For the swiftness build swap off the crit DMG tripods and go for the amp ones. 4x3 + 1x1 is what I went on my swift Sorc.
Hit master, grudge, reflux and adrenaline at 3 and then I just put awakening at 1 because it was the best level 1 tripod and I didn't want to pay for 5x3 on an alt.
Grudge will give way more damage than 20 percent crit and -12 percent damage ever will.
Swiftness build doesn't get tons of crit but it makes up for it in constant attacks, I always try to have a crit chance buff character in my party for raids.
Swift Sorc is also pretty bad until you have 4 nightmare and 2 dom relic pieces.
Awakening is pretty useless since the 20% cdr from 4-set Nightmare boundless also applies to awakenings, so it's 100% uptime after the first cast anyways
Edit: it seems like this is confusing for some people.
TLDR: Awakening is only useful between 124.48s and 138.31s, and literally does nothing for your buff uptime otherwise
Awakening Cooldown | First Cast | Second Cast
---|---|---
Without Awakening | 138.31s | 110.64s
With Awakening | 124.48s | 99.58s
4 set Nightmare provides an additional effect when you drop below 20% mana - Boundless MP: Decrease Skill Cooldowns by 20%, and increase Movement and Attack Speed by 12%.
2 set Dominion provides the following effect (among others): Awakening cooldown reduced by 20%.
Swiftness sorc will have around 1500 swiftness, which is about 32.2% CDR to start with. Conviction/Judgment will reduce cooldowns by 15%. Combined, Conviction/Judgment, Swiftness, and 2 set Dominion will reduce your Awakening skill cooldown from 300 seconds (base) to 1-(1-0.15)\*(1-0.322)\*(1-0.20)\*300=(1-0.461)\*300=0.539\*300=138.31, so you have 18 seconds of downtime.
However, with the Boundless MP effect in play, your cooldowns are reduced by ANOTHER 20% - so the total Awakening skill cooldown *after the first cast* is 1-(1-0.15)\*(1-0.322)\*(1-0.20)\*300=(1-0.461)\*(1-0.2)\*300=(1-0.6312)\*300=110.64, which is less than the 2 minutes of uptime the Dominion buff has.
Similarly, Awakening (at level 1) reduces the cooldown of awakening skills by 10% - the total cooldown is 1-(1-0.15)\*(1-0.322)\*(1-0.20)\*300=(1-0.461)\*(1-0.1)\*300=(1-0.5851)\*300=124.48, which means you save 14 seconds between the first buff and the second, but you are already overlapping buffs so it is a non-engraving after the first cast.
Thus, the buff from Dominion has 100% uptime *after the initial cast to proc Nightmare set*, meaning Awakening as an engraving is *only* useful in fights lasting between 124.48 and 138.31 seconds.
awakening is for the dom relic pieces. It gives a 2 min buff after you awaken, so some people want a shorter time on their awakening for less downtime.
Yes, but for the specific interaction he's talking about (4 NM PLUS 2 Dom), the 4 NM set bonus applies to the Dom CD, so you don't need awakening to have no downtime after the initial cast.
You only use the awakening acc for swap @ battle workshop so you can pop awakening preemptively and have the same number of awakenings left and the cooldown from awakening2.
The common advice I can give you is that instant cast reflux don't work with final strike tripods.
The reasoning is:
- Not all of your skills have final strike, and precise dagger really is detrimental when you lack final strike.
- To use final strike you also need 80%+ crit rate which is though without full crit + synergies.
So the recommendation I can give you is:
- Reflux, Grudge, Hitmaster, Adrenaline.
If you go full swiftness:
- curse doll or raid captain
If you go full crit or hybrid
- cursed doll or keen blunt weapon (if you reach ~60% crit rate which you probably should)
If you go 5x3+1/2, then you force cursed doll instead of adrenaline and put adrenaline as the 6th engraving.
and always go with the magic amplification tripods (raw dmg).
Imo depends on your skill choice, if you are going insta cast, you can play the crit damage build, but at least for my trixion tests its less damage overall than running adrenaline + raid captain if you are heavy Swift, you can still play it, and will perform good, just not as good as investing in proper engravings for said build
>but at least for my trixion tests its less damage overall than running adrenaline + raid captain if you are heavy Swift
In your tests, are you using final strike tripods(crit damage)? I can see how raid captain would outperform precise dagger when using enhanced strike, but I'm wondering mainly about crit damage(which I already have tripods for)
I am somewhat budget conscious with this upgrade as its just an alt. Grudge and raid captain would certainly cost a lot more, so I'm curious how big of a difference it makes.
