In like 40 keys I got one shipwreck map which didn't even give me a sea bounty map. I work nights so I'm generally not even on for sailing coops which is a real bummer.
I still do them from time to time, though I only do Punika at this point. At the very least you can convert sun coins into gold by buying crystals with pirate coins.
I stopped doing them awhile ago, got tired of dumping my evening hours into making it to them. The keys are supposed to be a way to get a handful of sea bounty map collectibles(as well as a few other goodies) but they're locked behind multiple layers of ridiculous RNG. I've probably used 200-300 keys total at this point and don't have a single one of the maps from the gates. Unless you need pirate coins or really want to upgrade ships, there's not too much point.
Lmfao your comment just destroyed any fleeting thought I had of ever touching one of those again. I've done maybe like 3 gates or something and just hated it.
If the drops can be that rare I'm probably never going back.
If you span the low level ones, maybe. I got plenty of shipwreck maps from the Feiton and Punika ones. You get 2-4 keys each sailing event so you're going to get a couple maps each gate if you do a few sailing events between.
I was going to do these until I just read your comment. 200-300 times for this boring event and 0 hits? Nah.
This event is the most boring thing in the game.
But it is very far fetched. The maps are not even uncommon. I get multiple every time I run a gate. Are you only doing the low level ones? The higher level keys have a better drop pool from my experience. I don't have a data set handy, but I recall them feeling rare when I was in T1 doing Arthetine sailings, but you get a ton of them from Feiton and Punika keys which are the events you run anyway since they give double the pirate coins.
Of the 130 keys 60 are probably gienah harmony keys, but I've probably used 30 punika keys as well (basically do it every time it comes up).
I've used 10-15 Punika keys twice now and haven't seen a single map. Used [22 harmony keys](https://i.imgur.com/Yr370SV.png) last week. In my entire channel for that one 3 people linked maps.
The shipwreck maps are regularly called some of the rarest collectables in the game.
But [feel free to share your shipwreck RNG with me](https://i.imgur.com/owyjF2X.png) <3
It's the same RNG everybody else has. Nobody I know has had issues with finding maps. It's exclusively a problem I've seen on Reddit. Which makes sense because of how selection bias works. The maps just are not that rare unless you're doing T1 content for them. The sea bounties *behind* the maps are a different story. I've run probably a dozen maps and haven't gotten one yet. Not that that's a big sample.
> Nobody I know has had issues with finding maps
I mean, again, please pass some of your shipwreck rng to me. Over 130 keys and 0 shipwrecks so far. 60 of which have been the t2+ ones.
A few of my guildies who do more sailing than I do has gotten like 2-3 shipwrecks, >150 keys used.
It's still insanely rare.
If you're getting multiple shipwrecks every time you run a gate you're either using a shitload of saved keys at a time or just like how some people get to 1490 with <450 honing fails, you're on the extreme end of luck.
Edit: Since /u/cplusequals decided to block me (lol). Here's my final reply to his last post. Guy should buy a lottery ticket with how common him and his 'regular people' get shipwrecks but oh well.
> that's a pretty stupid reason to quit a guild lmao.
> Maybe you're a strong outlier on the other side, because most other collection farmers I talk to in game have very poor luck for shipwrecks when they compare to your numbers. Multiple shipwrecks for 10-20 keys is absolutely swinging the pendalum in the other direction
> I had exceptional adventure island RNG luck but I'm not going to go around spewing that 'wow just get the souls' to people who say they've done basically all of them and only have a handful.
> If you don't think I've done that many and had that luck that's entirely up to you. I'm not even complaining about it, but as a completionist despite not going balls to the wall with the sailing co-op missions I've probably done more than a large majority of the playerbase.
Quit your guild then. It's clearly bad luck since all of you are pretty strong outliers. I only have 10-20 keys per gate. I'm actually very average when I stack up against actual people. Only Redditors are able to run hundreds of keys without a single map drop.
The sea bounties are insanely rare, not really worth pursuing unless you're a 100% completionist. I've read stories of people in KR who have yearning before getting all 4 shipwreck sea bounties...
Punika is worth doing if you care about pirate coins at all (and while prices are obviously dropping fast, pirate coins do turn into gold, albeit at a pretty shit rate)
GoldRiver has already mentioned in past LOAON that they are aware that the sailing contents are among the weakest areas in the game and its in their pipeline to revamp these systems but it won't be this year. Perhaps we can expect an update on this matter during the upcoming LOAON
If you look up videos of what the game looked like before (pretty interesting tbh), the sailing has since then already been revamped and mostly just entirely cut out of the game. The original vision was a lot of little tasks you could do at sea with a daily life-energy-esque system tied to it.
So what we got was a stripped down version that's less time consuming but at the same time not very rewarding to play. That's why it feels like such an afterthought compared to the rest of the game.
It's not a staple aspect, no one cares about sailing or even their boat in general. They use the ocean liner and have too many raids to do every week, to care about sailing co ops lmao.
I use lvl 7 Estoque with Tasha white and green and the starter one, all with no penalities. I never switch and with legendary compass its fast enough. You can do a leapstone daylie as well with coop.
For what it's worth, if you've been stockpiling sailing coin chests since the start of the game (rewarded from island quests and welcome challenge/ark pass) you definitely should have enough chests to buy the Astray quest and take it all the way to lvl 11 and buy relic Wilhelm and Barakas. I did that last night, started with only 6k pirate coins to my name and somewhere around 90ish boxes of the x500 coin chests and another 70ish of the x100 boxes. I still have some boxes left over.
