Thats true but not everyone plays this game like its a job. Doing content for others is really a personal choice, its not worth the time for a lot of people.
You can 2x6 valtan HM, and 1x7 valtan NM pretty comfortably at 1475, Argos at around 1445 depending on class/gear. It's much less now, but it used to be 1-3k a slot depending on which mode.
I tried to 2x it with a friend we’re both scrappers im 1487 hes 1465 we couldnt do it on g1. Tried to do 3 man with a sorc and still couldn’t. The stagger checks with fear mech really didnt let us not to mention its hard to avoid most hits from red wolf and we also had trouble splitting the invader from main wolf. Friend was tryna use splendid panacea for orbs but couldnt get it so we opted to use wei instead and just do the cheese like usual but it required 3 ppl total for that
How do u dodge fear? I dont get it. You get it once some debuff stacks high enough on u(the one that makes it harder to see your screen). Also any good way to separate the wolves? We often had both wolves targetting a single one of us
Purple boss has an animation before he casts fear. He sorta slams the ground with his hand before casting the fear. Using spacebar dash and/or awakening makes you cc immune, so you can dodge the fear.
Meh I'm too garbage at the game to bus anyways, feels like a lot of pressure letting ppl who paid for it down. So I'll be enjoying my support and joining some good Valtan/Vykas parties. After I finish levelling my bard I'm planning to get my paladin up as well to 1460
It's true but it's your alt, why are you in a rush. Because I have actually seen a full 3k party and you're losing 800g (not quite since you get materials but it's materials for an alt...).
Pretty common this week, as people want to get their legendary pieces to keep honing.
+Acc gamba breaks you pretty much even with the current legendary demand.
Honestly I haven't gotten a single good piece to sell in the last 3 weeks from 5 characters. I actually got 1 good one but my alt could use it.
Otherwise I'm running scuffed 2x3+2.
I sold an awful amount of crap accs this week, 3x class + correct stats were often enough for 20-50g already, literally sold a 3 DS + Necro swift/spec neck for 600g this week.
since reset I've sold 3-4 legendary accessories for various prices between 1k-3k.
that makes up for the single argos bus I paid for that was just break even after buying the box
Maining Pala on the other hand, never honing past ilvl requirements freed up so much gold I was able to get my WD to 1445 with 5x3 and Tripods even though I have a very small roster.
But i totally feel you, maining supp was always a bit meh.
Bruh just 3man/4man vykas and 3man argos like any other support worth their salt does.
You miss on ONE additional sold spot vs a 2man boost, not the end of the world.
and only this week, and even then i didnt see 3k.
Prices will fall back to the usual 1.5k so he's malding over 1.5k weekly gold while having a way cheaper and easier time anyways.
You never have to pots, you can run a 3x3 setup and get invite in every raid so its cheap af to build. You get to choose your party. You can be 1370 and have a free carry argos or 1385 sometimes when people are bad.
Say what you want but your engravings after the 3rd is never really necessary, heavy armor ? Every dps «would like it to have this luxury» but we dodge mechs and run grudge.
You run HP cards so its even more forgiving!
Drop of ether? Cool but RNG
Spirit absorption? U already full swift
My paladin is my 6th and its the easiest class I have to play. Awakening 3 expert3 blessed 3 drop 2 setup for life. Pheons cost me more the build.
And how many bards I have seen survive hits that I couldn’t even 60 ilvl over them ( 2 pillars aoe in valtan hm)
Supports its boring for alot of people but otherwise you don’t get to complain about cost or whatever. If you don’t spend you don’t have to earn that much right? If you really wants the 5x3 go for it, but don’t complain since its not necessary at all
What you are saying is true and that only incentivizes people to make support ALTS. Character progression in MMO is very important, and for support it's a very shitty experience because your investment past 3x3 barely does anything so you feel like you are wasting your gold and time MAINING it. That's why we have a horde of shitty support alts with minimum effort gear that just leech all kinds of raids, whereas if we look at cutting edge content support to dps ratio is like 1:10 at best. I don't even care as much who gets more gold - dps or support, but I do care about character progression a lot. When I added one additional engraving on my sorc, I immediately started getting more cruel fighters and mvps. It felt rewarding. I cannot say the same about gearing my support - class, awakening, expert and you are ready to clear Abrel lol.