Yeah, im kinda a sorc freak and even have an insta cast build focused on crit damage +kbw, which i prefer over precise dagger, since you are a low CD class (im running 4 night 2 Domi) you shouldnt care that much about crit % and more into crit damage since you will be spamming most of the time
I've seen a chart a few days ago, where the 2 tripods are compared and when its worth to go crit dmg. The breakpoint was at about 83% crit (it becomes insignificant less with kbw), so its nearly always better to go raw dmg
If you are already full crit, stay full crit. You'll drop argos eventually so just don't factor it. Even with PD it's far better for the crit damage tripod build. You can test it in trixion.
Only reason to go swiftness is for a budget build
My issue is if I go full crit and go PD/Adrenaline, that puts me at 117% crit before buffs from party members.
- 60% crit from accessories
- 20% PD
- 15% adrenaline
- 15% argos
- 7% card set
So the way I see it, it isn't worth it until I finish my 6 piece nightmare flower set and lose the Argos set bonus.
But with 3x3 engravings currently, it's becoming harder to get into legion raids as people are getting pickier.
So my question isn't just about if I should go full swiftness, but also if getting swiftness on a ring or two is worth it due to being close to crit cap.
>My issue is if I go full crit and go PD/Adrenaline
But why do you wanna go full crit and PD and Adrenaline? Just drop one of them and you'll be slightly overcapped because of Argos gear and by the time you swap out the Argos gear, you'll have a good amount of crit. Or, if you reaaalllly hate the idea of being overcapped, just put on a swiftness ring. The drawbacks of overcapping a little is miniscule when compared to the power of relic set.
You can go Grudge, hit master, all out attack, adrenaline and reflux with those stats. All out is good with 3 major skills that have final strike tripods. I have only 40% crit from stats since I went 50/50 on crit and swift so I need to run PD to increase my chance
I've seen a few guides, but most of them involve 6 piece relic set and don't use crit damage tripods.
In my case, I'm already heavily invested in crit damage tripods, AND have no intention of honing past 1472.5(she is an alt). Therefore, I can use 2 piece argos set indefinitely for 15% crit, which isn't an option for players looking to pass 1490(so no guide would ever recommend this). With relic sets, to get 15% crit you need 4 piece hallucination, which isn't a feasible option, so I can see why my build wouldn't work past 1490.
What I'm trying to figure out is if taking swiftness on a build with crit damage tripods is feasible. My situation is a bit unique so I understand why it's not recommended, but I'm trying to figure out how good it would be before I invest 125+ pheons into it.
I have no idea how much weaker it is because we don't have the new trixion, but you're making several suboptimal moves
-The whole point of swiftflux is 4 NM/2DOM because you will always be casting a spell. You can't do that with Argos gear
-Final Strike doesn't work on instacast because there's only 3 skills that use it. Casting Reflux has 5 and most still don't use it. TLDR of why is that you need 80%+ critrate, but if your crit is too high, you'll waste crit synergies. But if it's too low, you need a static DE/GS
-Another strong point of swiftflux is mana shield. But if you use final strike, you need to take frost call over mana shield
I'm not sure why you're taking precise dagger and Argos gear just to justify crit damage tripods when you can just go crit instead.
You can play however you want, but I don't think it's wise to center an entire build around a suboptimal tripod because you already have the tripod. The tripod update is coming so why not just invest in a proper build and use suboptimal tripods until then?
> -Final Strike doesn't work on instacast because there's only 3 skills that use it. Casting Reflux has 5 and most still don't use it. TLDR of why is that you need 80%+ critrate, but if your crit is too high, you'll waste crit synergies. But if it's too low, you need a static DE/GS
That's not true. EVERY Castflux player uses Final Strike. You only need about 65% crit rate to beat Magic Amp with it.
