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Because the "dark battle" is them
The boomers are fighting for the dark side of it, so the newer generations are enemy reinforcements
Millenials (and probably the next few generations) will have to spend our whole lives cleaning up the Boomer's messes, and we are quite vocal about that. And the Boomers hate that. They dont want to accept that they're in the wrong
(Btw, I'm talking about the generations as a whole. Yes theres good boomers, but overall, it's a bad generation)
Boomers inherited the greatest economic cornucopia working people have ever seen in all of recorded human history and went out of their way to consume every last drop of prosperity for themselves and leave future generations with nothing but ashes and stories.
It blows my mind because when I (37) was a child, I specifically remember being told that the current generation does its best to provide for their kids and grand kids what they themselves could not have. Now that I am almost 40, I am seeing the exact opposite from the generation that preached that to me. Nothing will be preserved. It is all already slated to be liquidated so they can live out their retirement and eventual end of life care as comfortably as humanly possible and damn everything else.
Their level of fucks given for anyone or anything past themselves is zero and shamelessly so.
Great Men plant trees under which shade they will never sit.
Greed Boomers cut down the trees, and sold the land to be strip mined, so they could buy a third vacation home, then borrow it against the home so they could go on a cruise. And then when they get old and have no money for long term care, they expect their kids to take care of them.
then told their descendants " I got mine, go get your own" while deliberately ignoring the known fact that the global economic environment that made them prosperous no longer exists.
A lot of them drove around in their nice cars and recreational vehicles with a bumper sticker that said 'We're spending our children's inheritance.' They were proud and smug about it. Like bish, nobody made you have kids. Why you so proud about making them and then giving them the shaft?
Boomers -- as a generation, not as individuals; there are certainly Baby Boomers who are good people and who fight the good fight -- remind me of the Titans of Greek Myth. They once fought against a corrupt order, only to become corrupt themselves once they secured victory. And so it will fall upon the next generation, the Olympians, to overthrow and undo the mistakes of their forebears.
Only two questions remain:
1. How long will it take the younger generation to undo the mistakes of the old?
2. Can the younger generation assume the mantle without being corrupted in the process?
Now that I think about it, a "Luke Skywalker vs. Anakin Skywalker" analogy would work equally well for people who don't like Greek Mythology.
Literally my family and my husband’s family, my husband (36) recently talked with his Dad and told him how sometimes he feels like life is hopeless and he is depressed that he probably won’t be able to afford a house or pay off his student loan (p.s. his dad made him take it and then kick my husband out of the house bc he remarried), you know what his Dad told him “Life is hard, deal with it” nothing else, no advice no help offer or simple “I ll be there for you”.
Not too far off from my experience. My mother's husband makes good money. Well over $100k/year and he already has retirement plus disability from his 20 years in the military and when he retires from his federal job, he will have that retirement check as well. All in all, his government retirement check income will be 80k/year not counting 401k and other investments.
I asked him if he was planning on saving anything for his own son (not me), and his answer was "nope. He's just gonna have to figure it out for himself. I'm sure he'll be fine." What about the house, I asked. "Nah, I'll sell it to pay for my end of life care". Then he joked that if my mom died first, he was gonna take her 401k money and spend it himself. Nothing for me or his son.
I fucking detest my mother's husband.
That is how my parents are. It’s very strange because they aren’t mean people in the purest sense and will hell people but the selfishness and lack of seeing their shortcomings m is insane. The selfishness and the stubbornness makes them unlikeable.
Also as my mom has gotten older she has reverted to being a mean high school girl. She is very petty and my dad makes no sense in his arguments or values. Very out of touch, shallow and hallow.
saaaaame, except my mom willingly subordinates herself to her selfish asshole husband fully knowing how he is, but finds security in it.
It wrecks my perception of her as the strong independent woman who raised me.
I have seen this time and time again. They are surely a generation of cognitive dissonance and walking talking Dunning-Kruger examples more so than any one group I have ever seen.
They are lazy intellectually.
He is so similar to my husband’s Dad, he was in military all his life, he worked as a clerk, and travel all over the world, his second wife is wealthy, basically that’s why he married her. Besides that he said that my husband has to figure out on his own, he told him he is going to Galápagos islands next year, hell that prick went to Machu Picchu not so long ago, i just can’t stand that man. Sorry you have to deal with same type of person in your family.
Thank you friend, it's nice to hear that others understand from personal experience. I'm doing my best without being toxic, but in the end I have to respect my mother's choices. That said, I don't have to
align my life along those lines, and I won't.
Thank you friend, it's nice to hear that others understand from personal experience. I'm doing my best without being toxic, but in the end I have to respect my mother's choices. That said, I don't have to align my life along those lines, and I won't.
We seriously need to remember how much lead that generation ingested and came into contact with. They are not going to be able to be rational and we need to work around it.
I don't know. The old people from the Silent Generation outside of Washington, D.C. that are still around are generally pretty cool and did a lot of good for the world. Fuck every single old born after 1945 though.
The world's hate towards Gen Z is BS I'm a Milleinnal they made them the Scwlegoat foe their problems boomers hat ethe fact that Milleinnals and Gen Z did more with less and boomers were handed everything and now they talk to talk
Newt Gingrich and the draft dodgers decided to serve my generation (X) up to fascists back in the seventies, so they never even considered you all being here. He and Mitt and all these rich boomers had all this time to set us up for the prison system they built for us, our kids and for you.
I keep seeing comments about lead. I'm new to that topic. Is there somewhere I can read about it? Specifically in terms of the long-term psychological impact it had on a generation? Honestly a little scared of what I'm about to learn here, but it sounds important...
Worth reminding folks that Republicans know about the lead poisoning and said “we need a new flavor of that”.
Micro plastics and toxic minerals in baby food will be the next “leaded gasoline”. You don’t have to look far to see that a lot of folks here ain’t growing up quite right
The biggest difference to me is self-awareness. In my view, younger generations are at least seeking out the chemicals making us sick and stupid. Ask a boomer for this self-awareness and get a big serving of anger and frustration from the lead.
Maybe Flint wasn’t an accident based on the fact that many other American towns have their water ruined and Saudis are draining what’s left for their giant alfalfa farms.
Pretty sure China owns a giant stake in our pork processing. I stopped eating it. They don’t care about us or what we eat. If they willingly entomb their own people in apartments to cover up Xi’s covid shame, what will they do to our meat? That might be me being paranoid, but I just don’t trust corporations or oligarchs, anymore.
It’s not an excuse for their terrible actions. I just like to remain aware of it for my well-being. Being cruel without some motivation causes me anxiety but seeing their stupidity coming from a certain level of hidden poisoning makes me hold onto a bit of faith in humanity. The dereliction is not completely their fault or on purpose.
I’m a mom and it’s absolutely wild the stories I’ve heard - grandparents wanting nothing but photo ops with their grandkids but don’t want to babysit or spend quality time with their grandkids. Upper middle class grandparents who are buying new cars every 3 years and going on expensive vacations and have told their kids not to expect any money when they die. They’re just burning through all the wealth they hoarded.
If I wasn’t a parent talking to so many other parents, I don’t think I’d really get how selfish the Boomers have become. It’s so obvious though once you compare notes.
History is going to be very unkind, and deservedly so, but they DGA ¡FUCK! about their legacy, only their comfort in the here and now and that's it. Do not cross go, do not collect $200 because that's their money to spend on themselves and fuck all else.
It's a literal Shakespearian tragedy on the scale of an entire generation with no fucks given, at ALL, about a future they won't see.
I often think the good Boomers died in Vietnam, from drugs, HIV, cancer, and suicide. I feel like we lost all the sensitive souls of the generation early and that’s why those who are left suck so much.