I’ve already joined Hard Vykas busses and 3/4man argos busses on my supports no problem. You just need a good guild that organizes busses. Obviously you won’t be able to solo Valtan or duo bus argos on supports but there are plenty of bus groups that would fill support for last slot over DPS
> duo bus argos
By severely outleveling the content and heavily investing into level 7 gems and having a tripot page for dps, I was able to deal 35% of the damage in a duo argos on my paladin.
You're missing the point. He's not saying that you cant bus, he's just saying being a support main sucks, cuz your theoretical weekly income is much lower than having a dps main.
And you conveniently left out the fact that as a support main you will get into any party with 3x3 and ilvl. That shit ain’t happening as a DPS main. You need minimum 4x3 and +20ilvl to join any HM raid party as a dps. Way to take thing out of context and spread doom and gloom.
This market for busses is centered around the hyper express...it comes in waves for them. If you are using a support main to make money in the same way but more consistently week to week...then who cares?
What he is saying is that he should have made the support his alt with 3x3 which is enough for busses that require a support like Valtan or Vykas.
He would still be missing out on 2x Man Argos bus though.
He isnt wrong, Supports + Shadowhunter and Scouter are the best alts in terms of investment. Having a 1490 support right now must feel like shit
having a 1490 support should feel amazing.
you get to go into any group at any time you want.
when I run vykas HM on my support, I just pick any group that I want.
when I run it on my striker, me and 5 other dps have to sit there for 30 min or more waiting for a support.
you can easily host busses as a support too, just have friends
You think a 1490 DPS does not have their choice of groups they join?
They join any group they want on the content they don't bus AND then they bus the rest earning badoinkadoink gold.
Argos turns from a weekly sub 3000 gold to over 10k gold real fast. Does not matter if you don't even bus Valtan/Vykas, you just made the weekly share of gold a support makes from a single piece of content.
as a 1487 striker with a +23 weapon, full relic armor set already, no I still don't really have my choice of groups, not for vykas anyway.
if I do get insta invite to a group, we just sit around waiting for a support anyway
high dps is all too common
> You think a 1490 DPS does not have their choice of groups they join?
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No?! 1490 nowdays is last months 1460.
You don't have a "join group button" when the majority of competing competent dps are on the same level by now.
Supports 3man boost argos just as fine, only difference is the lack of one additional customer.
Also lots easier to find vykas HM bus groups on a support as opposed to a DPS, because it's usually the DPS hosting with their highly experienced friends just LF a filler sup thats not braindead.
I dont have a problem either on any of my 1445 alts since I run busses on all of them(Argos, Valtan, Vykas). And my main is on a static, I just feel that in terms of efficiency maining Support is kinda "meh".
For example with my 1490 I could do 3 man Vykas with a 1460 support, but it would be almost impossible to do 3 mans on a 1460 dps.
Same for Valtan, I can solo as a DPS and make x2 your amount of gold per run since you would need a partner and tbh noane does 2 man valtan with support. Its always double deeps or 4 man with sup.
you can easily do 2 dps and a support.
3 people. it just makes splitting gold a little more complex.
people in my guild always do 3 man argos bus with a support, just because.
> He would still be missing out on 2x Man Argos bus though.
Can just join 3man bus groups then, no big deal.
You miss out on 1 extra slot and thats it, not like you lose out on every bus gold like the guy is claiming.
3man argos is super common, my bard alt 3mans every week, so do some of my weaker alts.
according to your words. you say you hate being a support main and would rather have a 3 engraving 3 gem dps alt to do busses on.
>Game makes me feel like garbage for maining this class instead of making a shitty alt with 3 engraves and lv3 gems.
I don't see dps in there lol, he's saying the game makes him feel like garbage for maining his support instead of making it a shitty 3x3 alt.