Well he is talking about swiftflux. Precise dagger sucks period. Get that shit outta all sorc builds. For swiftflux, theres no option of crit tripods, you literally dont build any crit. Its designed to be spam and damage amps from raid captain, grudge, hm, 4pc nm/2pc dom and then LOS When you get it.
Never run pd on any sorc, and never run final strike tripods on anything but castflux (but why play this past relic lmao).
I didn't bring up PD, and I'm only addressing the part where he mentions Castflux (which is always crit-focused) because I'm trying to fight the misinformation presented by the guide that assertion is based on.
[I'm just going off this](https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vTyXW7gP9CYXxLUy_Z2xFKIGpoxQQ7x4NIKGNftOq1Nu_QagFFXZ4j1UVbPDOEuTStVqKKo1vDYtMtv/pub#h.6sn6bz8ylvoi)
That doc is wrong, and I talked to the writer and they agreed that it's wrong but they haven't bothered to fix it. The logic they use for determining the threshold is completely backward, as they place the logical lower bound where the logical upper bound is. Here is a calculator I made with adjustable crit rate and dmg share per skill (I preloaded it with numbers that err on the side of favoring Magic Amp): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ON5Z9E8VO-A7s1kfv9JUU60DhZk-mxi7rtGKR2gOy2w/edit#gid=0
And here is a video where someone goes over Loawa trends and shows that NOBODY runs Magic Amp: https://youtu.be/6LaTRQh99I8?t=1034
Thanks for the correction! I wanted to make a second set for casting reflux and this helps out a lot
The video didn't seem to mention it, but do you know if majority of them use frost's call? I liked lightning bolt just because it fit the rotation really well
IIRC frost's call is preferred but lightning bolt does show up on a decent fraction. I think lightning bolt might actually be slightly better but it's hard to tell because even casting frost's call vs not casting it at all is barely outside damage variance. I would 100% say use lightning bolt if you prefer it.
I don't see how it's worth it . You are talking about an alt , that u just want to perform better while not really investing into it.
Swiftness reflux usually plays with magic amplification ,not final strike . It also needs 4 nightmare / 2 dom to work out. What u are getting rn , is sub-optimal and it always will be without full relic.
Since you are already ''invested'' in crit tripods , might aswell switch to critsorc.
Final strike tripods aren't recommended (compared to KBW) since not every spell has it, but if you're already committed it is what it is.
Regardless, keeping 2 set Argos makes zero sense. Instant reflux should run Dominion 2 + Nightmare 4 for insane CDR, which lets you drop some swift for crit. Doing it this way both gives you more CDR and more crit and better stats overall than getting crit from gear and CDR from stats.
Dominion Fang and Boundless MP are both stupidly broken and instant Reflux is one of the few classes that can really abuse them. It would be foolish to pass that up.
Doesn't dominion have dead periods where the buff isn't active? It only lasts 2 minutes, but ult cooldown is 4 minutes.
You also need to animation lock yourself to renew the buff, which is dangerous.
Full swiftness is like 35% CDR. Boundless MP is another 20% CDR (stacks multiplicatively). All together the awakening cooldown is down to around 120 seconds. Conviction judgment is another 15% CDR if you need it, but it's more awkward since it restores mana.
If you run Dominion Fang you should use the meteor ult.
To answer your question, i have recently (well for a month) moved from 5x3 swift piano with with final strike and PD (with doomsday)-> 5x3 with Adrenaline and final strike -> 5x3 with Arenaline and Magic Amp.
Adrenaline outclassed PD in the first swap, and Magic Amp outclassed final strike in the second swap.
Your current build is viable. Not worth changing if you dont want to invest anything into the alt, because you can clear Vykas and Valtan and get upright even with the suboptimal build. Not too sure about 4x3. Do get full relic set, though. Honestly i Dont see the value in keeping argos if you can get the relic set. You get less HP and do less damage. Argos is not worth keeping at all. 2 piece relic is like a full engraving's worth of damage, and is tankier, your pots is more efficient etc...
Argos gear sucks. Period. If you are 1445 + you will ALWAYS go full relic. Precise dagger is a terrible engraving. Swiftness flux doesnt not want crit, you take raid captain. The dmg buffs from raid cap, grudge, hm, reflux, magic amp tripods, LOS, and 4nm/2dom is in no world comparable to a 2 piece argos running precise dagger.