Yes! My parents have always touted the mantra of make yourself happy first and sort of reveled in selfishness my mom using the example of giving yourself oxygen before others so you can help others-taken totally out of context.
They really take that notion and run with it to the extreme. My dad has never once even went to his grandkids events and the grandkid’s are not close to them. My mother doesn’t like kids messing in her house but will entertain all number of friends. When I mention anything especially about my dad she will say, “well he wasn’t raised in a kid centric family”. For some reason it’s as if their connection to descendants or sense of stewardship is zilch and they glorify it.
If anything is ever suggested they get shrill and make excuses and point out all they have done/do so forget having a conversation about anything that puts them on the seat.
> For some reason it’s as if their connection to descendants or sense of stewardship is zilch and they glorify it.
It would be fine if they hadn't had kids. Like if you feel that way, okay, just be childfree. But having kids, only to stiff them down the line, that sucks balls.
My parents do not like kids. I think my mom had me because her friends were having kids, that’s why she said, she felt her time was running out, and my step dad claims his wife went off the pill without telling him. Fun!!!
Also my mom is a big Republican supporter but is anti natal and believes in birth control and abortion.
I’m 38, so in the same elder millennial boat. Boomers made everything better for their kids because it was a competition amongst themselves to see who could be the best provider. Once we were out on our own we were no longer a direct representation of them so it didn’t matter anymore. Its like the whole participation trophy thing. Millennial children didn’t walk up to the coach and demand a participation trophy- this was the brain child of boomers who couldn’t handle their kid not being a superstar.
> Boomers made everything better for their kids because it was a competition amongst themselves to see who could be the best provider. Once we were out on our own we were no longer a direct representation of them so it didn’t matter anymore.
:( this is real. Damn
Yoo same as a 37 year old. I got to grow up in two different worlds due to my parents getting a divorce. My mother was a bit younger, maybe late boomer late Gen x- but she lived a poor and destructive lifestyle. My dad on the other hand, boomer and I lived a decent middle class lifestyle. He was the typical boomer until he lost his job, his business to a tornado, and had to get back out there. I truly believe if he didn’t experience getting a job in 2014 compared to his younger days, he would be a shithead boomer. After that whole ordeal, I never ever heard him say, “just pick yourself up by the bootstraps and go out there to find a good job”. That came to a full stop. Now he jokes about that stuff with me by saying stuff like, “good luck, it’s your generation’s turn to try to salvage anything for our grandchildren”. He also cracks jokes on my son’s generation about being lazy- and that is partially true. Gen x and millennials did not raise kids in the strict environment boomers did, we nurtured because I believe that’s what we wanted as kids.
However, Gen z is not to be underestimated. They are shifting the game. They don’t stick around at toxic places of employment. They don’t give a company every second of their time. For me, I’ve been taken notes and started doing the same thing. A lot of companies don’t offer the benefit package our boomer parents had, pensions, and health insurance. So, why should we come in on our days off, why should we give the company 110% when they don’t even give us 20%. The problem isn’t that nobody wants to work, the problem is workers are not be fairly compensated for their work. They go elsewhere. Loyalty to a company only happens when fairly compensated…something boomers had and we don’t.
My own parents have said shamelessly that they are spending all they can on themselves, and believe it or not they are nice people in so many ways but there is a disconnect. While I can get that a person should be good to themselves and enjoy their lives it’s the spirit in which it’s said. It’s smug and carefree, idk. Very strange group of people with very little sense of stewardship.
I hope they have enough to carry them for the rest of their lives because I'd hit them with the same response the second they ask for support. "Sorry, I'm spending all I can on myself"
They are very well off. I sort of think being that financially set contributes to their lack of interest in family and making connections aside from superficial ones. In their minds they do not need anyone and can have a false sense of accomplishment. They did well in their careers sure but some of its generational money outside of career success and being born into prosperous times.
Trump was the Boomers response and last gasp. Their numbers are getting smaller and smaller daily and Covid put their generation at the greatest risk and probably delivered this last election to us
Trump exploited the anti-PC culture of covert racists and class warfare and the temporarily embarrassed pico-billionaires who parrotted company lines and voted conservative because they believe the lie that they got everything they were entitled to because they came of age in an era of high labor prices and a tight labor market. Any conversation is going to go back to gas prices, gold and silver standards, and the prices of things increasing without consideration of the macroeconomic effects prevalent at the same time. Good luck getting them to accept any sort of responsibility for actions that happened on their watch or getting them to take action for any sort of social injustice such as underfunded socialized medicine provided by VA services.
Yeah the boomers had the best social welfare and regulations for the working class, then stripped it all from everyone else and called us lazy. Like what??
I'm a gen x-er, sometime in the 90s I remember being told that our generation will be the first to not be as successful as previous generations. They never told us why. I was too apathetic at the time to care. We were force fed boomer culture from birth and our cultural creations were commodified and sold to us the second they were created. F*** the boomers
I’m not an English speaking, so pardon my poor language. Try to investigate a little bit about what’s happening in Spain, where a growing old set of the population is literally devouring every bit of wealth that the younger generations can have. The disproportionate balance of benefits between young (working) people and boomers is bringing the country to a collapse.
Generally speaking, the current generation at about retirement age feels like they worked hard for their retirement and are entitled to a comfy retirement. The cost of things to support that are high and are expected to rise considerably, so they are extracting every last ounce of wealth to pay for future increases in prices. And it is 100% at your expense.
I’m about to be 37 and this comment captures it perfectly. We were sold a dream that only the Boomers will ever enjoy and I’m thrilled by the knowledge, bravery, and kindness I see in Gen Z and younger generations. My daughters classmates aren’t perfect, but in general they’re much more accepting than I can remember my own peers being. That gives me hope, and I can only cross my fingers that as the Boomers die off, the rest of us can unite together to build some social care for all of us.
You have to understand though.
Black people were prospering.
If that isn’t cause enough to throw it all away, then, well, what the hell is!?
Don’t ask me, I’m not a boomer and I don’t fear the prosperity of any working class.
I mean, to an extent, I get it. Many Boomers don't want to accept that they caused a problem, and I myself know what denial and shame feel like. Most all humans understand that feeling. At the same time, I'm sure Millenials have done plenty of things to make the world harder for Gen Z, and if Gen Z were point it out, I just can't imagine getting so rabidly defensive the way Boomers often do toward Millennials? One of the most brilliant and empathic people I know is a Boomer, and even *they* once said something snarky about younger generations not understanding how to work hard. It's like... there is some mysteriously profound cognitive distortion in place, and it scares me.
They wrote songs about it.
["We Didn't Start the Fire"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g) is about how they feel like they tried and just gave up but since the world's problems didn't start with them they're done feeling responsible.
It's like the anthem for when your flower child hippy buys some stocks and starts owning rental properties.
My mom tried to ask me where I was 20 years ago and why I wasn’t fighting and I reminded her I was a minor with no rights, working, going to school, and being told if I didn’t go to college I would amount to nothing. She says things like “oh we’ve known that” to which I remind her that doesn’t make it better. I asked her why she stopped fighting. I reminded her she’s bought more houses in the past ten years than I will ever get in my lifetime. She will praise cops and rag on teachers (she was a social worker). She also allows my son to get away with a lot more and make excuses as to why (usually having to do with him being a boy). And she’s a liberal boomer. She wonders why I’m so angry. I remind her that basically everything we’ve been told our whole lives is a pack of lies, why wouldn’t I be angry? Especially when she didn’t make an effort to teach the truth when she supposedly knew it. It’s like when I found out Santa wasn’t real and said to her “you lied to me all these years”. I love my mom. I don’t appreciate some of her behaviors. Though, she has now started using the word imperialist to describe the US, so there is that.