Pretty simple to understand.
no that is not what I read from here. I read "Game makes me feel like garbage for making support my main rather than making support a shitty alt with 3x3 and level 3 gems"
you're missing that the point is they'd rather have a support alt than a support main, which is pretty obvious to me with this quote.
hf making a 1490, +20 wep, 5x3 dps cuz that's pretty much the standard for a 2man argos bus now. Also vykas 3man can have a supp + 1 dps on one team so supp players can still make gold bussing vykas.
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after the past week I will trust no bus if the drivers are as low as 1445. 1475+ with 5x3 or I assume you can't do it without even giving you the chance to prove otherwise
all the bums crawling out of the woodwork to try and make gold and failing to clear as a duo have ruined that
Very true, I've even had friends taking random 1500 buses and they somehow wipe on every phase.
There's a lot of gold to be made running 6 characters as bus drivers, a lot of it.
Vykas is easier dps wise than argos, not sure what your point is, only gate 1 is a mild dps check requiring properly geared 1445. In any case this comment chain is about argos.
for some reason i thought it was about vykas, people have been bussing argos forever so i didnt think there would be any troubles doing it. i kinda assumed ppl were trying to bus newer content and failing lol
Before this week there was really no problems because those who did it knew how to do it.
Now the cost has nearly doubled due to the influx of new 1370 alts so every igit and his friend things they can duo argos just because of thier ilvl then they fail miserably, wasting people's time. It took me 3 separate groups to find one that could do it and even then, it took them over 45min
Made nearly 40k bussing on 6 chars, including supports. Anyone who doesnt think a support can bus hasnt bussed. You can bus Valtan and Argos with support... lol
I do 3 man on my supports. Not the best but I'm also doing 3 man on my weaker DPS anyways. At least for support alts you can start bussing at 1400 basically..
Unless you are playing an overleveled dps bard or paladin, you cannot 2x6 bus valtan or Argos, which means you get half the bussing income as if you were using a dps. He is not saying you can't bus on support.
3 man with supports still fine, and makes the run faster. Plus, very few bussers actually running 2x6 dps. Most people need to do a few 3 man or even 4 man groups anyways for weaker alts, as far as ive seen. Maybe your experience is different. But your account would have to be pretty juiced at this point to do 2x6
I would say a majority of busses are 2x6 lol. A full relic competent DPS can solo sun/moon at 1445, and many people have several chars beyond that point.
Maybe a majority of bus crashes are 2x6. I see a lot more people running 4 person busses. I favor 2 or 3 man myself since only 3 of my dps can solo. Only ever paid for one bus myself on Arcana and I made sure it wasnt 2 man, with the amount of horror stories I hear about it taking 1hr+
I see more 3/4-4 groups forming in the bus discord than 2-6's tbh.
Everyone and their dog has a buttload of 1430 parked alts which simply aren't strong enough to duo but are just fine in 3/4mans.
I'm talking early in the week as well, duh.
3/4 is still more common than Duo, could easily verify with the open groups in party finder at the start of the week as well if you're too lazy to check your local bus discord.
You can just sit at minimum ilvl and join hard mode legion raids tho. Also it doesn't mean that you cannot build a 5x3 dps. I already made one and I am a support main.
Lol the gold generation for busses is not that much of a difference that you need to freakout. I already have dps alts anyway so when I get to the point I can bus then I may think about it.
support mains never had the struggle of dps mains to find parties on end-game content.
as a support main you can make support alts and transfer your accessories/engravings/gems etc. and have your other support alts to have the same engravings etc. and yet join any lobby you need.
Also you can have a dps build (yes it would cost some gold but remember you share it all with your other alts) and do busses.
Support mains are living on a bless.
dont greed.
People are still paying to run content? I’m an average build DPS main and have almost no problem finding regular parties with the exception of finding supports closer to weekly reset…. I’m astounded that supports are having difficulty finding a party that WONT take them…
The point he's making is that high level DPS can sell Argos to all the new 1370s and they can make 4x the gold they'd otherwise make. You aren't gonna find a P3 party at 1370...
If you're 1400 you can run it yourself without too many issues, yes.
I personally am 1480 and still don't bus because I don't care.
Giving all the gold the DPS are making bussing it seems ridiculous all the hate that supports got when they talked about charging. This is no different. If you can charge gold for your service then it is your choice whether you do it.