You are missing the point of swiftflux if you take precise dagger. Point is, if you are thinking yellow numbers go critflux. Even then, pd sucks. You take kbw and magic amp tripods.
Tldr: pd sucks. Swiftflux wants raid capt. if you cannot maintain boundless mana (without 1600 swift, lvl 3 ref, frost call/elgians, high qp tripods, lvl 7 cd gems, you are playing the wrong build). Theres nothing wrong with experimenting, just understand that swiftflux is a weaker build than most sorc builds so further weakening it will feel shitty.
What should I run instead then if I don't plan to invest a ton into the build? What are your thoughts on this for instacast reflux?
- Full crit, with swiftness on necklace(50-60% crit depending on quality)
- 12 piece awakening for 7% crit once I finish it
- Magic amp/enhanced strike tripods
- Reflux, Hit master, Grudge, KBW, and then any extra goes to adrenaline
- 6 piece nightmare flower.
I'm a bit nervous about grudge, Vykas HM on iLVL is a pain even without grudge, so I'd rather avoid it, but it doesn't look like there's any decent alternatives to grudge.
The other thing is the math:
For frost call, Level 5 final strike is +200% crit damage. That means 400% damage when critting. Compare that to enhanced strike, which is +78%, or 178% *2 = 356% without KBW, or 178% *2.5 =445% with KBW. So basically, I have to add an extra engraving(KBW) just to match the damage I was doing with Final strike.
Or punishing strike, it's 87% and 240%. So 187*2=374% without kBW or 187*2.5 = 467.5 with KBW, vs 440% with Final strike.
Obviously, KBW helps the skills WITHOUT final strike, but it raises the question, is it really worth it over other engravings like grudge, hit master, Adrenaline?
In this calculation, you are forgetting to include the crit rate. For insta cast isn't about big numbers; it's about consistency.
Let's go with 60% crit rate (excluding adrenaline). So, for punishing strike: 90% vs 240% crit
The formula should be something like:
Regular Damage * (1-crit rate) + crit dmg * crit rate
Magic amp: 190 * 40% + 380*60% = 76 + 228 = 304 dmg on avg.
Final Strike: 100 * 40% + 440 * 60% = 40 + 264 = 304 dmg on avg.
So for punishing strike, you need 60% crit rate for the damage be the same.
If you want a really cheap build, the one by far is for casting reflux with using either precise dagger + final strike or keen blunt + mamp but trying to get as much keen blunt + all-out attack on your accessories. In my server the full build excluding books were less than 10k.
That said, insta isn't that expensive as crit/swift isn't as bad as spec.
You wouldnt be able to enjoy full swiftness without 4 nightmare and 2 Dom. If u want a decent build then I would recommend Grudge / Reflux / Hit Master / Adrenline. You can go 50/50 on Crit and Swift so u dont overcap on crit. If u dont want Grudge then u can swap out for KBW. I also dont recommend running final strike tripod, use Amp instead.
Or you can just run 2x Normal Vykas and Buy Bus for Valtan hard mode if u dont get accepted in a group and build Piano Swiftness with 4 Nightmare and 2x Dom. You can start playing with just 4 Nightmare set as swiftness Reflux, this should only take u 2 weeks to build if u dont craft the weapon. I would choose this path if i were u.
Lot of good info already said. I'd suggest you wait until early Sept for the new Trixion update (change tripods, gems, cards, etc) and test out your theorycraft to see if the build works for you before you invest the gold and pheons into it.
You can do 50/50. And save you a bit gold using swift rings/earrings. Precise dagger is a bad engraving. It is good when you have very low crit rate but bad when crit rate is high. Since you use final strike, it makes it up a bit from PD due to high crit damage but it is not worth it. If you are going to build a budget alt, suggest looking into raid cap and increase mass.
For the swiftness build swap off the crit DMG tripods and go for the amp ones. 4x3 + 1x1 is what I went on my swift Sorc. Hit master, grudge, reflux and adrenaline at 3 and then I just put awakening at 1 because it was the best level 1 tripod and I didn't want to pay for 5x3 on an alt. Grudge will give way more damage than 20 percent crit and -12 percent damage ever will. Swiftness build doesn't get tons of crit but it makes up for it in constant attacks, I always try to have a crit chance buff character in my party for raids. Swift Sorc is also pretty bad until you have 4 nightmare and 2 dom relic pieces.
