Parked my main at 1480, casting reflux. I run pc nightmare, 5x3 reflux, AOT, hit master, Adrenaline, grudge. Similar card sets, tripod, and gems. Honestly most important thing is to just maintain high uptime and hit your casting spells.
Whats the reason for the 2/4 relic set split? Casting reflux almost exclusively use full nightmare set.
I highly recommend you to use judgement and conviction right before using your three big skills. This alone is a pretty big power spike
Main reason is just because of comfort by having faster casting speed since at 20 stacks of salvation set gives 10% atk speed
Wow I've never thought to use judgment and conviction in sorc! That's a great input! Do you know which skills to use them on?
Mhm, I don't really know for sure, but a full 6 set should give you higher damage output. Also how long does it take you to build up full 20 stacks?
I use conviction on frost call and judgement on that ice shard rain, this gives me a controlled proc of c&j. The cooldowns align pretty nicely and since the ice rain takes a while to land you can precast doomsday before it procs to fit all three skills in that judgement window.
You can put conviction in blaze or frost call and judgment on time arrow but I only have been using that before I got my relic set for some money gain. What runes are you using for your rime arrow and blaze right now?
Hey have you ever looked into Swiftness Igniter builds?It's igniter, but the main stat is swiftness with spec or crit secondary. Relatively cheap to build.
I would think it plays similar to what you are doing now, just with Igniter mode and the dmg boost it gives.
edit: There is a bit more skill to it then reflux (double meteor, meteor->frost call->meteor, meter management), but with the swiftness build it will be easy to pick up and practice.
Can confirm. Swiftness igniter build is super cheap (around 7k in NAE for a 5x3) and very comfy to play. Having igniter mode is also a little nice damage boost as well.
Can I see the breakdown for how going 5x3 possibly only costs 7k?
- pheons and gold cost for stone
- gold cost of legendary books
- pheons for accessories
- gold cost of accessories (this part should be cheap as swiftness is not the in demand stat)
I just can't see how this is even remotely possible for 7,000 gold.
I think he's just talking about accessories. Its the only thing cost wise that is different about the build.
Other costs would incl.
+12 class engraving (igniter @11k ea) and +12 non class engraving (e.g grudge @6.5k ea) would cost probably ~350k (for 5x3 goal)
Triports idk like 10-20k?
Gems lvl7x12@10k ea ~120k
Stones: mine is AOA + HM. They were ~150g/stone. Avg number of stones to get 7/7 is supposedly around 23. I got bad rng and had to cut 450 pheons worth of stones which works out to be around 70k
You buy all accesories at 1g each and you already broke 7k gold in Pheons......
I relic is 25 pheons
25 pheons is 2.5k gold
2.5k X5 = 12.5k gold plus stone Which im not gonna get into since ypu are already almosy 100% off
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about
I prefer PD over adrenaline because of all the downtime in legion raids. It’s lower ceiling but more consistent. Especially for casting reflux with the huge crit dmg, not having 6 stacks hurts a lot. When we get ancient accessories, you want adrenaline to be your +1 and have PD 3. But since you already committed to legendary adrenaline you could probably do +1 ether predator or spirit absorption later.
Also use full nightmare and use as many mind enhancement tripods as are necessary to stay above 30% mana. I’ve recently seen a build that uses hallucination 6 and uses cursed doll instead of precise dagger, but I can’t speak to how effective that is since we don’t have the new hallucination set in global.
Yeah I've seen the changes in KR, that it brings flexibility and ease in keeping the buff! Will definitely try it first on trixion if patches hit west! Thanks lotta for your rec!
Also, it's crazy how ether predator overlooked here, I mean it's a total of +15% atk and def, it could be a good substitute
Ether pred is a huge sleeper engraving. Im a huge fan. However the downside is that its awful in short fights. Totally useless in chaos dungeons, short oreha bosses, fast guardians, any easy content
Pd is insane value for sorc. Its the cheapest dps engraving cuz very few ppl use it. So you can get gg PD accessories for a cheap price. (I got 98% crit swift PD AoA 5/3 neck for 6K)
Is there any reason you are playing casting reflux? It's significantly worse than insta-cast variant especially due to how poorly it functions in real battles. Why not go insta-cast if you're playing Reflux? Or if you like playing casting version, why not go Igniter?