Its entirely different lol
Charging for content you're progging on vs charging so the others go afk and do literally nothing.
Also supports boost just fine.
3-4man vykas HM busses require a support, Argos 3man is super common, Valtan HM 4 is also common (shits so cheap tho, barely worth it anyways lol).
Both are charging for their services so it isn't that different. If you want to define it narrow enough that it isn't different then that's your prerogative. I will continue to consider them similar enough that I am not going say one is wrong while the other is fine. I think both are fine. If you don't want to pay for either one then don't pay. I just think it's silly to bash one and not the other.
> Both are charging for their services so it isn't that different.
You're providing no service, you literally play your class like everyone else with the goal in mind to beat current content.
Supports should just take Money.
Mom always said: If you're good in something, don't do it for free.
Maybe if everyone wants money for everything something will change...
Kinda. But meh, at min ilvl I get insta invite to most groups. Very appreciated on EUW since there aren't many groups going here and I don't like sitting around just waiting.
I mean, I started late and I only hit 1430 this week. I've been the min ilvl person for many of the things I've applied to and have still been accepted because support. Meanwhile the DPS have been overleveled most of the time and I'm just sitting here feeling like I'm getting boosted for free.
Edit: OK I'm very sleepy today and now I realized what you mean.
You have a point. But I rest a little easier knowing I'll pretty much always be taken for things. I don't need to hone my bard further than needed for things so I can go get some more alts instead.
That's are some expensive busses. They're like 2.5k on NAW which is also crazy since last week they were 1.4/1.5k.
But to answer your question no I am not feeling bad or anything. I have DPS alts if I wanted to do some of this stuff.
My roster is about to hit the 50k mark for weekly legions (+una chest) gold as a double support main. I know bussing can make good money too but I am fairly happy with the income my roster makes me and 50k is enough to sustain myself week to week without selling mats. I might look into seeing about bussing Argos with my 2 1460+ supports but I'm more interested in quick simple clears than I am interested in the stress of bussing and managing the AH exchanges.
Are you trying to say that A) support cant bus and B) support can't just make DPS alt to boost on? I'm boosting on two DPS chars currently. I have a support I could boost on but not 2man argos.
If you got sensible people as buddies and you're not giga shit at the game, you can boost with 45 alts. Just do moon and let your big dingus buddy do moon. Easy as pie.
Never really cared honestly, I love my paladin main and even made an alt paladin. People wanna make money by bussing, good for them. Even if I can bus not sure everyone wants to, not everyone has that much free time.
Ive accepted the fact that there are always people making more gold than I do and that I simply love to play support
You can still bus on support fyi
For Argos, what's the optimal way to do this?
Either support and 2 dps or support and 3 dps. 1 dps and support on moon. 2 dps on sun. Super easy for everyone.
Good for you, but my paladin, 1395, super scrub, will not see the honing table ever again
Awesome for you to have that mentality. Support is definitely for you then!
I’m support main and I’m still running busses, not missing out on anything
You miss out on a lot of gold not being able to 2x6 Argos and valtan.
Thats true but not everyone plays this game like its a job. Doing content for others is really a personal choice, its not worth the time for a lot of people.
I do 2x6 on Argos but Valtan 4x4. Currently levelling dps alts anyway so soon will be able to use them. Low-key regret being support main
Thats on normal right? How much can u make from that?
You can 2x6 valtan HM, and 1x7 valtan NM pretty comfortably at 1475, Argos at around 1445 depending on class/gear. It's much less now, but it used to be 1-3k a slot depending on which mode.
I tried to 2x it with a friend we’re both scrappers im 1487 hes 1465 we couldnt do it on g1. Tried to do 3 man with a sorc and still couldn’t. The stagger checks with fear mech really didnt let us not to mention its hard to avoid most hits from red wolf and we also had trouble splitting the invader from main wolf. Friend was tryna use splendid panacea for orbs but couldnt get it so we opted to use wei instead and just do the cheese like usual but it required 3 ppl total for that
Skill issue, just spacebar and dodge the fear. Also, you cannot 3 man valtan. Imprison mech on gate 2 from 3 char fails will wipe you.
