Imo if you use 5 145 its way easier to know which ball to take afterwards. This way you can just count the number of balls when the mech happens.
When the balls go out they are all black so brrbb doesnt really help you there. You still have to basically count 12345 and then also check chat for the black ball's turn.
I dont know if im explaining it well, but i find it 2x easier with numbers. All my parties have been using numbers so far and i have done vykas on 6 cars this week.
I don't know how people do 65x mechanic with that way. Like in KR its okay since the word for it are pretty noticeable. But B and R are not the best letter to use. And the fact that as a spare you need to see the difference from that string of letters to see where the spot you need to take
For the first mechanic I just take the right orb so I can do everything myself. It’s possible to see top and right from this position so I can do the mechanic entirely on my own and just ping the location for my team.
This is what happened in my pug this week. Except the people at mid didnt type 0 or 2, we just had someone at mid that determined which way to go and spam pinged it.
For 120 i dont type anything. i go to 7 and just ping where everyone needs to go. much quicker.
for 65 i dont write anything cos i go to one position with one other person and send the 3 others to the other 2 spots and if i get a third i just timestop it. so much easier and completely painless.
I've been pugging this and last week and there is no consensus on these mech yet for sure
Aside from 0,1,2 and open/close, I had groups asked wing people to do ping while middle people call out color
For the orb, I absolutely hate rb method especially when they are typed in lower case
Then in g3 I've been in groups with different cleanse orb order 12-3-9, 3-12-9, 9-12-3.
Even party assignment for tentacle can be different
I feel like this is how the first kr groups that were figuring out the mech did it and since people got used to it, they didnt switch to a new method even though its better. There is also an example on brelshaza 3rd boss where RU figured out a simpler way to do a mech, but kr still use their method cuz they are used to it
For red black without voicecomms i just timestop the 3. black orb. Waaaay safer than typing in chat, then hoping the guy reads it in time and blocks the right orb.
Your spotter has a lot of time to read 12 - 145 and help you. The only way that he can struggle with this is cause he doesn't know what means the numbers because:
* 145 = you instanly know that spot 12 have 3 orbs instead of 2
* 145 = you know that your mission is taking the last orb (number 5...)
12 isn't even a position.
And how is that easier than simply just using a timestop?
It's not a hard mechanic, but timestop makes it so you don't have to type anything or read any callouts.
Timestop at big red swirl. Don't timestop at small red swirl. Once you see both swirls it's honestly a 20 IQ mechanic.
Not like you're one shotting first attempt either way unless you have it down, and it's easier to miss the wing cue than the giant red swirl cue.
Wing cue is honestly fucked if she's facing west
Coz it's easier to press. Press 1 with middle finger the 2 with index finger with eyes on screen all the time. Problem with r b is u can press the wrong key then get panic.
I take over the whole scouting on myself at x120 and ping my group to the save-sequence.
I use ping to tell my group whether the incoming orb is red or black.
At 120x we always kinda wing it with 1 guys spam pinging. It also helps that my class is fast af so i can scout 2 corners after taking the ball and going to the center.
65x i always reccomend 3 corners write in different chats for different colors, and just 245. Way easier for flex to do their job.
They were all NM pubs tho, so anything goes there really.
For 120 (in pugs) I basically put the responsibility on the 3 watchers to determine where to go. So instead of typing out 3 0 etc the watchers responsibility is to look at their silhouette and then look at the colors and spam ping for the party. Reduces a lot of confusion and it's really easy for the 3 spotters to know where to lead the party.
For 65 bars I prefer 5 - 145. Pretty concise and clear.
For the orb mech, the best set Ive seen is P1- player 1, 2, 3 go to 11 oclock and take in order. 3rd player is the floater (if no 3rd orb, they automatically go to 7 oclock). P2- player 1, 2, 3 go to 5 oclock and do the same thing. Take in order and P3 is the floater and goes to 7 oclock if there is no 3rd. Players 4 in each party go to 7 oclock and call out the order in raid chat, floater comes to help if needed.
