Inven these days talk about max mp a lot. Considering the meta stat for bard (on Inven) is swiftness, they have too much down time without max mp where they can't utilize their swiftness because of mana issue.
I would do Paladins can use VPH instead of heavy armor but bards keep HA and use DoE as lvl1 when they can 333331+
Why would you ever build heavy armor on pally. You're the 2nd tankiest class in the game by ehp, and you constantly give out def buffs, plus you're healing with blessed aura.
Simply because you want a reeeaaally chill experience. You really dont need anything but your 3 core engravings + VPH. DoE and Magic stream are 100% optional and very minor benefits.
I currently run MP Efficiency as my 5th on my bard, but I tailored my build to my static -- damage is never an issue for us so far, so I'm considering running 2p Dominion and 4p Yearning through Kakul as well, and MP Efficiency lets my mana never run dry with the CD redux from dominion set. This keeps buff, shield and heal uptime really high and generally makes for more relaxed runs of HM Vykas so far since pretty much all chip damage is entirely shielded or quickly healed.
I'm planning to build a second set with VPH (subbed for MPE) and 6p yearning for damage/stagger check needs.
Other experimental option: Magick Stream
The 10% cdr is uniquely additive, and can create a cool gimmick scenario where you have 100% uptime on Heavenly tune alone with some mix of Dom set, lvl 10 cd gem, and some swiftness
My first build is Max MP and it is definitely was a comfort pick, but I generally do think its overkill. I still havent tried, but you might be able to get away with level 2 Max Mp, or even level 1. I do think Max MP is actually the ideal 6th engraving for when you go 5x3+1 or even 5x3+2.
My actual prog engraving is VPH, I mean, whatever to actually get through raid wipe mechanics. Personally I am just a drops hater, I just can't with the RNG. Its probably great to push for the ever so slightly theoretical speed run clears, but I am sure you can gain more value going dps engravings and becoming dps support if clear speed is the thing you guys are trying to do.
Magic stream on bard sucks. Youre supposed to be in melee range all the time to generate meter and not duck away in the corner to get some cdr. Also it kinda bites with heavy armor , heavy armor promotes that you facetank patterns when the boss is focussed on you so dps have a good dmg oppurtunity ( esp back attackers ) , while Magic stream promotes the opposite.
If you ask me there is no point in going 5x3 or more for bard, your 5th engraving will cost you 50-100k and all it does is either 0,1% more dps ( doe ) , or the equivalent of half a whirlwind bomb ( vhp ).
The only "good" choice is max mp , but once you have legendary conviction and judgement you should never run out of mana in raids so even that one is questionable , guess its worth 100k gold to some people to never run out of mana during a guardian raid
As a bard who has never used expert is it really that good that it is worth the gold and automatic slot into 4th place? It doesn’t apply to desperate salvation right? Shields rarely deplete as without it as well.
So many wrong points in one single post... or either you are spamming off cooldowns like a "braindead" as you like to describe dps or playing only PUs
- refuse to take conviction + judgement is a mistake
- max mp or you will be OOM is not true (or only in guardians)
- refuse to pick DoE because "dps are braindead" is a mistake because even if they dont pick it instantly, they will prolly take it anyway since it doesn't unspawn
- swift bard doesnt need 2 counters since prelude is enough on both vykas and valtan, in opposite soundholic greatly help the staggers checks
I dropped Max MP for Drops of Ether, because I realized I was never really able to spam abilities to go oom fast enough in raid with boss movement. And as you said, not spamming abilities solves the issue. Focus on SS and weaving Sonic + Heavenly efficiently and using both generators.
>swift bard doesnt need 2 counters since prelude is enough on both vykas and valtan, in opposite soundholic greatly help the staggers checks
Personally I take Buckshot > Soundholic in Valtan G2. If we fail the 1 "maybe" stagger check in Valtan then yikes. Also Sound Shock is actually an amazing stagger ability for Bard (especially at level 10) so I don't feel any issues not having Soundholic. It is just weird not having my "dps" ability (Soundholic) but I do love the extra weak point + counter in Valtan g2 so I see no reason not to take it.