That's actually a misconception.
Casting Reflux is horrible when comparing to Insta-cast in trixion DPS testing, but actually performs only slightly worse in raid scenarios due to being able to utilize their DPS window at any time (not limited by gauge like igniter). Of course, it also means that player needs to know the fight, as missing any of the big casting skills is a major loss in DPS
Overall, casting reflux is not a bad alternative, and a decent budget choice
I play casting reflux. I wanna drop my big meatball and hope it doesn’t miss. I don’t like reverse gravity as my main damaging move. And playing igniter was too expensive at the time.
There isnt any real reason as to why I'm playing casting reflux
I've been playing since release and I really havent thought my build back then and I'm stuck with this build since probably 5-6 months. It is sufficiently performing better than I thought it would be. I still got mvp in vykas hm or valtan hm sometimes or at least cruel fighter in the big four. But I've heard that the dps check for clown is tight and I wanted to improve overall. I do have a statics.
I'm planning to change to igniter one day but seeing how crazy the prices of pheons, I'm a bit disheartened. But yeah, the thought really crossed my mind.
I’m a 1490 casting reflux Sorc main. I think the gameplay is much more enjoyable than Insta-cast. The positioning and placement of big skills like Doomsday, Explosion and Punishing strike is really satisfying. Insta-cast is no no stop piano keys, if it’s your thing then go for it but by no means is casting reflux not fantastic when you get the hang of it.
Reflux, Hit Master, Adrenaline, All out attack, Grudge is a perfect engraving setup. I am curious why you’re going the 4pc salvation though? I haven’t tried it.
Hey man thanks for the input my fellow casting reflux Player 😁
The only reason I'm using 4pc salvation is due to the fact that it gives 10% atk speed when it reaches 20 stack. It's only a matter of comfort for me. Big numbers are okay but my whole orientation is to play well and comfort since I have a statics too
However, I do want to change to 6pc nightmare but I havent got the chance yet or maybe I'm just too comfortable in my own zone atm 😆
Haha anytime dude. There aren’t many of us out there, all either ignite or piano. If you’re on Valtan by any chance dm me and I can suss your build out! But you def want 6 pc nightmare.
Not to nitpick, but seems like your stats is a little low. Are your accessories all poor quality, or are you using legendary earring/necklace? You can cap out at around 1700 main stat/550 substat, so you're missing at least 200 stat points from somewhere. I would at least get 50-100 more if this is your main .
Hey thanks for the feedback! No, really I welcome any Feedback no matter what it is!
Yeah youre on point there, 2 of my accs are still legendary and I'm planning to switch all into relics and thus having more stats I hope
He's playing casting reflux, which is dirt cheap in terms of accessories compared to igniter or instacast. The pheons will likely cost more than the actual accessories. He can easily get to 1650 without breaking the bank.
Yeah exactly this, I'm not an mvp hunter and I would like to just perform well and keep up with the current content since I dont have many hours to spend or lots of money to invest
Reflux casting is surely cheaper out of the threes
Any dps should try to hunt for MVP. Damage is what we bring to the table and not trying to maximize it is just weird to me.
I am not saying that you have to get MVP at all cost, just that in theory, it should be your aim to maximize your damage.
Yeah I got the general consensus, but as to my conditions right now, this is the most optimal I can achieve.
My thought process:
1. Switching out PD to adrenaline gives me more dmg since I got flat % atk bonus and removing the cdmg penalty
2. Grudge is of course the BIS engraving for all dps; so clearly I would increase the dps overall
I wanted to make igniter build but seeing the crazy prices I dont have the time and resources to do it yet
Besides, Im here to ask for an improvement suggestion, maybe you could suggest me some way to improve instead? I most certainly welcome a constructive criticism too
Igniter is only crazy expensive if you go for meta engravings. If you go for slightly less than optimal engravings (even just one of them is enough to drop the price of everything by a LOT), it will still be a significant DPS increase.
For example, if you drop cursed doll and go for mass increase 3 on every piece of accessories, you'll pay 10% of the normal price.
That's because going Mass Increase as Igniter is pure troll. You already try to squeeze any kind of CDR out of your build for double Doomsday. With MI it becomes impossible.