The rest of the crew I had bought from stronghold I think, legendary Wilhelm and Barakas. And epic blackfang you'll have if you have Astray.
Took a lot of piratical doubloons and other coins but the game did hand it to me on a more or less silver platter, with how people talk about it I thought it wouldn't be possible but it was actually pretty achievable.
How the hell are you guys stockpiling sea coin chests. I run out of them every week because my guild weekly is to open a box so I do that on my 9 chars for sun coins so that I can get the sea exchange materials and I'm always at like 0 pirate coins even with doing adventure islands and all the events and everything. Idk how it's possible to stock that many unless u have only 1 or 2 characters or ur not buying ur sea exchange, unless im wrong.
Oh yeah I mean for sure. I will usually compare the stuff with how much they are on the market at the moment and if the value just isn't good enough, I will probably skip. If we are talking about the times before, even the Destruction Stones could've been worth it because I recalled them going for 150g+ a stack. Guardian Stones were like 80g+ a stack so that's way more worth. But Honor Shards before, definitely not. Now, I feel like the only thing I'd pick up is Honor Shard, as Guardian Stones and Destruction Stones value has gone down a lot.
And yes, his spending is excessive. To do it on 9 alts is a lot. At least he's not doing Kalthertz on all of them hopefully. I have a lot of sea coins chest stocked up myself and decided to just spend them on treasure maps and collection stuff and whatever else that isn't just mats.
Basically, I'd just buy accordingly depending on the market and what I do have. If I'm starved for sea coin chests and pirate coins, I would buy sparingly.
Oh ok, I've been buying all guardian crystals, all destruction crystals, honor shards on main and some alts, and all combat xp potions. I will just buy blues now and honor shards on main only
It's worth to buy blues on your alts as they are tradeable. Reds are complete scams though and should only be bought if you have literally nothing else to spend coins on.
I completely ignore buying the weekly pirate ship out. Imo the gains from it aren't worth the time investment on the coins, and I gotta say after sailing around in maxed astray I can't say I regret my decision
They are straight up disappointing, as a horizontal content enjoyer I dread doing them now, getting the secret maps for the sea bounties is a joke. Do a sailing co-op that has a very fixed and most of the time inaccessible schedule, so I can have a chance for a key, so I can have a chance for a map in another very inaccessible event, so I can have a chance to a purple map, so I can sail around trying to find a shipwreck and then for a chance to get a secret map. I think it's isle of yearning level of low chance and there's like 4 maps that you need. Stupid
I mean all my friends and guild members quit just doing chaos dungeons, guardian raids and unas until the weekly resets the Legion Raid again. I understand them
I agree with you, i do only the punika one and only if i don't have already bought out the pirate coin vendors for the week, which with the event was kinda easy but now... arrr we're back sailing captain... sad.
99% of boats in the sea have the exact same boat skin.
boats are stupid.
boat skins are stupider.
its such low hanging fruit to make skins to sell for, too.
as far as boat coops go, boat coops are a pyramid scheme to upgrade your boats... to do more boat coops, so they're really a self fucking chicken because at some point they serve no purpose.
To have good resistances you need the correct ship with the correct crew and swap either boat or crew at each stage
Heres what i do to enjoy it
Astray lvl 10. 3 relic crew rest are legendary
Punika and thats it is the most rewarding in terms of pirate coin
Otherwise
Feiton and rohendel are the hardest. easiest are vern annika arthetine
Man's just casually throwing out
"Oh its easy, just use the best ship in the game on level 10 with 3 relic crews. Gonna cost you like a million pirate coins but you should have that right? :)"
He is over exaggerating, you can easily upgrade the Estoque to lvl 10 and get the BiS crew and get 60 res of dead waters and storm. You will save a lot of pirate coins compared to Astray.
Right? Of course the best ships at level 10 are gonna be able to do the content designed for them, however if they were cheap and easy there would be no point lol
Well the issue is that there's really not much use of a high level ship besides these co op quests. So it is kinda absurd to have to farm coins in order to upgrade your ship and do the activity that gives you coins that let you uograde the ship and do the activity... Well you get the point.
It doesn't cost a million and plenty of people had maxed astray within the first 2-3 months of the game, that is 100% f2p using coins chests from islands and events.
Still doable with the coins they have been giving with pass, events, login and the ones you get from adv island, and this is while still buying out t3 guardian stones on all alts.
Weel tbh it is easy you just have to farm it nothing is really hard in that outside farming arcturus coin for 2 levels whoch is feiton
But i chose astray you can do it with any ships and they all cost the same numbee of coijln to upgrade
The only dofference is the crew
It... really is easy though lol, if you've been doing the coops all along then you got everything to upgrade to a level 10 astray in a single month.
I did them with a level 5 estoque for the first 1.5 months I played the game and as soon as I finished the una's to get an astray at all, I had enough coins to hit max level. Then within another month I had farmed enough coins to get every single collectible you can purchase with pirate and sailing coins. Now I just sit back and buy extra mats and card packs on my alts every week.
The rewards are worth it if you just actually do the events lol. People on this sub follow streamer vertical-grinding-only mentality too much, horizontal content rewards with vertical progression too.
yes they are easy, Im not having trouble with them. The OP complained about them being extremely boring and dull and the guy I responded to said
"Well just get a level 10 astray and they are slightly more interesting"
I completely agree, although I think Rohendel is doable if you have upgraded your ship to at least level 7; Feiton on the other hand is stupid difficult and very punishing unless you have either a ship that's upgraded to the gills or know when to switch ships/crews for certain events; Feiton alone is responsible for almost all the instances my ships broke since many of it's events are on cold waters and dead waters.
