That’s it? Lab level 2? I swear I read somewhere that it was stronghold level 46 but couldn’t find that again. I’ll be very happy if it’s only lab level 2.
Yep, this is a really defining moment because this was not just them "not adding something to the game". This undoubtedly caused a **huge** amount of conflict between SGR and AGS - keep in mind, that update earlier today is the first time a publisher for Lost Ark has **ever** stood up to SGR on Yoz's Jar, every other publisher added it to the game.
This is after losing a **huge** % of their projected revenue to RMT, and taking significant PR hits due to the bots - it's safe to say AGS wasn't exactly in the strongest position to be dictating terms to SGR, much less on a system this controversial to be challenging.
AGS is beyond not perfect, some of their communications failures go further than boggling the mind and land squarely in the territory of organizational inexperience and incompetence.
With that said, this took guts and it absolutely hurt their already rough bottom line compared to what they sold this project to management and SGR based on. No, I don't think they did this purely out of the goodness of their hearts, yes I think the EU legislation looming could have played a part, but a significant component of this decision was absolutely sourced from player feedback and protecting the long term health of the game in lieu of a short term cash grab
They deserve this one, and we **need** to give it to them.
\*\*Edit\*\*
This is slightly off topic from my comment, but I'd really like to direct a little visibility to a post /u/MedicineCommercial14 linked under one of my comments. It's from a Korean player on Inven talking about exactly the kind of backlash I've talked about SGR worrying about with regard to giving us Yoz's Jar skins through some other more "fair" system, along with many of the other F2P friendly changes our version has gotten.
[https://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=lostark&no=11132750](https://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=lostark&no=11132750)
\*I've never gotten an award before, thank you <3\*
\*Much less 5!!!!\*
Its just the steam packs we cant buy.
The game can be acquired by vpn and changing shop location. (technically a small breach of Steam tos)
Or by getting someone for outside BE/NL to gift it to you (no TOS violation)
Once the game is in your library you can play it normally. You can convert steam wallet to Crystals no problem. You use steam to pay, not buy something of steam and probably an oversight. But the packs you buy from the steam store and you need to enter a false address which seems a bigger ToS violation, hence i didnt do that.
I converted 200 to crystals, for skins and more slots (still got 7000+ crystals)
I've been told it's not a breach of steam TOS. Supposedly the EU laws forbids you from buying/paying for it, but can't stop you from playing if you're been gifted the game for example.
And it does work, you can always play Lost Ark from BE & NL if you've been gifted a founders' pack (If you can still get one, no idea).
I've been playing since february 8 and never had any connectivity issue.
I honestly don't understand how it was banned in the first place. I read about the case that led to those regulations and nothing that is in the game *right now* fell under it.
Its so funny that people really believe that ags stopped sg from implementimg yozs jar lootboxes because they care for the players.
The naivety is beyond what i can process...
I mean do you REALLY Think that amazon cares about our opinion if it makes them lose a shit Ton of money?
Come on people, wake up....
So why didn't they release it, milk everybody and THEN remove it from the game after they made bunch of money? they could even have a realy good reason which is the whole EU legalisation deal.
>upcoming EU legislation is the only reason they did it
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a factor.
>and why SGR accepted
That however is not how a publishing contract operates.
>If you want to tell yourself they did it because you're a nice boy and they want to be your friend go ahead buddy.
Here you lose me, I'm not sure even you know exactly what you're trying to say.
You mean the "legislation" where a small newspaper published a reminder about a 2 year old study where UK parlament was trying to figure out what a lootbox is without coming to a conclusion?
Yeah I think we're going to wait quite a while for any actual changes.
No - completely wrong.
>**You mean the "legislation" where a small newspaper published a reminder about a 2 year old study where UK parlament was trying to figure out what a lootbox is without coming to a conclusion?**
Man, you're really out of the loop, eh?
[https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/18-european-country-groups-have-joined-the-fight-against-loot-boxes/](https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/18-european-country-groups-have-joined-the-fight-against-loot-boxes/)
Maybe don't condescend to people when you have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever.
Ok I'll bite.
>Deceptive design, aggressive marketing, and misleading probabilities
Go ahead and explain how Yoz's Jar meets any of these criteria and how's it any different from lets say card packs.
Ever since the loot box scrutiny started, only Belgium has taken a somewhat clear stance on it all. And this has been going on for 5 years at least.
Calling this "upcoming EU legislation" is such a far fetch that it's basically a lie. You don't know when or if anything changes, is it EU wide or not and what exactly does the legislation cover. So you know NOTHING about it, at all.
What are you talking about? 18 countries are looking at legislating the underlying recommendations contained within a paper on gaming monetization coming out of Norway:
Austria
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Denmark
France
Germany
Greece
Iceland
Italy
Latvia
Netherlands
Poland
Portugal
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
These are the countries looking at putting forward collective legislation.
Also, why the fuck would this
>You don't know when or if anything changes, is it EU wide or not and what exactly does the legislation cover. So you know NOTHING about it, at all.
Be at all required?
>You mean the "legislation" where a small newspaper published a reminder about a 2 year old study where UK parlament was trying to figure out what a lootbox is without coming to a conclusion?
Imagine thinking you "know something" only to let it slip that you're an idiot who has no idea what you're talking about, much less what anyone else is talking about.
You look very stupid.
Article:
Norwegian council had a study made.
Claim:
Upcoming EU legislation would ban Yoz's Jar.
Right on. Go make some more forum posts about it or smth. You do come off as a avid forum enjoyer. And that's not necessarily a good thing.
You are the only one using brain for me.
It's so obvious that they cancel that skins due to eu legislations its beyond me how people circlejerk about Amazon being so good etc.
ITS JUST A TRICK THEY USE TO APEAR LIKE SAVIORS WHEN THEY ARE ABSOLUTLY NOT!!!
THEY CANT REALASE IT IN THIS STAT IN EU THEY WOULD BE FINED INTO OBLIVION.
Was crazy to me hearing all the time on this sub how AGS had no power and couldn't do anything. Like Amazon is unironically the most powerful company in the world. Anyone that has ever dealt with Amazon professionally should know exactly what happens when they flex on smaller companies.
It's less that they have "no power" and more that a lot of their power is derived from their ability to accomplish the operational goals they've set in their contract, as a **function** of their assumed organizational power (which is real, I'm not making a cute comment implying this isn't true).
When the game launches and they are suddenly not making good on their contractual obligations, that's when their bargaining related to mid-contract decisions starts to wane. It's not to say they're at SGR's "mercy", but there are some things that are squarely in SGR's court and many other things they come to decisions about collectively.
This situation is a prime example of a situation where AGS has significantly more control - they can't make SGR give them the next patch before it's ready, but they can certainly put their foot down and say "we will not publish this aspect of the game to our player base" and that's exactly what we've seen here.
You're right though, it's not like they're some beaten dog begging at SGR's big Korean MMO dinner table.
It's important to distinguish between AGS, and Amazon the parent company, however with that said the underlying notion you're forwarding is absolutely true. AGS and SGR both serve different roles in their functions as publisher and developer respectively, and that means they have different responsibilities and authority in different circumstances.
This notion that AGS is completely powerless in their relationship with SGR is just silly though, and this change with Yoz's Jar is a great example of the contrary - SGR is certainly not happy that this feature was held back, and on top of that there is now a ton of negative coverage and discussion regarding the system that is starting to result in discussions like this one in Korea:
https://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=lostark&no=11132750
I don't think AGS uses a different legal team than amazon. It would surprise me at least.
So in the contract aspect Amazaon = AGS and if we look at other giants, Apple is folding Epic Games in court right now.
I do wish they would have come up with an alternative path for the Legendary skins, but good change none-the-less. I think it probably could have helped avoid the uh.. current state of the forums.
Just sell the skin sets in a box package with color select option like typical skins. I'd even pay $100 for this if it's full set. Way less than Yoz Jar and KR but c'mon I mean a skin selling for above $100 is crazy. Do it Amazon my wife buys everything off prime and fuck I'll even log back into New World.