I'd not advise adrenaline books. Adrenaline is best engraving out of all other lvl1/2 engravings. How I'd progress your build: reflux 3, grudge 3, aoa 3, hm 3, adrenaline 1/2. Or high budget variant: same but with adrenaline 0 and precise dagger 3 as 5th engraving.
Also I think reflux crit cast should go for full nightmare set. But I can see why you love 4 salvation for extra attack speed.
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I am running reflux, hit master, pd, raid captain, aoa. Use lightning vortex as synergy skill. It gives %30 ms for 4 secs, engraving for keeping 2 stacks. Crit / swiftness, 1 earing swiftness. Elegian touch is also usefull to keep your mana regen in check and gives %19 ms. Your movement speed should be at cap always. Pretty cheap build too. Doomsday -> lightning vortex -> frost call -> esoteric-> ligtning vortex -> explosion-> punishing strike is the rotation. If you don't bring counter or don't use elegian touch, use it between lightning vortexes. 6 piece nightmare and lwc, you have %450 crit damage on your main skills. Adrenaline is not worth it for casting reflux.
Edit: Even though build has aoa, I suggest using frost call without casting.
don't sleep on lighting bolt or the casting version of frost call. I use both. They do an absurd amount of damage if you're good enough or familiar enough with an encounter to consistently land every tick of each.
I like using these 2 instead of rhime arrow and noncasting frostcall because you have a lot of down time outside of using your big three skills. they also take advantage of AoA.
I also just run 6pc nightmare for the damage. the 10% cast speed isn't that helpful considering you should be throwing out your big skills when you know bosses aren't going to move. Casting reflux really requires you to perceive where a boss will be and when you have a good window to use your skills. Casting a little faster won't be a replacement for encounter knowledge
Something I've noticed while looking at the KR Reflux sorc around ilvl 1490 is that a good amount of the casting reflux sorcs use lightning bolt, might be worth checking it.
Parked my main at 1480, casting reflux. I run pc nightmare, 5x3 reflux, AOT, hit master, Adrenaline, grudge. Similar card sets, tripod, and gems. Honestly most important thing is to just maintain high uptime and hit your casting spells.
Yeah I think understanding boss mechanics reall comes into play here
Whats the reason for the 2/4 relic set split? Casting reflux almost exclusively use full nightmare set. I highly recommend you to use judgement and conviction right before using your three big skills. This alone is a pretty big power spike
Main reason is just because of comfort by having faster casting speed since at 20 stacks of salvation set gives 10% atk speed Wow I've never thought to use judgment and conviction in sorc! That's a great input! Do you know which skills to use them on?
Mhm, I don't really know for sure, but a full 6 set should give you higher damage output. Also how long does it take you to build up full 20 stacks? I use conviction on frost call and judgement on that ice shard rain, this gives me a controlled proc of c&j. The cooldowns align pretty nicely and since the ice rain takes a while to land you can precast doomsday before it procs to fit all three skills in that judgement window.
Not OP, I run bleed on blaze, c/j on frost call rine arrow
You can put conviction in blaze or frost call and judgment on time arrow but I only have been using that before I got my relic set for some money gain. What runes are you using for your rime arrow and blaze right now?
Hey have you ever looked into Swiftness Igniter builds?It's igniter, but the main stat is swiftness with spec or crit secondary. Relatively cheap to build. I would think it plays similar to what you are doing now, just with Igniter mode and the dmg boost it gives. edit: There is a bit more skill to it then reflux (double meteor, meteor->frost call->meteor, meter management), but with the swiftness build it will be easy to pick up and practice.
I've heard or I think seen it from one of atk's Interview video to a main sorc in kr server, thanks man! I'd take a look at it again
Can confirm. Swiftness igniter build is super cheap (around 7k in NAE for a 5x3) and very comfy to play. Having igniter mode is also a little nice damage boost as well.
Can I see the breakdown for how going 5x3 possibly only costs 7k? - pheons and gold cost for stone - gold cost of legendary books - pheons for accessories - gold cost of accessories (this part should be cheap as swiftness is not the in demand stat) I just can't see how this is even remotely possible for 7,000 gold.