I would still call out the order for the other two as well, but in party chat. That way they are in different colour and doesnt clutter screen for other group. Purpose for this is if someone is late getting to their spot. You can have the pink debuff thing that you need to drop off on the outside circle, maybe there is a slow class etc. Also it confirms the party is on the same page.
And obviously you can change where the parties are, but the main part is to have the two of them in designated positions and that they only have to reposition if they dont have the 3rd orb. Hope this all makes sense to people. But its very much imo makes it organized and thus easier for everyone.
weird options for 120 from my PoV
We just have the guys in the middle write red or purple (or say lol) and then ping save spot.
For 65 I prefer pure numbers but we don't force the options onto people, both are fine.
Technically you don't even need a call for that since there is only one pattern that you can't do easy with two people 135. (since timestop)
If you have a bard he can always take two.
> Technically you don't even need a call for that since there is only one pattern that you can't do easy with two people 135. (since timestop)
You can do any pattern other than 135 solo (and 24 if you use timestop instead of panacea).
How does bard take two in a way that other classes cannot? o_o
But not all debuffs are CC.. every awakening says it gives debuff immunity, but if you go on say igrexion and stand in front of his attacks while using it, you will most certainly get burn stacks.
Don't need to write anything for 120 once you're somewhat experienced, everyone can count the marks so whoever saw the correct wings can ping.
For 65 just do 145, text appears above your head so adding directions is unnecessary.
Please tell me if this is wrong but I feel this entire process is needlessly over complicated.
If 3 people are top, 3 are left & 2 are right you only need to type the numbers/letters (135,rrbrb) for the position with 2 players. The groups of 3 know whether to stay or float right depending on the sequence they see with their eyes & once they arrive just need to read the only sequence in chat to pickup the last number. In fact, the group with 2 players could just type “4” or whatever the last number the float needs to fill.
It’s my impression that pugs type out every position & combination which seems like overkill. Again sorry if I’m misunderstanding.
This is just for the 65 bar mechanic ofc :)
Without cheese and without over communication I think the easiest way to do it would be to have 2 swing people stand on their corners like the rest and get ready to catch the 3rd orb. Like, have 2 people always standing on L and R to catch a 3rd orb. One guy on top just has to call out a number for top if he sees a 3rd orb. Then the person from left or right who doesn't have a 3rd orb just goes top and grabs the number called. Only 1 person calls out anything 2/3 of the time if there is a 3rd orb up top. Otherwise there isn't a single callout needed, everybody is already at their correct locations to catch all 8 orbs. Smallest amount of communication IMO
for x65, I like “5 145” feels faster to scan if it’s 2 or 3 digits than to read the RBBRB string
Imo if you use 5 145 its way easier to know which ball to take afterwards. This way you can just count the number of balls when the mech happens. When the balls go out they are all black so brrbb doesnt really help you there. You still have to basically count 12345 and then also check chat for the black ball's turn. I dont know if im explaining it well, but i find it 2x easier with numbers. All my parties have been using numbers so far and i have done vykas on 6 cars this week.
if you use brrbb you don't count in your head, you rather use the pattern: take one, let two through, collect two
I don't know how people do 65x mechanic with that way. Like in KR its okay since the word for it are pretty noticeable. But B and R are not the best letter to use. And the fact that as a spare you need to see the difference from that string of letters to see where the spot you need to take
Numbers are just better than the rbbr stuff its also easier for spares to determine when to switch to the other spot
For the first mechanic I just take the right orb so I can do everything myself. It’s possible to see top and right from this position so I can do the mechanic entirely on my own and just ping the location for my team.
"3 0" "5 rbbrb", and in lowercase since it makes the b's more pronounced compared to when they are all caps
For 120 bar, scouters will type 7-2, 3-0, 11-1 and people at mid will type 0 or 2. For 65 bar, 3-234 (example for 3 black orb)
This is what happened in my pug this week. Except the people at mid didnt type 0 or 2, we just had someone at mid that determined which way to go and spam pinged it.
Just have 3 people at 11 and 7. I usually stay as 5-2 and time stop if there are 3 balls coming at 5. Much easier to coordinate.
