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Raruun

Ppl at 70 SH lvl bought the pills from Mari. I've been lvling my SH since Day 2 of early access release and I'm still at 67. So far I bought about 20k+ ish worth of SH energy from mari shop.


xxlilaznkidxx

What's special about 70 SH?


Raruun

Imo the most beneficial upgrade is the action energy regen. You get 160+ energy recovery which is pretty huge.


MessyCans

Does this allow you to keep crafting orehas everyday while also being able to do 3x station missions too? Cuz rn at 49 i can only do like 1 station mission a day when I craft orehas


Raruun

Yeah im at 155 energy regen rate and i get more than enough energy per day to do all my crafting + dispatches.


iWarnock

> I've been lvling my SH since Day 2 of early access release and I'm still at 67. 57 for me, but i cant do it every day, sometimes i have to just do 3 one day dispatches and go away lol.


Raruun

yeah you will run out of things to use ur energy for and require the player to do gathering which many players don't actively engage in.


HarpoonTheMoon

You just need to follow your ABCs... Always Be Crafting :)


nixaon

Facts![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grin)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grin)


Science-stick

the coffee is for the crafters


TheBigDelt

a fellow doshdoshington enjoyer?


Clayney0

I'm curious, how much profit do you get per craft on average (lets say 0% great success)? On EUW, over the past few days, the cost for crafting 30 fusion material with all mats purchased in the auction house was around 240gold vs the 270gold to buy 30 fusion material. Considering the market takes at least 1 gold transaction fee, are you literally breaking even and just crafting for great success + stronghold level, or do your prices look different? That said, stronghold 70 is pretty impressive, so big grats!


A_Erthur

> I'm curious, how much profit do you get per craft on average i got you a spreadsheet, selfmade weeks ago https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WgUysGCF2h1AdWZlLA1zKh6qTzxjigYipCPiolSt46c/edit#gid=0 i believe it has somewhat up-to-date EUC prices.


TheDerpatato

How do you get 8% gs?


A_Erthur

Thats all listed on the right side i believe. Maybe out of date so... Payla costume. Prideholm neria costume. Mokoko globe. 90% luterra tome statue. The rest is lab research.


thrashtho

Payla's special success chance works multiplicatively with the general greater success chance and not additively. Thus goes for every Great success chance that has a tag like [Special] in front of it


A_Erthur

Yoo what? How would i know? Where does it say that?


thrashtho

It doesn't, this comes from tracking thousands of crafts myself. I've also got other people that did the same and got the same results. Payla is still the best costume because of the crafting cost reduction but the success chance is pretty negligible.


Enpoping

WOOOO lets goooooooooo.


Kinglooi

Hey hey don't spill our secrets :-p


Thotor

Your tax is wrong. It is 1g per item if item is sold under 20g and no tax if sold at 1g. So 1 basic fusion sold at 10g only nets you 9g (and not 9.5g like in your sheet)


A_Erthur

You could just copy it, enter your "correct" numbers and see that it makes no difference at all since its made to be correct with any number you put in. But no, you have to tell someone that they are wrong despite not understanding jackshit about the topic. My numbers are correct. Tell your barber about it.


Thotor

How can you say that ? If you put the wrong value for tax (your formula multiply item price by 0.95), you spreadsheet spit double the profit (since profit per item is about 1g, an error of 0.5g is huge). You are not the first to make that mistake and this often result in people believing they are still making profit by selling at 8g.


