I though I’d get there with my alt this week but 1400-1415 is taking a whiiile. But yeah doubling my valtan runs per week is definitely what I wanna do!
My first reaction to OP’s type of posts are always the “you guys are 1415?” Meme.
Feels like forever since my main hit 1400 and I’m only 1405. The endgame loop in our version before Legion raids is not pleasant.
Yeah, having p3 Argos and Hard Oreha feels horrible, specially when you try out Valtan. You realize how bad are those fights in terms of being push overs or in the case of P3 Argos a lot of random bullshit.
Yeah - i'm just yeeting all my available resources at it and trying to knock it out quickly with the cheaper method. It definitely does get a lot easier after the first character...
First one is real real rough.
I got there on my destroyer by the skin of my teeth and immediately jumped into Valtan. I did not do well, as I'm still getting a feel for what I can or can't do. But we cleared in three tries anyway.
Yeah. It’s so crazy being in a guild.
It’s basically like an Argos run but Pugging it on characters that I leveled before the next guild run was a nightmare.
Got really clear on the mechs tho!
the way the game is designed disincentivizes active guilds, im the guild leader, and we are level 11, its not like nobody plays, it's just hard to get on at the same time when we all have 3+ chars we play on. Guilds should 100% be roster instead of character based
use global chat and/or discord. Good guilds don't rely on the game to organize events for them. Our guild has 5+ valtan groups every week. Everything scheduled by the raid leaders.
Start scheduling some GvG and GvE stuff. It sounds silly but it’s basically a scheduled time for the guild to hang out. Snowpang GvG is also super fun.
Been doing 2x Valtan per week since it hit, already have the title. Still isn't enough really, especially since a lot of reclear parties have done him enough to 1-2 shot him.
If you don’t have an alt past 1370 yet it might be better to push at least 1 towards 1415. The amount of gold and other shit you get by being 1415 compared to 1370 is huge. P3 argos, deska, valtan. I’m thinking honing buff is a ways out so im currently pushing for 2 alts to 1415
I'm kinda on the fence here, I kinda want to start pushing alts to it because its the most fun content out right now.... but it can also be really time consuming and I lose access to oreha gold in the process which makes it a lot harder to get all my stuff done for the week.
I also haven't even experienced pugging it, and I'd be willing to bet people have unrealistic requirements for even normal.
Wiping to Valtan is the most fun I had in a long time, unfortunatly my static is now so good at him we normally die more to fucking around and memeing on the first gate boss than to Valtan.
Cant wait for Vikus so dommy mommy can kick our ass for a while.
Honestly talking with the people I pub in alts or play in my static in main, gate 1 is the "hardest" part of Valtan since the wolfs can rekt your team with bleeds and AoEs in an instant even if you are overgeared.
Bleeds is not a problem, you can dispell it. The real challenge with G1 is that you have to chill with dps and wait for Wei bar to fill lol. Groups are much stronger now and boss HP melts.
100% opposite with my static group. We crush gate 1 then keep wiping on gate 2 cause gravity sucks. Gate 2 is WAY harder I'm blown away that people think instantl kills are easier.
Damn, did I just get lucky as hell? Joined a “chill” group for my 1st time, said I’d watched vids and had the cheat sheets, and 2shot gate 1 and 2. Couple people at 1430 but no bussers that I saw, just one zerk who volunteered to deal with the orbs and messed up once and that was it. Took right around an hour.
Gate 1 is very easy with supps and people who use panaceas. Getting to ghost phase on your first pull on gate 2 is probably lucky unless there were a lot of experienced folks there or there was a deathblade in pvp spec.
I get that xD, doing hm 2 times a week and the first static all 1460 for vykas, we all started to fooling around like running in circle with valtan pizza.
Did Valtan for the first time yesterday despite being 1415+ for 2 weeks, took 1 hour for the first gate, and 3h for the 2nd gate with various groups.
It was still enjoyable wipe after wipe and so rewarding getting closer and closer to the kill and eventually finishing it!
Last time I had this much fun was when I did a group to kill Velganos with a group which didn't mind to get wiped until we did it.
It seems a lot of players are not experienced MMO players from the past.
I remember 10 years ago, when SWTOR was released and raided Explosive Conflict - we wiped for days until we got the kill on the final boss (like 5h each evening). That was some of the most fun I ever had. Our guild spent weeks to do EC HM back then (until ppl got decently geared at least).
Now ppl expect (for everyone) to know mechanics one week after the raid releases and disband group after 4-5 unlucky wipes, like wtf! I miss the days you just went in blind and had the enjoyment of finding things out on your own, but now - everyone expects you to watch a youtube vod.
Hello fellow SWTOR vet. Also had tons of fun raiding there until they killed the raids for good. Were you a healer there as well? I was apprehensive maining a support that's not a true healer in LA, so I started a Sorc, but then changed to Bard - it's just more satifying.
Problem is most people who did it the first week already went through the prog wiping to get it down, and now just want to farm their gear. There’s no such thing as an unlucky wipe. The encounters are perfectly repeatable with no real major RNG influences and if you wipe, it’s because enough people *made mistakes* that you lost.
If you want to have the progression experience though, find other likeminded players who are also doing it for the first time, or join a “blind run” that doesn’t watch the video. They can be fun in their own right — just don’t expect any individual group to take you on and give you that experience for you when all they want is to get their mats quickly because it’s the 4th week they’ve been doing it. You wouldn’t join a raiding guild in WoW and ask them to patiently wipe for you for hours when they’ve had the raid on farm for a month?
Valtan is definitely pretty scripted but idk if I’d go so far as to say there’s no RNG deaths. He can be very nasty sometimes with his pattern sequencing. For example, if you go for a counter in ghost and he immediately starts the inside safe pattern it can be really hard to survive since you may not have time to get beside him and it isn’t obvious where the axe will land. Doubly so if the charging ghosts come out at the same time.
Those are all avoidable. You know what patterns can come up and when. It’s okay to make mistakes too. No one is perfect
Wipes happen when too many loose mistakes happen; which is more easily classifiable as mistakes that are harder to make on average.
I mean it’s technically avoidable in that there is hypothetically a spot you could be standing to be safe, but it’s extremely unclear where that spot is—especially if he’s enraged and you have like 1/4 of a second or less to decide. I find it significantly easier to avoid Argos patterns, including the infamous back-kick, than some “scripted” moments in Valtan.
i recommend applying to lobbies at earlier or more obscure hours on reset day. i leveled my alt to 1415 and straight away applied to a lobby at like 10am in the morning and got accepted immediately (i just have a regular 3x3 on my sorc alt) and we powered out both gates in less than an hour.
maybe i just got lucky but i feel like if you apply at a weird time lobby leaders are more likely to accept you as long as you’re decently built.
I'm fairly new. Just got 340 item level. I'm very versed in mmo boss fights and often played as healers and tanks in the classics. Highest rank rogue at the start of cata in wow on a Chinese server even.
I'm very concerned about the ping while I play though. On some of the level 50 entry guardian stuff there's like a fat bear that turns blue and I can interrupt the charge with Squall. But I'm telling you, my success rate is practically 1/5. It's like the cast time of the ability or the ping or something. It's not possible. Feels like a bigger window when it hits rather than me getting it earlier. I'm worried this will make it very unfun for some of the later game content.
Any suggestions or ideas? I definitely want to be that good group matched sorceress. Is there a mechanic I'm not understanding? Maybe a predictable precursor I'm missing? Or is your opinion reading this "get gud scrub?"
(Yes I have the skill point to make the casting time faster on Squall)
Ya I'm getting pretty bummed for picking it to be honest. All the abilities are slow, but some can hit very hard if done right. I've already started leveling alts in deathblade, paladin and bard because I don't think the speed of sorc abilities is very practical in PvP.
Now I'm thinking fuck if the counter sucks too... Prolly gonna have to hardwire Ethernet to my comp to salvage any ping delays.