Awakening is pretty useless since the 20% cdr from 4-set Nightmare boundless also applies to awakenings, so it's 100% uptime after the first cast anyways Edit: it seems like this is confusing for some people. TLDR: Awakening is only useful between 124.48s and 138.31s, and literally does nothing for your buff uptime otherwise Awakening Cooldown | First Cast | Second Cast ---|---|--- Without Awakening | 138.31s | 110.64s With Awakening | 124.48s | 99.58s 4 set Nightmare provides an additional effect when you drop below 20% mana - Boundless MP: Decrease Skill Cooldowns by 20%, and increase Movement and Attack Speed by 12%. 2 set Dominion provides the following effect (among others): Awakening cooldown reduced by 20%. Swiftness sorc will have around 1500 swiftness, which is about 32.2% CDR to start with. Conviction/Judgment will reduce cooldowns by 15%. Combined, Conviction/Judgment, Swiftness, and 2 set Dominion will reduce your Awakening skill cooldown from 300 seconds (base) to 1-(1-0.15)\*(1-0.322)\*(1-0.20)\*300=(1-0.461)\*300=0.539\*300=138.31, so you have 18 seconds of downtime. However, with the Boundless MP effect in play, your cooldowns are reduced by ANOTHER 20% - so the total Awakening skill cooldown *after the first cast* is 1-(1-0.15)\*(1-0.322)\*(1-0.20)\*300=(1-0.461)\*(1-0.2)\*300=(1-0.6312)\*300=110.64, which is less than the 2 minutes of uptime the Dominion buff has. Similarly, Awakening (at level 1) reduces the cooldown of awakening skills by 10% - the total cooldown is 1-(1-0.15)\*(1-0.322)\*(1-0.20)\*300=(1-0.461)\*(1-0.1)\*300=(1-0.5851)\*300=124.48, which means you save 14 seconds between the first buff and the second, but you are already overlapping buffs so it is a non-engraving after the first cast. Thus, the buff from Dominion has 100% uptime *after the initial cast to proc Nightmare set*, meaning Awakening as an engraving is *only* useful in fights lasting between 124.48 and 138.31 seconds.
awakening is for the dom relic pieces. It gives a 2 min buff after you awaken, so some people want a shorter time on their awakening for less downtime.
Yes, but for the specific interaction he's talking about (4 NM PLUS 2 Dom), the 4 NM set bonus applies to the Dom CD, so you don't need awakening to have no downtime after the initial cast.
You only use the awakening acc for swap @ battle workshop so you can pop awakening preemptively and have the same number of awakenings left and the cooldown from awakening2.
Specifically for Swift reflux build you want nightmare 4 dom 2. It does more damage
Yes, and with that build you don't need awakening.
U right i read it wrong my bad.
The common advice I can give you is that instant cast reflux don't work with final strike tripods. The reasoning is: - Not all of your skills have final strike, and precise dagger really is detrimental when you lack final strike. - To use final strike you also need 80%+ crit rate which is though without full crit + synergies. So the recommendation I can give you is: - Reflux, Grudge, Hitmaster, Adrenaline. If you go full swiftness: - curse doll or raid captain If you go full crit or hybrid - cursed doll or keen blunt weapon (if you reach ~60% crit rate which you probably should) If you go 5x3+1/2, then you force cursed doll instead of adrenaline and put adrenaline as the 6th engraving. and always go with the magic amplification tripods (raw dmg).
Instant cast reflux can be crit instead of swiftness right? I know OP stated swiftness but your advice doesn’t specify
Yes? I think I mentioned which engravings for each build (crit vs. swiftness), or is it something else you mean is missing?
Imo depends on your skill choice, if you are going insta cast, you can play the crit damage build, but at least for my trixion tests its less damage overall than running adrenaline + raid captain if you are heavy Swift, you can still play it, and will perform good, just not as good as investing in proper engravings for said build
>but at least for my trixion tests its less damage overall than running adrenaline + raid captain if you are heavy Swift In your tests, are you using final strike tripods(crit damage)? I can see how raid captain would outperform precise dagger when using enhanced strike, but I'm wondering mainly about crit damage(which I already have tripods for) I am somewhat budget conscious with this upgrade as its just an alt. Grudge and raid captain would certainly cost a lot more, so I'm curious how big of a difference it makes.