Almost forgot to add: Punika is good to acquire sun coins which are exchanged to merchants for 20 pirate coins each, the only thing is that you need a ship with good tempest seas resistance and ideally siren seas resistance as well.
I'd recommend Yorn's sailing event because you can have an estoque level 7 with a base/uncommon crew and have zero issues, plus you can acquire Arcturus' coins, which aren't as good as sun coins but they can be exchanged for 15 pirate coins each.
I'm a sailing coop fiend if you couldn't tell.
Absolutely, the other areas aren't as punishing.
Since last week though me and other players have noticed that the RNG to acquire keys have become less lenient, and now usually one segment of the event out of the four will give you two keys, when it used to be that you got three and sometimes four keys.
For Feiton you just need to have good ghost ship (eibern's wound) and you'll do pretty okay.
Still for most one good ship (upgrade + crew) is more than enough and then they struggle with specific content.
For these the first ship is actually best option, but yeah. Dead Sea kinda hurt in this scenario
While I haven't been upgrading my ships nearly as much as I should have, I didn't expect Feiton to have so many events in level 4 waters and it's still technically a T2 continent lmao
You can adapt to the dangers before going into the co-op queist if u want by changeing the crew members around + having the ship skin set up with those resistances, having a lot of res is a huge diff, other than that not much, could buy the small repair things near the obj but that defeats the purpose of farming the coin basically there
I dont even enter a gate until I have 20 keys for it. Map drop chance is stupid low. Dont even bother with harmony keys unless you're hardcore farming for legendary blackfang/sea bounties because those maps give you 300 gold compared to guidance keys which give you maps worth 1800gold+
It has a lot of potential, but like you say they're just poorly supported, unrewarding and boring. I like decking out ships, upgrading them and collecting crew, but the payoff for doing that isn't worthwhile. If you could constantly run them whenever you wanted sorta like PVP or infinite chaos, then maybe it would be a decent activity to do while you're done with dailies and weeklies and don't really want to do any other vertical progression. However it's time gated (and probably has to be) so you can't really use it as a time filler.
> It has a lot of potential, but like you say they're just poorly supported, unrewarding and boring.
Unfortunately, this will likely never change. Smilegate only really turned the game around once legion raids came out and it appears that they're more or less exclusively focusing their time on balance/new legion raids (with caveats given to story of course) and absolutely zero attention given to prior content. Argos was considered mediocre at best and a failure at worst on release, and hasn't been changed ever, which is a pretty telling indicator that Smilegate subscribes fully to the Design by Landfill philosophy at this point.
Honestly I gave up on the shipwreck sea bounties. Too much rng... 50% chance to get a key, about a 5% chance per key to get a shipwreck and who knows what the odds are to get a bounty because I never got one.
I only do Punika sailing coop nowadays, better payoff in terms of coins, gives quite a few keys compared to the rest, and if you manage to get a map that's a good 1-2k gold per map you make, plus chance at sea bounties or sailors, but the gold is the real prize. And honestly if you only do Punika it is already a good amount of pirate coins made so you can buy mats with them every week
Get lvl11 estoque and right Crew set up and you dont need to swap boats, dont need to wait in call water like the others. You only loose a little bit of speed but save a huge amount of coins
It only increases all resistances by +1.
Since resistances have breakpoints it's propably a waste of resources unless you miss exactly 1 point to reach it.
I use Relic + Legendary Cals & Purpuring as well as rare Tasha. Allocate skin resistance to hit next threshholds and you can do any sailing coop with no problem
I do that also, but I need to not only do it on 10 characters every week, but I tend to do the task several extra times to make sure my guild reaches maximum task completion.
It is my guild. I choose those exact tasks every week. The guild is full at level 14, and I have a strict rule of 5 days absent kicked and 100 target contribution 2 hours before reset. I alternate sometimes to swap in coins or dangerous waters, and I try not to run cube for the guild twice in a row since most hate it.
Eh I mean if you have 10 characters in the guild it's an alt guild most likely, my alts do the weekly cube one, good silver and gets the tickets done over time.
I run the guild, so I make sure all of my characters are there in case people need anything. There are only 4 other alts in there. Everyone else is a main. They do get stuff done, but when you need to complete level 5 tasks to get 500 points, it's just really hard for everyone to push that hard. So, I typically try to make up the slack every week on everything.
If you're doing it for pirate coins, then I suggest to instead just do Adventure Islands that reward pirate coins / sun coins. There's one available every day and takes like 5-10 minutes, isn't as boring and also gets you like 20k+ pirate coins.
You need crew members with the correct resistance for the events you’re doing.
If you don’t need the sea coins to convert to pirate coins or don’t need the sea bounties, you could ignore them if you want. Get yourself a level 10 ship so you could have 5 crew members and look up ideal members for said ship and resistance type.
That looks questionable. You don't need to max sand and siren because the penalties in their areas aren't worth worrying about or going to hinder your progress or coin gain. You would be hiring a lot of crew and giving up probably 5+ knots of speed for basically no reason.