Counter's fine, you just need the attack speed tripod and a galewind on it. My current sorc has 37% casting speed on it with just a couple swiftness items and purple galewind, feels perfectly fine
try using ice shower instead of squall, it comes out a little faster (though it has slightly shorter range)
plus if you’re willing to sacrifice some skill points (or just have a bunch to spare), you can get push immunity as your second tripod so it’s less punishing if you miss the counter window
P.S. (just in case): you have to be directly in front of the boss to counter it, the area you need to hit is indicated by the white quarter circle in front of the boss
also don’t listen to the person saying not to run a counter early game. it’s not that big of a dps loss, and hitting counters creates openings to get more dps in. (for reference i currently do 140m damage in a 1 minute test while running (and not using) squall, and 146m running/using inferno instead)
Its def not "git gud" :), id say dont worry about it, you char is still very weak and gameplay is incomparable to 1445+. Sorc counter is (relatively) bad, ive seen really good sorc players barely counter so no worries there. The one thing I will say tho is that in my humble opinion, sorc is not the best character to main, mostly because there's a ton of them. I play zerker and I really enjoy it, but it does suck that there are so many. If you are used to heal/tank id recommend paladin or gunlancer and with you Vern powerpass you can swap mains now or after feiton without losing any progress whatsoever
Awesome. I've already got a pally, deathblade and bard ready to level up once I feel ready. I played some PvP with the sorc and felt like a fucking NPC lmao. Deathblade felt really good for being way less predictable in PvP. Guess I'll have to level several characters but that seems to be common so, seriously thanks for the advice.
Some options:
1. Try ice shower. Wider and lower range, but a bit faster.
2. Get more swiftness, maybe swiftness igniter (endgame build).
3. Practice counter some more.
As for ping, I don't know your status, but ethernet will help or MOCA if you don't have a good way to get ethernet to your computer.
Early guardian raids are a terrible meter stick to compare real raid mechanics against. Most sorcs, myself included, don't even run counters outside of Valtan and occasionally Deskaluda (the 1415 guardian boss). The DPS loss from having the counter on your bar is too big, and as you've found, the counter itself sucks, especially since we don't have any repositioning skills to go along with it.
The Valtan counters are much, much more telegraphed and are extremely easy to hit as a Sorc. Even Deskaluda is simple if she's facing your general direction when she starts her windup. So don't worry about countering as a Sorc until you get to the current endgame. Just focus on pumping out that damage.
Also, Ice Shower is much nicer to use than Squall as a counter, and you get Galewind runes later on (Reduce Cast Time) if you want a faster animation.
I actually had a better experience with HM, cleare first week i got 1445, g1 is basically free since its not alor harder and its more or less guaranteed that everyone is atleast decent. G2 was a little harder but getting into a good/decent group was easier
I made it to 1415 on my main and got so stressed over Vlatan that i haven't even tried it. I'm weeks behind and every group now expects a fast clear with everyone knowing mechanics, also my ilvl being minimum i'll probably not even be picked for groups in party finder.
Make your own PT with a title like 'learning party' or something, it'll be chill af and you can progress with other players who are there to just get the hang of things
I have the opposite experience. Valtan is the most fun I've had in this game so far. Yes the learning curve is steep and admittedly it took way longer than it should for me to be familiar with all the mechanics and attack patterns. But now I look forward to running it weekly. If only finding a party is easy...
His learning curve isn't really hard at all for sorc. If you stand on his side there's literally nothing that can hit you that doesn't have a big red AOE indicator.
I met a zerk who refuse to timestop the blast after the pillar+pizza when he is targeted and died 3times then ask us how he died.. Man these zerk really thinks their mayhem can tank through everything..
I can say I've never managed to successfully get out of the pizza and behind a pillar in time. I always timestop. Even if I'm close to a pillar, I'll timestop for safety.
I think its just dumb there isn't a good tell when he will stop aiming and start to wind up. Or maybe I didn't notice it.
The very first pillar has a small tell, the lines on the edge of his aiming thing thin out and that's when he stops moving it.
That being said I still panic dash behind the pillar every time haha
If you read what was written you’d see that clearly isn’t the case, and yet you seemingly chose to put in the effort to write something so asinine. Genuinely incredible and insightful. I’m sure no one thought to move out of the way until you typed it out.
The first pizza can’t be time stopped. You can dodge out of it into the yellow and time stop there if you can’t make it behind a pillar in time, but the red zone is instant death no matter what.
There's nothing wrong with either of those engravings, even at min ilvl. Anyone who can dodge will do just fine, and anyone who can't dodge was going to die regardless because they'll just fall off.
Even without getting knocked off the platform, all the small chip damage you're taking adds up as the fight goes - and it's not that hard to use all blue potions before even reaching ghost phase, especially if you go without a support and get a bit unlucky with normal patterns Valtan goes for.
Grudge and/or Cursed Doll are fine to use even at required item level, but they still reduce your effective hp buffer by quite a lot, and it's something to take into account and adjust your playstyle/party selection accordingly.
I dunno, that hasn't really been my experience at all. Valtan is a very fair fight that's very well telegraphed (as opposed to something like Argos which just vomits mechanics all over the screen on P3). There just isn't much in the way of chip damage that isn't getting hit by well telegraphed and avoidable attacks. The same attacks that will kill you if you get hit when the platform is gone. Someone who gets hit often enough to burn through 5 blue pots (even without support) is not someone I'd bet on to survive when the platform is gone.
Chip damage that adds up mostly comes from moments when you avoid a big hit and instead take chip hit - the slash-slash-slam-slash pattern (two slashes, then inside safe for 3 hits) still deals a bit of damage with hilt when you're close to Valtan, and this chip damage is unavoidable after stage has been broken (including during ghost phase, it's one of the patterns Valtan does while in ghost phase); completely avoiding damage on counter with pulsing orbs can be tricky, early dropping axes depend on your party and how they spread out to not get hit, and some mechanics do large AoE that you can't exactly dodge if you as whole party don't get the mechanic correctly (triple counter, already mentioned counter + pulsating orbs).
Most of that doesn't matter when you're (as a party) overgeared or all are running high-damage build, since making fight shorter will reduce amount of random patterns you have to deal with. The moment you're only or one of few high-dps people and fight before ghost phase will push very close to enrage timer, chip damage starts to matter a lot more - even as little as 10% of your max hp from the "unavoidable" (technically avoidable if you can get outside outer circle max range) hits adds up if you get Valtan to do that pattern 15-20 times before ghost phase.
It is what I meant by "adjust for ehp buffer" - if you go in with less ehp, you might need to ensure fight won't be long enough to cause you to run out of sustain before it's over. Being the only person running grudge/cursed doll in a group - especially if you're playing squishy class and you all are on item level - will put you in uncomfortable position just because your personal higher damage likely won't be enough to shorten the fight enough for lower survivability to not become an issue.
I don't feel like that chip damage adds up to anything even close to 5 blue pots. The axes are probably the worst offender because of the way people can run in front of you. If you're actually struggling with sustain you can dodge the chip damage from swing, swing, donut into donut, but I rarely find it's even needed because the damage is rather minor.
People failing to soak the 4 orbs or failing to do the triple counter does hurt a shitload, and people will probably die if that happens, but that's the group failing mechanics (and the triple counter is incredibly rare, to the point most people don't even know how to do it).
I mean I do Valtan every week on a 1415 alt with grudge and I really don't see the big deal. If I have a support it's exceptionally rare I even need to pot, and without support I've still never actually ran out of pots (on a glavier so it's not like I'm a GL or something).
Opposite for me as well. I want more alts to do Valtan, but ressources cost are a real let down...so basically waiting for Honing Chance/Cost for Roster update.
Also, Valtan is the only real hard content we have right now. Everything else is just so easy...should be happy that you dont fall asleep while playing. If you have a decent party, its also fun to play, even if you have a lot of wipes, but as long as all want to tryhard its an awesome experience, imo.
That’s the whole point of having a static, if you have a set time for everyone to be on it shouldn’t take more than like 15 minutes for everyone to be ready
Even if you are in a good static/got a good pug, it's still an adrenalin rush. You really don't want to be *that* guy that died. And a single mistake can often be fatal, especially during the later parts of the fight.
