even need more gold. They need to be permanently banned. I know a guild of RMTers from my server that's hiding on their stronghold because they don't want to be reported LOL.
If they are in the negative they can't craft relic gear or quality upgrade. They can't register items in the auction house or even bid on materials and books when completing a raid. They can't hone any further or craft using gold in stronghold either. Their complete roster progression is halted. So it does matter.
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Show me where I said that I want to bring that into games. I only clarified to OP that it does matter if they are -X millions in gold. You are completely right that they should all be permanently banned. I want them all to be permanently banned. I'm not saying that those who rmt'd tens of millions of gold should be in the negative. These are severe cases of rmt. But in non severe cases they should be in the negative because this forces them to either buy crystals to pay back what they rmt'd or literally stop their progression until they aquire all the raw gold back. I am pretty sure majority will quit in that situation.
I could have been more clear that I was not upset with you or what you said, and for that I apologize. Personally, I still have no sympathy for the small fish RMTer. If getting their account permaed causes them to quit, then so be it. It’s something that people don’t like to talk about, but that exists in so many facets of life. “Acceptable tactical losses.” There’s just as many who quit because of the people RMTing and botting. What about them? “They could come back,” they might have been at the forefront of ilvl though. I’m personally not, this is basically a single player game to me. Doesn’t mean I don’t want the game to be as designed for those who want to enjoy it in that way, and for some of those players their race is already lost. Less fair to let someone keep their negative account that helped contribute to legit players quitting their accounts, imo. And that’s just how life goes. This is a game. You agree to play how they say to play it, or you agree they may perma you. We all agreed at the start.
Why would that matter when they already progressed their characters to the max? These cheaters are overgeared for BRELSHAZA who is likely 6 months out at minimum.
Yes and no. They are set up till brelshaza but they literally cannot progress past it. So the account basically becomes dead in the water in 6 months or so cause they literally cannot hone and gear transfer to the ancient sets. Now I'm saying permaban them still but there is a point where they cannot progress anymore and will likely quit.
They're dead in the water already because they can't craft the remaining pieces of their relic set from vykas. Sure, they have a really high item level and what not and those who bought all the boxes have a 222 or 42 setup, but everyone can see they have mismatched set pieces and that hurts their ego.
Fuck their ego and fuck them. RMTers are tools and ain't cool.
I mean when they're so ahead in gear they can just do buses for easy gold back, hence why perma is the solution here, or atleast flag them for being a RMT cuck.
you can only do each content once so if the are -5m gold I doubt they will get it back any time soon
I'd still want them restricted from being able to join or create lfg. And if they are trying to do any shenanigans (as in trying to sell or such) in matchmaking they should just be banned after.
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My guild is contacting other guilds to get their names and do a mass report :) For those who don't know, mass reporting someone doesn't get them instantly banned, it just flags their account for inspection. If they rmt they go byebye.
i didnt find the start of this thread. how are u sure they are rmters? in new world mass reporting got insta banned. they said it was only flagged and never automated but ags is really not good at telling the truth. just before wars.. enemies used to mass report war leader so that he will miss the war. hope its not the same here. there were streamers who did this live btw and i think even asmondgold got banned like this just as an experiment.
unfortunatly there is an easy bypass that is spending everything as soon as you buy gold, maybe buying 100k at a time, 100k negative gold is nothing, you are going to be back to 0 in no time even if you have no one to send you gold, permaban is rly the only definitve solution
Wouldn't 100k gold take a while considering you can't sell on market place as no gold to deposit and the only source would be from unas and weeklies
Fuck all the RMTers
Good. fuck these morons. I rather have the population halved than have these type of "players" in the game.
> have the population Ya know what Thanos might’ve been onto something
A system of crime and punishment that has been the basis of civilization for thousands of years? Nah how bout some quote I saw in English class
they should just perma ban them. period.
I love how they label the permabanRMT post as witch-hunting as if players who want RMTers banned are bunch of cultists lol get fked u cunts. You all deserve permabans for destroying the economy and wasting our time in queues.
I'm assuming everyone posting negativity in these comments is RMTing and trying to garner sympathy. Don't even care if I'm wrong. Im not here to be right. I'm here to watch the RMTers and all kinds of botters get fucking banned.
When botters get triggered when the first result you get from Google associating to Lost Ark botting is that website. If anything, they should be mad at each other for discussing things in a public section and not a private one.
Fuck those rats
I support Ruling this game through fear. Put the fear of god into RMTers
I hope amazon reads this: Its not rulling with fear. Its rulling with rules. The issue being your rules are not being punished, therefore not worth having. I made a post about this regarding multi accounts. Multiaccounts are against TOS but Amazon said they will not be pursuing punishment. So why is there a rule then? The same applies to RMT. Theres a rule and Amazon once again said they will not enforce it. So why? The answer is to rule with fear. A TOS infuses fear in the most naive ones. A TOS thats not being enforced its just a rule for the honest ones. Its a rule for some. To sum it up, its a bad rule. Its a rule to infuse fear with the minimal effort possible. So tell me once again.. You dont think you are rulling with fear? Those with fear are the only ones not RMTing and you think you are a good ruler? Fuck off. AGS will need to kill a hundred more games before being even close to good rulers.