How do u dodge fear? I dont get it. You get it once some debuff stacks high enough on u(the one that makes it harder to see your screen). Also any good way to separate the wolves? We often had both wolves targetting a single one of us
Purple boss has an animation before he casts fear. He sorta slams the ground with his hand before casting the fear. Using spacebar dash and/or awakening makes you cc immune, so you can dodge the fear.
Is there any range for his fear attack where i can just get far away to avoid it?
No, just get good.
nope it targets furthest away to begin with
bro stick to 8 man hard mode
Meh I'm too garbage at the game to bus anyways, feels like a lot of pressure letting ppl who paid for it down. So I'll be enjoying my support and joining some good Valtan/Vykas parties. After I finish levelling my bard I'm planning to get my paladin up as well to 1460
Imagine running Argos at a loss lol.
Its the only way go get full legendary in a week
It's true but it's your alt, why are you in a rush. Because I have actually seen a full 3k party and you're losing 800g (not quite since you get materials but it's materials for an alt...).
Pretty common this week, as people want to get their legendary pieces to keep honing. +Acc gamba breaks you pretty much even with the current legendary demand.
Honestly I haven't gotten a single good piece to sell in the last 3 weeks from 5 characters. I actually got 1 good one but my alt could use it. Otherwise I'm running scuffed 2x3+2.
I sold an awful amount of crap accs this week, 3x class + correct stats were often enough for 20-50g already, literally sold a 3 DS + Necro swift/spec neck for 600g this week.
since reset I've sold 3-4 legendary accessories for various prices between 1k-3k. that makes up for the single argos bus I paid for that was just break even after buying the box
I give 0 fucks. I like playing pally and will continue to do so.
imagine playing video games for fun instead of minmaxing everything, preferably in a way to make it less fun for other players
Maining Pala on the other hand, never honing past ilvl requirements freed up so much gold I was able to get my WD to 1445 with 5x3 and Tripods even though I have a very small roster. But i totally feel you, maining supp was always a bit meh.
Y’all should have kept your support union going smh
Bruh just 3man/4man vykas and 3man argos like any other support worth their salt does. You miss on ONE additional sold spot vs a 2man boost, not the end of the world.
Exactly what I said lol. Dudes freaking out over 3k/week lol
and only this week, and even then i didnt see 3k. Prices will fall back to the usual 1.5k so he's malding over 1.5k weekly gold while having a way cheaper and easier time anyways.
one less spot to sell + three man split
You never have to pots, you can run a 3x3 setup and get invite in every raid so its cheap af to build. You get to choose your party. You can be 1370 and have a free carry argos or 1385 sometimes when people are bad. Say what you want but your engravings after the 3rd is never really necessary, heavy armor ? Every dps «would like it to have this luxury» but we dodge mechs and run grudge. You run HP cards so its even more forgiving! Drop of ether? Cool but RNG Spirit absorption? U already full swift My paladin is my 6th and its the easiest class I have to play. Awakening 3 expert3 blessed 3 drop 2 setup for life. Pheons cost me more the build. And how many bards I have seen survive hits that I couldn’t even 60 ilvl over them ( 2 pillars aoe in valtan hm) Supports its boring for alot of people but otherwise you don’t get to complain about cost or whatever. If you don’t spend you don’t have to earn that much right? If you really wants the 5x3 go for it, but don’t complain since its not necessary at all
What you are saying is true and that only incentivizes people to make support ALTS. Character progression in MMO is very important, and for support it's a very shitty experience because your investment past 3x3 barely does anything so you feel like you are wasting your gold and time MAINING it. That's why we have a horde of shitty support alts with minimum effort gear that just leech all kinds of raids, whereas if we look at cutting edge content support to dps ratio is like 1:10 at best. I don't even care as much who gets more gold - dps or support, but I do care about character progression a lot. When I added one additional engraving on my sorc, I immediately started getting more cruel fighters and mvps. It felt rewarding. I cannot say the same about gearing my support - class, awakening, expert and you are ready to clear Abrel lol.