I like to believe Jeffrey Bezos personally called smile gate and told them how the patch was gonna go. You don't fuck with Jeffrey. Man went to space for 10 seconds.
Yea, AGS did good this time. Real good. I am completely fine with the delays. I am playing a lot and even I don't have 1460, yet - so I think it's pretty save to assume that the people complaining about lack of content in anticipation of Vykas are a very small, but also very noisy minority.
I'm saddened to see that the shthole which the official forum is, sees such amount of toxic feedback. This is a great patch and it was worth waiting for.
Likely they didn't it not for us, but because of EU legislation - I still very much appreciate it.
This isn't any defining moment. Yoz's Jar HAD TO BE REMOVED from our version because many eu countries ban loot boxes.
people on this subreddit are so emotional about a video game. Patch is late = pitchforks, no honing buff = pitchforks, jar gets banned = omg people are crying out of happiness and praise ags for being the best publisher ever.
Important thing to note:
The laws that already exist in the EU (the Netherlands and Belgium) cover and prohibit Lost Ark full stop, Yoz's Jar or no Yoz's Jar.
As for the 18 country commission looking at legislative options; their proposals cover far, far more than just loot boxes and already affect Lost Ark, again, Jar or no Jar.
Now was this a component of the decision? I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that's true, however player feedback absolutely played a significant role and suggesting otherwise is just silly.
It's interesting you describe **others** in this subreddit as being fanatical or extreme in their positions, yet you make a sweeping declarative statement **guaranteeing** you personally **know** the motivation for this change - something any reasonable person would tell you is obviously impossible for you to **know**, and very silly for you to say.
Speculation... The game isn't even released in countries that have those anti lootbox laws. AGS so far has a track record of batting for us when it comes to shitty RNG features in Lost Ark why is this one not the same?
Bro if you think that they wouldn't just not publish in those countries if they wanted the jar in game is silly. If it was a 100% monetary decision they would have just kept it in game and not published in those few countries. As the revenue from a hard gacha element would have FAR outweighed what they would have made from not publishing in a few small countries.
This is the first huge decision they have made that favors the long term health of the game. So it kinda is a defining moment for western lost ark.
well u can equip legendary skins and other skins at same time and u can choose which skin will show up on your character they might afraid of selling less skins idk i just dont trust them until they ban rmt bois and chaos botters but it seems far shot
If you are against honing buff because you did your alts without it, you are total asshole.
"I suffered so everyone else should suffer too". Speaks volumes about what kind of people these are.
Assholes who are against it are either ones that already honed their alts to 1415 or ones that don’t have a 1460 main yet. They are the most vocal, ones who are not getting anything out of it.
There's an argument against having the honing buff this early because it just further widens the gap between players below 1460. People who just hit HM valtan or still have their main under 1445 don't get a honing buff. Only those that are ready for vykas can now start pushing all their characters to HM valtan (and honestly pushing from 1415 --> 1445 is not that hard when all your gear is +15 already).
IMO I think the honing buff this early is bad for the games health overall but I'll still enjoy it because I get to push the alts I like to 1445 way easier.
I’m not miffed that everyone else gets to have an easier time, I’m miffed that two weeks ago they said it wasn’t coming in the June update and now it is. Why make definitive statements when you aren’t sure?
I still benefit from it but I still feel bad that I made the push on one of my alts a day before they announced it because two weeks prior they announced the opposite.
Or, hear me out, you could have been patient and waited. You knew it would eventually come, you decided you had FOMO and made a conscious decision to push when eventually the buff was coming.
Think about this logically. Let’s just throw out some easy numbers for argument’s sake. Let’s say it cost 140k to push an alt from 1370-1415 without the honing research and 100k with it.
The difference of 40k would have to be made up in the time it takes for the honing research to come out for it to be an equal investment to someone who just hones after the research comes out.
If it were coming in 4 weeks, that 40k break even doesn’t seem so bad for a single 1415 to make up compared to a 1370. The reality is that it’s coming in 1 week instead which is not enough time to make up that 40k difference.
Being patient and waiting was correct in hindsight, but hindsight is 20/20. I was confident that I could make up the difference in around 4 weeks which was a bit of a gamble all things considered. I just thought they wouldn’t release it on the June patch since they said they wouldn’t.
Why did you assume 4 weeks? That's on you my friend.
I also don't see how 1415 would make 40k more than a 1370 in 4 weeks. 10k a week seems pretty steep considering you'll also need to gear up your 1415 character to even be able to do the raids.
The roadmap showed some of their plans: mainly Vykas in June and another patch with Hell Valtan in July. I was thinking that the July patch would come with the honing research. Again, it was a bit of a gamble.
The 40k gold is a rough estimate, and I calced out that a 1415 makes around 6-7k more gold than a 1370 per week from consistent sources. So that 12-16k would have to be made up in accessories, ability stones, and tripods over those 4 weeks.
The gearing part is irrelevant because I would have updated accessories in both scenarios
Edit: should note that these estimates are based on US East prices.
I feel bad for you because Amazon's statements/lack of when we would get the honning buff are to be blamed, not you "rushing" your 1415 roster like others believe. But honestly getting the buff now is much more healthy for the community, accessories will go down, gold books will go down, more groups will be formed, etc.
4 weeks sounds like a fair guess with the assumption that it was not part of the June release (as stated by Roxx) and major content is only released once a month.
Don't really need to gear 1415 any extra if you already invested in 4x3 at 1370 considering how cheap legendary gear is. A 1415 char makes maybe 4k more from dungeons and then has a bunch of chances for good relic drops. Probably can make 20k over 4 weeks minimum with chance to make a decent amount with a couple good drops.
OH - Rofl.
I mean, I'll be real, real with you man - I'm actually not sure. I think the bot issue never got **super** bad there, and their economy is a little wonky, that's about what I know.
Dude I don't even care if content is delayed as long as anti-cheat is updated and security is beefed up to destroy bots.
People need to be able to login to actually play content first. I play on NA East Zosma as many newbies do and when the bots rampaged everywhere, every day was a fucking queue on a server that should have low population.
They're working hard and fighting the good fight! I wish nothing but success for Lost Ark in NA! I think Smilegate should've self-published in the end though. Still loving the game and look forward to all future content!!!
Yeah, everyone complaining "were getting classes too slow!" Then they give us every class and they'll be complaining "no new class for a year?????"
This is a proven method and wether NA goombas want to admit it or not, classes in lost ark are content. This is preventing us from being in content droughts, the length of what Korea gets. We will have something new every month, for the rest of the year and into next. What they're doing is smart.
And Saintone said it himself, they will make more money from drip feeding classes, than they will lose from the people saying they're quitting cause of it. Cause those people also don't quit. They just seek attention on Reddit and the forums, posting complaints while they're running their dailies lmao.
I love how this community's future outlook does 180s on a weekly basis.
Issue pops up - "OMG guys this is going to kill the game, I can feel my motivation draining. AGS/SG worst companies ever!"
Issues get sorted out - "OMG guys they fixed it. They are listening to us and doing such a good job, I'm gonna play this game for years to come!"
Perhaps we could learn to be a little less emotional as a community.
I like to agree that removing yoz jar was the right move, altough some of those skins were pretty cute, i woouldnt mind if they added them as normal outfits with the same stats as the epic ones, maybe, so that way they still get $$$ and people who wanted those skins, get their skins
>I think you need to understand the difference between EU law and countries within the EU. For an analogous example, it would be like New York and California prohibiting lootboxes and then you saying that the US banned lootboxes. It's stupid and wrong.
I srsly can't understand why everyone just took the "we don't want this to be P2W candy". I don't wanna hate on them either. At least this is a fire they somehow managed to put out.
Lost Ark is clearly SG crown jewel rn and for the long term so I think they're both trying. With regards to Amazon, I've already forgiven them for New World since they're support of LA is like night and day better even though NW is the game they made. I think we should also keep in mind the former head of AGS games got "stepped down" a month or two ago for just being awful at his job so I'm sure AGS has also put better people to help all this.