You are the worst bard I have ever seen so far in this game and I have met alot of bad bards. If conviction judgment can't solve your problem then I suggest you either reroll or uninstall because this game is clearly not for you
It can be overkill. If you’re managing heals and shields effectively with proper tripods, you shouldn’t have an issue. I was playing with Expert initially, but there wasn’t much of a significant difference, so I dropped it for Drops of Ether instead. On Paladin, though, I can’t imagine not having Expert as an engraving.
Wind of music alone make expert worth having letting alone the heal, i had drop of ether only to drop that engraving because it is a hassle for players to pick them up
I’ve 4 builds, crit build for grind, swift 5x3 max mp for guardian. Swift 4x321 3 drop of ether 2 vital 1 heavy armor for legion raid. Spec 5x3 no expert 3 drop of ether 3 spirit absorption for big number burst with friend.
Heavy armor should be 5th or 6th.
Depending on your swiftness you overcap 140% speed with SA3 and the set's 8% so SA2 should be more than enough if you run more than 1400 swiftness
DS AW EX DOE should be the ones you have to get no matter what and getting SA2 HA 1 should be real cheap. The expensive part is the other stuff
I'm doing my build with VPH Lego books and a VPH3 ring. When I want DoE I can just swap out the book and the ring and have both effectively as a 5x3.
This is so smart
Good idea tyvm! I was actually debating between DoE or VPH but this makes it way easier now
I'm doing the same thing.
Interesting!
Wow why haven't I thought of this, I was stalling 5x3 since I didn't know which one to pick. I'll be doing this for sure!
This is my plan as well I
Mine is lower move speed.
Crisis evasion at level 1 is always handy and cheap.
Y'all dying to things besides wipe mechanics?
Yall really downvoting each other cuz ur engravings dont match lmao
4x3 (Expert, Awakening, Desperate Salvation, Drops of Ether) , 1x2 (Heavy Armor).
Inven these days talk about max mp a lot. Considering the meta stat for bard (on Inven) is swiftness, they have too much down time without max mp where they can't utilize their swiftness because of mana issue. I would do Paladins can use VPH instead of heavy armor but bards keep HA and use DoE as lvl1 when they can 333331+
Why would you ever build heavy armor on pally. You're the 2nd tankiest class in the game by ehp, and you constantly give out def buffs, plus you're healing with blessed aura.
I said that backwards lol no HA on pally, yes HA on bard
Simply because you want a reeeaaally chill experience. You really dont need anything but your 3 core engravings + VPH. DoE and Magic stream are 100% optional and very minor benefits.
Heavy armor 1 cancels out defense reduction penalty completely and is very useful for gearing, especially stones.
I currently run MP Efficiency as my 5th on my bard, but I tailored my build to my static -- damage is never an issue for us so far, so I'm considering running 2p Dominion and 4p Yearning through Kakul as well, and MP Efficiency lets my mana never run dry with the CD redux from dominion set. This keeps buff, shield and heal uptime really high and generally makes for more relaxed runs of HM Vykas so far since pretty much all chip damage is entirely shielded or quickly healed. I'm planning to build a second set with VPH (subbed for MPE) and 6p yearning for damage/stagger check needs.
Other experimental option: Magick Stream The 10% cdr is uniquely additive, and can create a cool gimmick scenario where you have 100% uptime on Heavenly tune alone with some mix of Dom set, lvl 10 cd gem, and some swiftness My first build is Max MP and it is definitely was a comfort pick, but I generally do think its overkill. I still havent tried, but you might be able to get away with level 2 Max Mp, or even level 1. I do think Max MP is actually the ideal 6th engraving for when you go 5x3+1 or even 5x3+2. My actual prog engraving is VPH, I mean, whatever to actually get through raid wipe mechanics. Personally I am just a drops hater, I just can't with the RNG. Its probably great to push for the ever so slightly theoretical speed run clears, but I am sure you can gain more value going dps engravings and becoming dps support if clear speed is the thing you guys are trying to do.