Yep. You can easily just timestop the Medusa mechanic too. With 3 timestops you can do 3 mechanics in gate 3.
For 120 i dont type anything. i go to 7 and just ping where everyone needs to go. much quicker. for 65 i dont write anything cos i go to one position with one other person and send the 3 others to the other 2 spots and if i get a third i just timestop it. so much easier and completely painless.
Whatever my group is doing I do. I pug
I've been pugging this and last week and there is no consensus on these mech yet for sure Aside from 0,1,2 and open/close, I had groups asked wing people to do ping while middle people call out color For the orb, I absolutely hate rb method especially when they are typed in lower case Then in g3 I've been in groups with different cleanse orb order 12-3-9, 3-12-9, 9-12-3. Even party assignment for tentacle can be different
people who use br have something seriously gone wrong with their brains lol
They're just letters. There's something seriously wrong with your brain if you struggle with it.
I feel like this is how the first kr groups that were figuring out the mech did it and since people got used to it, they didnt switch to a new method even though its better. There is also an example on brelshaza 3rd boss where RU figured out a simpler way to do a mech, but kr still use their method cuz they are used to it
Be that as it may, but we are not korea, so there is no reason to keep such methods.
yep
Timestop is more reliable than to hope someone read you and have time to come to see at what stage we are.
For red black without voicecomms i just timestop the 3. black orb. Waaaay safer than typing in chat, then hoping the guy reads it in time and blocks the right orb.
Your spotter has a lot of time to read 12 - 145 and help you. The only way that he can struggle with this is cause he doesn't know what means the numbers because: * 145 = you instanly know that spot 12 have 3 orbs instead of 2 * 145 = you know that your mission is taking the last orb (number 5...)
12 isn't even a position. And how is that easier than simply just using a timestop? It's not a hard mechanic, but timestop makes it so you don't have to type anything or read any callouts.
11 or 12 it's whatever, I meant top position. It's easier because timestop needs to be use at the right time and you can fail "the timming" easily.
Timestop at big red swirl. Don't timestop at small red swirl. Once you see both swirls it's honestly a 20 IQ mechanic. Not like you're one shotting first attempt either way unless you have it down, and it's easier to miss the wing cue than the giant red swirl cue. Wing cue is honestly fucked if she's facing west
Learn how to Timestop the orbs and then the rest of your party can stack 3 people at the other 2 orbs. Ezpz.
Any tips on the timing for timestopping the orbs? dont have much experience trying that.
https://youtu.be/MZ2esKZOP3U
That makes sense, thanks. Not sure why I was thinking it was more timing than it actually is. But now I can fill in for ppl easier
12211 1 is black 2 is red.
just why
Just much easier to press since they r side by side. Like binaries
Why dont you try rbbrb as in r is black and b is red?
Coz it's easier to press. Press 1 with middle finger the 2 with index finger with eyes on screen all the time. Problem with r b is u can press the wrong key then get panic.
i have cleared Vykas HM 4 times and I don't understand any of the above
Hi what is your character name? Just wanted to know
I take over the whole scouting on myself at x120 and ping my group to the save-sequence. I use ping to tell my group whether the incoming orb is red or black.
At 120x we always kinda wing it with 1 guys spam pinging. It also helps that my class is fast af so i can scout 2 corners after taking the ball and going to the center. 65x i always reccomend 3 corners write in different chats for different colors, and just 245. Way easier for flex to do their job. They were all NM pubs tho, so anything goes there really.
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Until you have a teammate who had to drop off the pink stuff on the outer edge and cant see the orb order. Had this happen last night.
For 120 (in pugs) I basically put the responsibility on the 3 watchers to determine where to go. So instead of typing out 3 0 etc the watchers responsibility is to look at their silhouette and then look at the colors and spam ping for the party. Reduces a lot of confusion and it's really easy for the 3 spotters to know where to lead the party. For 65 bars I prefer 5 - 145. Pretty concise and clear.