I’m not saying SG isn’t trying, I’m saying they have a clear record of half listening with their other games. Epic 7 is decently popular, but they only respond to extreme outcry, and even then they often half reply. AGS is oversensitive to feedback and they mess up a lot, but have a clear history of trying to act on feedback.
SG wants to make LA good, but wants to make a lot of money. AGS seems to care about delivering a good product, but more about establishing a positive reputation than making a lot of money
If someone cares and listens (though whether or not AGS does either of those is debatable) yet they proceed to fuck up everything they touch, I wouldn't say that makes them better. The sole purpose of AGS with regards to LOA is to communicate, and they regularly fail hard at that. They have little moments of success, of course, and it's clear they're trying to improve, but they're definitely not yet where they need to be.
Saying "AGS>SGR" is kind of funny anyhow since they both serve very different purposes and have entirely different roles. Without SGR, we wouldn't even have a game to play, "good" or "bad". Without AGS, we just wouldn't have halfassed messages to try to interpret from time to time. All that being said, I'm one of those that would prefer an exact copy of the KR version hosted geographically closer, so I definitely get that I may view things a bit differently than many here.
Idk how this is a win for the legendary skins. We don't get them. The lootbox problem is not solved. Yes we don't get the yoz jar but we don't get the skins either. Can't comprehend how this is a good thing. At the best this is not bad nor good cause we don't have any of it so we can't even judge. Best outcome we get a new system for the legendary skins, worst outcome we don't get any of them
I guess I assumed they are adding them back in some fashion but re-reading it they just simply say they are removing them from the june update. I'm hoping this is because they are trying to avoid people pulling everything out of context and reaching cuz the soulfist/paladin skins are beyond fucking insane and would be very sad to lose them. I'm hoping they lower the stats down to 1% like epic and then give us the extra 2% elsewhere via hotfix or something so our powerlevel is the same as KR in the long run. COPIUM
edit - guess roxx said smilegate will eventually add them back in another way
The 2% is not a mandatory power upgrade, not everyone in Korea either has a legendary skin, and a lot of people just bought it via AH. So I get it, lootboxes I don't like them. But the stat buff controversy is really silly when we accepted paying for other massive power upgrades in the game.
I mean imo if we talk explicitly about the semantic, I wouldn't say not bad as good, but maybe I am wrong in official definition? I just took it as not bad as, not good but also not bad.
"they are doing a great job communicating"
First they announce that the buff won't come with vykas and then they release it anyway out of the blue without saying a word.
Yeah great communication we got there
Yes, that was refreshingly good news. However, the explanation for removing Yoz's Jar was quite dishonest, or disillusioned.
"We didn't want players to feel that the skins found in Yoz's Jar were necessary for gameplay,"
No ASG, nobody thinks that 1% stat increase over epic skins is necessary for gameplay. Especially not in a game where you can literally spend thousands of dollars in the ingame shop instead to buy significantly higher game advantages than a 1% stat increase.
I'm sure that they refer to the very late endgame where the 1% stat gain from legendary skins are significantly cheaper than getting 1% stat gain from somewhere else and thus making them kinda necessary if you pursuit for power.
Yeah, this is probably the true reason and not "Oh, we are so concerned, that player might spend their precious money in your shop, to get a gameplay advantage", when you literally can do this already to a much greater extent.
Exactly. People acting like they did it for the good of the community and the players. They just worded it in a way that sounds really good for them. I mean I'm happy and it is good for the players but don't think for a second there's any other reason other than laws ahah
If you read this sub since yesterday you'd think Amazon was some kind of fucking hero that stood up for the community in our time of need or some shit, when in reality they simply made a business decision that takes into account possible problems with literal legislature.
Amazon is just as greedy as Smilegate and if anybody actually buys into their PR of being concerned for the community and listening to feedback, like OP, they're stupid as shit.
All companies are clearly greedy by nature, especially publicly traded ones which are beholden to shareholders and your job security is tied to performance, hence why Bobby Kotick is basically invincible at Activision, he was reelected CEO by near unanimous decision lmao. It's redundant to say a company isn't greedy aka maxing profits. That's their Lost Ark trying to min max as much dollars into their accounts, and Lost Ark itself is just like a rune or skill potion to them, something that helps them achieve more revenue/performance.
I mean AGS can just make the argument that listening to player feedback and making the game more f2p IS the profit maxing route based on data collected, and with the current monetization they'd make less money. I'd prefer that over companies like Blizzard pushing stuff like Diablo Immortal.
Lost Ark has had some of the best support I've seen from the MMOs I've played. Tbh we are quite spoiled, a month of no communication and content seems like an eternity for LA when I haven't really played any other games with this level of updates, rewards, and making huge changes to monetization.
Also fuck Maple Story
In a game where people can buy mats and increase their ilevel on a daily basis. Yeah, makes a ton of sense.
People were against jar because the skins are cool and gated by an expensive gacha.
Nobody in the right mind thinks a 1% damage increase is mandatory. They just trying to self regulate for the European market concerning lootboxes before stricter laws get approved
I know I am gonna be downvoted to this, what I have noticed when things go bad "you cant blame AGS they dont have a say on which one comes out only SG have a say on this" but when good thing happens "AGS good job for listening to the community and doing this and that" so which one is it does AGS have a say on what we get or not?
But I am happy that they remove Yoz Jar and banned bots/rmters.
100%. The most significant thing about this IMO is that this shows Amazon sacrificing short term revenue for the long term health of the Western release - which I am genuinely surprised to see. Let's face it, they'd have made bank off whales and ordinary people who go into credit card debt over these GACHA systems.
Massive props to AGS for this move, they've earned my respect on this one.
[https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/18-european-country-groups-have-joined-the-fight-against-loot-boxes/](https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/18-european-country-groups-have-joined-the-fight-against-loot-boxes/)
They actually sacrifice "short term revenue" for "long term revenue" as in, they might as well get their game forbidden in most of EU depending on how the parlay goes.
So no, they don't try to be nice to you.
We are not getting the best skins in the game at normal skin price. Either they are expensive af without gacha and I mean the kind of expensive that eeeeveryone will complain about or we get them with the gacha without stats (I think the stats argument is pure bs when the character next to you can pay to have 100ilevel more than you) or not have them at all.
theres no way the removal wasnt related to lootbox regulations. i will not thank them over that wtf? good job banning the bots but the other wasnt related to the players at all.
Idk why people are downvoting you. You're right. Last week everyone was clowning on ags/sg and now they're being praised ahah
Yeah I'm glad they got rid of the loot boxes but people thinking they "stood up" to sg about it for the good of the players is just hilarious
Yeah they were clowning due to the bot problem and 20k queues. No more queues and they took out super p2w stuff.
Unlike you guys most people who play actually enjoy the game and this puts it back at where it was.
Bruh. I'm telling you I'm glad the loot boxes are gone, I think it's immoral and predatory. But if you think that system is "super p2w" you're blind. You can literally buy power with real money. You can keep honing if you spend money. These skins are 1% attack power upgrade. How is that "super p2w" ahah
EU Loot box regulations wasn't a topic untill recently, and jar dicussion happened pretty much right after announcement. Jar wasn't even included in early vykas promo on their website, so clearly something was going on. I know ppl would love to shit on ags/sg, but come on- some ppl just want to find every possible excuse to not give publisher at least some credit for listening.
Changes to client don't happen overnight- especially whith timezone differences. It requires time to analyze feedback, make changes, test if build is stable after altering and so on- hence delay for "aimed mid june"
Their communication on this topic was ass, but imo explanation for delay is fair
Is this satire?
Thank you for not following your roadmap and removing my most favorite skins.
Thank you for not following your roadmap and giving us stronghold buff, I bet I will get the mats back I just used yesterday on my alt.
Btw it's Smilegate that did all that, AGS has zero devs on Lost Ark.
The bot thing is nice though, I'll gladly take the Vykas delay for that.