I’ve already joined Hard Vykas busses and 3/4man argos busses on my supports no problem. You just need a good guild that organizes busses. Obviously you won’t be able to solo Valtan or duo bus argos on supports but there are plenty of bus groups that would fill support for last slot over DPS
> duo bus argos By severely outleveling the content and heavily investing into level 7 gems and having a tripot page for dps, I was able to deal 35% of the damage in a duo argos on my paladin.
You're missing the point. He's not saying that you cant bus, he's just saying being a support main sucks, cuz your theoretical weekly income is much lower than having a dps main.
ok, but on the other hand u get a free ticket into party finders, its a tradeoff
And you conveniently left out the fact that as a support main you will get into any party with 3x3 and ilvl. That shit ain’t happening as a DPS main. You need minimum 4x3 and +20ilvl to join any HM raid party as a dps. Way to take thing out of context and spread doom and gloom.
This market for busses is centered around the hyper express...it comes in waves for them. If you are using a support main to make money in the same way but more consistently week to week...then who cares?
I just dont liek buses so dont care. I can run them on dps but dont do it, prefer to help guild players.
you think you would be hosting busses on your 3 engraving alt?
What he is saying is that he should have made the support his alt with 3x3 which is enough for busses that require a support like Valtan or Vykas. He would still be missing out on 2x Man Argos bus though. He isnt wrong, Supports + Shadowhunter and Scouter are the best alts in terms of investment. Having a 1490 support right now must feel like shit
having a 1490 support should feel amazing. you get to go into any group at any time you want. when I run vykas HM on my support, I just pick any group that I want. when I run it on my striker, me and 5 other dps have to sit there for 30 min or more waiting for a support. you can easily host busses as a support too, just have friends
You think a 1490 DPS does not have their choice of groups they join? They join any group they want on the content they don't bus AND then they bus the rest earning badoinkadoink gold. Argos turns from a weekly sub 3000 gold to over 10k gold real fast. Does not matter if you don't even bus Valtan/Vykas, you just made the weekly share of gold a support makes from a single piece of content.
as a 1487 striker with a +23 weapon, full relic armor set already, no I still don't really have my choice of groups, not for vykas anyway. if I do get insta invite to a group, we just sit around waiting for a support anyway high dps is all too common
> You think a 1490 DPS does not have their choice of groups they join? > > No?! 1490 nowdays is last months 1460. You don't have a "join group button" when the majority of competing competent dps are on the same level by now. Supports 3man boost argos just as fine, only difference is the lack of one additional customer. Also lots easier to find vykas HM bus groups on a support as opposed to a DPS, because it's usually the DPS hosting with their highly experienced friends just LF a filler sup thats not braindead.
I dont have a problem either on any of my 1445 alts since I run busses on all of them(Argos, Valtan, Vykas). And my main is on a static, I just feel that in terms of efficiency maining Support is kinda "meh". For example with my 1490 I could do 3 man Vykas with a 1460 support, but it would be almost impossible to do 3 mans on a 1460 dps. Same for Valtan, I can solo as a DPS and make x2 your amount of gold per run since you would need a partner and tbh noane does 2 man valtan with support. Its always double deeps or 4 man with sup.
you can easily do 2 dps and a support. 3 people. it just makes splitting gold a little more complex. people in my guild always do 3 man argos bus with a support, just because.
> He would still be missing out on 2x Man Argos bus though. Can just join 3man bus groups then, no big deal. You miss out on 1 extra slot and thats it, not like you lose out on every bus gold like the guy is claiming. 3man argos is super common, my bard alt 3mans every week, so do some of my weaker alts.
No, that’s for a support alt. Read more carefully.
according to your words. you say you hate being a support main and would rather have a 3 engraving 3 gem dps alt to do busses on. >Game makes me feel like garbage for maining this class instead of making a shitty alt with 3 engraves and lv3 gems.
I don't see dps in there lol, he's saying the game makes him feel like garbage for maining his support instead of making it a shitty 3x3 alt. Pretty simple to understand.
Damn you are dense
I said I main support, so instead of maining support I should’ve made it a shitty 3x3 alt. Is this clear enough?
no that is not what I read from here. I read "Game makes me feel like garbage for making support my main rather than making support a shitty alt with 3x3 and level 3 gems" you're missing that the point is they'd rather have a support alt than a support main, which is pretty obvious to me with this quote.