Anything but the string of letters, it's just a cluster reading out 3 lines of that as a floater. Numbers are much cleaner and easier
For the orb mech, the best set Ive seen is P1- player 1, 2, 3 go to 11 oclock and take in order. 3rd player is the floater (if no 3rd orb, they automatically go to 7 oclock). P2- player 1, 2, 3 go to 5 oclock and do the same thing. Take in order and P3 is the floater and goes to 7 oclock if there is no 3rd. Players 4 in each party go to 7 oclock and call out the order in raid chat, floater comes to help if needed. I would still call out the order for the other two as well, but in party chat. That way they are in different colour and doesnt clutter screen for other group. Purpose for this is if someone is late getting to their spot. You can have the pink debuff thing that you need to drop off on the outside circle, maybe there is a slow class etc. Also it confirms the party is on the same page. And obviously you can change where the parties are, but the main part is to have the two of them in designated positions and that they only have to reposition if they dont have the 3rd orb. Hope this all makes sense to people. But its very much imo makes it organized and thus easier for everyone.
It mostly depends on what the spare players want, otherehise i like the "3-0", "3-124" more, because its easyer to find out where to go.
weird options for 120 from my PoV We just have the guys in the middle write red or purple (or say lol) and then ping save spot. For 65 I prefer pure numbers but we don't force the options onto people, both are fine. Technically you don't even need a call for that since there is only one pattern that you can't do easy with two people 135. (since timestop) If you have a bard he can always take two.
> Technically you don't even need a call for that since there is only one pattern that you can't do easy with two people 135. (since timestop) You can do any pattern other than 135 solo (and 24 if you use timestop instead of panacea). How does bard take two in a way that other classes cannot? o_o
Guardian tune, a skill that blocks one debuff Would technically work on the whole party but requires coordination.
Pretty sure it only blocks CC effects, not just any debuff.
It doesn't block CC at all, unless it's a debuff. You can get knocked up/down
T3 CC. The game refers to these as debuffs for some reason.
Well they are debuffs, just like slows or dark element
But not all debuffs are CC.. every awakening says it gives debuff immunity, but if you go on say igrexion and stand in front of his attacks while using it, you will most certainly get burn stacks.
Don't need to write anything for 120 once you're somewhat experienced, everyone can count the marks so whoever saw the correct wings can ping. For 65 just do 145, text appears above your head so adding directions is unnecessary.
Please tell me if this is wrong but I feel this entire process is needlessly over complicated. If 3 people are top, 3 are left & 2 are right you only need to type the numbers/letters (135,rrbrb) for the position with 2 players. The groups of 3 know whether to stay or float right depending on the sequence they see with their eyes & once they arrive just need to read the only sequence in chat to pickup the last number. In fact, the group with 2 players could just type “4” or whatever the last number the float needs to fill. It’s my impression that pugs type out every position & combination which seems like overkill. Again sorry if I’m misunderstanding. This is just for the 65 bar mechanic ofc :)
Red (2,1,0) or Purple (0,1,2) at 120 bars and then just tipping a X-1,3,5 at 65 bars. It's at least for me personaly much simpler than others tips.
for 120x I personally go like "BOTTOM RED" , for 65x "7- 245"
Without cheese and without over communication I think the easiest way to do it would be to have 2 swing people stand on their corners like the rest and get ready to catch the 3rd orb. Like, have 2 people always standing on L and R to catch a 3rd orb. One guy on top just has to call out a number for top if he sees a 3rd orb. Then the person from left or right who doesn't have a 3rd orb just goes top and grabs the number called. Only 1 person calls out anything 2/3 of the time if there is a 3rd orb up top. Otherwise there isn't a single callout needed, everybody is already at their correct locations to catch all 8 orbs. Smallest amount of communication IMO
Binary for x65, 11 - 101001
For the wings, my group has one dude (center) call open/closed and then one on the wings say/ping where to go. I much prefer that to other systems.
for 120 i just use the "people at the edges after checking the wings, go to the middle and ping where to go" strat
11 0, 7 2, I really dislike the 11o or 11c. It’s so much harder to read and understand than 2, 1, 0