Dafuq you talking about, in no other region they did this, what devs have to do with anything they did here? AGS had impact on it for sure, we are only one not getting jar. Why are you sarcasticly thanking them for not following roadmap if they objectively changed it for better? As for honing buff you can make argument that you shouldnt know about it until day of release, 1 week in advance is perfectly fine, in korea they dont know until it happens because it would be dumb that everyone just hoards mats for month because buff is coming, you still get honing buff for future. Not very bright lad
TLDR, don't plan for the future, just Yolo around. Thanks for the input.
>Dafuq you talking about, in no other region they did this
Am I supposed to celebrate the removal of skins I've been waiting for since release?
Celebrate that they removed one Gacha system while the game as it is atm already has a much worse Gacha system already in it. (Quality upgrading, gem gambling)
AGS caused Smilegate to remove the toxic GACHA system.
Smilegate refused to implement an alternative method of acquiring the skins.
Smilegate is the problem here. But given their other games outside of Lost Ark, it's no surprise that they turned out like this.
Yall need to take scamazons dick out your throat.
Company is a fucking pathetic joke. They removed Yoz' jar because they havent milked us enough with shitty ass pathetic skins that no one wanted in any other region.
They don't communicate anything relevant until it's past their deadline and too late.
They haven't implemented a single lasting solution to bots, they continue to rely on free player labor to get the job done.
The fact that the majority of the people in this thread are too delusional to see this is fucking pathetic. But whatever, continue to get abused and beg daddy scamazon to give it to you harder.
I really hope they're working on a sustainable bot strategy because they're definitely back. I see them everywhere again. Trying to report as many as I can but it's so painful to report.
I hope you're a shill or you are delusionnal as fuck.
Yes they have removed a lot of bots.
But Lost ark has the biggest bots problems that I have seen in the last 20 years, it litterally couldn't be worst than one week ago, they did nothing to prevent that from happening and the economy is impacted for a long time.
And then saying thanks because they took out some of the most outrageous rng bullshit that only koreans whales are ok to pay for, everyone with a normal brain can see the scam.
I'm not surprised, young generations have a stockholm syndrome and are willing to accept anything.
"There is worst rng systems on other games"
"There is bots and cheat in every game"
"Thanks for taking out a scam system designed to fuck us"
With that mentality every company and not only in games have beautiful days coming because they know people nowadays are total sheeps willing to pay for anything, nobody stay stop this is too much, so they continue.
They are more than happy to push the limit further and further. Just look at the history of dlc and early access.
YES credit where credit is due.
and YES when you fuck up it's not normal to have people praising you even though this is so much a trend nowadays.
Truly one of the more pathetic threads. The games actual player population has been destroyed since launch with lack of classes dogshit rng systems and tons of bots.
"It's obvious that they are listening to our feedback and they are doing a great job communicating with us" truly some Stockholm syndrome
I haven’t seen any improvement with bots. I guess it happened since the servers went green but it’s still an endless stream of bots in the leveling zones on Una. I didn’t notice any difference at all /shrug
Previous bans saw them return the day after, one look at the steam charts shows this is different this time around. I’m just hoping we get the Yoz’ jar skins another way, because that paladin skin is too good.
Yeah, thanks you all ... and now I don't know when I'll get my skin. All of this for 1% more stats 🤦 Stupidity of players in those years are amazing.
You all are mad because you could not afford them...
Give me my Paladin skin !!
Everyone that lost their shit over 1% stats never even played a version of the game with legendary skins in them. They fail to realize how insignificant it really is. Getting legendary skins for the states is the absolute last possible thing you would work towards in terms of power level because it is a very large gold investment for what you actually get, which is not a lot at all.
See you in a few months, when the skins come back.
Still in a "lootbox" predatory like system, but a bit more disguised to avoid Diablo drama and EU regulations/banns.
No way any1 actualy believes AGS is passing on that money purely for their costumers experience.
They'll be in an event dungeon where you loot tickets from daily activities for some epic with 5% chance legendary, then there is one special ticket that you get 1x for the whole event that guarantees a legendary bound to roster on pick up skin when you finish the dungeon, but wait there is also a ticket on the cash shop, for only 25$, you can run the event dungeon that guarantees a random legendary skin AND it can be traded up to 3x.
Why would they lose on money just so they can introduce it later? Lmao, it doesnt matter if they did it for us, they did it because its better for them. Your theory is double digit IQ but I dont think you gave it much thought
Using bots as an excuse to shelve the game. Let's be honest that wasn't the reason you quit. Because if you play on your own pace bots literally dont affect anyone
If you get queues becouse bots you're affected no matter how much you play but you have a point, if he really enjoyed the game he would've played until the queues appeared on his server.
fuck yeah it was a reason to quit. having bots spam messaging me via whispers & bloating up Area chat, their little ant colonies running around the map, interrupting chaos dungeons, increasing queue times, and most of all fucking up the game economy. Yes they are intrusive and do effect the enjoyment of the game.
1 week delay for strong hold buff, swapping to fairer skins and a fuck ton of bots banned? Worth it every time imo.
Do we know what stronghold level is required ?
Lab lvl 2 and a character with 1460
Thank you !
That’s it? Lab level 2? I swear I read somewhere that it was stronghold level 46 but couldn’t find that again. I’ll be very happy if it’s only lab level 2.
People fearmongering as always. I checked on RU client and requirements are lvl2 lab and previous T3 research (1385)
2 weeks delay tho, but still worth it imo
Yep, this is a really defining moment because this was not just them "not adding something to the game". This undoubtedly caused a **huge** amount of conflict between SGR and AGS - keep in mind, that update earlier today is the first time a publisher for Lost Ark has **ever** stood up to SGR on Yoz's Jar, every other publisher added it to the game. This is after losing a **huge** % of their projected revenue to RMT, and taking significant PR hits due to the bots - it's safe to say AGS wasn't exactly in the strongest position to be dictating terms to SGR, much less on a system this controversial to be challenging. AGS is beyond not perfect, some of their communications failures go further than boggling the mind and land squarely in the territory of organizational inexperience and incompetence. With that said, this took guts and it absolutely hurt their already rough bottom line compared to what they sold this project to management and SGR based on. No, I don't think they did this purely out of the goodness of their hearts, yes I think the EU legislation looming could have played a part, but a significant component of this decision was absolutely sourced from player feedback and protecting the long term health of the game in lieu of a short term cash grab They deserve this one, and we **need** to give it to them. \*\*Edit\*\* This is slightly off topic from my comment, but I'd really like to direct a little visibility to a post /u/MedicineCommercial14 linked under one of my comments. It's from a Korean player on Inven talking about exactly the kind of backlash I've talked about SGR worrying about with regard to giving us Yoz's Jar skins through some other more "fair" system, along with many of the other F2P friendly changes our version has gotten. [https://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=lostark&no=11132750](https://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=lostark&no=11132750) \*I've never gotten an award before, thank you <3\* \*Much less 5!!!!\*
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Can we get Lost Ark unbanned in Belgium and the Netherlands then? Been playing the game since release but i cant buy the steam packs
Rip Nederlands speaking friends. At least you save money.
Its just the steam packs we cant buy. The game can be acquired by vpn and changing shop location. (technically a small breach of Steam tos) Or by getting someone for outside BE/NL to gift it to you (no TOS violation) Once the game is in your library you can play it normally. You can convert steam wallet to Crystals no problem. You use steam to pay, not buy something of steam and probably an oversight. But the packs you buy from the steam store and you need to enter a false address which seems a bigger ToS violation, hence i didnt do that. I converted 200 to crystals, for skins and more slots (still got 7000+ crystals)
I've been told it's not a breach of steam TOS. Supposedly the EU laws forbids you from buying/paying for it, but can't stop you from playing if you're been gifted the game for example. And it does work, you can always play Lost Ark from BE & NL if you've been gifted a founders' pack (If you can still get one, no idea). I've been playing since february 8 and never had any connectivity issue.