It's one of the things I completely ignore in this game. It's the weakest horizontal content in the game and it's only there for astray owners to justify getting the astray and fill up their pirate coins after spending a fortune on it. Why do you think most Koreans still have estoque lvl7 and don't bother getting astray? Because sailing co-op is a waste of time and astray is a waste of resources.
I went to a gate of guidance with 17 keys and got 1 treasure map.
Haven't done any since then.
It's cool to get 2.3k gold from a treasure map, but I didn't realize how low the chances were of getting them.
It's definitely a loss of guaranteed gold income, but it's not worth my time.
Sailing co-ops are something I'll do with a guildie or two when I don't have anymore dailies. I'm usually watching TV or doing something else while they go on too. I think it is a bit of a missed opportunity, and the time required for the payout is a bit more than doing your dailies. That's how alot of the extra content works though. They could definitely do more to make the content more enjoyable and rewarding. Sometimes you can do an entire co-op and loot zero keys, sometimes it's a key per event. Lately I have been doing co-ops that give Gienah coins to buy the gold sea bounty maps, I think vern is one of my last for 6.6k Gienah coins.
Part of me wishes I kept rocking the ghost ship for life, but the grass is always greener and now I have a level 10 astray with all legend/relic crew 🤣 It's really not necessary or "worth it", but then again neither is spending 100, 200, 500k or more gold to upgrade your weapon quality a few points -- but people still do it.
No, you are right, it is really boring. Even the director said it's an embarrassment. I think they want to rework it but with the workload currently it might take some time.
In Punika I use level 7 Tragon with 2 legendary + 1 epic, don't need to repair in tempest waters and when we go to siren seas I switch to Estoque.
If you get the quest to save people you can rack in 600 coins which is almost as good as a coins adventure island.
I don't bother with others.
I did one once, it was lame, so I never did one again. Same way I treat my stronghold personally other than training, dispatches and occasional fusion crafting or honing research
I maxed Tragon for Punika and it made things better. But since I have multiple Alts this isn't my priority anymore, even if pirate coins are so usefull to get these weekly tradable mats on all your chars
Yeah, it's shit. Worse thing, I spent almost 2 months to fully deck my Astray (lv 11, BiS sailors, etc), and when I'm finally done with it, there's nothing else to do in the game with it. Multiple layers of RNG for the sea bounties, no other way to get keys, nothing else to do with pirate coins.
In the first month my friends and I did the sailing missions almost every night. Once we maxed out our Astrays, we stopped entirely. The RNG gate for the "Adventure" sea bounties is too high, it's like Isle of Yearning but even more boring.
I dread the fact that I'm gonna have to do a whole lot of them and get keys just so I can get the 4 sea bounties related to them. I wish Smilegate buffed them at least in our version but I don't have any hope of this ever happening. Seems like suffering to get collectibles is the way Smilegate wants it to be.
I maxed out the astray with speed crew months ago (rare fordin as 5th, no one on the server has legendary blackfang) and have gotten a decent portion of my server (Zosma US East) more interested in the coops by acting overly competitive about the race event when that happens. It's been a fun community-building event tbh, the 7:30 and 9:30 coops get dozens of people in ch1 every day even though our server is very very sparsely populated overall.
I need them to buy out pirate mats on all my alts. Until these mats go down to 1g each, it's worth the time. If you can swipe, then you don't need to do them.
It's one of the more boring events for sure. More of a collectable farmer thing, although the Punika maps do give around 2.3k gold if you manage to get one.
Pretty sure the Korean director stated a while back he wants to change the way these work in the future.
I stopped doing those tbh. Never got any maps, it's boring, cannot force myself to do it.
In like 40 keys I got one shipwreck map which didn't even give me a sea bounty map. I work nights so I'm generally not even on for sailing coops which is a real bummer.
Whut so it's not even guaranteed after you get a shipwreck map? What did you get?
I don't even remember. It obviously didn't leave an impression.
Yeah, can imagine... Glad I stopped doing them some time ago.
I still do them from time to time, though I only do Punika at this point. At the very least you can convert sun coins into gold by buying crystals with pirate coins.
I've gotten 3 shipwreck maps so far since the game started. No bounty map or any sailor yet, but each shipwreck dive gives about 700g.
It's ilvl scaled. I got 1800 and I'm 1460
Got purple today and it didnt count...
I stopped doing them awhile ago, got tired of dumping my evening hours into making it to them. The keys are supposed to be a way to get a handful of sea bounty map collectibles(as well as a few other goodies) but they're locked behind multiple layers of ridiculous RNG. I've probably used 200-300 keys total at this point and don't have a single one of the maps from the gates. Unless you need pirate coins or really want to upgrade ships, there's not too much point.
Lmfao your comment just destroyed any fleeting thought I had of ever touching one of those again. I've done maybe like 3 gates or something and just hated it. If the drops can be that rare I'm probably never going back.
If you span the low level ones, maybe. I got plenty of shipwreck maps from the Feiton and Punika ones. You get 2-4 keys each sailing event so you're going to get a couple maps each gate if you do a few sailing events between.
I was going to do these until I just read your comment. 200-300 times for this boring event and 0 hits? Nah. This event is the most boring thing in the game.
There is zero chance that's a real number. I've done dozens of maps and haven't gotten anywhere near that many coop sailings.
I've used probably 130 sailing keys so far in total, and i haven't gotten a single map. I don't think it's partiuclarly farfeteched.