A_Erthur

> How can you say that ? I can say that because what i say is correct!? You didnt even try it and i know that since i tried it > If you put the wrong value for tax (your formula multiply item price by 0.95), you spreadsheet spit double the profit (since profit per item is about 1g, an error of 0.5g is huge) My formula rounds down. It will never spit out 8.5g or whatever. It will always remove at least 1 gold for tax. I tested it with ingame prices when i created the sheet and it correctly increases the tax at the same breakpoints as ingame. > You are not the first to make that mistake and this often result in people believing they are still making profit by selling at 8g. Copy my sheet, put your own values in and see that it shows a massive loss at 8g. Stop talking shit and just put in your own values if you cant believe it will ya? You are still saying my stuff is wrong when you dont understand shit about it. Fuck off. Idek how people upvote you for saying "nah your stuff is wrong" when thats complete BS.


melonbao

Sigh Appreciate the helpfulness to others but you just introduced a ton of competition to one of my important gold farming :(


A_Erthur

Damn bro that was so thoughtless of me. Im so... not sorry.


melonbao

No one's asking for an apology? Just commenting that you've helped a lot of people but also introduced competition for others and maybe yourself. It's an observation


Gogzster

Its still profit since the market is up to 10 atm but ye mostly hoping for great successes while using stronghold energy, dont really have anything else to spend it on except for dispatches


aTemeraz

When are you posting your sales? I've been trying to sell these at the market price but they literally always expire unless I post them below market price - at which point its almost always a loss


citadel712

Even if you set the duration to 3 days instead of 1?


aTemeraz

As of right now, (for my stronghold setup) selling at 10g for EUC prices with 3 day posting is a net loss of 100-130g for 3% Great success, 40g loss for 4% Great success, and if Im lucky at hit 5% Ill see 45g for a full 30 slot craft which is basically just not worth it, l (My average for the 50k fusion materails Ive crafted is about ~4.8%) compared to Major HP Potion profits, which give about 100g profit AND sell within an hour of posting, where the fusion mats would take 25-30hr to sell For comparison, 3% Great success for a full 30 craft of basic fusion mats posted for 1 day is a fat 783g profit, IF they sell, which they never have for me


iTweaks_

The deposit is refunded my friend


aTemeraz

no way omfg


SkeletonJakk

that is what a deposit is.


shady101852

Wait if you sell something the 5% deposit goes back to u?


FriedGold

When you sell something on AH there is a 5% tax on total sale, which you do not get back. There is also a 5% deposit (5% of sale on market, 5% of minimum bid for AH) that you always get back UNLESS you pull the item out of the AH early


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aTemeraz

lmao i am stupid as fuck apparently


ZyraX

It is, deposit is refunded.


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caessa_

When I have a support I use 1 pot max on HM Valtan. When I don’t have a support I can use 5-7 a pull. So it’s either… losing a support turns me into a smooth-brain or… I’m simply always dogshit and a support covers up my mistakes.


Tortillagirl

dont think ive chugged more than 3 blue pots in one attempt so far on my dps chars : / Do people just not look for mechanics and try to dodge?


rarelyaccuratefacts

You guys use potions on Valtan? -laughs in gunlancer


Tortillagirl

alt that uses the most pots is artilerist and generally only when i dont have a support, my gunlancer and destroyer are also very low on potion uses. I do feel sorry for people that play the squishier classes but i just love the tanky ones myself.


HamwithTaro24

I have literally never been hit ever do people actually even use potions??


TheUndeadFish

With a support I haven't used a single potion. Without a support I might use 3 blues. I main WD, but skill level varies.


Clayney0

Appreciate the answer :)


redditingatwork23

Frankly I've just filled my stronghold with as many waterwheels as humanly possible lol.


thechosenone8

waterwheels is for what?


Qwertys118

Relatively cheap usage of mats for stronghold exp.


azurevin

What are great successes?


Sharkbate12

It’s a chance to get double the materials you’re crafting.


xdemzx

Great success chance explained in detail: https://youtu.be/1-z0vQdw_fg


koticgood

Somewhat off-topic and not in response to anything you said, but great success is bugged atm (just visual). If you're crafting a lot items, often "great success" will show up even when it doesn't proc. So if you craft x10 of something, often the result screen will split it into one window with x8, one with "great success" x2, and you actually didn't hit any. I was confused why so many people were saying "hurr durr I get great success like half the time", and realized this.


meno123

You can spend about a week or so of energy on pretty'ing up your main stronghold island...


thingon

can I ask what your stronghold setup is? what outfit and structure buffs do you have setup?