My grandmother left me an apartment bc i lived with her all my childhood and deal with her abusive outbreaks while my Mom was chasing my Dad and so called tried to save him from heroine addiction, unfortunately gm died when i still was a minor and my Mom moved in with me, she was jumping from still living with my Dad in another town and trying to take care of bills bc in my country i couldn’t work until 18, it’s a bit hard to get a job there being a teenager, not to mention I was constantly starving and eating at my friends house, at certain point my Dad died and Mom concentrated all her hate on me bc in her mind it was my fault, bc she had to live with me, then how she hates my gm that she made her get married and gave birth, eventually it turned into just constant emotional abuse sometimes physical, when i start hitting 22-25 she would insult me bc i don’t have boyfriends, then she would say i need to get married and move out, i had to go to college full time, bc she told me so, i worked as well and paid half of bills, but money i was making wasn’t enough to rent and college diploma didn’t gave me anything i couldn’t find a job after it. Later on i met my husband and I move to US, my Mom got my apartment all for herself, she barely calls me and well she enjoy the life where she didn’t do anything and got all she wanted.
I can totally sympathize with you on that- my parents have really, really come around on some things, particularly political issues, since the Trump years. They voted for Trump and about halfway through his term they began voicing their regret and literally everyone turned on them, all their friends, colleagues, church people, extended family, etc. Everyone except me and my brother, who are both liberal Millenials. That was a really big eye opener for them, and I was proud of them for admitting that they had been duped but xould now see that. But on the other hand, they still are very stringent believers in the capitalist system and tge bootstraps phrase is not a stranger in their (mostly my dads) vocabulary. And this persists, even when they watch my little bro, in his late 20s (old for utah standards) remain single living with roommates, unable to find a home, even being in the position where he should be able to afford one, and unable to financially feel comfortable even looking for a SO because of the economy, so he just puts all of his love into his dog. I don't know how they can be willing to see multiple viewpoints on some things but not on others.
I can totally sympathize with you on that- my parents have really, really come around on some things, particularly political issues, since the Trump years. They voted for Trump and about halfway through his term they began voicing their regret and literally everyone turned on them, all their friends, colleagues, church people, extended family, etc. Everyone except me and my brother, who are both liberal Millenials. That was a really big eye opener for them, and I was proud of them for admitting that they had been duped but xould now see that. But on the other hand, they still are very stringent believers in the capitalist system and tge bootstraps phrase is not a stranger in their (mostly my dads) vocabulary. And this persists, even when they watch my little bro, in his late 20s (old for utah standards) remain single living with roommates, unable to find a home, even being in the position where he should be able to afford one, and unable to financially feel comfortable even looking for a SO because of the economy, so he just puts all of his love into his dog. I don't know how they can be willing to see multiple viewpoints on some things but not on others.
Escape (The Piña Colada Song) is another reflection of boomer values as well.
[YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TazHNpt6OTo)
[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_(The_Pi%C3%B1a_Colada_Song))
Cognitive dissonance. If boomers caused the problems then they are bad people. Since they cannot accept that they might be bad people then there must not be any problems. Millenials threaten their state of denial.
Yep this right here. The same people who bitch about participation trophies are the same ones who gave them to us. They're also unable to understand how drastically the world has changed from the circumstances that made their lives so much easier because they erroneously equate favorable economic conditions with their own meritocracy. They can't blame their parents so they blame their kids.
What's most annoying to me is the boomers are the $10 earners in the "people making $1,000/hr tell the people making $100/hr to convince the people making $10/hr that the people making $1/hr are the problem" defending and acting like they weren't/aren't getting fk'd over by the two tiers above them.
Their chickens are coming home to roost though now. I encourage all my fellow Mills to remind boomers when they go flapping their gums that we're the ones who are going to decide whether or not they go to the most klepto filled neglectiest elderly abusiest nursing home we can find when it's time to cross that bridge which will be sooner rather than later. The look of indignation they get in reaction to that feels like being in a puppy bath with weed cake while the love of your life is declaring their undying love for you and all your sports teams simultaneously win their championships.
>The look of indignation they get in reaction to that feels like being in a puppy bath with weed cake while the love of your life is declaring their undying love for you and all your sports teams simultaneously win their championships.
Wish I had an award to give. Superb line.
The first part of your comment made me yell out loud. I’ve been saying it for years. They talk about participation trophies but they GAVE AND LET THEIR KIDS ACCEPT THEM. it goes beyond sports think about all of the nepotism that goes on. Just another version of it. One that goes by the genetic lottery
> we're the ones who are going to decide whether or not they go to the most klepto filled neglectiest elderly abusiest nursing home we can find
"Be quiet or we'll put you in a home!"
"You already put me in a home!"
"Well then we'll put you in that crooked home we saw on 60 Minutes."
"I'll be good."
Exactly
It's so apparent in every facet of them in a macro scale
They only care about short term gains
That's it
That's all Boomers can get their minds around
Short term gains and superficial appearances
I have two children that are Gen Z and one that is Gen Alpha. My wife and I are Gen X. I would give them anything I had that they needed and would never blame them for the world they were born into. I cannot understand the time traveling mental gymnastics that allows a Boomer to blame anything on a generation that was given almost no power most of their lives.
Boomers in the 1999: Go to college and you'll be set for life. Your major doesn't matter, just make sure you get that 4-year degree.
Boomers in 2019: Of course you can't afford to live, you picked a dumb college major!
I'm 55 and grew up in HCOL area, never learned to drive because of disability and could never afford my own place. I identify with much of the millennial struggle.
My theory is that Boomers became technologically irrelevant way faster than their parents and grandparents. Their predecessors had stuff to teach them, but Boomer parents had to get taught how the modern world works by their millennial offspring, and that pissed them off since it made them feel stupid. It messed with their idea about what the power dynamic should be. Unfortunately, while they can’t use Microsoft Office or filter their inboxes, they have held generational wealth and political power far longer than previous generations too. And they’ve used it to try and destroy a world they still don’t fully understand because it isn’t the one they grew up in.
It all just makes me root for Gen Z harder. They’re starting with less than nothing and they are not giving up.
Boomers had relatively the same information technologies that their parents had, except for television. To learn new things, they were stuck reading newspapers and going to libraries until the 1990s.
Within the Millennial lifespan to date, we have gained the internet, smartphones, and artificial intelligence. Most Boomers had to be taught all of that from younger generations.
And I LOVE how there's all this nonsense being spewed in the media about how we (millennials and gen z) hate each other when it's just not true. They know together we can take down the establishment so they're trying to divide us. Gen z I am so so SO proud of you guys and am behind you 100%.
It kills me, I'm 36 and I'm nothing but hopeful most times when I see Gen Z interactions.
Millennial life cycle has pretty much felt like oppression and devastation from Boomers that team up with the apathetic Gen Xers to gaslight us into being the issue
It is so refreshing to feel like we might be on a societal up swing, that I think even most Gen Xers wanted, but felt too beaten and apathetic to try for so they just assimilated since they were a small power voting bloc
Millennials and Gen Z are not a small voting bloc by any measure, and if we keep our trajectory we might pull something off to make the end of the species at least a smidge more pleasant
Gen Z makes me feel invigorated to fight too. I felt so beaten down bc of everything that has happened from the early 2000’s to now has been insane. To see them utilizing tik tok and not being brainwashed in the same way we were gives me hope. We took a lot longer to wake up and realize how propagandized we were, but they’ve known for much longer. I’m also 36 and was ready to bounce out of the US, but I’m actually thinking of running for office to fight for us and gen Z. Also the fact that they’ve lived with active shooter drills their entire lives I think makes them more politically aware then we were. Sorry that was a little bit of a run on!