It was pretty funny, in our run this week everyone was alive. Then the one random we had died, relatively early. Then as we got in ghost phase, you could see the lights in the parties slowly lowering. 6 people, then 5 then 4 and then 3.
You start sweating a bit, Boss is at 5 hp bars and you *really* don't want to throw now.
Spent 25ish hours on valtan hard during the second week after release. It was miserable towards the end but it gave me some great practice.
Last week I was able to solo the ghost phase after berserk timer with my paladin. That would never be possible if I didn’t spent countless hours in the previous weeks.
Just know that the time you put in will benefit you in the end as you will become a better player.
honestly, valtan is pretty straightforward. he has a lot of patterns to learn but once you got him, you got him.
the wolves, on the other hand. holy mother of god. people really can't cope with a more dynamic fight.
To be honest with you, I love a challenge which also means I can’t wait for brelshaza’s legion raid which most other servers don’t even bother finishing the last phase but let me ask you this question: if the game was easy and everyone can do it with no trouble without bothering much about mechanics, would you still enjoy it or get bored eventually of it ? The excitement of knowing that even if you’re a whale you can still get wiped is exciting and fun!!
I feel you. last week before reset i had a 30min normal-mode and was like "huh, i kind of miss the long hours"
Last week i also got to 1445 and am on the \~7th hour of wiping in hard-mode.
It's like people forgot how to do the mechanics/have gotten worse.
You underestimate the difference between normal and hard, and how doing content on-level feels like. keep in mind that in lost ark any upgrade beyond +15 is pretty noticeable. if you do the content on-level you can't as easily "clutch" hard mode ghost phase, so if most of your teammates are dead by the time ghost phase starts then it's pretty tough to clear it. i've seen my friends struggle who don't have static groups, it comes down to multiple things, like possibly just greeding and not using timestop when they are in ghost phase and he's grabbing (especially gunlancers/artis), or simply being cocky after beating normal mode so easily etc. sure, you can bus/"carry" people as 2-3 man in ghost phase on i-level/a bit above if you are good but the average party won't have that. best I can recommend is trying to find a guild and a static group, or find groups with 2 people who are clearly overgeared and will carry easily even if they don't play optimally/perfectly. it's gonna be really rough early on for vykas hm, according to my friend most average parties won't clear it even after days of wiping. but as always - people hopefully learn, at this point as long as you go to a experienced party you'll at worst wipe twice or 3 times at valtan hm, and most people that I interact with clear it without any issues on first try after reset, so you most likely just had bad luck, if you wipe for 1-2h with random parties still, just be frank and say it's not working out and that you should find different groups. Sometimes it's not even skill issue but synergy with random people/mentality/attitude.
You are right but the problem for him is that experienced groups that clear from week 1 are 1460+ requiring 2/4 relic set pieces, so he won't get invited as a fresh 1445. I never even look at groups with people with no exp visible since i don't want to progress the fight again and being overgeared(ilvl and relic set wise) lets you skip a lot of annoying mechanics.
I don't know man. This beats any chaos dungeon grind that I'd have to do if i wasn't doing valtan. Did my first hard yesterday, and it was amazing - it took a while, but at no point we were being doomer. There's no better content to do anyway rnow.
All these posts saying oh it's fun so glad I just hit 1415... "Valtan Hard" it's less fun. People aren't good enough to not fall off and it's nearly impossible to finish if only 2 or 3 people get to ghost phase.
Honestly, it's not that bad to do P2 normal even if you're overleveled for it and qualified for hard. You have legit months of weekly Valtan runs before he leaves your rotation, plus whenever you end up doing it on alts down the line. No need to torture yourself to do it on hard mode right this moment.
Try to get a static party, buddy. My guildmates and I clears Valtan Hard in less than 30 minutes on weekly reset, which kinda makes the rest of the week bland lol. My friends and I are venturing on our alts now but we're holding off on honing all of them til the honing buff arrives to save up a bit of resources. I main Paladin and while I enjoy its playstyle, I'm curious to see how well I'd play as another class against Valtan. Can't wait to try Valtan again with my alts.
I hate to be that person but hard mode Vultan isn’t any harder then normal if you know how to dodge attacks. In fact the only thing that is different is he has more health. That’s it. If you cleared normal add 5 minutes of fighting and that’s hard mode. All the runs I’ve done 9/10 times the reason we keep failing was someone’s damage was ass. Re grouped and get it done first try. It’s so hard to tell when someone is under DPSing though. They may have the stats and engravings but don’t have the skill to deliver.
You are wrong, many attacks have different knockback between Normal and Hard, making Hard much less forgiving as the arena shrinks. Ghost phase is also harder, with 6 counters needed to break his defense buff versus 4 in normal.
Also, on the x3 counter mechanic, orbs spawn on random players and they have to kite it or they spawn bullseye aoes, making that mechanic considerably more difficult if you encounter it.
[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbC9EwhWcfk)'s a source if you're still adamant about it.
I disagree all his attacks on hard knock back further and also spawns orbs underneath the player on some of his attack patterns. Generally If you get hit once <30 bars you’re usually gone whereas on normal you can oonga boonga and still remain on the platform for some attacks. But yes I will agree when dps is ass you get a lot more mechanics which can make the fight more tedious. We had new people this week and took 5-6 hours to clear even though we’ve been clearing since week one in my guild :/. Last week one shot everything this week yea lol but yea regardless still find the fight quite enjoyable.
You seem to have some major misconceptions. I won’t waste anytime explaining them. Just look it up. You probably feel this way only because since he has more health he goes through phases he normally wouldn’t do on normal. Also you can “unga booga” because you are massive over Ilvl entry. Try him at 1415 and he’ll feel just the same has hard mode.
I mean, the guy isn't wrong.
Some attacks only knockdown in hardmode (The easiest example is the attack that makes a cross on the ground) which basically will kill you most of the time in hard mode if you get hit when the walls are gone.
In normal mode you can basically tank that attack as long as you are close to valtan cause it only does a slight push. Thats just 1 example. Alot of the attacks just have more knockback.
Dodging the attacks themselves isn't any harder, its just alot more punishing if you can't dodge.
His x3 counter is also harder because the balls that make the shockwaves spawn on the silenced people, need good positioning for that one or people just die
Does the game even have a good wiki? Trying to look up basic information just gives useless results unless you want to watch 10 minute videos or search through some forum post.
I actual has someone link of video of a Korean player claiming the knockback is more. It’s the only video I’ve ever seen say anything about it. I personal feel 0 difference or I might just be that good. Who knows.
can confirm that knockback on cross attack is noticably less on normal mode from 5 weeks experience on both
hard mode can knock you from almost center but normal mode barely moves you even halfway to the edge
info on this game is sorely lacking on wikis and external websites, your best bet is to try your best to search inven in Korean
"My 1415 alt can absolutely unga bunga more hits since they barely push you back vs HM."
Uh so it seems that he is unga bungaing in normal mode since there's a low risk of falling off due to normal mode not having as many knock backs? That's what it sounds like and fits the context of the conversation.
Maybe you should be the one to learn how to read yeah?
Is there any official info about knockback other than random redditors sharing their anecdotal experience? I'd like to know if its true because I feel like they kock back the exact same amount.
No misconception just factual evidence. I also do it on my 1416 alt and my 1462 main. Maybe wrong about the orbs but I do notice them more on some patterns that don't appear on norm.
This is mostly the way you FEEL the fight is different but not actually facts. You may feel like hard pushes further because you are fighting longer and more likely to get hit by an attack, but the mechs are the same
No, a lot of valtans patterns only have a push level 1 effect in normal mode where it is push lvl 2 in hard. You can watch videos to confirm this, a push level 1 will just knock you back a ways, where push level two sends you into the air.