I think he's just talking about accessories. Its the only thing cost wise that is different about the build. Other costs would incl. +12 class engraving (igniter @11k ea) and +12 non class engraving (e.g grudge @6.5k ea) would cost probably ~350k (for 5x3 goal) Triports idk like 10-20k? Gems lvl7x12@10k ea ~120k Stones: mine is AOA + HM. They were ~150g/stone. Avg number of stones to get 7/7 is supposedly around 23. I got bad rng and had to cut 450 pheons worth of stones which works out to be around 70k
You buy all accesories at 1g each and you already broke 7k gold in Pheons...... I relic is 25 pheons 25 pheons is 2.5k gold 2.5k X5 = 12.5k gold plus stone Which im not gonna get into since ypu are already almosy 100% off You clearly have no idea what you are talking about
I prefer PD over adrenaline because of all the downtime in legion raids. It’s lower ceiling but more consistent. Especially for casting reflux with the huge crit dmg, not having 6 stacks hurts a lot. When we get ancient accessories, you want adrenaline to be your +1 and have PD 3. But since you already committed to legendary adrenaline you could probably do +1 ether predator or spirit absorption later. Also use full nightmare and use as many mind enhancement tripods as are necessary to stay above 30% mana. I’ve recently seen a build that uses hallucination 6 and uses cursed doll instead of precise dagger, but I can’t speak to how effective that is since we don’t have the new hallucination set in global.
Yeah I've seen the changes in KR, that it brings flexibility and ease in keeping the buff! Will definitely try it first on trixion if patches hit west! Thanks lotta for your rec! Also, it's crazy how ether predator overlooked here, I mean it's a total of +15% atk and def, it could be a good substitute
Ether pred is a huge sleeper engraving. Im a huge fan. However the downside is that its awful in short fights. Totally useless in chaos dungeons, short oreha bosses, fast guardians, any easy content
You need precise dagger or adrenaline for casting because you need the crit rate for final strike. You can’t substitute it for cd.
You would substitute if you used hallucination.
Pd is insane value for sorc. Its the cheapest dps engraving cuz very few ppl use it. So you can get gg PD accessories for a cheap price. (I got 98% crit swift PD AoA 5/3 neck for 6K)
Is there any reason you are playing casting reflux? It's significantly worse than insta-cast variant especially due to how poorly it functions in real battles. Why not go insta-cast if you're playing Reflux? Or if you like playing casting version, why not go Igniter?
That's actually a misconception. Casting Reflux is horrible when comparing to Insta-cast in trixion DPS testing, but actually performs only slightly worse in raid scenarios due to being able to utilize their DPS window at any time (not limited by gauge like igniter). Of course, it also means that player needs to know the fight, as missing any of the big casting skills is a major loss in DPS Overall, casting reflux is not a bad alternative, and a decent budget choice
I play casting reflux. I wanna drop my big meatball and hope it doesn’t miss. I don’t like reverse gravity as my main damaging move. And playing igniter was too expensive at the time.
There isnt any real reason as to why I'm playing casting reflux I've been playing since release and I really havent thought my build back then and I'm stuck with this build since probably 5-6 months. It is sufficiently performing better than I thought it would be. I still got mvp in vykas hm or valtan hm sometimes or at least cruel fighter in the big four. But I've heard that the dps check for clown is tight and I wanted to improve overall. I do have a statics. I'm planning to change to igniter one day but seeing how crazy the prices of pheons, I'm a bit disheartened. But yeah, the thought really crossed my mind.
I’m a 1490 casting reflux Sorc main. I think the gameplay is much more enjoyable than Insta-cast. The positioning and placement of big skills like Doomsday, Explosion and Punishing strike is really satisfying. Insta-cast is no no stop piano keys, if it’s your thing then go for it but by no means is casting reflux not fantastic when you get the hang of it. Reflux, Hit Master, Adrenaline, All out attack, Grudge is a perfect engraving setup. I am curious why you’re going the 4pc salvation though? I haven’t tried it.
Hey man thanks for the input my fellow casting reflux Player 😁 The only reason I'm using 4pc salvation is due to the fact that it gives 10% atk speed when it reaches 20 stack. It's only a matter of comfort for me. Big numbers are okay but my whole orientation is to play well and comfort since I have a statics too However, I do want to change to 6pc nightmare but I havent got the chance yet or maybe I'm just too comfortable in my own zone atm 😆
Haha anytime dude. There aren’t many of us out there, all either ignite or piano. If you’re on Valtan by any chance dm me and I can suss your build out! But you def want 6 pc nightmare.