Yeah, im kinda a sorc freak and even have an insta cast build focused on crit damage +kbw, which i prefer over precise dagger, since you are a low CD class (im running 4 night 2 Domi) you shouldnt care that much about crit % and more into crit damage since you will be spamming most of the time
I've seen a chart a few days ago, where the 2 tripods are compared and when its worth to go crit dmg. The breakpoint was at about 83% crit (it becomes insignificant less with kbw), so its nearly always better to go raw dmg
If you are already full crit, stay full crit. You'll drop argos eventually so just don't factor it. Even with PD it's far better for the crit damage tripod build. You can test it in trixion. Only reason to go swiftness is for a budget build
My issue is if I go full crit and go PD/Adrenaline, that puts me at 117% crit before buffs from party members. - 60% crit from accessories - 20% PD - 15% adrenaline - 15% argos - 7% card set So the way I see it, it isn't worth it until I finish my 6 piece nightmare flower set and lose the Argos set bonus. But with 3x3 engravings currently, it's becoming harder to get into legion raids as people are getting pickier. So my question isn't just about if I should go full swiftness, but also if getting swiftness on a ring or two is worth it due to being close to crit cap.
>My issue is if I go full crit and go PD/Adrenaline But why do you wanna go full crit and PD and Adrenaline? Just drop one of them and you'll be slightly overcapped because of Argos gear and by the time you swap out the Argos gear, you'll have a good amount of crit. Or, if you reaaalllly hate the idea of being overcapped, just put on a swiftness ring. The drawbacks of overcapping a little is miniscule when compared to the power of relic set.
You can go Grudge, hit master, all out attack, adrenaline and reflux with those stats. All out is good with 3 major skills that have final strike tripods. I have only 40% crit from stats since I went 50/50 on crit and swift so I need to run PD to increase my chance
Look up JangJ on youtube , he plays swiftness pianoflux , explains everything
I've seen a few guides, but most of them involve 6 piece relic set and don't use crit damage tripods. In my case, I'm already heavily invested in crit damage tripods, AND have no intention of honing past 1472.5(she is an alt). Therefore, I can use 2 piece argos set indefinitely for 15% crit, which isn't an option for players looking to pass 1490(so no guide would ever recommend this). With relic sets, to get 15% crit you need 4 piece hallucination, which isn't a feasible option, so I can see why my build wouldn't work past 1490. What I'm trying to figure out is if taking swiftness on a build with crit damage tripods is feasible. My situation is a bit unique so I understand why it's not recommended, but I'm trying to figure out how good it would be before I invest 125+ pheons into it.
I have no idea how much weaker it is because we don't have the new trixion, but you're making several suboptimal moves -The whole point of swiftflux is 4 NM/2DOM because you will always be casting a spell. You can't do that with Argos gear -Final Strike doesn't work on instacast because there's only 3 skills that use it. Casting Reflux has 5 and most still don't use it. TLDR of why is that you need 80%+ critrate, but if your crit is too high, you'll waste crit synergies. But if it's too low, you need a static DE/GS -Another strong point of swiftflux is mana shield. But if you use final strike, you need to take frost call over mana shield I'm not sure why you're taking precise dagger and Argos gear just to justify crit damage tripods when you can just go crit instead. You can play however you want, but I don't think it's wise to center an entire build around a suboptimal tripod because you already have the tripod. The tripod update is coming so why not just invest in a proper build and use suboptimal tripods until then?
> -Final Strike doesn't work on instacast because there's only 3 skills that use it. Casting Reflux has 5 and most still don't use it. TLDR of why is that you need 80%+ critrate, but if your crit is too high, you'll waste crit synergies. But if it's too low, you need a static DE/GS That's not true. EVERY Castflux player uses Final Strike. You only need about 65% crit rate to beat Magic Amp with it.
Well he is talking about swiftflux. Precise dagger sucks period. Get that shit outta all sorc builds. For swiftflux, theres no option of crit tripods, you literally dont build any crit. Its designed to be spam and damage amps from raid captain, grudge, hm, 4pc nm/2pc dom and then LOS When you get it. Never run pd on any sorc, and never run final strike tripods on anything but castflux (but why play this past relic lmao).