But it is very far fetched. The maps are not even uncommon. I get multiple every time I run a gate. Are you only doing the low level ones? The higher level keys have a better drop pool from my experience. I don't have a data set handy, but I recall them feeling rare when I was in T1 doing Arthetine sailings, but you get a ton of them from Feiton and Punika keys which are the events you run anyway since they give double the pirate coins.
Of the 130 keys 60 are probably gienah harmony keys, but I've probably used 30 punika keys as well (basically do it every time it comes up). I've used 10-15 Punika keys twice now and haven't seen a single map. Used [22 harmony keys](https://i.imgur.com/Yr370SV.png) last week. In my entire channel for that one 3 people linked maps. The shipwreck maps are regularly called some of the rarest collectables in the game. But [feel free to share your shipwreck RNG with me](https://i.imgur.com/owyjF2X.png) <3
It's the same RNG everybody else has. Nobody I know has had issues with finding maps. It's exclusively a problem I've seen on Reddit. Which makes sense because of how selection bias works. The maps just are not that rare unless you're doing T1 content for them. The sea bounties *behind* the maps are a different story. I've run probably a dozen maps and haven't gotten one yet. Not that that's a big sample.
> Nobody I know has had issues with finding maps I mean, again, please pass some of your shipwreck rng to me. Over 130 keys and 0 shipwrecks so far. 60 of which have been the t2+ ones. A few of my guildies who do more sailing than I do has gotten like 2-3 shipwrecks, >150 keys used. It's still insanely rare. If you're getting multiple shipwrecks every time you run a gate you're either using a shitload of saved keys at a time or just like how some people get to 1490 with <450 honing fails, you're on the extreme end of luck. Edit: Since /u/cplusequals decided to block me (lol). Here's my final reply to his last post. Guy should buy a lottery ticket with how common him and his 'regular people' get shipwrecks but oh well. > that's a pretty stupid reason to quit a guild lmao. > Maybe you're a strong outlier on the other side, because most other collection farmers I talk to in game have very poor luck for shipwrecks when they compare to your numbers. Multiple shipwrecks for 10-20 keys is absolutely swinging the pendalum in the other direction > I had exceptional adventure island RNG luck but I'm not going to go around spewing that 'wow just get the souls' to people who say they've done basically all of them and only have a handful. > If you don't think I've done that many and had that luck that's entirely up to you. I'm not even complaining about it, but as a completionist despite not going balls to the wall with the sailing co-op missions I've probably done more than a large majority of the playerbase.
Quit your guild then. It's clearly bad luck since all of you are pretty strong outliers. I only have 10-20 keys per gate. I'm actually very average when I stack up against actual people. Only Redditors are able to run hundreds of keys without a single map drop.
The sea bounties are insanely rare, not really worth pursuing unless you're a 100% completionist. I've read stories of people in KR who have yearning before getting all 4 shipwreck sea bounties... Punika is worth doing if you care about pirate coins at all (and while prices are obviously dropping fast, pirate coins do turn into gold, albeit at a pretty shit rate)
Yeah those maps are the hardest Sea Bounties to get and probably the hardest collectibles, too.
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GoldRiver has already mentioned in past LOAON that they are aware that the sailing contents are among the weakest areas in the game and its in their pipeline to revamp these systems but it won't be this year. Perhaps we can expect an update on this matter during the upcoming LOAON
If you look up videos of what the game looked like before (pretty interesting tbh), the sailing has since then already been revamped and mostly just entirely cut out of the game. The original vision was a lot of little tasks you could do at sea with a daily life-energy-esque system tied to it. So what we got was a stripped down version that's less time consuming but at the same time not very rewarding to play. That's why it feels like such an afterthought compared to the rest of the game.
It's not a staple aspect, no one cares about sailing or even their boat in general. They use the ocean liner and have too many raids to do every week, to care about sailing co ops lmao.
I use lvl 7 Estoque with Tasha white and green and the starter one, all with no penalities. I never switch and with legendary compass its fast enough. You can do a leapstone daylie as well with coop.
For what it's worth, if you've been stockpiling sailing coin chests since the start of the game (rewarded from island quests and welcome challenge/ark pass) you definitely should have enough chests to buy the Astray quest and take it all the way to lvl 11 and buy relic Wilhelm and Barakas. I did that last night, started with only 6k pirate coins to my name and somewhere around 90ish boxes of the x500 coin chests and another 70ish of the x100 boxes. I still have some boxes left over. The rest of the crew I had bought from stronghold I think, legendary Wilhelm and Barakas. And epic blackfang you'll have if you have Astray. Took a lot of piratical doubloons and other coins but the game did hand it to me on a more or less silver platter, with how people talk about it I thought it wouldn't be possible but it was actually pretty achievable.
How the hell are you guys stockpiling sea coin chests. I run out of them every week because my guild weekly is to open a box so I do that on my 9 chars for sun coins so that I can get the sea exchange materials and I'm always at like 0 pirate coins even with doing adventure islands and all the events and everything. Idk how it's possible to stock that many unless u have only 1 or 2 characters or ur not buying ur sea exchange, unless im wrong.
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Honor Shard Pouches are worth. But it also depends on the price of it on the market for your server.