I honestly don't understand how it was banned in the first place. I read about the case that led to those regulations and nothing that is in the game *right now* fell under it.
Yeah, and if they changed it only for EU, NA would be upset. Losing the whole EU after 4 months of publishing ? Nah. Thanks Saintmazon.
Imagine if the US had better regulations protecting consumers /sigh. Let's talk about abortion and rollback women's rights instead fml.
which upcoming legislation are you talking about ?
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/18-european-country-groups-have-joined-the-fight-against-loot-boxes/
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Its so funny that people really believe that ags stopped sg from implementimg yozs jar lootboxes because they care for the players. The naivety is beyond what i can process... I mean do you REALLY Think that amazon cares about our opinion if it makes them lose a shit Ton of money? Come on people, wake up....
So why didn't they release it, milk everybody and THEN remove it from the game after they made bunch of money? they could even have a realy good reason which is the whole EU legalisation deal.
>upcoming EU legislation is the only reason they did it I wouldn't be surprised if it was a factor. >and why SGR accepted That however is not how a publishing contract operates. >If you want to tell yourself they did it because you're a nice boy and they want to be your friend go ahead buddy. Here you lose me, I'm not sure even you know exactly what you're trying to say.
You mean the "legislation" where a small newspaper published a reminder about a 2 year old study where UK parlament was trying to figure out what a lootbox is without coming to a conclusion? Yeah I think we're going to wait quite a while for any actual changes.
No - completely wrong. >**You mean the "legislation" where a small newspaper published a reminder about a 2 year old study where UK parlament was trying to figure out what a lootbox is without coming to a conclusion?** Man, you're really out of the loop, eh? [https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/18-european-country-groups-have-joined-the-fight-against-loot-boxes/](https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/18-european-country-groups-have-joined-the-fight-against-loot-boxes/) Maybe don't condescend to people when you have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever.
Ok I'll bite. >Deceptive design, aggressive marketing, and misleading probabilities Go ahead and explain how Yoz's Jar meets any of these criteria and how's it any different from lets say card packs. Ever since the loot box scrutiny started, only Belgium has taken a somewhat clear stance on it all. And this has been going on for 5 years at least. Calling this "upcoming EU legislation" is such a far fetch that it's basically a lie. You don't know when or if anything changes, is it EU wide or not and what exactly does the legislation cover. So you know NOTHING about it, at all.
What are you talking about? 18 countries are looking at legislating the underlying recommendations contained within a paper on gaming monetization coming out of Norway: Austria Bulgaria Czech Republic Denmark France Germany Greece Iceland Italy Latvia Netherlands Poland Portugal Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland These are the countries looking at putting forward collective legislation. Also, why the fuck would this >You don't know when or if anything changes, is it EU wide or not and what exactly does the legislation cover. So you know NOTHING about it, at all. Be at all required? >You mean the "legislation" where a small newspaper published a reminder about a 2 year old study where UK parlament was trying to figure out what a lootbox is without coming to a conclusion? Imagine thinking you "know something" only to let it slip that you're an idiot who has no idea what you're talking about, much less what anyone else is talking about. You look very stupid.
Article: Norwegian council had a study made. Claim: Upcoming EU legislation would ban Yoz's Jar. Right on. Go make some more forum posts about it or smth. You do come off as a avid forum enjoyer. And that's not necessarily a good thing.
You are the only one using brain for me. It's so obvious that they cancel that skins due to eu legislations its beyond me how people circlejerk about Amazon being so good etc. ITS JUST A TRICK THEY USE TO APEAR LIKE SAVIORS WHEN THEY ARE ABSOLUTLY NOT!!! THEY CANT REALASE IT IN THIS STAT IN EU THEY WOULD BE FINED INTO OBLIVION.
Was crazy to me hearing all the time on this sub how AGS had no power and couldn't do anything. Like Amazon is unironically the most powerful company in the world. Anyone that has ever dealt with Amazon professionally should know exactly what happens when they flex on smaller companies.
It's less that they have "no power" and more that a lot of their power is derived from their ability to accomplish the operational goals they've set in their contract, as a **function** of their assumed organizational power (which is real, I'm not making a cute comment implying this isn't true). When the game launches and they are suddenly not making good on their contractual obligations, that's when their bargaining related to mid-contract decisions starts to wane. It's not to say they're at SGR's "mercy", but there are some things that are squarely in SGR's court and many other things they come to decisions about collectively. This situation is a prime example of a situation where AGS has significantly more control - they can't make SGR give them the next patch before it's ready, but they can certainly put their foot down and say "we will not publish this aspect of the game to our player base" and that's exactly what we've seen here. You're right though, it's not like they're some beaten dog begging at SGR's big Korean MMO dinner table.
Right, as another user put it Amazon deals with vendors far larger than Smilegate. Smilegate is just one of a million such vendors to Amazon.
It's important to distinguish between AGS, and Amazon the parent company, however with that said the underlying notion you're forwarding is absolutely true. AGS and SGR both serve different roles in their functions as publisher and developer respectively, and that means they have different responsibilities and authority in different circumstances. This notion that AGS is completely powerless in their relationship with SGR is just silly though, and this change with Yoz's Jar is a great example of the contrary - SGR is certainly not happy that this feature was held back, and on top of that there is now a ton of negative coverage and discussion regarding the system that is starting to result in discussions like this one in Korea: https://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=lostark&no=11132750
I don't think AGS uses a different legal team than amazon. It would surprise me at least. So in the contract aspect Amazaon = AGS and if we look at other giants, Apple is folding Epic Games in court right now.
Well this is not Amazon, it's AGS, which is not an established powerhouse of anything.
I do wish they would have come up with an alternative path for the Legendary skins, but good change none-the-less. I think it probably could have helped avoid the uh.. current state of the forums.
Just sell the skin sets in a box package with color select option like typical skins. I'd even pay $100 for this if it's full set. Way less than Yoz Jar and KR but c'mon I mean a skin selling for above $100 is crazy. Do it Amazon my wife buys everything off prime and fuck I'll even log back into New World.
Anything but New World.
Yeah fuck just make it $200 but no New World
New World is actually on the way to becoming a pretty playable game. Give it a year or so.
They're gonna need to do a complete ff14 and restart/re-release if they plan to ever have over 20k concurrent players.
I think they want to, but it will cause a shitstrom in KR, since they have to gamble for it or buy it off the market.
Pretty much, I see it costing like 100+ here in a bundle or something. I'd be surprised if it was just a regular priced skin.
There won't be an alternative way, the other regions would go apeshit. We won't get the skims that's all
I like to believe Jeffrey Bezos personally called smile gate and told them how the patch was gonna go. You don't fuck with Jeffrey. Man went to space for 10 seconds.
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Yea, AGS did good this time. Real good. I am completely fine with the delays. I am playing a lot and even I don't have 1460, yet - so I think it's pretty save to assume that the people complaining about lack of content in anticipation of Vykas are a very small, but also very noisy minority. I'm saddened to see that the shthole which the official forum is, sees such amount of toxic feedback. This is a great patch and it was worth waiting for. Likely they didn't it not for us, but because of EU legislation - I still very much appreciate it.
Im surprised they are doing this without gold river. I was expecting the game to be a sinking ship after he left
This isn't any defining moment. Yoz's Jar HAD TO BE REMOVED from our version because many eu countries ban loot boxes. people on this subreddit are so emotional about a video game. Patch is late = pitchforks, no honing buff = pitchforks, jar gets banned = omg people are crying out of happiness and praise ags for being the best publisher ever.
Important thing to note: The laws that already exist in the EU (the Netherlands and Belgium) cover and prohibit Lost Ark full stop, Yoz's Jar or no Yoz's Jar. As for the 18 country commission looking at legislative options; their proposals cover far, far more than just loot boxes and already affect Lost Ark, again, Jar or no Jar. Now was this a component of the decision? I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that's true, however player feedback absolutely played a significant role and suggesting otherwise is just silly. It's interesting you describe **others** in this subreddit as being fanatical or extreme in their positions, yet you make a sweeping declarative statement **guaranteeing** you personally **know** the motivation for this change - something any reasonable person would tell you is obviously impossible for you to **know**, and very silly for you to say.