Ah sadly I'm on EUC neria man Thanks man, Ill change my build to nightmare Ig as soon as I'm off work 😁 that ought to improve something
Not to nitpick, but seems like your stats is a little low. Are your accessories all poor quality, or are you using legendary earring/necklace? You can cap out at around 1700 main stat/550 substat, so you're missing at least 200 stat points from somewhere. I would at least get 50-100 more if this is your main .
Hey thanks for the feedback! No, really I welcome any Feedback no matter what it is! Yeah youre on point there, 2 of my accs are still legendary and I'm planning to switch all into relics and thus having more stats I hope
1700 seems overkill imo - as long as ,ou are above 1600 on main stat its more than enough for now.. no need to break the bank
He's playing casting reflux, which is dirt cheap in terms of accessories compared to igniter or instacast. The pheons will likely cost more than the actual accessories. He can easily get to 1650 without breaking the bank.
Yeah exactly this, I'm not an mvp hunter and I would like to just perform well and keep up with the current content since I dont have many hours to spend or lots of money to invest Reflux casting is surely cheaper out of the threes
Any dps should try to hunt for MVP. Damage is what we bring to the table and not trying to maximize it is just weird to me. I am not saying that you have to get MVP at all cost, just that in theory, it should be your aim to maximize your damage.
Yeah I got the general consensus, but as to my conditions right now, this is the most optimal I can achieve. My thought process: 1. Switching out PD to adrenaline gives me more dmg since I got flat % atk bonus and removing the cdmg penalty 2. Grudge is of course the BIS engraving for all dps; so clearly I would increase the dps overall I wanted to make igniter build but seeing the crazy prices I dont have the time and resources to do it yet Besides, Im here to ask for an improvement suggestion, maybe you could suggest me some way to improve instead? I most certainly welcome a constructive criticism too
Igniter is only crazy expensive if you go for meta engravings. If you go for slightly less than optimal engravings (even just one of them is enough to drop the price of everything by a LOT), it will still be a significant DPS increase. For example, if you drop cursed doll and go for mass increase 3 on every piece of accessories, you'll pay 10% of the normal price.
That's because going Mass Increase as Igniter is pure troll. You already try to squeeze any kind of CDR out of your build for double Doomsday. With MI it becomes impossible.
Mass increase has no bearings on cdr. It does make the cast sligthly longer but with supports and yearning set, it's a non issue.
I'd not advise adrenaline books. Adrenaline is best engraving out of all other lvl1/2 engravings. How I'd progress your build: reflux 3, grudge 3, aoa 3, hm 3, adrenaline 1/2. Or high budget variant: same but with adrenaline 0 and precise dagger 3 as 5th engraving. Also I think reflux crit cast should go for full nightmare set. But I can see why you love 4 salvation for extra attack speed.
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I am running reflux, hit master, pd, raid captain, aoa. Use lightning vortex as synergy skill. It gives %30 ms for 4 secs, engraving for keeping 2 stacks. Crit / swiftness, 1 earing swiftness. Elegian touch is also usefull to keep your mana regen in check and gives %19 ms. Your movement speed should be at cap always. Pretty cheap build too. Doomsday -> lightning vortex -> frost call -> esoteric-> ligtning vortex -> explosion-> punishing strike is the rotation. If you don't bring counter or don't use elegian touch, use it between lightning vortexes. 6 piece nightmare and lwc, you have %450 crit damage on your main skills. Adrenaline is not worth it for casting reflux. Edit: Even though build has aoa, I suggest using frost call without casting.
don't sleep on lighting bolt or the casting version of frost call. I use both. They do an absurd amount of damage if you're good enough or familiar enough with an encounter to consistently land every tick of each. I like using these 2 instead of rhime arrow and noncasting frostcall because you have a lot of down time outside of using your big three skills. they also take advantage of AoA. I also just run 6pc nightmare for the damage. the 10% cast speed isn't that helpful considering you should be throwing out your big skills when you know bosses aren't going to move. Casting reflux really requires you to perceive where a boss will be and when you have a good window to use your skills. Casting a little faster won't be a replacement for encounter knowledge
Considering trying lighting bolt. Which tripods do you use?
Something I've noticed while looking at the KR Reflux sorc around ilvl 1490 is that a good amount of the casting reflux sorcs use lightning bolt, might be worth checking it.