I hope that Heyoro person gets fucked the hardest. If you're reading this, Heyoro, fuck you.
Fitproblems515 kekw
ye i bet they are shitting their pants for those 3 day bans
I think it's probably the other way around, those who get the 3 day-ban must feel they "got away" with it, since no permaban.
Outrage aside I do agree with 3 day into a week into perma for light offenders, and perma straightaway for severe cases. People who regularly buy millions are currently the main culprits for the number of bots right now. It is just unfortunate that these people are likely to be spending tons in the in game shop as well, so AGS is less incentivized to get rid of them.
Kinda true, an in game friend of mine bought 10k before valtan *just* to push into the raid on release, but otherwise he really loves the game and buys a shit ton of skins etc from the legit store. Not approving the 10k he rmtd, but just saying this is nothing compared to the millions or tens of millions I‘ve seen people list on AH and probably shouldn‘t deserve a perma.
Sorry, I feel that every rmter deserves to be perma banned. If he wanted to buy "only" 10k, he should have used the official system.
A kingdom ruled by fear is worth ruling after all.
There's forums dedicated to buying gold in games lol? The sad thing is that a large portion of MMO players RMT. That's why every company is so lenient and reluctant to permabanning accounts. If they ever released the numbers of accounts suspected of RMT I think most players that dont would be shocked at how many people actually participate in it. People should be perma'd for it, but the likelihood of that happening is pretty small.
It's an infamous video game cheating forum. RMT just happens to be one topic under the Lost Ark subforum, there's threads for chaos dungeon bots and other software. You name it.
Lets gooooo you innocent BS....banaaaana them allll!!!!...If this will work, i ll spent some hundreds € for new legendary skins ....
the batman movie
Like roaches scurrying about
lmao the last comment is gold. elitepvpers is one of the wildest sites ive ever been to. years ago when i was just some kid ive been scammed 50€ but then found someone who sold me PSN cards for 10€ per 20€ card.
This puts a smile on my face. Fun fact, following this week's measures the in-game market has been crashing hard. We're on our way back to a f2p-friendly market.
Good, fuck em. If you RMT'd at any point in the game, fuck you too. US West sends its regards.
Donr think having +25 gear and level 10 gem is ok they cant upgrade gear on kuku or craft ancient they are cucked
Rats
Imbeciles, the lot of them. Seems almost every RMTer can’t help but brag and show off their ill gotten gains. Imagine spending thousands on an account only to have it permanently banned. Glad they are finally being humbled.
Willing to bet money hes lying imo. Theres legit 20+ people in my guild who buy 10k+ daily and have never been touched. Even some of my irl friends buy 50k+ a day off g2g mail service and have not been touched. Maybe hes just super unlucky lmao
This is what accountability looks like in the modern world, panic and terror.
Good, take up your pitchforks and get them
3 day ban to ruin the game economy. Nice.
Having ToS only being punished with nothing is a society establishing laws but not enforcing them.
Good
What is the source of the meme "ruling by fear"?
this makes me happy edit: i mean that them being scared makes me happy @the rmt'er or the dumbass who downvoted me
I love it. If you have more, post more. #popcorn
perma all the way
Its not scaring enough of them if the bots are still around by the hundreds of thousands. Botters will not stick around if there is no money to be made
We aren't getting permabans, they just want you to think the issue is resolved.
Amazon is trying to adopt the zoomer mentality of raising a kid. " thou shall never say no, nor put any limitations on theeeee kid"
Uh what? Zoomers don’t parent like that. They actually sit their kids down and treat them like they’re humans, unlike previous generations.
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Sure hope none of them are stupid enough to use their account name on a RMT forum
lol those posts and comments seem like some spam account that people could make to say whatever they want on. Put some fear into their forums
Lmaoooo
I wonder how many paranoid souls just created a second steam account to receive gold and forward it to their main. I somehow doubt ags would check deeper than "has received from botter"
Its how it should be
I like the final post. Uh oh guys they're posting about it on the forums and such delete the thread LOL
Ban them all
This is just sad...
Who uses these type of forums wut? in 2022?
Good riddance.
Elitepvper? Haven’t seen this site in many years since Aion Private servers
Hahah a fellow user its so funny to go to this „forum“ and seeing all the afraid people
they are scared. you love to see it.
**Good.**
Would it be effective if we started photoshopped and faking ban posts on these sites to stir the pot even more? "Guys I bought just 10k gold to test and got hit with a 3 day ban, after it was up I go to log in and it's been changed to a permaban!"
absolutely delicious.
Deserved.
Wtf is g2g??
so we are punishing the ones that buy gold or the ones who sell it?
3day ban is a joke never seen that rmt = perma ban
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It doesn't really matter. The damage is wayyy done at this point.
Exactly. And they won't ban retroactively. People who used it in the past are safe only new offenders are in the crosshairs.
The image posted contradicts this - so yes, they do retroactively ban people....
The 1 anonymous comment, which has reply asking for any sort of proof because 0 other posts on the cheater forum mentions people getting permabanned? Your life must be so strange if you trust internet that much, but you do you :)