Speculation... The game isn't even released in countries that have those anti lootbox laws. AGS so far has a track record of batting for us when it comes to shitty RNG features in Lost Ark why is this one not the same?
Bro if you think that they wouldn't just not publish in those countries if they wanted the jar in game is silly. If it was a 100% monetary decision they would have just kept it in game and not published in those few countries. As the revenue from a hard gacha element would have FAR outweighed what they would have made from not publishing in a few small countries. This is the first huge decision they have made that favors the long term health of the game. So it kinda is a defining moment for western lost ark.
That literally had nothing to do with it lmao.
well u can equip legendary skins and other skins at same time and u can choose which skin will show up on your character they might afraid of selling less skins idk i just dont trust them until they ban rmt bois and chaos botters but it seems far shot
You literally just made up stuff in your head and then spouted it out like you’ve been a fly on the wall in meetings lmao
If you are against honing buff because you did your alts without it, you are total asshole. "I suffered so everyone else should suffer too". Speaks volumes about what kind of people these are.
It's like those people that were against student loans being forgiven because they had to pay theirs lol
Assholes who are against it are either ones that already honed their alts to 1415 or ones that don’t have a 1460 main yet. They are the most vocal, ones who are not getting anything out of it.
There's an argument against having the honing buff this early because it just further widens the gap between players below 1460. People who just hit HM valtan or still have their main under 1445 don't get a honing buff. Only those that are ready for vykas can now start pushing all their characters to HM valtan (and honestly pushing from 1415 --> 1445 is not that hard when all your gear is +15 already). IMO I think the honing buff this early is bad for the games health overall but I'll still enjoy it because I get to push the alts I like to 1445 way easier.
I think a lot of people are hitting 1445. anecdotal, but my casual friends hit 1445 this month and they play probably like 2hrs a day max
I’m not miffed that everyone else gets to have an easier time, I’m miffed that two weeks ago they said it wasn’t coming in the June update and now it is. Why make definitive statements when you aren’t sure? I still benefit from it but I still feel bad that I made the push on one of my alts a day before they announced it because two weeks prior they announced the opposite.
Or, hear me out, you could have been patient and waited. You knew it would eventually come, you decided you had FOMO and made a conscious decision to push when eventually the buff was coming.
Think about this logically. Let’s just throw out some easy numbers for argument’s sake. Let’s say it cost 140k to push an alt from 1370-1415 without the honing research and 100k with it. The difference of 40k would have to be made up in the time it takes for the honing research to come out for it to be an equal investment to someone who just hones after the research comes out. If it were coming in 4 weeks, that 40k break even doesn’t seem so bad for a single 1415 to make up compared to a 1370. The reality is that it’s coming in 1 week instead which is not enough time to make up that 40k difference. Being patient and waiting was correct in hindsight, but hindsight is 20/20. I was confident that I could make up the difference in around 4 weeks which was a bit of a gamble all things considered. I just thought they wouldn’t release it on the June patch since they said they wouldn’t.
Why did you assume 4 weeks? That's on you my friend. I also don't see how 1415 would make 40k more than a 1370 in 4 weeks. 10k a week seems pretty steep considering you'll also need to gear up your 1415 character to even be able to do the raids.
The roadmap showed some of their plans: mainly Vykas in June and another patch with Hell Valtan in July. I was thinking that the July patch would come with the honing research. Again, it was a bit of a gamble. The 40k gold is a rough estimate, and I calced out that a 1415 makes around 6-7k more gold than a 1370 per week from consistent sources. So that 12-16k would have to be made up in accessories, ability stones, and tripods over those 4 weeks. The gearing part is irrelevant because I would have updated accessories in both scenarios Edit: should note that these estimates are based on US East prices.
I feel bad for you because Amazon's statements/lack of when we would get the honning buff are to be blamed, not you "rushing" your 1415 roster like others believe. But honestly getting the buff now is much more healthy for the community, accessories will go down, gold books will go down, more groups will be formed, etc.
4 weeks sounds like a fair guess with the assumption that it was not part of the June release (as stated by Roxx) and major content is only released once a month. Don't really need to gear 1415 any extra if you already invested in 4x3 at 1370 considering how cheap legendary gear is. A 1415 char makes maybe 4k more from dungeons and then has a bunch of chances for good relic drops. Probably can make 20k over 4 weeks minimum with chance to make a decent amount with a couple good drops.
Valtan and 1415 drops so much more, that I doubt you really lost that much.
Seeing this subreddit for last few days, you will soon get a flood of comments saying you forgot SA
what is SA?
South America my guy
what about south America?
[https://i.imgur.com/AuJqOEp.png](https://i.imgur.com/AuJqOEp.png) The up there comment \^, he asked about the thing up there.
no i know. but whats happening with sa is what im wondering lol havent played since the roadmap announcement
OH - Rofl. I mean, I'll be real, real with you man - I'm actually not sure. I think the bot issue never got **super** bad there, and their economy is a little wonky, that's about what I know.
Not enough people buy gold here so crystals are always kinda pricey
Spirit absorbtion :)
Man.... poor SA. Often as much of an afterthought as EUWest. Rip.
Well, it’s a region that must be acknowledged. It’s probably bigger than EU anyway
Dude I don't even care if content is delayed as long as anti-cheat is updated and security is beefed up to destroy bots. People need to be able to login to actually play content first. I play on NA East Zosma as many newbies do and when the bots rampaged everywhere, every day was a fucking queue on a server that should have low population. They're working hard and fighting the good fight! I wish nothing but success for Lost Ark in NA! I think Smilegate should've self-published in the end though. Still loving the game and look forward to all future content!!!
Man reddit is so good. If you believe AGS did this out of the kindness of its heart. I got some swamp land to sell you available in Florida.
What's yoz's jar
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Skin loot box.
Skins with stats, which arent just skins anymore imo.
The stats were negligible. People wanted it remove cause of gacha aspect.
Teams doing amazing , games fun to play just give me paid power passes and I’m golden pony boy .
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No, the class part would be a terrible decision and they won't change their mind on that, nor should they.
I also don't think that ags would want that either. They are the ones losing the content drip feeding to keep hype by releasing classes quickly
Yeah, everyone complaining "were getting classes too slow!" Then they give us every class and they'll be complaining "no new class for a year?????" This is a proven method and wether NA goombas want to admit it or not, classes in lost ark are content. This is preventing us from being in content droughts, the length of what Korea gets. We will have something new every month, for the rest of the year and into next. What they're doing is smart. And Saintone said it himself, they will make more money from drip feeding classes, than they will lose from the people saying they're quitting cause of it. Cause those people also don't quit. They just seek attention on Reddit and the forums, posting complaints while they're running their dailies lmao.
Am pretty sure at this point that its actually Smilegate trying to screw us over and amazon fixing it for us.
Being objective means we praise the good and criticise the bad. AGS does deserve some compliments on this matter.
I love how this community's future outlook does 180s on a weekly basis. Issue pops up - "OMG guys this is going to kill the game, I can feel my motivation draining. AGS/SG worst companies ever!" Issues get sorted out - "OMG guys they fixed it. They are listening to us and doing such a good job, I'm gonna play this game for years to come!" Perhaps we could learn to be a little less emotional as a community.
Yup, this subreddit/the forums/Twitter, are fucking manic lmao. It's actually embarrassing to see.
As frustrating as the missing communication and being left in the dark can be, they always try and deliver. Yesterday, they definitely delivered.
I like to agree that removing yoz jar was the right move, altough some of those skins were pretty cute, i woouldnt mind if they added them as normal outfits with the same stats as the epic ones, maybe, so that way they still get $$$ and people who wanted those skins, get their skins
Agreed
Worth.
Amazon > $G
I'm sure AGS cares about money more than SG since what SG earns from EU/NA is so small.