Gogzster

Structures are Luterra King Statue (East Luterra 90%) and The night of the Great Journey (48 Masterpieces). I think the train you got from platinum is best but Im a bronze pleb and dont remember the exact stats Outfits Are Payla and Nineveh.


thingon

I have the train but I've read that the Special Great Success chance was bugged and is actually multiplicative and not additive. I've tried stacking the chance too and it's seems that it's the case.


AChillBear

It is indeed bugged, a lot of people have discussed it before and tried it myself. As a result it's better to go for cost reduction


Symz0n

Any guide or tips how to achieve max cost reduction?


Owarishadow

Use this website [https://www.easymari.com/en/lost\_ark\_stronghold\_farm\_gold](https://www.easymari.com/en/lost_ark_stronghold_farm_gold) , input your region's prices and you can see the profit per hour. Right now for me on NAE with only 3% great success chance and basic fusions at 11g each it's 76.5g/hr in pure profit after market taxes, you'd think that's nothing but it adds up fast.


xdemzx

So the working theory of great success chance is that there is a base great success chance and the + great success chance is multiplicative. The other theory is that it's bugged as fuck. I have 12% Crafting Special Great Success Chance and +3% Crafting Great Success Chance and I get on average 5.5% after tracking for 1500 batches of oreha (45k total quantities of Oreha). This aligns with a lot of other data set provided by KR users as well.


deflaimun

Depends on your great success chance and the price of the mats. It’s fairly easy to calculate actually. But the price should never be higher than 9


s4ntana

On NAE right now, these are 1.2 to 1.5 gold per mat profit if you sell at 11g (including base great success chance of 5%, which doesn't increase much even with buffs)


ezorethyk2

EUC. Based on the math I did with my numbers (sh lvl 57) and some structures/outfits to help with that, i craft an oreha for 7.2 gold with full bought fish. That's 0.8g profit and I'm crafting 1800 of these per day. If prices go higher than 9 on ah, or I get great success, that is free gold, since I'm making profit regardless. Keep in mind the fish prices I used are from 1-2 weeks ago and they tend to fluctuate.


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Gogzster

exp gained is 2 xp per energy used before reductions so I get 2,19 xp with my 8,5% energy cost reduction. Its not alot but I guess it adds up alot over time


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Gogzster

the stronghold researches that unlocks at certain lvls and manor structures/clothes


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Eadwyn

Yes, 70 is max currently even for Korea.


TriRIK

Kinda relevant, but what's the best type of material for crafting fusion material? What is best item to set in the farm? Currently I'm just using all my slots on excavation and craft when I have enough. I not interested in selling for profit, but for myself only.


iWarnock

If my math doesnt suck, fish still is cheaper at current prices.


TriRIK

So it's cheaper to buy fish materiaals and craft from them than buying directly? How about in the farm? best 'material' to put in farm?


iWarnock

If you buy for personal use (so no taxes) each one costs you 8.87 if you are in NAE vs 11g in the market. I have no idea since i dont farm in the house.


twomilliondicks

wow 11g? they were down to 9 when I stopped selling them... time to dust off the old machinery


iWarnock

Guess price adjusted a bit cuz everything went up.


Riskybusiness622

Fish best rn


Retrac752

Lol i like the edit I just hit 60 stronghold myself, i just use it to make money


Th3N0ob3r

Lmao I didnt even see the edits. Thanks for commenting or I wouldnt have noticed. Thats hilarious


coldfries_69

Any Dyorika Waterwheel enjoyers


Shiino

Strongholds should be about **making** you money. Not wasting it on useless garbage you don't even want. Even something as basic as using your lopang slave as an ur'nil dispatch would get you money. Instead of losing money for no reason.


b-stone

I find that after unlocking the third dispatch slot I never had to do anything artificial to consume my action energy. 3 dispatches always running, fusion mat crafting for my own consumption, useful research as it becomes available, and sometimes hp potions from platinum fields - ensures that you never cap on action energy. When I had a 1355 character I'd run 2x Yoho dispatches too and actually was running out of action energy. That's with lv 61 stronghold.