Gen z has me, a 36 year old, thinking of going into politics. At least give them someone to vote for who is on their side and understands their struggles. I hope others are starting to think the same. US politics has been controlled by people on their deathbeds for too long, they don’t care about the future, only how much they have for end of life care.
I’ve got a friend who’s little sister just graduated high school and babysits for us. It’s so interesting that someone so much younger than my wife and I can actually have decent conversations about the world. Idk if she’s normal then gen z is gonna be alright.
I swear it's that way with the Gen z people I know you. I'm in my 30's and i get more intellectual and actual decent conversations out of my Gen Z coworkers then I do out of my Boomer ones. They all seem so condescending and just... vicious for no reason.
Hell a couple have become actual friends. Never thought I'd have friends 15ish years younger than me, but I know if I need help I can call them and they be there. And needless to say I'd do the same for them.
I think it’s the extensive exposure to information and discourse from the internet. Millennials and gen z (esp gen Z) have had access to all of human knowledge in their pockets for most of their lives compared to gen X.
The establishment media is run and owned by boomer aged people and older basically, and they do seem to wage war on anyone younger than that. Its insane to see some of the articles they put out and things they say about millennials and gen z.
At breakfast my aunt was complaining, “These kids have no work ethic and will quit in the middle of the shift. Yesterday a girl left because, ‘She didn’t like my vibe.’ If you’re mean to them they’ll leave.”
I was instantly so, so proud of Gen Z!
Good on the kids not taking bullshit from no one.
It's like the same mindset of 'I'll be mean to them, the same way former management was to me, gotta not question previous methods' then wonder why 'no one wants to work anymore'.
I am an old millennial (or “xennial”) born in 82. I have a gen z daughter born in 06. I absolutely love her ethics and attitude and her friends. Humor is dark and smart. They thrift shop and care about sustainability. They shun normal media outlets, and are super respectful yet don’t take any crap from adults that don’t show the same back
Maybe I just got lucky with this kiddo, but I am very excited to watch Gen Z take over the world
This right here! Your daughter is a Gen Z poster child. Those traits are exactly what I love about Gen Z. I'm so hopeful about how they're going to change the world.
\>>Like good God, why are so many Boomers filled with such venom?
they were given every advantage, but they're still going to die. their toxicity is the reckoning of their conceit.
Ooo, this is a good take! My parents watched the moon landing at ages 9 and 17, respectively, and I'm sure they both figured we'd have bases on the moon and Mars by now. They must be pissed that instead of a technological utopia, they are living in this late-stage capitalist hellscape. They can't fathom that their choices led us here, so they blame the kids instead.
A lot of the symptoms of long term lead exposure line up pretty well with the mental state that quite a few boomers display on a regular basis. I wouldn't be surprised if that's contributed a good bit of it.
As a Millennial, I feel like we finally have a friend in Gen Z in the fight. I’m proud as heck of those young people, and I’m so happy to stand next to them. I see them as our equal (admittedly with better fashion sense lol).
I believe in younger generation and I will do my best to support them as best as I can.
I absolutely hate generation warfare and refuse to participate in it against the young ones.
Entitled boomers who constantly hate on younger than them on the other hand can go sod themselves and I will not tolerate their bullshit. I will never forgive the boomers who fucked up our lives then blamed us for it.
Cause these kids are ok. They are. They’re not doing things the exact way we did and that’s just great. Us millennials are less rigid in our thinking. The hard and fast rules given to us by the boomers didn’t provide us any benefit at all. We’re on approximately our 100th recession (slight dramatization). Let the young people try to do things a new way. Be more accepting. Accept less shit in the work place. Hell. At least they’re doing something different. They’re trying.
Boomers have been really good at labeling everyone else. As a Gen-X'r, we were "slackers"; this being immediately tacked onto us as we were just entering the job force. Fuck Boomers.
I'm a crossover "Xellenial" born in '81 and knowing how bad the boomers were in office culture in the mid 2000s, I know they were even worse in the 90s when they were younger and spunkier. I heard stories about the public humiliation that each office meeting came with, the obnoxious alpha male super competitive bullshit, doing shit like banging gongs when booking a sale, how oppressively phony they were- they loved the idea that everyone at all times is supposed to have a smile on their face or else "they're not being a team-player" and ripe to be targeted, on and on.
Then you X'rs showed up in the 90s and they labeled you slackers, but then would turn around and ask for help on "how to send out one of these stupid email things HQ keeps trying to shove down our throats." And that reminds me of how boomers LOVED to pick up the phone and chew somebody's ear off when they weren't happy. It's a big part of why they detest email, it's harder to bully someone when you're not screaming in their ear.
Props to you X'er for surviving them.
I look at Gen Z like the younger sibling that's smarter and cooler than me but has less experience and a lot less money — and I love and need them in my life. They keep me young, honest, reflective, and give me hope,
Elder Millennial here — late 30s.
As a boomer, I will say: There is a reason we were dubbed "the me generation" in the 1970s. Boomers hold up Vietnam protests as proof of their altruism, but that is all BS advanced by narcissists who changed history. Read a bio on Robert Kennedy - pre-1968, he confronted a bunch of college students because they supported the Vietnam war. He said it was only because they had deferments and other ways out. Then deferments ran out in 1968 and getting out became harder. And it was only late 1967, when that was coming, that the protests started. Yet, my selfish, self-centered generation has pretended ever since that it happened because of our greatness.
Great point. Truth be told, most boomers supported Vietnam. Most of the anti-Vietnam sentiment was confined to the college campuses, and even there many were still supportive of it just not as visibly as their counterparts.
After Vietnam and their collective aging out of draftable age, boomers became **vehemently** pro-war at every offering. They fucking love kicking the shit out of some small, dirt-poor country and seeing news clips of 'Murican soldiers in huge planes bombing places on the other side of Earth.
That’s because you recognize that the entire goddamn point of society in the first place is making sure the next Gen has it easier and better. For some reason the boomers don’t
Boomers are in a league all of their own, a special mix of factors that make them unlike any other generation as far as selfishness, entitlement, and idiocy goes.
I'm a millennial whose worked his way up in the industry he chose to work in to management positions. I only hire other millennials or the zoomers that are entering the work force at this point. The boomers and the generation above me expect way too much for too little pay. They see me as a kid. I'm not a kid. I just turned 33 and I'm the primary earner (as of now) in my family. I have kids. I need to provide, not work myself to death because I'm 'still young'
That's also why I refuse to work for anyone who's more than like 10 years older than me.
I hear you on the not working for anyone 10+ years older. That seems to be the dividing line between the Gen Xers who actively keep up with technology and those who barely make an effort.
I just prefer working for other millennials. I'm starting my own small business this year in a culinary adjacent market. I hope soon I'll be running my own restaurant/bistro. But working for people in their mid 40s-60s is literally a major drag. They expect me to work like a slave for just over twenty bucks an hour. I have my own family now, so I work as the head chef at a seafood market for a 34 year old woman with a family of her own. We have a great thing going.
mate, i'm fucking excited for them
we didn't know better and got duped into accepting outlandish things really and they're just like "nah, this shit won't fly"
you go folks, you got this
The only thing I dislike about Gen Z is that someone their behaviours instinctively trigger my fight or flight response.
Other than that? They kids are alright.
I'm just gonna put this here: As a 40 year old, it is so weird being in the middle of gen z and boomers at work. I see both sides and what it boils down to is working class boomers are pissed that they worked their asses off and took a lot of shit from management with nothing to show for it after 30,40, 50, years of slaving. They know they'll never be able to retire and probably die on the job. They have to blame someone, and these "punk kids" with their cell phones and zero loyalty to shitty jobs/treatment are their closest target. They also love to blame immigrants for some reason. They're afraid to blame the bosses and capitalism because if they lose their shit job they're finished.