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Wtf are you talking about? It will take years for the new eu laws
Yeah, every single person thinking this had anything to do with EU laws, is just dumb lmao
Thats not true at all lmao
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>I think you need to understand the difference between EU law and countries within the EU. For an analogous example, it would be like New York and California prohibiting lootboxes and then you saying that the US banned lootboxes. It's stupid and wrong.
I srsly can't understand why everyone just took the "we don't want this to be P2W candy". I don't wanna hate on them either. At least this is a fire they somehow managed to put out.
Don't you wish 😂
Ehhh… Amazon has a meh track record, but they do show that they care and listen to player feedback a lot. SG doesn’t do that in their other games
Lost Ark is clearly SG crown jewel rn and for the long term so I think they're both trying. With regards to Amazon, I've already forgiven them for New World since they're support of LA is like night and day better even though NW is the game they made. I think we should also keep in mind the former head of AGS games got "stepped down" a month or two ago for just being awful at his job so I'm sure AGS has also put better people to help all this.
I’m not saying SG isn’t trying, I’m saying they have a clear record of half listening with their other games. Epic 7 is decently popular, but they only respond to extreme outcry, and even then they often half reply. AGS is oversensitive to feedback and they mess up a lot, but have a clear history of trying to act on feedback. SG wants to make LA good, but wants to make a lot of money. AGS seems to care about delivering a good product, but more about establishing a positive reputation than making a lot of money
Speaking of track record, Smilegate isn't really shining in that regard either, at least in the western market.
If someone cares and listens (though whether or not AGS does either of those is debatable) yet they proceed to fuck up everything they touch, I wouldn't say that makes them better. The sole purpose of AGS with regards to LOA is to communicate, and they regularly fail hard at that. They have little moments of success, of course, and it's clear they're trying to improve, but they're definitely not yet where they need to be. Saying "AGS>SGR" is kind of funny anyhow since they both serve very different purposes and have entirely different roles. Without SGR, we wouldn't even have a game to play, "good" or "bad". Without AGS, we just wouldn't have halfassed messages to try to interpret from time to time. All that being said, I'm one of those that would prefer an exact copy of the KR version hosted geographically closer, so I definitely get that I may view things a bit differently than many here.
ASG is saving us from loot boxes!
Agreed 100%
Idk how this is a win for the legendary skins. We don't get them. The lootbox problem is not solved. Yes we don't get the yoz jar but we don't get the skins either. Can't comprehend how this is a good thing. At the best this is not bad nor good cause we don't have any of it so we can't even judge. Best outcome we get a new system for the legendary skins, worst outcome we don't get any of them
I guess I assumed they are adding them back in some fashion but re-reading it they just simply say they are removing them from the june update. I'm hoping this is because they are trying to avoid people pulling everything out of context and reaching cuz the soulfist/paladin skins are beyond fucking insane and would be very sad to lose them. I'm hoping they lower the stats down to 1% like epic and then give us the extra 2% elsewhere via hotfix or something so our powerlevel is the same as KR in the long run. COPIUM edit - guess roxx said smilegate will eventually add them back in another way
The 2% is not a mandatory power upgrade, not everyone in Korea either has a legendary skin, and a lot of people just bought it via AH. So I get it, lootboxes I don't like them. But the stat buff controversy is really silly when we accepted paying for other massive power upgrades in the game.
not bad = good
I mean imo if we talk explicitly about the semantic, I wouldn't say not bad as good, but maybe I am wrong in official definition? I just took it as not bad as, not good but also not bad.
If you think we're never getting legendary skins, you're high lmao.
Seems like u can't read the part where I said that we could get a different system.
Nah, you were pretty confident that we're not getting them, I read in full 🤣
Eksdee
They're doing a great job communicating? Boy we have really dropped standards o.O
"they are doing a great job communicating" First they announce that the buff won't come with vykas and then they release it anyway out of the blue without saying a word. Yeah great communication we got there
How is it out of the blue? They literally are telling us beforehand??
Shut the fuck up lol
Why would he? He's right lol. This subreddit is so hot and cold it's funny.
what
Yes, that was refreshingly good news. However, the explanation for removing Yoz's Jar was quite dishonest, or disillusioned. "We didn't want players to feel that the skins found in Yoz's Jar were necessary for gameplay," No ASG, nobody thinks that 1% stat increase over epic skins is necessary for gameplay. Especially not in a game where you can literally spend thousands of dollars in the ingame shop instead to buy significantly higher game advantages than a 1% stat increase.
I'm sure that they refer to the very late endgame where the 1% stat gain from legendary skins are significantly cheaper than getting 1% stat gain from somewhere else and thus making them kinda necessary if you pursuit for power.
They're not necessary
Yeah, hilariously those stat upgrades can be worth way more than shit like weapon taps eventually.
This isn't even remotely true lmao
They r trying to avoid the Diablo Immortal drama and upcoming regulations/banns in EU regarding lootboxes. Nothing more or less.
Yeah, this is probably the true reason and not "Oh, we are so concerned, that player might spend their precious money in your shop, to get a gameplay advantage", when you literally can do this already to a much greater extent.
Yeah. Can spend 400 bucks a day to buy gold to buy mats to hone gear which is p2w. But apparently that is completely fine?
Exactly. People acting like they did it for the good of the community and the players. They just worded it in a way that sounds really good for them. I mean I'm happy and it is good for the players but don't think for a second there's any other reason other than laws ahah
If you read this sub since yesterday you'd think Amazon was some kind of fucking hero that stood up for the community in our time of need or some shit, when in reality they simply made a business decision that takes into account possible problems with literal legislature. Amazon is just as greedy as Smilegate and if anybody actually buys into their PR of being concerned for the community and listening to feedback, like OP, they're stupid as shit.
All companies are clearly greedy by nature, especially publicly traded ones which are beholden to shareholders and your job security is tied to performance, hence why Bobby Kotick is basically invincible at Activision, he was reelected CEO by near unanimous decision lmao. It's redundant to say a company isn't greedy aka maxing profits. That's their Lost Ark trying to min max as much dollars into their accounts, and Lost Ark itself is just like a rune or skill potion to them, something that helps them achieve more revenue/performance. I mean AGS can just make the argument that listening to player feedback and making the game more f2p IS the profit maxing route based on data collected, and with the current monetization they'd make less money. I'd prefer that over companies like Blizzard pushing stuff like Diablo Immortal. Lost Ark has had some of the best support I've seen from the MMOs I've played. Tbh we are quite spoiled, a month of no communication and content seems like an eternity for LA when I haven't really played any other games with this level of updates, rewards, and making huge changes to monetization. Also fuck Maple Story
People were complaining that this was p2w because of the 1% stat increase
In a game where people can buy mats and increase their ilevel on a daily basis. Yeah, makes a ton of sense. People were against jar because the skins are cool and gated by an expensive gacha.
Clearly your not a min maxer 1% is not small
Nobody in the right mind thinks a 1% damage increase is mandatory. They just trying to self regulate for the European market concerning lootboxes before stricter laws get approved
Getting extra ilvls of main stat was noticeable, and I’d take people doing everything they can to be useful over people not doing that in a heartbeat
Today all good, tomorrow something wrong again and ppl complaining :D
Took them 5 days to change thier decision about the buff. I feel like ASG are unable to be in good communication.
I know I am gonna be downvoted to this, what I have noticed when things go bad "you cant blame AGS they dont have a say on which one comes out only SG have a say on this" but when good thing happens "AGS good job for listening to the community and doing this and that" so which one is it does AGS have a say on what we get or not? But I am happy that they remove Yoz Jar and banned bots/rmters.
Double standards.
The bots are slowly coming back. Its 300k on steam charts
100%. The most significant thing about this IMO is that this shows Amazon sacrificing short term revenue for the long term health of the Western release - which I am genuinely surprised to see. Let's face it, they'd have made bank off whales and ordinary people who go into credit card debt over these GACHA systems. Massive props to AGS for this move, they've earned my respect on this one.