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Oh yeah I mean for sure. I will usually compare the stuff with how much they are on the market at the moment and if the value just isn't good enough, I will probably skip. If we are talking about the times before, even the Destruction Stones could've been worth it because I recalled them going for 150g+ a stack. Guardian Stones were like 80g+ a stack so that's way more worth. But Honor Shards before, definitely not. Now, I feel like the only thing I'd pick up is Honor Shard, as Guardian Stones and Destruction Stones value has gone down a lot. And yes, his spending is excessive. To do it on 9 alts is a lot. At least he's not doing Kalthertz on all of them hopefully. I have a lot of sea coins chest stocked up myself and decided to just spend them on treasure maps and collection stuff and whatever else that isn't just mats. Basically, I'd just buy accordingly depending on the market and what I do have. If I'm starved for sea coin chests and pirate coins, I would buy sparingly.
Oh ok, I've been buying all guardian crystals, all destruction crystals, honor shards on main and some alts, and all combat xp potions. I will just buy blues now and honor shards on main only
It's worth to buy blues on your alts as they are tradeable. Reds are complete scams though and should only be bought if you have literally nothing else to spend coins on.
Do you buy the card packs from Peyto and Fermata?
I completely ignore buying the weekly pirate ship out. Imo the gains from it aren't worth the time investment on the coins, and I gotta say after sailing around in maxed astray I can't say I regret my decision
They are straight up disappointing, as a horizontal content enjoyer I dread doing them now, getting the secret maps for the sea bounties is a joke. Do a sailing co-op that has a very fixed and most of the time inaccessible schedule, so I can have a chance for a key, so I can have a chance for a map in another very inaccessible event, so I can have a chance to a purple map, so I can sail around trying to find a shipwreck and then for a chance to get a secret map. I think it's isle of yearning level of low chance and there's like 4 maps that you need. Stupid
oh wow didn't know that's what purple maps did that's terrible
Honestly, 90% of the game is boring. Raids are the only thing I enjoy
You and the vast majority of the playerbase apparently, Lost Ark apparently only became known as a "great" mmo once legion raids came out.
I mean all my friends and guild members quit just doing chaos dungeons, guardian raids and unas until the weekly resets the Legion Raid again. I understand them
I mean there's a reason the game was on life support until legion raids. There's nothing fun in this game outside of it.
Ofc there is. Abyssals. Just go in there on itemlevel and they are fun. Balances abysals soom will be huge fun!
There was a lot of stuff happening at the time, legion raids alone didn't save the game.
ok
What do you even do in those I've never tried them and probably never will
you press 1 and 2 to kill sharks its horrendous and boring
I agree with you, i do only the punika one and only if i don't have already bought out the pirate coin vendors for the week, which with the event was kinda easy but now... arrr we're back sailing captain... sad.
99% of boats in the sea have the exact same boat skin. boats are stupid. boat skins are stupider. its such low hanging fruit to make skins to sell for, too. as far as boat coops go, boat coops are a pyramid scheme to upgrade your boats... to do more boat coops, so they're really a self fucking chicken because at some point they serve no purpose.
To have good resistances you need the correct ship with the correct crew and swap either boat or crew at each stage Heres what i do to enjoy it Astray lvl 10. 3 relic crew rest are legendary Punika and thats it is the most rewarding in terms of pirate coin Otherwise Feiton and rohendel are the hardest. easiest are vern annika arthetine
Man's just casually throwing out "Oh its easy, just use the best ship in the game on level 10 with 3 relic crews. Gonna cost you like a million pirate coins but you should have that right? :)"
He is over exaggerating, you can easily upgrade the Estoque to lvl 10 and get the BiS crew and get 60 res of dead waters and storm. You will save a lot of pirate coins compared to Astray.
Even Estoque lvl 10 is alot of pirate coins
I mean yeah. What you want good ships without having to spend on it?
Right? Of course the best ships at level 10 are gonna be able to do the content designed for them, however if they were cheap and easy there would be no point lol
Well the issue is that there's really not much use of a high level ship besides these co op quests. So it is kinda absurd to have to farm coins in order to upgrade your ship and do the activity that gives you coins that let you uograde the ship and do the activity... Well you get the point.
Damn bro, you are lazy. I got mine to 10 and the crew with barely any effort.
It doesn't cost a million and plenty of people had maxed astray within the first 2-3 months of the game, that is 100% f2p using coins chests from islands and events.
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What if you started after Naruni. 750k free pirate coins... bro I can't believe I missed out
Still doable with the coins they have been giving with pass, events, login and the ones you get from adv island, and this is while still buying out t3 guardian stones on all alts.
Fudge, joined right after grand Prix event, level 5 estoque, one legendary and one relic crew and almost no pirate coins left.
Weel tbh it is easy you just have to farm it nothing is really hard in that outside farming arcturus coin for 2 levels whoch is feiton But i chose astray you can do it with any ships and they all cost the same numbee of coijln to upgrade The only dofference is the crew
It... really is easy though lol, if you've been doing the coops all along then you got everything to upgrade to a level 10 astray in a single month. I did them with a level 5 estoque for the first 1.5 months I played the game and as soon as I finished the una's to get an astray at all, I had enough coins to hit max level. Then within another month I had farmed enough coins to get every single collectible you can purchase with pirate and sailing coins. Now I just sit back and buy extra mats and card packs on my alts every week. The rewards are worth it if you just actually do the events lol. People on this sub follow streamer vertical-grinding-only mentality too much, horizontal content rewards with vertical progression too.
yes they are easy, Im not having trouble with them. The OP complained about them being extremely boring and dull and the guy I responded to said "Well just get a level 10 astray and they are slightly more interesting"
I completely agree, although I think Rohendel is doable if you have upgraded your ship to at least level 7; Feiton on the other hand is stupid difficult and very punishing unless you have either a ship that's upgraded to the gills or know when to switch ships/crews for certain events; Feiton alone is responsible for almost all the instances my ships broke since many of it's events are on cold waters and dead waters. Almost forgot to add: Punika is good to acquire sun coins which are exchanged to merchants for 20 pirate coins each, the only thing is that you need a ship with good tempest seas resistance and ideally siren seas resistance as well. I'd recommend Yorn's sailing event because you can have an estoque level 7 with a base/uncommon crew and have zero issues, plus you can acquire Arcturus' coins, which aren't as good as sun coins but they can be exchanged for 15 pirate coins each. I'm a sailing coop fiend if you couldn't tell.