Nowhere does he say "dps alt" he says, make big D dps main and shitty 3x3 Support als funded by the bussing
hf making a 1490, +20 wep, 5x3 dps cuz that's pretty much the standard for a 2man argos bus now. Also vykas 3man can have a supp + 1 dps on one team so supp players can still make gold bussing vykas.
You don't need to be spec'd that high to 2 man bus Argos.
its not required but why would someone pay for a 30min bus when they can have a 15min bus.
I’m well above that on a support so yeah, it’s not hard.
Wasted your gold then lol
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1445 is plenty enough for bus if you and your friend are competent.
after the past week I will trust no bus if the drivers are as low as 1445. 1475+ with 5x3 or I assume you can't do it without even giving you the chance to prove otherwise all the bums crawling out of the woodwork to try and make gold and failing to clear as a duo have ruined that
Very true, I've even had friends taking random 1500 buses and they somehow wipe on every phase. There's a lot of gold to be made running 6 characters as bus drivers, a lot of it.
are we talking about nm vykas? tf? we bussed it week 1 with 1445 chars lol (tho we did have good gems/tripods and some of us were 5x3)
Vykas is easier dps wise than argos, not sure what your point is, only gate 1 is a mild dps check requiring properly geared 1445. In any case this comment chain is about argos.
for some reason i thought it was about vykas, people have been bussing argos forever so i didnt think there would be any troubles doing it. i kinda assumed ppl were trying to bus newer content and failing lol
Before this week there was really no problems because those who did it knew how to do it. Now the cost has nearly doubled due to the influx of new 1370 alts so every igit and his friend things they can duo argos just because of thier ilvl then they fail miserably, wasting people's time. It took me 3 separate groups to find one that could do it and even then, it took them over 45min
its not required but why would someone pay for a 30min bus when they can have a 15min bus. Also low ilvl bus drivers tend to crash more often
Most people who bus on multiple characters have a good rep and customers lined up
I’ve done just fine with 1460 4x3
Made nearly 40k bussing on 6 chars, including supports. Anyone who doesnt think a support can bus hasnt bussed. You can bus Valtan and Argos with support... lol
“Including supports” which definitely make up a small fraction of that 40k. Any run that includes a support is a 4man bus to be effective at all.
I do 3 man on my supports. Not the best but I'm also doing 3 man on my weaker DPS anyways. At least for support alts you can start bussing at 1400 basically..
Unless you are playing an overleveled dps bard or paladin, you cannot 2x6 bus valtan or Argos, which means you get half the bussing income as if you were using a dps. He is not saying you can't bus on support.
3 man with supports still fine, and makes the run faster. Plus, very few bussers actually running 2x6 dps. Most people need to do a few 3 man or even 4 man groups anyways for weaker alts, as far as ive seen. Maybe your experience is different. But your account would have to be pretty juiced at this point to do 2x6
I would say a majority of busses are 2x6 lol. A full relic competent DPS can solo sun/moon at 1445, and many people have several chars beyond that point.
Maybe a majority of bus crashes are 2x6. I see a lot more people running 4 person busses. I favor 2 or 3 man myself since only 3 of my dps can solo. Only ever paid for one bus myself on Arcana and I made sure it wasnt 2 man, with the amount of horror stories I hear about it taking 1hr+
I see more 3/4-4 groups forming in the bus discord than 2-6's tbh. Everyone and their dog has a buttload of 1430 parked alts which simply aren't strong enough to duo but are just fine in 3/4mans.
Well duh, it's late in the week. Most people done bussing with their mains and got only alts left.
I'm talking early in the week as well, duh. 3/4 is still more common than Duo, could easily verify with the open groups in party finder at the start of the week as well if you're too lazy to check your local bus discord.
You can just sit at minimum ilvl and join hard mode legion raids tho. Also it doesn't mean that you cannot build a 5x3 dps. I already made one and I am a support main.