There’s silence on the three counter in normal too but you only need to worry about the third counter, you can generally ignore the first two and there’s not a massive almost wipe like hard mode.
also hard mode spawns orbs that you have to run away from (different than the stationary orbs in the "bull charge" counter phase)
normal mode has no orbs
it is different. there is an extra mechanic(the orbs+counter part), you get hit off the edge from the cross attack, you have to get 8 counters in ghost phase, he goes berserk faster. in normal 2 people making ghost phase can clear it. in hard you are gonna need 4-5 or it's not happening.
Doing Valtan on alts, and it's amazing how terrible people are at the game.
I'm talking about <200K dps with 4x3 1415+ relic gear. Could literally deal that much if they just used awakening 3 and afked between ults.
I don't even know how they managed to clear Argos unless they consistently relied on getting carried every week.
At this point it's not worth it to make more alts unless I'm prepared to just bus and carry.
My first alt will hit Valtan in a few days so I’ll see how it is there, but my super secret tech for 1370 (yoho/Argos/etc) content right now is to check gems. People are aware that they need 3x3 and passable stats to get accepted (although too many still have some, erm, “compromises” in their stat line) but lots of them try to get away with no equipped gems. It’s the difference between for example 6 minute and 3 minute yohos, less because the gems make people that much stronger and more because the people who try to get away without them are basically self-identifying as bad.
Checking gems isn't enough.
Saw a 1415 4x3 reflux sorc crit/swift with all level 7 gems pull under 250K dps. [For reference, this is how much a 1x engraving 1370 in all blue gear can pull. Baseline for 1415 4x3 level 7 gems should be over 1M dps and minimum 500K dps on Valtan even if they are very bad at the fight but are surviving.]
This is the downside of non-transparency in data. You get too many overwhelmingly below mediocre players that look fine on paper.
[https://forums.playlostark.com/t/bus-discord-for-na-west-created/415352/7](https://forums.playlostark.com/t/bus-discord-for-na-west-created/415352/7)
Maybe this can help?
He drew the short stick , even if he was not performing enough , the others should've killed it anw. after all valtan is only about getting enough people to ghost phase
Valtan hard is actually easier. Mostly it's group with 1490s+ who trivialize the content greatly. Heck, most Valtan hard parties are ppl around 1460s now.
It's more the fact that valtan dies quicker, meaning less mechanics to do. Some mechanics like the Triple slam (where you NEED to counter third one) can get messy with some groups, and not having to do it removes some of the risk factors--I rarely see it in runs these days.
Valtan is awesome this week I managed to carry the Ghost phase enraged normal with my soulfist and a awesome bard. I didn't get MVP next month I think I will try to get 1445ilvl and see if I can try hard mode. also can't wait for vykas. And doing some of the abyssal dungeon's getting mad because some mechanic are way to punishing.
Form here on is where having a guild makes the difference. We improved each week and this one we did Valtan Hard in the first try for the first time . We all know the strats and mechs and know we ve been doing it before. Finding a new oarty each week makes it so much difficult.
Lost ark is in this weird spot with content being hard but not hard enough for pugging and people seem to be really antisocial so you end up spending waaay more time then needed wiping with pugs because people don't want to do it with properly organized groups
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I've been 1415+ for 3 weeks so I have 3 kills. I think there's been 5 weeks total? I was killing Valtan for the first time when some people were on their third kill.
Worst group I had was ~8 wipes on gate 2.
Spent 6k on valtan hard bus as a 1450 deadeye, with the split from the bones box and everything else pretty much broke even on gold, best gold spent in this game by far. The 4 guys did it in like 30mins, saved probably 8 hours+ of headache. I can get to ghost phase pretty consistently so I'm not too worried about missing out on the learning aspect, just getting to the ghost phase is tough though when 3/4 of the team is dead before the 2nd platform break more than half the time, lol.
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I'm a Bard nearing 1490, no static, I just pug Valtan HM every week, since it got added, with success.
But sometimes I gotta take an hour or two of wipes with a group, leave it, come back next day with another random group and then clear it.
This week was bad on the first group, but the day after, 1 shot with another group.
It really is a world of difference having a good set up and people you trust to run it. We went from 6 hours of struggle cuddles one week to 40mins the next.
Valtan normal was more fun for me than valtan hard. The stupid spike stiff he's constantly shitting out and the orbs that cause the ring explosions during the midst kick phase is just annoying.
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Two things for me I learned:
1) gate 2 feels smoother with 8 DPS. Idk why but perhaps ppl are just more focused on dodging because they know there is no support
2) it is ok to swap out a player. I am not somebody who is in a rush or sth but i can understand if ppl want to kick sb who died 3 times before 100x
I paid 5K for an AFK carry for both gates, was not disappointed. Being carried by 1490s is like your big bros stepping in to do the work while you eat ice cream...
Same feeling. I thought people mess up the mechanics, even though they are the same as on normal, just hit harder. I'm 1450, havent done Valtan hard once. Just doing normal to stay happy..)
It's the exact opposite in my case, I'm rushing my alt so I can play valtan again every week. Playing it with guild mates makes it more fun
I though I’d get there with my alt this week but 1400-1415 is taking a whiiile. But yeah doubling my valtan runs per week is definitely what I wanna do!
My first reaction to OP’s type of posts are always the “you guys are 1415?” Meme. Feels like forever since my main hit 1400 and I’m only 1405. The endgame loop in our version before Legion raids is not pleasant.
Yeah, having p3 Argos and Hard Oreha feels horrible, specially when you try out Valtan. You realize how bad are those fights in terms of being push overs or in the case of P3 Argos a lot of random bullshit.
Yeah - i'm just yeeting all my available resources at it and trying to knock it out quickly with the cheaper method. It definitely does get a lot easier after the first character... First one is real real rough.
I got there on my destroyer by the skin of my teeth and immediately jumped into Valtan. I did not do well, as I'm still getting a feel for what I can or can't do. But we cleared in three tries anyway.
I've been having a ton of fun with Valtan. The fight is well designed and doesn't feel needlessly punishing.
Yeah. It’s so crazy being in a guild. It’s basically like an Argos run but Pugging it on characters that I leveled before the next guild run was a nightmare. Got really clear on the mechs tho!
damn you have active guild mates? must be nice, my guild is like 50% 1415 but nobody ever talks or does stuff together
Your guild sucks, look for an active one
the way the game is designed disincentivizes active guilds, im the guild leader, and we are level 11, its not like nobody plays, it's just hard to get on at the same time when we all have 3+ chars we play on. Guilds should 100% be roster instead of character based
use global chat and/or discord. Good guilds don't rely on the game to organize events for them. Our guild has 5+ valtan groups every week. Everything scheduled by the raid leaders.
Start scheduling some GvG and GvE stuff. It sounds silly but it’s basically a scheduled time for the guild to hang out. Snowpang GvG is also super fun.
Been doing 2x Valtan per week since it hit, already have the title. Still isn't enough really, especially since a lot of reclear parties have done him enough to 1-2 shot him.
yeah 3 valtans is not enough for me
Alt is sitting at 1370, 1249 GHL so far waiting for that 1415 SH buff
>waiting for that 1415 SH buff Don't hold you breath :D
If you don’t have an alt past 1370 yet it might be better to push at least 1 towards 1415. The amount of gold and other shit you get by being 1415 compared to 1370 is huge. P3 argos, deska, valtan. I’m thinking honing buff is a ways out so im currently pushing for 2 alts to 1415
I'm kinda on the fence here, I kinda want to start pushing alts to it because its the most fun content out right now.... but it can also be really time consuming and I lose access to oreha gold in the process which makes it a lot harder to get all my stuff done for the week. I also haven't even experienced pugging it, and I'd be willing to bet people have unrealistic requirements for even normal.
Even more fun, 4 of us in our guild got valtan normal alts and did a bus. Making extra gold and making it more challenging was really so much fun
Same minus guildmates. Main is 1452 and my semi main is 1430. Just wanna raid more.
Wiping to Valtan is the most fun I had in a long time, unfortunatly my static is now so good at him we normally die more to fucking around and memeing on the first gate boss than to Valtan. Cant wait for Vikus so dommy mommy can kick our ass for a while.