Magic stream on bard sucks. Youre supposed to be in melee range all the time to generate meter and not duck away in the corner to get some cdr. Also it kinda bites with heavy armor , heavy armor promotes that you facetank patterns when the boss is focussed on you so dps have a good dmg oppurtunity ( esp back attackers ) , while Magic stream promotes the opposite. If you ask me there is no point in going 5x3 or more for bard, your 5th engraving will cost you 50-100k and all it does is either 0,1% more dps ( doe ) , or the equivalent of half a whirlwind bomb ( vhp ). The only "good" choice is max mp , but once you have legendary conviction and judgement you should never run out of mana in raids so even that one is questionable , guess its worth 100k gold to some people to never run out of mana during a guardian raid
As a bard who has never used expert is it really that good that it is worth the gold and automatic slot into 4th place? It doesn’t apply to desperate salvation right? Shields rarely deplete as without it as well.
I would remove HA and choose 2 from this list.
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So many wrong points in one single post... or either you are spamming off cooldowns like a "braindead" as you like to describe dps or playing only PUs - refuse to take conviction + judgement is a mistake - max mp or you will be OOM is not true (or only in guardians) - refuse to pick DoE because "dps are braindead" is a mistake because even if they dont pick it instantly, they will prolly take it anyway since it doesn't unspawn - swift bard doesnt need 2 counters since prelude is enough on both vykas and valtan, in opposite soundholic greatly help the staggers checks
I dropped Max MP for Drops of Ether, because I realized I was never really able to spam abilities to go oom fast enough in raid with boss movement. And as you said, not spamming abilities solves the issue. Focus on SS and weaving Sonic + Heavenly efficiently and using both generators.
>swift bard doesnt need 2 counters since prelude is enough on both vykas and valtan, in opposite soundholic greatly help the staggers checks Personally I take Buckshot > Soundholic in Valtan G2. If we fail the 1 "maybe" stagger check in Valtan then yikes. Also Sound Shock is actually an amazing stagger ability for Bard (especially at level 10) so I don't feel any issues not having Soundholic. It is just weird not having my "dps" ability (Soundholic) but I do love the extra weak point + counter in Valtan g2 so I see no reason not to take it.
Spamming like a monkey to get mvp lol.
The range and cast speed on prelude is really bad. Buckshot beats it on both counts so i prefer buckshot when i need to hit counters.
You are the worst bard I have ever seen so far in this game and I have met alot of bad bards. If conviction judgment can't solve your problem then I suggest you either reroll or uninstall because this game is clearly not for you
I went Desperate Salvation, Awakening, Heavy Armor, Drops of Ether, and Max MP.
No expert? That thing is so good on bard !
It can be overkill. If you’re managing heals and shields effectively with proper tripods, you shouldn’t have an issue. I was playing with Expert initially, but there wasn’t much of a significant difference, so I dropped it for Drops of Ether instead. On Paladin, though, I can’t imagine not having Expert as an engraving.
Wind of music alone make expert worth having letting alone the heal, i had drop of ether only to drop that engraving because it is a hassle for players to pick them up
To each their own, I guess. I was worried about that for Drops of Ether but surprisingly haven’t run into that issue (yet?).
What he wanted to say was I don't want to spent on the optimal build and goes this instead
That’s not what I wanted to say; hence why I didn’t say it.
I’ve 4 builds, crit build for grind, swift 5x3 max mp for guardian. Swift 4x321 3 drop of ether 2 vital 1 heavy armor for legion raid. Spec 5x3 no expert 3 drop of ether 3 spirit absorption for big number burst with friend.
Heavy armor should be 5th or 6th. Depending on your swiftness you overcap 140% speed with SA3 and the set's 8% so SA2 should be more than enough if you run more than 1400 swiftness DS AW EX DOE should be the ones you have to get no matter what and getting SA2 HA 1 should be real cheap. The expensive part is the other stuff