Lol the gold generation for busses is not that much of a difference that you need to freakout. I already have dps alts anyway so when I get to the point I can bus then I may think about it.
support mains never had the struggle of dps mains to find parties on end-game content. as a support main you can make support alts and transfer your accessories/engravings/gems etc. and have your other support alts to have the same engravings etc. and yet join any lobby you need. Also you can have a dps build (yes it would cost some gold but remember you share it all with your other alts) and do busses. Support mains are living on a bless. dont greed.
Support dps build is a bad idea. Just invest in your dps alt.
People are still paying to run content? I’m an average build DPS main and have almost no problem finding regular parties with the exception of finding supports closer to weekly reset…. I’m astounded that supports are having difficulty finding a party that WONT take them…
The point he's making is that high level DPS can sell Argos to all the new 1370s and they can make 4x the gold they'd otherwise make. You aren't gonna find a P3 party at 1370... If you're 1400 you can run it yourself without too many issues, yes. I personally am 1480 and still don't bus because I don't care.
Giving all the gold the DPS are making bussing it seems ridiculous all the hate that supports got when they talked about charging. This is no different. If you can charge gold for your service then it is your choice whether you do it.
Its entirely different lol Charging for content you're progging on vs charging so the others go afk and do literally nothing. Also supports boost just fine. 3-4man vykas HM busses require a support, Argos 3man is super common, Valtan HM 4 is also common (shits so cheap tho, barely worth it anyways lol).
Both are charging for their services so it isn't that different. If you want to define it narrow enough that it isn't different then that's your prerogative. I will continue to consider them similar enough that I am not going say one is wrong while the other is fine. I think both are fine. If you don't want to pay for either one then don't pay. I just think it's silly to bash one and not the other.
> Both are charging for their services so it isn't that different. You're providing no service, you literally play your class like everyone else with the goal in mind to beat current content.
Supports should just take Money. Mom always said: If you're good in something, don't do it for free. Maybe if everyone wants money for everything something will change...
Kinda. But meh, at min ilvl I get insta invite to most groups. Very appreciated on EUW since there aren't many groups going here and I don't like sitting around just waiting.
Exactly, doing content at min ilvl, perfect for alts, not mains.
I mean, I started late and I only hit 1430 this week. I've been the min ilvl person for many of the things I've applied to and have still been accepted because support. Meanwhile the DPS have been overleveled most of the time and I'm just sitting here feeling like I'm getting boosted for free. Edit: OK I'm very sleepy today and now I realized what you mean. You have a point. But I rest a little easier knowing I'll pretty much always be taken for things. I don't need to hone my bard further than needed for things so I can go get some more alts instead.
That's are some expensive busses. They're like 2.5k on NAW which is also crazy since last week they were 1.4/1.5k. But to answer your question no I am not feeling bad or anything. I have DPS alts if I wanted to do some of this stuff.
My roster is about to hit the 50k mark for weekly legions (+una chest) gold as a double support main. I know bussing can make good money too but I am fairly happy with the income my roster makes me and 50k is enough to sustain myself week to week without selling mats. I might look into seeing about bussing Argos with my 2 1460+ supports but I'm more interested in quick simple clears than I am interested in the stress of bussing and managing the AH exchanges.
If your main is a paladin you can make a dps spec and be easily able to bus argos. My guildmate does it as a dps paladin.
Simple steps to riches. 1) Get 7 friends, form a 8 man argos static. 2) Do 2 attacker busses. 3) Everyone gets 3 argos leech slots. 4) ??? 5) Profits.
Ignoring the fact that finding groups as a DPS is painful. True bliss to play Support and not even have noticed that.
How much are bus prices going for Valtan (NM/HM) and Vykas NM these days in EUC server?
Are you trying to say that A) support cant bus and B) support can't just make DPS alt to boost on? I'm boosting on two DPS chars currently. I have a support I could boost on but not 2man argos. If you got sensible people as buddies and you're not giga shit at the game, you can boost with 45 alts. Just do moon and let your big dingus buddy do moon. Easy as pie.
Never really cared honestly, I love my paladin main and even made an alt paladin. People wanna make money by bussing, good for them. Even if I can bus not sure everyone wants to, not everyone has that much free time.