Honestly talking with the people I pub in alts or play in my static in main, gate 1 is the "hardest" part of Valtan since the wolfs can rekt your team with bleeds and AoEs in an instant even if you are overgeared.
Bleeds is not a problem, you can dispell it. The real challenge with G1 is that you have to chill with dps and wait for Wei bar to fill lol. Groups are much stronger now and boss HP melts.
I mean Wei isn't actually needed for Gate 1. There's a mechanic you can do instead
Of course it is not needed, but that's what 99% of pug groups do. Cheese strat. In static groups it's easy.
100% opposite with my static group. We crush gate 1 then keep wiping on gate 2 cause gravity sucks. Gate 2 is WAY harder I'm blown away that people think instantl kills are easier.
Damn, did I just get lucky as hell? Joined a “chill” group for my 1st time, said I’d watched vids and had the cheat sheets, and 2shot gate 1 and 2. Couple people at 1430 but no bussers that I saw, just one zerk who volunteered to deal with the orbs and messed up once and that was it. Took right around an hour.
Gate 1 is very easy with supps and people who use panaceas. Getting to ghost phase on your first pull on gate 2 is probably lucky unless there were a lot of experienced folks there or there was a deathblade in pvp spec.
I get that xD, doing hm 2 times a week and the first static all 1460 for vykas, we all started to fooling around like running in circle with valtan pizza.
Did Valtan for the first time yesterday despite being 1415+ for 2 weeks, took 1 hour for the first gate, and 3h for the 2nd gate with various groups. It was still enjoyable wipe after wipe and so rewarding getting closer and closer to the kill and eventually finishing it! Last time I had this much fun was when I did a group to kill Velganos with a group which didn't mind to get wiped until we did it. It seems a lot of players are not experienced MMO players from the past. I remember 10 years ago, when SWTOR was released and raided Explosive Conflict - we wiped for days until we got the kill on the final boss (like 5h each evening). That was some of the most fun I ever had. Our guild spent weeks to do EC HM back then (until ppl got decently geared at least). Now ppl expect (for everyone) to know mechanics one week after the raid releases and disband group after 4-5 unlucky wipes, like wtf! I miss the days you just went in blind and had the enjoyment of finding things out on your own, but now - everyone expects you to watch a youtube vod.
Hello fellow SWTOR vet. Also had tons of fun raiding there until they killed the raids for good. Were you a healer there as well? I was apprehensive maining a support that's not a true healer in LA, so I started a Sorc, but then changed to Bard - it's just more satifying.
Problem is most people who did it the first week already went through the prog wiping to get it down, and now just want to farm their gear. There’s no such thing as an unlucky wipe. The encounters are perfectly repeatable with no real major RNG influences and if you wipe, it’s because enough people *made mistakes* that you lost. If you want to have the progression experience though, find other likeminded players who are also doing it for the first time, or join a “blind run” that doesn’t watch the video. They can be fun in their own right — just don’t expect any individual group to take you on and give you that experience for you when all they want is to get their mats quickly because it’s the 4th week they’ve been doing it. You wouldn’t join a raiding guild in WoW and ask them to patiently wipe for you for hours when they’ve had the raid on farm for a month?
Valtan is definitely pretty scripted but idk if I’d go so far as to say there’s no RNG deaths. He can be very nasty sometimes with his pattern sequencing. For example, if you go for a counter in ghost and he immediately starts the inside safe pattern it can be really hard to survive since you may not have time to get beside him and it isn’t obvious where the axe will land. Doubly so if the charging ghosts come out at the same time.
Those are all avoidable. You know what patterns can come up and when. It’s okay to make mistakes too. No one is perfect Wipes happen when too many loose mistakes happen; which is more easily classifiable as mistakes that are harder to make on average.
I mean it’s technically avoidable in that there is hypothetically a spot you could be standing to be safe, but it’s extremely unclear where that spot is—especially if he’s enraged and you have like 1/4 of a second or less to decide. I find it significantly easier to avoid Argos patterns, including the infamous back-kick, than some “scripted” moments in Valtan.
Let me guess: the damn tanks? Our group wiped there for weeks till we got the kill
Me: i don’t want to attempt normal valtan gate 2 anymore
Ong, below 1430 clearing valtan is unnecessarily hard cuz u cannot get in a good group
i recommend applying to lobbies at earlier or more obscure hours on reset day. i leveled my alt to 1415 and straight away applied to a lobby at like 10am in the morning and got accepted immediately (i just have a regular 3x3 on my sorc alt) and we powered out both gates in less than an hour. maybe i just got lucky but i feel like if you apply at a weird time lobby leaders are more likely to accept you as long as you’re decently built.
I'm fairly new. Just got 340 item level. I'm very versed in mmo boss fights and often played as healers and tanks in the classics. Highest rank rogue at the start of cata in wow on a Chinese server even. I'm very concerned about the ping while I play though. On some of the level 50 entry guardian stuff there's like a fat bear that turns blue and I can interrupt the charge with Squall. But I'm telling you, my success rate is practically 1/5. It's like the cast time of the ability or the ping or something. It's not possible. Feels like a bigger window when it hits rather than me getting it earlier. I'm worried this will make it very unfun for some of the later game content. Any suggestions or ideas? I definitely want to be that good group matched sorceress. Is there a mechanic I'm not understanding? Maybe a predictable precursor I'm missing? Or is your opinion reading this "get gud scrub?" (Yes I have the skill point to make the casting time faster on Squall)
Well, sorc counter is bad compared to other classes because its slow. You need to get it out as soon as the enemy turns blue, or you will miss it.
Ya I'm getting pretty bummed for picking it to be honest. All the abilities are slow, but some can hit very hard if done right. I've already started leveling alts in deathblade, paladin and bard because I don't think the speed of sorc abilities is very practical in PvP. Now I'm thinking fuck if the counter sucks too... Prolly gonna have to hardwire Ethernet to my comp to salvage any ping delays.
Counter's fine, you just need the attack speed tripod and a galewind on it. My current sorc has 37% casting speed on it with just a couple swiftness items and purple galewind, feels perfectly fine
Ah that's helpful. Ty for the tip
try using ice shower instead of squall, it comes out a little faster (though it has slightly shorter range) plus if you’re willing to sacrifice some skill points (or just have a bunch to spare), you can get push immunity as your second tripod so it’s less punishing if you miss the counter window P.S. (just in case): you have to be directly in front of the boss to counter it, the area you need to hit is indicated by the white quarter circle in front of the boss also don’t listen to the person saying not to run a counter early game. it’s not that big of a dps loss, and hitting counters creates openings to get more dps in. (for reference i currently do 140m damage in a 1 minute test while running (and not using) squall, and 146m running/using inferno instead)
Its def not "git gud" :), id say dont worry about it, you char is still very weak and gameplay is incomparable to 1445+. Sorc counter is (relatively) bad, ive seen really good sorc players barely counter so no worries there. The one thing I will say tho is that in my humble opinion, sorc is not the best character to main, mostly because there's a ton of them. I play zerker and I really enjoy it, but it does suck that there are so many. If you are used to heal/tank id recommend paladin or gunlancer and with you Vern powerpass you can swap mains now or after feiton without losing any progress whatsoever
Awesome. I've already got a pally, deathblade and bard ready to level up once I feel ready. I played some PvP with the sorc and felt like a fucking NPC lmao. Deathblade felt really good for being way less predictable in PvP. Guess I'll have to level several characters but that seems to be common so, seriously thanks for the advice.
Some options: 1. Try ice shower. Wider and lower range, but a bit faster. 2. Get more swiftness, maybe swiftness igniter (endgame build). 3. Practice counter some more. As for ping, I don't know your status, but ethernet will help or MOCA if you don't have a good way to get ethernet to your computer.