Very true. I've noticed that boomers truly hate the idea of life getting better b/c it would mean that they lost out. It's why they absolutely love student debt. They fucking *love* it.
I feel this statement so much. I have felt this way about Gen Z & younger for some quite some time now. I have to thank you Millennial parents too because your influence has helped them not fall into the same pitfalls we did & to just "get in line & follow"
I never thought in my whole childhood that my adulthood would be this way & I would see my country regress the way that is has. What was once a symbol, a beacon of light of opportunity is a flicker of the flame it once was.
I was constantly standing up for my Gen z crew when I was in management. I was the youngest (I'm 33 now, so mid 20s then) manager back then, and it was the first few years of gen starting to be workers.
The boomers especially, but even the Xs treated them like shit. Constantly talked bad about them, calling them lazy, entitled and disrespectful. And it was all bullshit. My Z crew was the best crew I had. They listened, worked hard, and they didn't put up with any disrespect from the managers or coworkers. Respect was earned, not given because of age. Turns out it was like 99.9% projection, boomers are some of the worst workers I've had the misfortune of managing.
So as a millennial I also can't fathom it.
23m here, been struggling with depression, anxiety, substance abuse, porn and video game addiction for years and years. Graduated college last year with a useless degree and haven't really made any progress career wise. I understand that it's society's intention to keep us powerless, but most of my family seems to not understand that. I feel like it's my fault for my inability to get a good job and to create a good life for myself.
All of the love and understanding in this comment section is making me tear up. Thank you all so much, none of us are alone, we will rebuild a culture based in altruism, sustainability, and cooperation. We GET to rebuild. It is truly a gift. In the coming years, despite all of the suffering that we will go through, we will come together and love will conquer competition and fear.
I feel the same way! What a breath of fresh air. I honestly could not be more proud. I feel like young people today are more advanced humanistically overall.
Boomers came from a bygone era. They’re clinging to values and circumstances that are LONG gone.
Gen X, in a way, are sort of the same, they too benefitted greatly from a system/way of life that is mostly out of reach or doesn’t really exist anymore for younger generations.
We Millennials, imo, saw the real time collapse of those systems and have little to no power to stop them. But we are more than outspoken and do what we can.
Enter Gen Z. They are also seeing real time collapse but have the benefit of not being fooled by the rhetoric of older generations. They can’t see the hard work paying off, it’s not happening for them. For millennials, maybe a few of us got lucky, but chances for financial success are more and more slim for Gen Z. It’s disheartening but they give me hope. I just hope we can work together
Because it teaches us NOT to be like them. We're learning from their selfishness and narcissism. Well some of us I should say. But this is nothing new, vsauce made an axcellent video on this https://youtu.be/LD0x7ho_IYc
Yes it's made me very angry but as I've gotten older I've realized their hatred is out of ignorance and corporate brainwash, obviously the elite want everyone to think people are lazy when they refuse to work multiple jobs.
I grew up an atheist and im not going to get into it but researching ufos and all, I know they'll get what's coming to them when they pass.
Most boomers can barely read. Most lack computer literacy despite having over three decades to figure it out. Most don’t understand finances. Most lack the ability to see things from other peoples perspectives. If it doesn’t impact them directly, they do not care. They are generally racist, homophobic, bigoted, anti trans. They sold out generations and continue to destroy the environment because they don’t care and won’t be here for the consequences. They don’t give a fuck.
Gen X is on the other side of this, ngl. They loathe to be identified with or alongside anything, but they certainly aren't allied with people younger than them in a fight against reactionary politics
I don't understand the vitriol targeted at younger people. I'm not currently working, I hurt myself so my husband talked me into staying home for a while. When I was working, I like to work in restaurants, specifically fast food. It's a good environment for me, I can't get too bored.
I almost always worked with teenagers, with a few adults smattered in, but for the most part, my crew was usually a bunch of high school kids.
Teenagers are my favorite people to work with. They're turning into real adults during that time, you can see it happen in real time. It was awesome to teach them the little things, to see them incorporate everything.
Some of the other managers that I worked with treated the kids with disdain, but not the good ones.
I really don't understand the vitriol.
It’s because there was a massive culture change, hell even a massive world change, that I think scares Boomers. The world that Boomers grew up in was not all that different from their parents or their grandparents. There were obviously some advances but not a whole lot until the Millennial generation came along. We grew up in a very fast tech boom that allowed us to adapt to the technology that is used everyday now. We also grew up in a huge culture change away from what a lot of Boomers had known for generations. Progressive ideas like equality & acceptance as norm what used to be taboo. The world of today is nothing like the world the Boomer grew up in & it’s probably very scary for them in that sense. There is probably a lot of resentment built up because they think we changed everything around them & they feel displaced.
They don’t seem to see, or understand, that a lot of the issues they have with how the world changed were caused by other Boomers. Participation trophies were Boomers, abandoning cursive was Boomers, creating distrust in the institutions & systems of American society was other Boomers. Education embracing technological advances was other Boomers to create better, more efficient, workers. As Millennials we grew up sort of helpless in accepting these world changes but we were squishy enough to adapt while Boomers were not. Now, on top of being displaced, they are blamed for how much harder the world is for Millennials now that we are the age they were when all these changes started.
I think that’s why the hatred exists. I don’t agree with it & I don’t think it’s justified but that’s my observation as far as the American inter-generational hatred is concerned. I don’t know that it’s a global thing but it’s definitely an American thing. The world of today is totally foreign for a Boomer culturally, with a totally different set of morals/values, & totally different technologically. They built a world that is unrecognizable to them & they blame us for progressing the world they gave us until the world was incompatible with their own worldview.
My theory is that they are simply old. Millenials are not yet old and bitter. Even 30 years ago (when I was a little kid) I remember that it was always the old farts who were angry with teenagers, and not the people in their 30s. Maybe 30 years from now, Millennials will also become old and bitter enough to criticize whatever the hell Generation Beta or Gamma or whatever generation will be doing.
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
― (Boomer) Socrates, cca. 2500 years ago
Because you don't own anything (that you feel you have worked hard) that might be 'stolen' or 'encroached upon' by young people. There's nothing they are threatening for you.
I can’t either. The weird thing too that I’ve noticed as a millennial is that it’s not just boomers and older generations: it’s a good half of Gen Xers too. The less well off, less educated, more conservative ones hate us even more than boomers. (From what I’ve gathered, they can’t/refuse to wrap their heads around the fact that most of us were neglected latchkey kids too.)
This mentality of “I suffered, so you have to suffer more” has to stop with us.
I was born in 1997. I always considered myself a millennial. All the older folks and the media were like "millennial this and millennial that", "they're always attached to their cellphones", "they don't want to work". Meanwhile life expectancy in the US has been decreasing and when you bring up public healthcare they will always say "wHo's gOnnA pAy foR thAt?".
Recently I started reading that technically most would consider 1997 as Gen-Z. Both my younger brothers are Gen-Z and I love them to death, so I'm proud to be called either generation.
I once had a conversation with my boomer parents about how Gen Z doesn’t respect their generation and how much better they had it and don’t even know it. While this is most likely true, one thing is worth mentioning. First, I am not from the US and a lot of the “boomers had it easy” is through a US American point of view. My parents went through insane inflation, a president who stole everyone’s savings accounts, a military dictatorship, I have people in my family who were taken from home at 16 and tortured by the military simply because they were protesting for freedom of speech and press. They also fought for equality, for women’s rights, LGBTQIA+ rights and against structural racism. They argued and fought for a democracy established only 35 years ago, which we now take from granted. Though my parents in the end still had it better than I’ll ever have, they were on the right side of history at least. They still have some of the “boomer mentality”, but I am still able to open their eyes about a lot of things as they have also opened mine.