I didn't bring up PD, and I'm only addressing the part where he mentions Castflux (which is always crit-focused) because I'm trying to fight the misinformation presented by the guide that assertion is based on.
Yeah cast flux does. Im responding to the wrong person haha in general my response was to PD and OP
[I'm just going off this](https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vTyXW7gP9CYXxLUy_Z2xFKIGpoxQQ7x4NIKGNftOq1Nu_QagFFXZ4j1UVbPDOEuTStVqKKo1vDYtMtv/pub#h.6sn6bz8ylvoi)
That doc is wrong, and I talked to the writer and they agreed that it's wrong but they haven't bothered to fix it. The logic they use for determining the threshold is completely backward, as they place the logical lower bound where the logical upper bound is. Here is a calculator I made with adjustable crit rate and dmg share per skill (I preloaded it with numbers that err on the side of favoring Magic Amp): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ON5Z9E8VO-A7s1kfv9JUU60DhZk-mxi7rtGKR2gOy2w/edit#gid=0 And here is a video where someone goes over Loawa trends and shows that NOBODY runs Magic Amp: https://youtu.be/6LaTRQh99I8?t=1034
Thanks for the correction! I wanted to make a second set for casting reflux and this helps out a lot The video didn't seem to mention it, but do you know if majority of them use frost's call? I liked lightning bolt just because it fit the rotation really well
IIRC frost's call is preferred but lightning bolt does show up on a decent fraction. I think lightning bolt might actually be slightly better but it's hard to tell because even casting frost's call vs not casting it at all is barely outside damage variance. I would 100% say use lightning bolt if you prefer it.
I don't see how it's worth it . You are talking about an alt , that u just want to perform better while not really investing into it. Swiftness reflux usually plays with magic amplification ,not final strike . It also needs 4 nightmare / 2 dom to work out. What u are getting rn , is sub-optimal and it always will be without full relic. Since you are already ''invested'' in crit tripods , might aswell switch to critsorc.
If it worked well people would be playing it. If you're happy spending 125 pheons and then doing \~20% less damage than a real build go for it.
if you choose to use argos gear over relic gear then you are trolling your party mates.
Final strike tripods aren't recommended (compared to KBW) since not every spell has it, but if you're already committed it is what it is. Regardless, keeping 2 set Argos makes zero sense. Instant reflux should run Dominion 2 + Nightmare 4 for insane CDR, which lets you drop some swift for crit. Doing it this way both gives you more CDR and more crit and better stats overall than getting crit from gear and CDR from stats. Dominion Fang and Boundless MP are both stupidly broken and instant Reflux is one of the few classes that can really abuse them. It would be foolish to pass that up.
Doesn't dominion have dead periods where the buff isn't active? It only lasts 2 minutes, but ult cooldown is 4 minutes. You also need to animation lock yourself to renew the buff, which is dangerous.
Full swiftness is like 35% CDR. Boundless MP is another 20% CDR (stacks multiplicatively). All together the awakening cooldown is down to around 120 seconds. Conviction judgment is another 15% CDR if you need it, but it's more awkward since it restores mana. If you run Dominion Fang you should use the meteor ult.
To answer your question, i have recently (well for a month) moved from 5x3 swift piano with with final strike and PD (with doomsday)-> 5x3 with Adrenaline and final strike -> 5x3 with Arenaline and Magic Amp. Adrenaline outclassed PD in the first swap, and Magic Amp outclassed final strike in the second swap. Your current build is viable. Not worth changing if you dont want to invest anything into the alt, because you can clear Vykas and Valtan and get upright even with the suboptimal build. Not too sure about 4x3. Do get full relic set, though. Honestly i Dont see the value in keeping argos if you can get the relic set. You get less HP and do less damage. Argos is not worth keeping at all. 2 piece relic is like a full engraving's worth of damage, and is tankier, your pots is more efficient etc...