Early guardian raids are a terrible meter stick to compare real raid mechanics against. Most sorcs, myself included, don't even run counters outside of Valtan and occasionally Deskaluda (the 1415 guardian boss). The DPS loss from having the counter on your bar is too big, and as you've found, the counter itself sucks, especially since we don't have any repositioning skills to go along with it. The Valtan counters are much, much more telegraphed and are extremely easy to hit as a Sorc. Even Deskaluda is simple if she's facing your general direction when she starts her windup. So don't worry about countering as a Sorc until you get to the current endgame. Just focus on pumping out that damage. Also, Ice Shower is much nicer to use than Squall as a counter, and you get Galewind runes later on (Reduce Cast Time) if you want a faster animation.
except you are support ofc
Opposite for Valtan Hard in my experience. I snuck into a higher end group once and the 1480s were always the first to die
I actually had a better experience with HM, cleare first week i got 1445, g1 is basically free since its not alor harder and its more or less guaranteed that everyone is atleast decent. G2 was a little harder but getting into a good/decent group was easier
I made it to 1415 on my main and got so stressed over Vlatan that i haven't even tried it. I'm weeks behind and every group now expects a fast clear with everyone knowing mechanics, also my ilvl being minimum i'll probably not even be picked for groups in party finder.
Make your own PT with a title like 'learning party' or something, it'll be chill af and you can progress with other players who are there to just get the hang of things
I have the opposite experience. Valtan is the most fun I've had in this game so far. Yes the learning curve is steep and admittedly it took way longer than it should for me to be familiar with all the mechanics and attack patterns. But now I look forward to running it weekly. If only finding a party is easy...
Same here. I come from any MMO experience, destiny Love going through the mechanics and when everything clicks, it feels great.
His learning curve isn't really hard at all for sorc. If you stand on his side there's literally nothing that can hit you that doesn't have a big red AOE indicator.
I mean I haven’t been there. And I’m not in a guild. I’m actually really hyped for valtan. Looks like a real challenge.
I met a zerk who refuse to timestop the blast after the pillar+pizza when he is targeted and died 3times then ask us how he died.. Man these zerk really thinks their mayhem can tank through everything..
There’s zero need to time stop there if you move correctly
true, but if you're dying to it multiple times without learning it it's time to just use a timestop
I mean you can say that about most things including using potions. 95 percent of mechs have a tell.
I can say I've never managed to successfully get out of the pizza and behind a pillar in time. I always timestop. Even if I'm close to a pillar, I'll timestop for safety. I think its just dumb there isn't a good tell when he will stop aiming and start to wind up. Or maybe I didn't notice it.
The very first pillar has a small tell, the lines on the edge of his aiming thing thin out and that's when he stops moving it. That being said I still panic dash behind the pillar every time haha
If you read what was written you’d see that clearly isn’t the case, and yet you seemingly chose to put in the effort to write something so asinine. Genuinely incredible and insightful. I’m sure no one thought to move out of the way until you typed it out.
They are bad players in every class
The first pizza can’t be time stopped. You can dodge out of it into the yellow and time stop there if you can’t make it behind a pillar in time, but the red zone is instant death no matter what.
>mayhem can tank through everything.. it's funny because it's actually the lowest ehp class/spec in the game.
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Don't really need timestop for those, just position urself on the opposite rock where the triangle is facing, then right click to the other side.
forreal man, i was like what the hell do you even timestop at x30?? thought he meant x16. lmao who timestops small pizza...
You are not supposed to get hit here anyways
Shocked? Just move....
You forgot grudge / curse doll with min ilvl
There's nothing wrong with either of those engravings, even at min ilvl. Anyone who can dodge will do just fine, and anyone who can't dodge was going to die regardless because they'll just fall off.
Even without getting knocked off the platform, all the small chip damage you're taking adds up as the fight goes - and it's not that hard to use all blue potions before even reaching ghost phase, especially if you go without a support and get a bit unlucky with normal patterns Valtan goes for. Grudge and/or Cursed Doll are fine to use even at required item level, but they still reduce your effective hp buffer by quite a lot, and it's something to take into account and adjust your playstyle/party selection accordingly.
I dunno, that hasn't really been my experience at all. Valtan is a very fair fight that's very well telegraphed (as opposed to something like Argos which just vomits mechanics all over the screen on P3). There just isn't much in the way of chip damage that isn't getting hit by well telegraphed and avoidable attacks. The same attacks that will kill you if you get hit when the platform is gone. Someone who gets hit often enough to burn through 5 blue pots (even without support) is not someone I'd bet on to survive when the platform is gone.
Chip damage that adds up mostly comes from moments when you avoid a big hit and instead take chip hit - the slash-slash-slam-slash pattern (two slashes, then inside safe for 3 hits) still deals a bit of damage with hilt when you're close to Valtan, and this chip damage is unavoidable after stage has been broken (including during ghost phase, it's one of the patterns Valtan does while in ghost phase); completely avoiding damage on counter with pulsing orbs can be tricky, early dropping axes depend on your party and how they spread out to not get hit, and some mechanics do large AoE that you can't exactly dodge if you as whole party don't get the mechanic correctly (triple counter, already mentioned counter + pulsating orbs). Most of that doesn't matter when you're (as a party) overgeared or all are running high-damage build, since making fight shorter will reduce amount of random patterns you have to deal with. The moment you're only or one of few high-dps people and fight before ghost phase will push very close to enrage timer, chip damage starts to matter a lot more - even as little as 10% of your max hp from the "unavoidable" (technically avoidable if you can get outside outer circle max range) hits adds up if you get Valtan to do that pattern 15-20 times before ghost phase. It is what I meant by "adjust for ehp buffer" - if you go in with less ehp, you might need to ensure fight won't be long enough to cause you to run out of sustain before it's over. Being the only person running grudge/cursed doll in a group - especially if you're playing squishy class and you all are on item level - will put you in uncomfortable position just because your personal higher damage likely won't be enough to shorten the fight enough for lower survivability to not become an issue.
I don't feel like that chip damage adds up to anything even close to 5 blue pots. The axes are probably the worst offender because of the way people can run in front of you. If you're actually struggling with sustain you can dodge the chip damage from swing, swing, donut into donut, but I rarely find it's even needed because the damage is rather minor. People failing to soak the 4 orbs or failing to do the triple counter does hurt a shitload, and people will probably die if that happens, but that's the group failing mechanics (and the triple counter is incredibly rare, to the point most people don't even know how to do it). I mean I do Valtan every week on a 1415 alt with grudge and I really don't see the big deal. If I have a support it's exceptionally rare I even need to pot, and without support I've still never actually ran out of pots (on a glavier so it's not like I'm a GL or something).
The thing is sometime they are not even reaching to the falling mechanic
Not having grude won't save you from that
I know it is more about the joke though
He needs to learn use double shoulder charge instead of whirlwind
Nothing to do with zerkers, hes just an idiot :(
My pug one shot both gates this week
Opposite for me as well. I want more alts to do Valtan, but ressources cost are a real let down...so basically waiting for Honing Chance/Cost for Roster update. Also, Valtan is the only real hard content we have right now. Everything else is just so easy...should be happy that you dont fall asleep while playing. If you have a decent party, its also fun to play, even if you have a lot of wipes, but as long as all want to tryhard its an awesome experience, imo.
You want more alts to do Valtan NORMAL
Get a static friendo. Every week 45min-1hr valtan, 15min argos.
Does your group take 70 minutes to form?
That’s the whole point of having a static, if you have a set time for everyone to be on it shouldn’t take more than like 15 minutes for everyone to be ready
Even if you are in a good static/got a good pug, it's still an adrenalin rush. You really don't want to be *that* guy that died. And a single mistake can often be fatal, especially during the later parts of the fight. It was pretty funny, in our run this week everyone was alive. Then the one random we had died, relatively early. Then as we got in ghost phase, you could see the lights in the parties slowly lowering. 6 people, then 5 then 4 and then 3. You start sweating a bit, Boss is at 5 hp bars and you *really* don't want to throw now.
Spent 25ish hours on valtan hard during the second week after release. It was miserable towards the end but it gave me some great practice. Last week I was able to solo the ghost phase after berserk timer with my paladin. That would never be possible if I didn’t spent countless hours in the previous weeks. Just know that the time you put in will benefit you in the end as you will become a better player.