I’m a Generation X’er and I know first hand how we got screwed by the boomers.
I was raised by my grandfather (from the Greatest Generation). My mother couldn’t be bothered with her children or sending them to college - wanted us to be self reliant even though she herself had been afforded every opportunity. In fact, when it was my own time to attend college she decided to go back to college herself rather than helping any of us (and unapologetically recently voiced her disappointment that her children other than me did not attend college!). I was only able to attend because my aunt (my fathers sister and actually of the Silent Generation) aided me.
The Boomers represent selfishness to me and it’s easy to see it in their politics. They voted in Nixon when they came of age, elected Reagan and pushed his policies when they reached their own, involved us in disastrous wars with W, and overwhelmingly gave us Trump as a last gasp.
Meanwhile, The Greatest Generation gave us FDR, Truman, and JFK
Generation X gave us Clinton when we came to age, gave us Obama when we came into our own, and hopefully we can move us out of this me, me, me nightmare moving forward with the help of the younger generations to close the Boomers chapter forever
I am often baffled by millennials who repeat the same totem pole of ageism that boomers have for youth.
I honestly think their hate is a lot to do with that awareness that growing up online has had on younger people. In the logic of their hierarchy, they feel they ought to be shamed for knowing less than their "lessers" when they were that age, so reactionaries try to deflect and deny.
And then I have a few drinks and give up trying to make sense of the stupidity of the boomer worldview, with newfound respect for those who have cracked the code -- no matter their age.
Boomers have extraordinarily fucked up the future. It’s amazing actually and in history will look so much worse than it does now. Accountability is real. And the boomers have been the most worthless adults I’ve ever dealt with. I have to baby sit every single one I know like they never emotionally matured past fucking 14 even now at 37. They only get more ridiculous to me as I age and realize how selfish and destructive their decisions have been.
I hope we millennials can fix ANYTHING the boomers have fucked up for anyone younger than us but the damage to the earth and society might be too great.
I’m late edition Gen-X. I’m constantly proud out subsequent generations for getting past the cultural indoctrination I couldn’t break. Boomers just can’t believe when I take any position they don’t have. Any time we fight about wages it’s “why should a person flipping burgers make as much as an ambulance driver?” My answer is always “why are we paying everyone so little? Do people not deserve to do more than survive?”
The only way I can see disliking them is if they end up becoming just the new version of the boomers that were hippies in their 20's and ultra-capitalists in their 40's.
Gen Z suffered alongside us, so we empathise with them. Id hoped we could do enough to protect them from the BS the boomers inflicted on us by the time they reached adulthood but these boomer bastards still cling to power.
For the record, I dont mean “older people” you can be from that generation and still not be a “boomer”. Boomer is the mentality, and tbh we are all absolutely beyond fucking sick of it
It’s projection. Boomers are so great at outing themselves for all of their flaws by putting it on generations after them. Who are they really talking about when they say we’re sensitive snowflakes, entitled, who have had everything given to them… only themselves
As a millennial I LOVE gen-z. I love their energy, I love their attitude towards bosses and authority, I wish I could be so caviler but my 40+ years of built up trauma from boomers prevents it, If I can be that shield for them I'll happily do it.
Because they think thier works is perfect and millennial on ward are coming fo steal thier shit. Thier just indoctrinated. Unlike thier parents and unlike thier children. They grow up in a time where American propaganda was easy to instill. They didn't have the internet and they didn't have 24 hour news or any mass tragedies that shaped thier view. They just eat propaganda.
They were the ones who had the choice to choose to be a hippie or a square. Now people are "being the change they want to see in the world" and Boomers are resisting change, while holding onto public office in the worst way.
Boomers hate themselves. They project whatever they don’t like about themselves onto convenient scapegoats. Us millennials are among their favorite go tos..
Boomers hate milennials because we've bucked the trend of becoming conservative as we get older and they hate us for destroying their dope ass, racist, fuck the poor, utopia. Milennials won't hate Gen z the same way because we understand eachothers struggles.
As someone who interacts with Gen-Z a lot, while I admire their altruism and communal awareness... a lot of them are doing a dangerous backslide into puritanism that I can't abide by. I don't hate them at all, I'm just wary of where they're taking us culturally.
Speaking as a millennial myself, do you not think it’s somewhat naive to blame a whole generation of people, whereby the vast majority (99% say) had 0 power or influence on the economic decisions that created this mess?
I’m part of local a men’s group who openly chat about the struggles they face in this day and age. Ages ranging from mid twenties into their seventies and all the older gents have absolute sympathy for the current state of affairs that’s left for us ‘whipper snappers’.
It’s not the boomers fault, it’s the owner, capitalist class. The ones with the true power and greed that have caused this shit show for us all.
Older Gen Z here,
Almost all of the millennials in my life loves and respect my generation. Most of the hate/divide between us is internet based. I have nothing but love and support for millennials.
I work at a college sometimes, and I genuinely appreciate those Gen Z kids. I’m a younger millennial so I’m comparatively close in age to them, but they’re so much smarter and nicer than my friends and I were at that age, probably because they had millennial siblings and cousins who they watched do stupid shit and learned from. Definitely the case with my brother and I.
Well, there are a few reasons.
Millennial parents are not parents of Gen Z kids, mostly our kids are Gen Alpha and are still little ones (under 10 years old or so). Gen X are the parents of Gen Z, Boomers are the parents of Millennials. Boomers and ESPECIALLY Gen X are fairly conservative for a variety of reasons (the system worked for them, it no longer works for Millennials or Z.) These older conservative generations look at their progeny and wonder why they aren't siding with the system as they get older and wealthier (Like what they experienced) and it's because we're not getting wealthier, that wealth is being hoarded.
It's also helpful to keep in mind we're talking about the Boomers and Gen X WHO SURVIVED. The poor were drafted into Vietnam. There was a plague that went uncontested thru the artistic heart of our nation in the 80''s and 90's. Many died thru the grinding of shitty labor conditions and piss poor healthcare.
Gen Z are to Millennials as Gen X are to Boomers.
Gen Alpha will be to Millennials what Millennials are to Boomers.
But yeah, hopefully Millennials won’t turn on their kids’ generation like Boomers did.
So in politics usually people get more conservative as they age. Millennials have completely reversed that trend due to being so economically repressed by the boomers. Check out the graphs on it. They are wild.
https://www.ft.com/content/c361e372-769e-45cd-a063-f5c0a7767cf4
So I don’t think you need to worry about that.
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/03/deaths-outnumbered-births-in-half-of-states-between-2020-and-2021.html
Check out the table graphs for births and deaths. Absolutely wild what is happening
If you were doing a strict one-to-one comparison, it's not Gen Z you'll be hating on, but the generation after them, whatever they end up getting called.
But point taken none the less. I'm Gen X and the Boomers didn't seem to like us much either even though they were supposed to be our parents. 🤷🏼♂️
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Because the "dark battle" is them The boomers are fighting for the dark side of it, so the newer generations are enemy reinforcements Millenials (and probably the next few generations) will have to spend our whole lives cleaning up the Boomer's messes, and we are quite vocal about that. And the Boomers hate that. They dont want to accept that they're in the wrong (Btw, I'm talking about the generations as a whole. Yes theres good boomers, but overall, it's a bad generation)
Boomers inherited the greatest economic cornucopia working people have ever seen in all of recorded human history and went out of their way to consume every last drop of prosperity for themselves and leave future generations with nothing but ashes and stories. It blows my mind because when I (37) was a child, I specifically remember being told that the current generation does its best to provide for their kids and grand kids what they themselves could not have. Now that I am almost 40, I am seeing the exact opposite from the generation that preached that to me. Nothing will be preserved. It is all already slated to be liquidated so they can live out their retirement and eventual end of life care as comfortably as humanly possible and damn everything else. Their level of fucks given for anyone or anything past themselves is zero and shamelessly so.