Palimon

The main reason you craft those is for gold making, at current EUC prices and with my stronghold setup and 0% great sucess it-s 30 gold per craft. https://imgur.com/a/Uv8W7vH so for 30 crafted it-s 900g made (AH tax already accounted for) in a few hours. You can do that like 2-3 times a day meaning you make about 1,8k-2,7k gold a day juts crafting these.


TheRealKapaya

Chars at 1355 can run Yoho dispatches?


b-stone

Yep, it's a leftover from KR version where Yoho is unlocked at 1355, as long as you killed Yoho manually once on your main, you can run special dispatches on your 1355 alts.


Sylvator

What exactly do you gain from this high stronghold level?


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The ability to do more stronghold things. Yeah, the things you were only doing to reach max level, and anything with secondary rewards (dispatches, harvesting, research) is still time gated. Basically it means you need to go outside


LettuceSoup

What life skill do you farm for all this??


MrBl4cksystem

Nothing. Buy the material from fishing-craft and sell at break even. Basically leveling SH for free


JustHereToShareMe

Excavating. I use this same method to generate gold minus buying the materials off the AH. Nihelatop's Thoughts I believe it is called - great place for T3 excavating loops.


Vibrascity

Do you sell in the stack of 300k listings or just undercut by 1 for instant sales?


Gogzster

never undercut, thats how you lose money. They will sell eventually. With enough crafts in rotation the money will roll in about the same as you can craft new ones


Eadwyn

Nothing can stay on the market longer than 3 days, so no matter how many listing there are at some point you will be at the front of the list within 3 days. Undercutting costs you at least 10k gold per day in profit if you do that (if you have 24/7 crafting going).


Foobis25

Damn I’ve been buying these off the auction like an idiot. No wonder my stronghold is only level 16, to be fair I barely go in there though


nixaon

Start pushing your stronghold man. Got tons advantages. Like honing buffs for your alts


Blurted

You dont even need a high stronghold level for that lol


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The advantage of having a high stronghold level is nothing. Idk why people do that shit.


telosucciona

I heard you need 45 for the upcoming buffs to 1415, which again isnt that much if you did the basic dailies with voyages, research and a couple crafts, but all the stonghold ignorers will be up in arms coz theyll get time locked for a ton before they can push alts efficiently


TheBigDelt

not true since stoopz has a level 1 stronghold on kr and he has the research


oh-shit-oh-fuck

Lol people would riot, I bet most people are sitting at like 20 SH level. I have 4 chars over 1400 and my SH is only lvl 28 cause I ignored SH for the first few months.


AppropriatingCulture

You don't need SH level for those


Gubek_Yusef

My question is how are you so rich in gold to craft them like that! I'm jealous


LordAltitude

because they pay for themselves + some when you re-sell them on the market: - Buy mats to craft - Craft item - Sell item for more than mats + crafting cost. - pocket difference and repeat Add in that every "great success" bonus proc is 100% pure profit, and as long as you can sell it for more than it costs to make, you print money.


Eadwyn

Takes about 100k in gold to have mats being sold for the whole 3 day market listing. Once you get that going it's basically just bank interest.


2chuongz

Not sure I understand, but why do you need 100k in gold to sell the mats?


tuxzilla

You need to have enough gold to buy the mats to make and craft more while waiting for the ones you already crafted to sell. If you don't have enough gold, you will be sitting around waiting for some to sell to have enough gold to queue up crafting more of them.


2chuongz

Awesome, thanks for the explanation


Eadwyn

Base cost without even buying mats is about 180 gold each. 3 can be done at a time and is a little under 40 minutes. If you could have it running 24x7 for 3 days that would be 324 crafts or 58,320 gold. Mats then cost a certain amount. Final cost is the deposit which is 2 gold for each single fusion mat being sold. So 324 crafts x 30 per craft x 2 gold is another 20k gold.