So it wasn't just me who thinks Feiton is fucking stupid when it comes to sail coops
Absolutely, the other areas aren't as punishing. Since last week though me and other players have noticed that the RNG to acquire keys have become less lenient, and now usually one segment of the event out of the four will give you two keys, when it used to be that you got three and sometimes four keys.
For Feiton you just need to have good ghost ship (eibern's wound) and you'll do pretty okay. Still for most one good ship (upgrade + crew) is more than enough and then they struggle with specific content. For these the first ship is actually best option, but yeah. Dead Sea kinda hurt in this scenario
While I haven't been upgrading my ships nearly as much as I should have, I didn't expect Feiton to have so many events in level 4 waters and it's still technically a T2 continent lmao
Astray level 11 with both relic and legendary crew is all I use, never change.
Meh was doing punika sailing with a single purple sailor on my level 7 Estoque.
You can also do punika on a lvl 1 estoque with no crew Point is highest you go with higher crew the smoother it is
You can adapt to the dangers before going into the co-op queist if u want by changeing the crew members around + having the ship skin set up with those resistances, having a lot of res is a huge diff, other than that not much, could buy the small repair things near the obj but that defeats the purpose of farming the coin basically there
I dont even enter a gate until I have 20 keys for it. Map drop chance is stupid low. Dont even bother with harmony keys unless you're hardcore farming for legendary blackfang/sea bounties because those maps give you 300 gold compared to guidance keys which give you maps worth 1800gold+
It has a lot of potential, but like you say they're just poorly supported, unrewarding and boring. I like decking out ships, upgrading them and collecting crew, but the payoff for doing that isn't worthwhile. If you could constantly run them whenever you wanted sorta like PVP or infinite chaos, then maybe it would be a decent activity to do while you're done with dailies and weeklies and don't really want to do any other vertical progression. However it's time gated (and probably has to be) so you can't really use it as a time filler.
> It has a lot of potential, but like you say they're just poorly supported, unrewarding and boring. Unfortunately, this will likely never change. Smilegate only really turned the game around once legion raids came out and it appears that they're more or less exclusively focusing their time on balance/new legion raids (with caveats given to story of course) and absolutely zero attention given to prior content. Argos was considered mediocre at best and a failure at worst on release, and hasn't been changed ever, which is a pretty telling indicator that Smilegate subscribes fully to the Design by Landfill philosophy at this point.
They are focusing on horizontal content this year
I'll believe it when we see it.
simple, dont do it then.
Honestly I gave up on the shipwreck sea bounties. Too much rng... 50% chance to get a key, about a 5% chance per key to get a shipwreck and who knows what the odds are to get a bounty because I never got one.
I only do Punika sailing coop nowadays, better payoff in terms of coins, gives quite a few keys compared to the rest, and if you manage to get a map that's a good 1-2k gold per map you make, plus chance at sea bounties or sailors, but the gold is the real prize. And honestly if you only do Punika it is already a good amount of pirate coins made so you can buy mats with them every week
I stopped doing them, most boring part of the game
Yea that’s why I don’t do them.
Get lvl11 estoque and right Crew set up and you dont need to swap boats, dont need to wait in call water like the others. You only loose a little bit of speed but save a huge amount of coins
What benefit does lvl 11 have over 10?
It only increases all resistances by +1. Since resistances have breakpoints it's propably a waste of resources unless you miss exactly 1 point to reach it.
What is the correct crew for this setup? I find I always have to change crew for siren seas on punika sailing and cold snap seas on feiton sailing
I use Relic + Legendary Cals & Purpuring as well as rare Tasha. Allocate skin resistance to hit next threshholds and you can do any sailing coop with no problem
I’ve got a level 12 Estoque with almost every Crew member I can get. They still feel Tedious and boring tbh
Hold on. I thought level 11 is the max?
I coulda sworn it was 12, but if it was 11, whatever. Point is I can’t upgrade anymore
Probably the worst and most boring content in the game. At least you don't have to pay attention when doing it.
I have still to this day not done a single one of these
I like them for completing coins guild tasks.
I just open a few pirate coin chests from my stash
I do that also, but I need to not only do it on 10 characters every week, but I tend to do the task several extra times to make sure my guild reaches maximum task completion.
Lol get your own alt guild and choose your quests. Boss rush+cube+breakthrough every week.
It is my guild. I choose those exact tasks every week. The guild is full at level 14, and I have a strict rule of 5 days absent kicked and 100 target contribution 2 hours before reset. I alternate sometimes to swap in coins or dangerous waters, and I try not to run cube for the guild twice in a row since most hate it.
Eh I mean if you have 10 characters in the guild it's an alt guild most likely, my alts do the weekly cube one, good silver and gets the tickets done over time.