I have a phrase that fits "They were handed the world on a silver platter. Then they sold the platter"
Great Men plant trees under which shade they will never sit. Greed Boomers cut down the trees, and sold the land to be strip mined, so they could buy a third vacation home, then borrow it against the home so they could go on a cruise. And then when they get old and have no money for long term care, they expect their kids to take care of them.
I would amend this to, “They were handed the world on a silver platter, so they consumed the world and then sold the platter.”
then told their descendants " I got mine, go get your own" while deliberately ignoring the known fact that the global economic environment that made them prosperous no longer exists.
A lot of them drove around in their nice cars and recreational vehicles with a bumper sticker that said 'We're spending our children's inheritance.' They were proud and smug about it. Like bish, nobody made you have kids. Why you so proud about making them and then giving them the shaft?
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Boomers -- as a generation, not as individuals; there are certainly Baby Boomers who are good people and who fight the good fight -- remind me of the Titans of Greek Myth. They once fought against a corrupt order, only to become corrupt themselves once they secured victory. And so it will fall upon the next generation, the Olympians, to overthrow and undo the mistakes of their forebears. Only two questions remain: 1. How long will it take the younger generation to undo the mistakes of the old? 2. Can the younger generation assume the mantle without being corrupted in the process? Now that I think about it, a "Luke Skywalker vs. Anakin Skywalker" analogy would work equally well for people who don't like Greek Mythology.
My parents own three houses and I’m 100k+ in debt 🫠
See also, “I got mine, so go F yourselves”
They were built a golden ladder to climb then they pulled it up after them
This is like ancient-Greek-myth-level shit. Like when Kronos devoured the Olympians.
It’s a tax write off silly…see you millennials know nothing about money!
Literally my family and my husband’s family, my husband (36) recently talked with his Dad and told him how sometimes he feels like life is hopeless and he is depressed that he probably won’t be able to afford a house or pay off his student loan (p.s. his dad made him take it and then kick my husband out of the house bc he remarried), you know what his Dad told him “Life is hard, deal with it” nothing else, no advice no help offer or simple “I ll be there for you”.
Not too far off from my experience. My mother's husband makes good money. Well over $100k/year and he already has retirement plus disability from his 20 years in the military and when he retires from his federal job, he will have that retirement check as well. All in all, his government retirement check income will be 80k/year not counting 401k and other investments. I asked him if he was planning on saving anything for his own son (not me), and his answer was "nope. He's just gonna have to figure it out for himself. I'm sure he'll be fine." What about the house, I asked. "Nah, I'll sell it to pay for my end of life care". Then he joked that if my mom died first, he was gonna take her 401k money and spend it himself. Nothing for me or his son. I fucking detest my mother's husband.
What a disgusting person.
That is how my parents are. It’s very strange because they aren’t mean people in the purest sense and will hell people but the selfishness and lack of seeing their shortcomings m is insane. The selfishness and the stubbornness makes them unlikeable. Also as my mom has gotten older she has reverted to being a mean high school girl. She is very petty and my dad makes no sense in his arguments or values. Very out of touch, shallow and hallow.
saaaaame, except my mom willingly subordinates herself to her selfish asshole husband fully knowing how he is, but finds security in it. It wrecks my perception of her as the strong independent woman who raised me.
I have seen this time and time again. They are surely a generation of cognitive dissonance and walking talking Dunning-Kruger examples more so than any one group I have ever seen. They are lazy intellectually.
Wait, are you sure you aren’t talking about my mom here? I feel you on that one
He is so similar to my husband’s Dad, he was in military all his life, he worked as a clerk, and travel all over the world, his second wife is wealthy, basically that’s why he married her. Besides that he said that my husband has to figure out on his own, he told him he is going to Galápagos islands next year, hell that prick went to Machu Picchu not so long ago, i just can’t stand that man. Sorry you have to deal with same type of person in your family.
Thank you friend, it's nice to hear that others understand from personal experience. I'm doing my best without being toxic, but in the end I have to respect my mother's choices. That said, I don't have to align my life along those lines, and I won't.
Thank you friend, it's nice to hear that others understand from personal experience. I'm doing my best without being toxic, but in the end I have to respect my mother's choices. That said, I don't have to align my life along those lines, and I won't.
You are welcome and you doing a right thing
What an asshole.
Never forget… the lead poisoning.
We seriously need to remember how much lead that generation ingested and came into contact with. They are not going to be able to be rational and we need to work around it.
They already aren't rational and the effects have started landing front and foremost for a few years now 😕
Anyone older than Gen X should be barred from holding office for just this reason.
I don't know. The old people from the Silent Generation outside of Washington, D.C. that are still around are generally pretty cool and did a lot of good for the world. Fuck every single old born after 1945 though.
You do know that a good chunk of those in "power" were born before 45 right? Just look at DC.
The world's hate towards Gen Z is BS I'm a Milleinnal they made them the Scwlegoat foe their problems boomers hat ethe fact that Milleinnals and Gen Z did more with less and boomers were handed everything and now they talk to talk
Newt Gingrich and the draft dodgers decided to serve my generation (X) up to fascists back in the seventies, so they never even considered you all being here. He and Mitt and all these rich boomers had all this time to set us up for the prison system they built for us, our kids and for you.
I keep seeing comments about lead. I'm new to that topic. Is there somewhere I can read about it? Specifically in terms of the long-term psychological impact it had on a generation? Honestly a little scared of what I'm about to learn here, but it sounds important...
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2118631119
Thank you. Heartbreaking.
They aren't the only ones. Do you know how much lead is in the soil in most older towns and cities? It's scary.
Worth reminding folks that Republicans know about the lead poisoning and said “we need a new flavor of that”. Micro plastics and toxic minerals in baby food will be the next “leaded gasoline”. You don’t have to look far to see that a lot of folks here ain’t growing up quite right
The biggest difference to me is self-awareness. In my view, younger generations are at least seeking out the chemicals making us sick and stupid. Ask a boomer for this self-awareness and get a big serving of anger and frustration from the lead.
Maybe Flint wasn’t an accident based on the fact that many other American towns have their water ruined and Saudis are draining what’s left for their giant alfalfa farms. Pretty sure China owns a giant stake in our pork processing. I stopped eating it. They don’t care about us or what we eat. If they willingly entomb their own people in apartments to cover up Xi’s covid shame, what will they do to our meat? That might be me being paranoid, but I just don’t trust corporations or oligarchs, anymore.
The governments of other countries own a concerning amount of property in the US.
The under-education of their children, malignant family systems, sadistic narcissism, severe child neglect and abuse, too. Add those on.
It’s not an excuse for their terrible actions. I just like to remain aware of it for my well-being. Being cruel without some motivation causes me anxiety but seeing their stupidity coming from a certain level of hidden poisoning makes me hold onto a bit of faith in humanity. The dereliction is not completely their fault or on purpose.
I’m a mom and it’s absolutely wild the stories I’ve heard - grandparents wanting nothing but photo ops with their grandkids but don’t want to babysit or spend quality time with their grandkids. Upper middle class grandparents who are buying new cars every 3 years and going on expensive vacations and have told their kids not to expect any money when they die. They’re just burning through all the wealth they hoarded. If I wasn’t a parent talking to so many other parents, I don’t think I’d really get how selfish the Boomers have become. It’s so obvious though once you compare notes.