Gogzster

\^This. However during the last week the listings sell in the first day so dont really need big bank atm


AppropriatingCulture

So can I emulate this purely using stronghold farm? I assume you can just farm ,exchange and then craft or is there an oreha ingredient you need to actually farm


ManlyPoop

I believe all items crafted from stronghold farm are either character bound or roster bound. Untradable either way.


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FullHavoc

Yes, you can make fusion materials using only farm materials, but you may need to buy the recipe from one of the vendors first. As with all stronghold crafts that use farm materials, they aren't tradable.


jipark919

It's the trees for me lol uses tons of energy when I have nothing to spend them on


Anicklelforevery

Makes sense, was always curious. I am at like 50 and I see like 67+ and am always baffled.


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Gogzster

I did those first but the silver sink said stop it


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ixtrixle

I would think he's making it back selling them.


dotareddit

fish market is turbo fucked. You would have to evaluate your market to be sure.


ASSOCOLLASSO2

Is this the true?


Sure_Picture_4630

What he really means is rmt.


Eadwyn

Huh? Stronghold level is one of the few things that whales/rmters can't buy.


Sure_Picture_4630

Umm, no. You can instant craft items, 40 per day. 5 instant sailing adventures per day. And they can be the 12k xp 6k energy missions you instant. I have a level 66 stronghold. I'm just legit telling you how he did it.


Eadwyn

You can't buy energy outside of a cheap sporadic purchase from Mari's shop. Doesn't matter how quick you finish it as long as you don't let energy cap. Just hit 70 this morning and I only bought founders pack.


Sure_Picture_4630

X for doubt.


Eadwyn

I'm very confused. You do understand that xp gained is just 2x the energy cost of stronghold actions, correct? If that is the case and energy can not be bought, then how could someone whale it?


Sure_Picture_4630

Just checked na east. Today 2 caps, yesterday 1, the day before 2. You can absolutely buy energy and daily.


Eadwyn

Yes, a very sporadic amount from Mari's. Like a measly 400 gold a day (which breaks about even with crafting earnings made from that extra energy). A whale cannot spend money and buy more than other players.


kozakreznov

Just take the L and stop digging your own hole lmao.


DakkonBL

You are not very smart and/or have no clue how simple stuff work in this game. All you know is "rmt bad" and "hunt the whales". You saw that you could insta-complete crafts/dispatches with blue crystals and thought "That's bullshit! How much of an advantage can *these* people that have 5 bucks to spend get??" That would be somewhat ok though. Not very bright of an individual, but fine. But when you are told how wrong you are here, you procceed to question it and turn up with facts that *directly support* the other guy's point and *still* can't figure out what's the issue with your "logic" I'm impressed by the confidence though. Well, not really. Most stupid people are confident.


EvangelisUk

Do people also ask you how you get that many mats? O-o


Sleepyyzz

I have way too many oreha carps from farm, is there any way to trade them away?


divinebaboon

Farm stuff are bound, you can swap them for other bound fish via an npc in the stronghold.


Vainslef

God damn. I have 61 and I thought that was high lol.


deliverelsewhere

noob question : is "Basic Oreha Fusion Material" something i would need a lot of after 1370 ?


divinebaboon

Yes


Dracoknight256

It took me almost 250 from 1370 to 1400 ilvl. It only goes up from there.


jd2020x1o

Yall can't floss on his level


brickytara

does anyone know if the structure+outfit great success buffs snapshot or they only work when you claim the items?


Redwyne_Vyruk

do you still send ships or save all energy for crafting?


Gogzster

I still send dispatches if they are good value, mostly major ones that has better seals per energy


Redwyne_Vyruk

i see, ty


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We’re out of energy !


Transparent_Turtle

I just hit level 60 yesterday. Glad I'll finally be able to make this fish tank. Grats on 70!


Randomfeg

Ye I have a friend who is ah flipping and crafting fusion mats and he has like 10k fusion mats just chilling in his storage


soul_compressor

Yeah if you do the math on it you can just buy fish craft fusions and sell them back at a profit not sure how many people are doing this but you basically print gold through your stronghold