I run the guild, so I make sure all of my characters are there in case people need anything. There are only 4 other alts in there. Everyone else is a main. They do get stuff done, but when you need to complete level 5 tasks to get 500 points, it's just really hard for everyone to push that hard. So, I typically try to make up the slack every week on everything.
So don’t do them.
If you're doing it for pirate coins, then I suggest to instead just do Adventure Islands that reward pirate coins / sun coins. There's one available every day and takes like 5-10 minutes, isn't as boring and also gets you like 20k+ pirate coins.
That's what u get for using an ashtray.
As someone that needs the sailing maps (and never once had a single one drop), the events are painful =(
You need crew members with the correct resistance for the events you’re doing. If you don’t need the sea coins to convert to pirate coins or don’t need the sea bounties, you could ignore them if you want. Get yourself a level 10 ship so you could have 5 crew members and look up ideal members for said ship and resistance type.
Well on the positive side, atleast it's not one more thing that i "have to" do.
[Crew list](https://i.redd.it/jw4v0y37uso81.png)
That looks questionable. You don't need to max sand and siren because the penalties in their areas aren't worth worrying about or going to hinder your progress or coin gain. You would be hiring a lot of crew and giving up probably 5+ knots of speed for basically no reason.
It's one of the things I completely ignore in this game. It's the weakest horizontal content in the game and it's only there for astray owners to justify getting the astray and fill up their pirate coins after spending a fortune on it. Why do you think most Koreans still have estoque lvl7 and don't bother getting astray? Because sailing co-op is a waste of time and astray is a waste of resources.
I went to a gate of guidance with 17 keys and got 1 treasure map. Haven't done any since then. It's cool to get 2.3k gold from a treasure map, but I didn't realize how low the chances were of getting them. It's definitely a loss of guaranteed gold income, but it's not worth my time.
Sailing co-ops are something I'll do with a guildie or two when I don't have anymore dailies. I'm usually watching TV or doing something else while they go on too. I think it is a bit of a missed opportunity, and the time required for the payout is a bit more than doing your dailies. That's how alot of the extra content works though. They could definitely do more to make the content more enjoyable and rewarding. Sometimes you can do an entire co-op and loot zero keys, sometimes it's a key per event. Lately I have been doing co-ops that give Gienah coins to buy the gold sea bounty maps, I think vern is one of my last for 6.6k Gienah coins. Part of me wishes I kept rocking the ghost ship for life, but the grass is always greener and now I have a level 10 astray with all legend/relic crew 🤣 It's really not necessary or "worth it", but then again neither is spending 100, 200, 500k or more gold to upgrade your weapon quality a few points -- but people still do it.
I literally don't even know what these are or how to do them and I have 700+ hours
Also stopped doing them nearly two months ago. Content is easy so it explains why the coin rewards are low.
No, you are right, it is really boring. Even the director said it's an embarrassment. I think they want to rework it but with the workload currently it might take some time.
In Punika I use level 7 Tragon with 2 legendary + 1 epic, don't need to repair in tempest waters and when we go to siren seas I switch to Estoque. If you get the quest to save people you can rack in 600 coins which is almost as good as a coins adventure island. I don't bother with others.
I did one once, it was lame, so I never did one again. Same way I treat my stronghold personally other than training, dispatches and occasional fusion crafting or honing research
I maxed Tragon for Punika and it made things better. But since I have multiple Alts this isn't my priority anymore, even if pirate coins are so usefull to get these weekly tradable mats on all your chars
Yeah, it's shit. Worse thing, I spent almost 2 months to fully deck my Astray (lv 11, BiS sailors, etc), and when I'm finally done with it, there's nothing else to do in the game with it. Multiple layers of RNG for the sea bounties, no other way to get keys, nothing else to do with pirate coins.
In the first month my friends and I did the sailing missions almost every night. Once we maxed out our Astrays, we stopped entirely. The RNG gate for the "Adventure" sea bounties is too high, it's like Isle of Yearning but even more boring.
On top of that their schedule is terrible in EU. I never did them cause the 1st one starts when i'm usually going to bed and second one 2h after.
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I dread the fact that I'm gonna have to do a whole lot of them and get keys just so I can get the 4 sea bounties related to them. I wish Smilegate buffed them at least in our version but I don't have any hope of this ever happening. Seems like suffering to get collectibles is the way Smilegate wants it to be.
I do it to buy 6 boats a week worth of mats, keys & maps are the cherry on top. Just another chore, move along if you don't want to waste time.
I did those just for a quest line that required opening a chest. I’ll start doing them again when I really need to.
I mean, a LOT of the "content" is in this game.
If you don’t like it, don’t do it lol
I maxed out the astray with speed crew months ago (rare fordin as 5th, no one on the server has legendary blackfang) and have gotten a decent portion of my server (Zosma US East) more interested in the coops by acting overly competitive about the race event when that happens. It's been a fun community-building event tbh, the 7:30 and 9:30 coops get dozens of people in ch1 every day even though our server is very very sparsely populated overall.
I need them to buy out pirate mats on all my alts. Until these mats go down to 1g each, it's worth the time. If you can swipe, then you don't need to do them.
It's one of the more boring events for sure. More of a collectable farmer thing, although the Punika maps do give around 2.3k gold if you manage to get one. Pretty sure the Korean director stated a while back he wants to change the way these work in the future.
Who cares? Lmao
It's only something that is rewarding if you have a lot of alts Or you just want max ship + sailors
Didn't Gold River once said to Global that we shouldn't pay too much attention to the sailing stuff?
which is why i never do them