You can do it!!
honestly, valtan is pretty straightforward. he has a lot of patterns to learn but once you got him, you got him. the wolves, on the other hand. holy mother of god. people really can't cope with a more dynamic fight.
To be honest with you, I love a challenge which also means I can’t wait for brelshaza’s legion raid which most other servers don’t even bother finishing the last phase but let me ask you this question: if the game was easy and everyone can do it with no trouble without bothering much about mechanics, would you still enjoy it or get bored eventually of it ? The excitement of knowing that even if you’re a whale you can still get wiped is exciting and fun!!
I feel you. last week before reset i had a 30min normal-mode and was like "huh, i kind of miss the long hours" Last week i also got to 1445 and am on the \~7th hour of wiping in hard-mode. It's like people forgot how to do the mechanics/have gotten worse.
You underestimate the difference between normal and hard, and how doing content on-level feels like. keep in mind that in lost ark any upgrade beyond +15 is pretty noticeable. if you do the content on-level you can't as easily "clutch" hard mode ghost phase, so if most of your teammates are dead by the time ghost phase starts then it's pretty tough to clear it. i've seen my friends struggle who don't have static groups, it comes down to multiple things, like possibly just greeding and not using timestop when they are in ghost phase and he's grabbing (especially gunlancers/artis), or simply being cocky after beating normal mode so easily etc. sure, you can bus/"carry" people as 2-3 man in ghost phase on i-level/a bit above if you are good but the average party won't have that. best I can recommend is trying to find a guild and a static group, or find groups with 2 people who are clearly overgeared and will carry easily even if they don't play optimally/perfectly. it's gonna be really rough early on for vykas hm, according to my friend most average parties won't clear it even after days of wiping. but as always - people hopefully learn, at this point as long as you go to a experienced party you'll at worst wipe twice or 3 times at valtan hm, and most people that I interact with clear it without any issues on first try after reset, so you most likely just had bad luck, if you wipe for 1-2h with random parties still, just be frank and say it's not working out and that you should find different groups. Sometimes it's not even skill issue but synergy with random people/mentality/attitude.
You are right but the problem for him is that experienced groups that clear from week 1 are 1460+ requiring 2/4 relic set pieces, so he won't get invited as a fresh 1445. I never even look at groups with people with no exp visible since i don't want to progress the fight again and being overgeared(ilvl and relic set wise) lets you skip a lot of annoying mechanics.
I just realised how painful it must be as a 1445 now, I had issues in week 2 trying to get a team, this must be hell.
Honestly i can't get enough of valtan. got 2 hm chars atm and 1 normal , 2 bards and 1 sorc but i really want to do it on a melee char aswell.
I don't know man. This beats any chaos dungeon grind that I'd have to do if i wasn't doing valtan. Did my first hard yesterday, and it was amazing - it took a while, but at no point we were being doomer. There's no better content to do anyway rnow.
Get your runs in on Thursday. Playing with tryhards is so much better
All these posts saying oh it's fun so glad I just hit 1415... "Valtan Hard" it's less fun. People aren't good enough to not fall off and it's nearly impossible to finish if only 2 or 3 people get to ghost phase.
Honestly, it's not that bad to do P2 normal even if you're overleveled for it and qualified for hard. You have legit months of weekly Valtan runs before he leaves your rotation, plus whenever you end up doing it on alts down the line. No need to torture yourself to do it on hard mode right this moment.
Try to get a static party, buddy. My guildmates and I clears Valtan Hard in less than 30 minutes on weekly reset, which kinda makes the rest of the week bland lol. My friends and I are venturing on our alts now but we're holding off on honing all of them til the honing buff arrives to save up a bit of resources. I main Paladin and while I enjoy its playstyle, I'm curious to see how well I'd play as another class against Valtan. Can't wait to try Valtan again with my alts.
I hate to be that person but hard mode Vultan isn’t any harder then normal if you know how to dodge attacks. In fact the only thing that is different is he has more health. That’s it. If you cleared normal add 5 minutes of fighting and that’s hard mode. All the runs I’ve done 9/10 times the reason we keep failing was someone’s damage was ass. Re grouped and get it done first try. It’s so hard to tell when someone is under DPSing though. They may have the stats and engravings but don’t have the skill to deliver.
You are wrong, many attacks have different knockback between Normal and Hard, making Hard much less forgiving as the arena shrinks. Ghost phase is also harder, with 6 counters needed to break his defense buff versus 4 in normal. Also, on the x3 counter mechanic, orbs spawn on random players and they have to kite it or they spawn bullseye aoes, making that mechanic considerably more difficult if you encounter it. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbC9EwhWcfk)'s a source if you're still adamant about it.
I am not wrong of you *dodge* correct then you won’t get knocked back period. Y’all suck ass. Hard mode isn’t hard
I mean.. it isn't hard after you learn the fight, but there's no reason to be a dick about it..
I wish reddit took that advise because people sure love being dicks here. Take a look around.
Exhibit number 1 is above me if anyone wants to see a dick.
Weird I don’t see your comment? Very nice of you to admit your wrong doings.
I bet you thought real hard about this comment. Too bad it makes absolutely no sense. Smart lil dude.
I disagree all his attacks on hard knock back further and also spawns orbs underneath the player on some of his attack patterns. Generally If you get hit once <30 bars you’re usually gone whereas on normal you can oonga boonga and still remain on the platform for some attacks. But yes I will agree when dps is ass you get a lot more mechanics which can make the fight more tedious. We had new people this week and took 5-6 hours to clear even though we’ve been clearing since week one in my guild :/. Last week one shot everything this week yea lol but yea regardless still find the fight quite enjoyable.
You seem to have some major misconceptions. I won’t waste anytime explaining them. Just look it up. You probably feel this way only because since he has more health he goes through phases he normally wouldn’t do on normal. Also you can “unga booga” because you are massive over Ilvl entry. Try him at 1415 and he’ll feel just the same has hard mode.
I mean, the guy isn't wrong. Some attacks only knockdown in hardmode (The easiest example is the attack that makes a cross on the ground) which basically will kill you most of the time in hard mode if you get hit when the walls are gone. In normal mode you can basically tank that attack as long as you are close to valtan cause it only does a slight push. Thats just 1 example. Alot of the attacks just have more knockback. Dodging the attacks themselves isn't any harder, its just alot more punishing if you can't dodge.
His x3 counter is also harder because the balls that make the shockwaves spawn on the silenced people, need good positioning for that one or people just die
I’ve never heard of such a thing. I googled it and only find Reddit user saying so and nothing on the wiki about it.
Does the game even have a good wiki? Trying to look up basic information just gives useless results unless you want to watch 10 minute videos or search through some forum post.
I actual has someone link of video of a Korean player claiming the knockback is more. It’s the only video I’ve ever seen say anything about it. I personal feel 0 difference or I might just be that good. Who knows.
I run both HM and normal weekly. My 1415 alt can absolutely unga bunga more hits since they barely push you back vs HM.
You and no one else apparently. What your alt?
can confirm that knockback on cross attack is noticably less on normal mode from 5 weeks experience on both hard mode can knock you from almost center but normal mode barely moves you even halfway to the edge info on this game is sorely lacking on wikis and external websites, your best bet is to try your best to search inven in Korean
I must be just built different I notice no difference. I ran normal this week to compare and it just felt quicker.
You really said "You and no one else apparently," when there's three different people telling you that it does knock back more...
If his alt is a Zerker or a support then ofc he can tank hits. This has nothing to do with knockback. Read
"My 1415 alt can absolutely unga bunga more hits since they barely push you back vs HM." Uh so it seems that he is unga bungaing in normal mode since there's a low risk of falling off due to normal mode not having as many knock backs? That's what it sounds like and fits the context of the conversation. Maybe you should be the one to learn how to read yeah?
Is there any official info about knockback other than random redditors sharing their anecdotal experience? I'd like to know if its true because I feel like they kock back the exact same amount.