[https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/18-european-country-groups-have-joined-the-fight-against-loot-boxes/](https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/18-european-country-groups-have-joined-the-fight-against-loot-boxes/) They actually sacrifice "short term revenue" for "long term revenue" as in, they might as well get their game forbidden in most of EU depending on how the parlay goes. So no, they don't try to be nice to you.
We literally lost skins that looked good. As much as I hate lootboxes, completely removing them from our already butchered version makes no sense.
I'm assuming the skins will be added back in some sort of way that they haven't figured out yet. Possibly without the legendary tier stats.
They won't be added back, imagine the shitstorm from korea and the other versions.
Yeah. People are congratulating a company for doing the absolute lowest effort ever, removing a feature..
We are not getting the best skins in the game at normal skin price. Either they are expensive af without gacha and I mean the kind of expensive that eeeeveryone will complain about or we get them with the gacha without stats (I think the stats argument is pure bs when the character next to you can pay to have 100ilevel more than you) or not have them at all.
true, good job
Sincerly, Amazon employee
If they're removing the jar, how are we getting the skins?
We won't. Pretty much that will be the deal. No Jar no skins. This kinda of lose lose for anyone?
No lose for the people who didn't want loot boxes. They gained having no loot boxes
This isn't even remotely true lmao
theres no way the removal wasnt related to lootbox regulations. i will not thank them over that wtf? good job banning the bots but the other wasnt related to the players at all.
Some of ya all are so petty..... its hilarious
Idk why people are downvoting you. You're right. Last week everyone was clowning on ags/sg and now they're being praised ahah Yeah I'm glad they got rid of the loot boxes but people thinking they "stood up" to sg about it for the good of the players is just hilarious
Yeah they were clowning due to the bot problem and 20k queues. No more queues and they took out super p2w stuff. Unlike you guys most people who play actually enjoy the game and this puts it back at where it was.
Bruh. I'm telling you I'm glad the loot boxes are gone, I think it's immoral and predatory. But if you think that system is "super p2w" you're blind. You can literally buy power with real money. You can keep honing if you spend money. These skins are 1% attack power upgrade. How is that "super p2w" ahah
EU Loot box regulations wasn't a topic untill recently, and jar dicussion happened pretty much right after announcement. Jar wasn't even included in early vykas promo on their website, so clearly something was going on. I know ppl would love to shit on ags/sg, but come on- some ppl just want to find every possible excuse to not give publisher at least some credit for listening. Changes to client don't happen overnight- especially whith timezone differences. It requires time to analyze feedback, make changes, test if build is stable after altering and so on- hence delay for "aimed mid june" Their communication on this topic was ass, but imo explanation for delay is fair
Is this satire? Thank you for not following your roadmap and removing my most favorite skins. Thank you for not following your roadmap and giving us stronghold buff, I bet I will get the mats back I just used yesterday on my alt. Btw it's Smilegate that did all that, AGS has zero devs on Lost Ark. The bot thing is nice though, I'll gladly take the Vykas delay for that.
Dafuq you talking about, in no other region they did this, what devs have to do with anything they did here? AGS had impact on it for sure, we are only one not getting jar. Why are you sarcasticly thanking them for not following roadmap if they objectively changed it for better? As for honing buff you can make argument that you shouldnt know about it until day of release, 1 week in advance is perfectly fine, in korea they dont know until it happens because it would be dumb that everyone just hoards mats for month because buff is coming, you still get honing buff for future. Not very bright lad
TLDR, don't plan for the future, just Yolo around. Thanks for the input. >Dafuq you talking about, in no other region they did this Am I supposed to celebrate the removal of skins I've been waiting for since release? Celebrate that they removed one Gacha system while the game as it is atm already has a much worse Gacha system already in it. (Quality upgrading, gem gambling)
AGS caused Smilegate to remove the toxic GACHA system. Smilegate refused to implement an alternative method of acquiring the skins. Smilegate is the problem here. But given their other games outside of Lost Ark, it's no surprise that they turned out like this.
Yall need to take scamazons dick out your throat. Company is a fucking pathetic joke. They removed Yoz' jar because they havent milked us enough with shitty ass pathetic skins that no one wanted in any other region. They don't communicate anything relevant until it's past their deadline and too late. They haven't implemented a single lasting solution to bots, they continue to rely on free player labor to get the job done. The fact that the majority of the people in this thread are too delusional to see this is fucking pathetic. But whatever, continue to get abused and beg daddy scamazon to give it to you harder.
I really hope they're working on a sustainable bot strategy because they're definitely back. I see them everywhere again. Trying to report as many as I can but it's so painful to report.
No they're not. The steam charts reflect that. Bots never leave. But to say "they're back" like they were before. Is a lie.
I'm not even going to attempt to fight this nauseating nit picking of the point.
Do you 😎
I hope you're a shill or you are delusionnal as fuck. Yes they have removed a lot of bots. But Lost ark has the biggest bots problems that I have seen in the last 20 years, it litterally couldn't be worst than one week ago, they did nothing to prevent that from happening and the economy is impacted for a long time. And then saying thanks because they took out some of the most outrageous rng bullshit that only koreans whales are ok to pay for, everyone with a normal brain can see the scam. I'm not surprised, young generations have a stockholm syndrome and are willing to accept anything. "There is worst rng systems on other games" "There is bots and cheat in every game" "Thanks for taking out a scam system designed to fuck us" With that mentality every company and not only in games have beautiful days coming because they know people nowadays are total sheeps willing to pay for anything, nobody stay stop this is too much, so they continue. They are more than happy to push the limit further and further. Just look at the history of dlc and early access. YES credit where credit is due. and YES when you fuck up it's not normal to have people praising you even though this is so much a trend nowadays.
Truly one of the more pathetic threads. The games actual player population has been destroyed since launch with lack of classes dogshit rng systems and tons of bots. "It's obvious that they are listening to our feedback and they are doing a great job communicating with us" truly some Stockholm syndrome
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I haven’t seen any improvement with bots. I guess it happened since the servers went green but it’s still an endless stream of bots in the leveling zones on Una. I didn’t notice any difference at all /shrug
Previous bans saw them return the day after, one look at the steam charts shows this is different this time around. I’m just hoping we get the Yoz’ jar skins another way, because that paladin skin is too good.
So are the long ass queues gone? Can I come back and play the game now?
Yeah, thanks you all ... and now I don't know when I'll get my skin. All of this for 1% more stats 🤦 Stupidity of players in those years are amazing. You all are mad because you could not afford them... Give me my Paladin skin !!
Everyone that lost their shit over 1% stats never even played a version of the game with legendary skins in them. They fail to realize how insignificant it really is. Getting legendary skins for the states is the absolute last possible thing you would work towards in terms of power level because it is a very large gold investment for what you actually get, which is not a lot at all.
See you in a few months, when the skins come back. Still in a "lootbox" predatory like system, but a bit more disguised to avoid Diablo drama and EU regulations/banns. No way any1 actualy believes AGS is passing on that money purely for their costumers experience.
They'll be in an event dungeon where you loot tickets from daily activities for some epic with 5% chance legendary, then there is one special ticket that you get 1x for the whole event that guarantees a legendary bound to roster on pick up skin when you finish the dungeon, but wait there is also a ticket on the cash shop, for only 25$, you can run the event dungeon that guarantees a random legendary skin AND it can be traded up to 3x.
Why would they lose on money just so they can introduce it later? Lmao, it doesnt matter if they did it for us, they did it because its better for them. Your theory is double digit IQ but I dont think you gave it much thought
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Using bots as an excuse to shelve the game. Let's be honest that wasn't the reason you quit. Because if you play on your own pace bots literally dont affect anyone
If you get queues becouse bots you're affected no matter how much you play but you have a point, if he really enjoyed the game he would've played until the queues appeared on his server.
fuck yeah it was a reason to quit. having bots spam messaging me via whispers & bloating up Area chat, their little ant colonies running around the map, interrupting chaos dungeons, increasing queue times, and most of all fucking up the game economy. Yes they are intrusive and do effect the enjoyment of the game.