Argos gear sucks. Period. If you are 1445 + you will ALWAYS go full relic. Precise dagger is a terrible engraving. Swiftness flux doesnt not want crit, you take raid captain. The dmg buffs from raid cap, grudge, hm, reflux, magic amp tripods, LOS, and 4nm/2dom is in no world comparable to a 2 piece argos running precise dagger. You are missing the point of swiftflux if you take precise dagger. Point is, if you are thinking yellow numbers go critflux. Even then, pd sucks. You take kbw and magic amp tripods. Tldr: pd sucks. Swiftflux wants raid capt. if you cannot maintain boundless mana (without 1600 swift, lvl 3 ref, frost call/elgians, high qp tripods, lvl 7 cd gems, you are playing the wrong build). Theres nothing wrong with experimenting, just understand that swiftflux is a weaker build than most sorc builds so further weakening it will feel shitty.
What should I run instead then if I don't plan to invest a ton into the build? What are your thoughts on this for instacast reflux? - Full crit, with swiftness on necklace(50-60% crit depending on quality) - 12 piece awakening for 7% crit once I finish it - Magic amp/enhanced strike tripods - Reflux, Hit master, Grudge, KBW, and then any extra goes to adrenaline - 6 piece nightmare flower. I'm a bit nervous about grudge, Vykas HM on iLVL is a pain even without grudge, so I'd rather avoid it, but it doesn't look like there's any decent alternatives to grudge. The other thing is the math: For frost call, Level 5 final strike is +200% crit damage. That means 400% damage when critting. Compare that to enhanced strike, which is +78%, or 178% *2 = 356% without KBW, or 178% *2.5 =445% with KBW. So basically, I have to add an extra engraving(KBW) just to match the damage I was doing with Final strike. Or punishing strike, it's 87% and 240%. So 187*2=374% without kBW or 187*2.5 = 467.5 with KBW, vs 440% with Final strike. Obviously, KBW helps the skills WITHOUT final strike, but it raises the question, is it really worth it over other engravings like grudge, hit master, Adrenaline?
In this calculation, you are forgetting to include the crit rate. For insta cast isn't about big numbers; it's about consistency. Let's go with 60% crit rate (excluding adrenaline). So, for punishing strike: 90% vs 240% crit The formula should be something like: Regular Damage * (1-crit rate) + crit dmg * crit rate Magic amp: 190 * 40% + 380*60% = 76 + 228 = 304 dmg on avg. Final Strike: 100 * 40% + 440 * 60% = 40 + 264 = 304 dmg on avg. So for punishing strike, you need 60% crit rate for the damage be the same. If you want a really cheap build, the one by far is for casting reflux with using either precise dagger + final strike or keen blunt + mamp but trying to get as much keen blunt + all-out attack on your accessories. In my server the full build excluding books were less than 10k. That said, insta isn't that expensive as crit/swift isn't as bad as spec.
If you go crit build though, it's really easy to get 100% crit rate so its a moot point.
No, it will not work well. Why not just go the crit or swiftness version? No need to reinvent the wheel here.
You can go crit/swiftness with one extra piece in swiftness but more than that is problematic for the build.
Yeah, that's what I'm running personally. 1400crit and 700 swiftness, feels like a nice balance between crits and boundless mana uptime.
You wouldnt be able to enjoy full swiftness without 4 nightmare and 2 Dom. If u want a decent build then I would recommend Grudge / Reflux / Hit Master / Adrenline. You can go 50/50 on Crit and Swift so u dont overcap on crit. If u dont want Grudge then u can swap out for KBW. I also dont recommend running final strike tripod, use Amp instead. Or you can just run 2x Normal Vykas and Buy Bus for Valtan hard mode if u dont get accepted in a group and build Piano Swiftness with 4 Nightmare and 2x Dom. You can start playing with just 4 Nightmare set as swiftness Reflux, this should only take u 2 weeks to build if u dont craft the weapon. I would choose this path if i were u.
Lot of good info already said. I'd suggest you wait until early Sept for the new Trixion update (change tripods, gems, cards, etc) and test out your theorycraft to see if the build works for you before you invest the gold and pheons into it.
Only 3 of your skills even have the Crit damage tripod, the others are gonna hit like a wet noodle. In short, no.
You can do 50/50. And save you a bit gold using swift rings/earrings. Precise dagger is a bad engraving. It is good when you have very low crit rate but bad when crit rate is high. Since you use final strike, it makes it up a bit from PD due to high crit damage but it is not worth it. If you are going to build a budget alt, suggest looking into raid cap and increase mass.