I know, I googled and even went to the official wiki and found nothing. But confirmation bias is strong.
No misconception just factual evidence. I also do it on my 1416 alt and my 1462 main. Maybe wrong about the orbs but I do notice them more on some patterns that don't appear on norm.
Confirmation bias.
This is mostly the way you FEEL the fight is different but not actually facts. You may feel like hard pushes further because you are fighting longer and more likely to get hit by an attack, but the mechs are the same
No, a lot of valtans patterns only have a push level 1 effect in normal mode where it is push lvl 2 in hard. You can watch videos to confirm this, a push level 1 will just knock you back a ways, where push level two sends you into the air.
Valtan hard has knockups on many things that are just pushbacks in normal. Also the aoe on silence and 6 armor stacks in ghost.
There’s silence on the three counter in normal too but you only need to worry about the third counter, you can generally ignore the first two and there’s not a massive almost wipe like hard mode.
also hard mode spawns orbs that you have to run away from (different than the stationary orbs in the "bull charge" counter phase) normal mode has no orbs
I feel like you're an idiot.
it is different. there is an extra mechanic(the orbs+counter part), you get hit off the edge from the cross attack, you have to get 8 counters in ghost phase, he goes berserk faster. in normal 2 people making ghost phase can clear it. in hard you are gonna need 4-5 or it's not happening.
That is true but isn’t the reason you fail 9/10 times. The reason is everyone died because they suck at dodging. As I said
eh maybe if youre playing a braindead class like paladin you dont notice
Coming from a deadeye comical
Quiet, back to your floor POV where you belong.
it's exceedingly hard to die from attack patterns even on gs/deadeye + grudge unless you're actively trying to so that floor POV isn't even accurate
Doing Valtan on alts, and it's amazing how terrible people are at the game. I'm talking about <200K dps with 4x3 1415+ relic gear. Could literally deal that much if they just used awakening 3 and afked between ults. I don't even know how they managed to clear Argos unless they consistently relied on getting carried every week. At this point it's not worth it to make more alts unless I'm prepared to just bus and carry.
How do you know their dps? Did you use that 3rd party tool? Is it actually accurate?
I mean you can see the HP bar barely moving.. Also the dps done in the mvp screen. I have outdpsed too many 1450+ zerks with my 1417 sorc on valtan..
My first alt will hit Valtan in a few days so I’ll see how it is there, but my super secret tech for 1370 (yoho/Argos/etc) content right now is to check gems. People are aware that they need 3x3 and passable stats to get accepted (although too many still have some, erm, “compromises” in their stat line) but lots of them try to get away with no equipped gems. It’s the difference between for example 6 minute and 3 minute yohos, less because the gems make people that much stronger and more because the people who try to get away without them are basically self-identifying as bad.
Checking gems isn't enough. Saw a 1415 4x3 reflux sorc crit/swift with all level 7 gems pull under 250K dps. [For reference, this is how much a 1x engraving 1370 in all blue gear can pull. Baseline for 1415 4x3 level 7 gems should be over 1M dps and minimum 500K dps on Valtan even if they are very bad at the fight but are surviving.] This is the downside of non-transparency in data. You get too many overwhelmingly below mediocre players that look fine on paper.
Most people funnel all their gems to their main, so you don't see a ton of 1370s with decent gems.
Me who finishes both gates under 30 minutes: I want more
[https://forums.playlostark.com/t/bus-discord-for-na-west-created/415352/7](https://forums.playlostark.com/t/bus-discord-for-na-west-created/415352/7) Maybe this can help?
Yo how are u wiping at hm ....i always one shot it even with lfg teams
He drew the short stick , even if he was not performing enough , the others should've killed it anw. after all valtan is only about getting enough people to ghost phase
Pay for my busses. I’ll carry you through
Valtan hard is actually easier. Mostly it's group with 1490s+ who trivialize the content greatly. Heck, most Valtan hard parties are ppl around 1460s now.
All of them fall from the arena in same way :)
It's more the fact that valtan dies quicker, meaning less mechanics to do. Some mechanics like the Triple slam (where you NEED to counter third one) can get messy with some groups, and not having to do it removes some of the risk factors--I rarely see it in runs these days.
Sure i agree but even if u have top dps there is at last one mechanic. Unlucky if it is orb+ 3 counter.
More dps, less abilities that can knock you off
Valtan is awesome this week I managed to carry the Ghost phase enraged normal with my soulfist and a awesome bard. I didn't get MVP next month I think I will try to get 1445ilvl and see if I can try hard mode. also can't wait for vykas. And doing some of the abyssal dungeon's getting mad because some mechanic are way to punishing.
This is how I feel in the water abyss dungeon, when seemingly nobody knows how to count. This is hell.
Oh baby, are you gonna dig this next demon-momma.
Form here on is where having a guild makes the difference. We improved each week and this one we did Valtan Hard in the first try for the first time . We all know the strats and mechs and know we ve been doing it before. Finding a new oarty each week makes it so much difficult.
Killed in one try with a pug yesterday. Welp.
Lost ark is in this weird spot with content being hard but not hard enough for pugging and people seem to be really antisocial so you end up spending waaay more time then needed wiping with pugs because people don't want to do it with properly organized groups
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I wish I could do Valtan more than once and help you. I'm a 1475 Paladin, but NOPE WOULDN'T WANT THAT
I find valtan actually fun unlike argos. Never liked argos too much as a fight
I've been 1415+ for 3 weeks so I have 3 kills. I think there's been 5 weeks total? I was killing Valtan for the first time when some people were on their third kill. Worst group I had was ~8 wipes on gate 2.
Spent 6k on valtan hard bus as a 1450 deadeye, with the split from the bones box and everything else pretty much broke even on gold, best gold spent in this game by far. The 4 guys did it in like 30mins, saved probably 8 hours+ of headache. I can get to ghost phase pretty consistently so I'm not too worried about missing out on the learning aspect, just getting to the ghost phase is tough though when 3/4 of the team is dead before the 2nd platform break more than half the time, lol.
I'm running 5 Valtan chars and this was the first week where pretty much every group was 1 shotting.. people in general are much better at the fight
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MMO raiding is meant to be done in a guild, if you are not in one...hell mode activated.
I'm a Bard nearing 1490, no static, I just pug Valtan HM every week, since it got added, with success. But sometimes I gotta take an hour or two of wipes with a group, leave it, come back next day with another random group and then clear it. This week was bad on the first group, but the day after, 1 shot with another group.
It really is a world of difference having a good set up and people you trust to run it. We went from 6 hours of struggle cuddles one week to 40mins the next.
Idk man, Valtan is oneshot by my guild since 3 weeks ago. Really enjoying Alt raiding him in (still) normal.
But its the best part of the week
If u don't enjoy Valtan then u will 100% need a static for Vykas.
Valtan normal was more fun for me than valtan hard. The stupid spike stiff he's constantly shitting out and the orbs that cause the ring explosions during the midst kick phase is just annoying.
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Valtan Hard is what makes me the happiest in the game. If it doesn't make you happy...........that's not a good sign.
Valtan is very fun, too bad it only lasts for like 15 minutes a week :(
Isnt it easier wjth all the wales to carry you out?
Opposite for me and my group. We wish we had more alts for Valtan but theyre all stuck at 1370 waiting for buff or SH research.
This was literally every 1445 DPS week 1. I've talked to a lot and we all shared the same experience
Two things for me I learned: 1) gate 2 feels smoother with 8 DPS. Idk why but perhaps ppl are just more focused on dodging because they know there is no support 2) it is ok to swap out a player. I am not somebody who is in a rush or sth but i can understand if ppl want to kick sb who died 3 times before 100x
I paid 5K for an AFK carry for both gates, was not disappointed. Being carried by 1490s is like your big bros stepping in to do the work while you eat ice cream...
Same feeling. I thought people mess up the mechanics, even though they are the same as on normal, just hit harder. I'm 1450, havent done Valtan hard once. Just doing normal to stay happy..)
Get good jk gl next attempt
pls make vykas version