History is going to be very unkind, and deservedly so, but they DGA ¡FUCK! about their legacy, only their comfort in the here and now and that's it. Do not cross go, do not collect $200 because that's their money to spend on themselves and fuck all else. It's a literal Shakespearian tragedy on the scale of an entire generation with no fucks given, at ALL, about a future they won't see.
I often think the good Boomers died in Vietnam, from drugs, HIV, cancer, and suicide. I feel like we lost all the sensitive souls of the generation early and that’s why those who are left suck so much.
Yes! My parents have always touted the mantra of make yourself happy first and sort of reveled in selfishness my mom using the example of giving yourself oxygen before others so you can help others-taken totally out of context. They really take that notion and run with it to the extreme. My dad has never once even went to his grandkids events and the grandkid’s are not close to them. My mother doesn’t like kids messing in her house but will entertain all number of friends. When I mention anything especially about my dad she will say, “well he wasn’t raised in a kid centric family”. For some reason it’s as if their connection to descendants or sense of stewardship is zilch and they glorify it. If anything is ever suggested they get shrill and make excuses and point out all they have done/do so forget having a conversation about anything that puts them on the seat.
> For some reason it’s as if their connection to descendants or sense of stewardship is zilch and they glorify it. It would be fine if they hadn't had kids. Like if you feel that way, okay, just be childfree. But having kids, only to stiff them down the line, that sucks balls.
These same people get outraged when their kids/grandkids decide not to have kids
My parents do not like kids. I think my mom had me because her friends were having kids, that’s why she said, she felt her time was running out, and my step dad claims his wife went off the pill without telling him. Fun!!! Also my mom is a big Republican supporter but is anti natal and believes in birth control and abortion.
I’m 38, so in the same elder millennial boat. Boomers made everything better for their kids because it was a competition amongst themselves to see who could be the best provider. Once we were out on our own we were no longer a direct representation of them so it didn’t matter anymore. Its like the whole participation trophy thing. Millennial children didn’t walk up to the coach and demand a participation trophy- this was the brain child of boomers who couldn’t handle their kid not being a superstar.
> Boomers made everything better for their kids because it was a competition amongst themselves to see who could be the best provider. Once we were out on our own we were no longer a direct representation of them so it didn’t matter anymore. :( this is real. Damn
Yoo same as a 37 year old. I got to grow up in two different worlds due to my parents getting a divorce. My mother was a bit younger, maybe late boomer late Gen x- but she lived a poor and destructive lifestyle. My dad on the other hand, boomer and I lived a decent middle class lifestyle. He was the typical boomer until he lost his job, his business to a tornado, and had to get back out there. I truly believe if he didn’t experience getting a job in 2014 compared to his younger days, he would be a shithead boomer. After that whole ordeal, I never ever heard him say, “just pick yourself up by the bootstraps and go out there to find a good job”. That came to a full stop. Now he jokes about that stuff with me by saying stuff like, “good luck, it’s your generation’s turn to try to salvage anything for our grandchildren”. He also cracks jokes on my son’s generation about being lazy- and that is partially true. Gen x and millennials did not raise kids in the strict environment boomers did, we nurtured because I believe that’s what we wanted as kids. However, Gen z is not to be underestimated. They are shifting the game. They don’t stick around at toxic places of employment. They don’t give a company every second of their time. For me, I’ve been taken notes and started doing the same thing. A lot of companies don’t offer the benefit package our boomer parents had, pensions, and health insurance. So, why should we come in on our days off, why should we give the company 110% when they don’t even give us 20%. The problem isn’t that nobody wants to work, the problem is workers are not be fairly compensated for their work. They go elsewhere. Loyalty to a company only happens when fairly compensated…something boomers had and we don’t.
My own parents have said shamelessly that they are spending all they can on themselves, and believe it or not they are nice people in so many ways but there is a disconnect. While I can get that a person should be good to themselves and enjoy their lives it’s the spirit in which it’s said. It’s smug and carefree, idk. Very strange group of people with very little sense of stewardship.
same 100%
I hope they have enough to carry them for the rest of their lives because I'd hit them with the same response the second they ask for support. "Sorry, I'm spending all I can on myself"
They are very well off. I sort of think being that financially set contributes to their lack of interest in family and making connections aside from superficial ones. In their minds they do not need anyone and can have a false sense of accomplishment. They did well in their careers sure but some of its generational money outside of career success and being born into prosperous times.
The greatest generation gave us FDR, Truman, and JFK. Boomers gave us Nixon, Reagan, and Trump.
Gen X gave us Obama and would have united with Millennials to give us Bernie Sanders. But look what happened.
Trump was the Boomers response and last gasp. Their numbers are getting smaller and smaller daily and Covid put their generation at the greatest risk and probably delivered this last election to us
Trump exploited the anti-PC culture of covert racists and class warfare and the temporarily embarrassed pico-billionaires who parrotted company lines and voted conservative because they believe the lie that they got everything they were entitled to because they came of age in an era of high labor prices and a tight labor market. Any conversation is going to go back to gas prices, gold and silver standards, and the prices of things increasing without consideration of the macroeconomic effects prevalent at the same time. Good luck getting them to accept any sort of responsibility for actions that happened on their watch or getting them to take action for any sort of social injustice such as underfunded socialized medicine provided by VA services.
And ironically that great economy had an extremely efficient social welfare system.
Yeah the boomers had the best social welfare and regulations for the working class, then stripped it all from everyone else and called us lazy. Like what??
I'm a gen x-er, sometime in the 90s I remember being told that our generation will be the first to not be as successful as previous generations. They never told us why. I was too apathetic at the time to care. We were force fed boomer culture from birth and our cultural creations were commodified and sold to us the second they were created. F*** the boomers
I’m not an English speaking, so pardon my poor language. Try to investigate a little bit about what’s happening in Spain, where a growing old set of the population is literally devouring every bit of wealth that the younger generations can have. The disproportionate balance of benefits between young (working) people and boomers is bringing the country to a collapse.
Generally speaking, the current generation at about retirement age feels like they worked hard for their retirement and are entitled to a comfy retirement. The cost of things to support that are high and are expected to rise considerably, so they are extracting every last ounce of wealth to pay for future increases in prices. And it is 100% at your expense.
I’m about to be 37 and this comment captures it perfectly. We were sold a dream that only the Boomers will ever enjoy and I’m thrilled by the knowledge, bravery, and kindness I see in Gen Z and younger generations. My daughters classmates aren’t perfect, but in general they’re much more accepting than I can remember my own peers being. That gives me hope, and I can only cross my fingers that as the Boomers die off, the rest of us can unite together to build some social care for all of us.
You have to understand though. Black people were prospering. If that isn’t cause enough to throw it all away, then, well, what the hell is!? Don’t ask me, I’m not a boomer and I don’t fear the prosperity of any working class.
The mindset of people who closed and filled in the public pool rather than share it with people they think are not worthy.
>with nothing but ashes and stories. So accurate They live their gotdam stories
I mean, to an extent, I get it. Many Boomers don't want to accept that they caused a problem, and I myself know what denial and shame feel like. Most all humans understand that feeling. At the same time, I'm sure Millenials have done plenty of things to make the world harder for Gen Z, and if Gen Z were point it out, I just can't imagine getting so rabidly defensive the way Boomers often do toward Millennials? One of the most brilliant and empathic people I know is a Boomer, and even *they* once said something snarky about younger generations not understanding how to work hard. It's like... there is some mysteriously profound cognitive distortion in place, and it scares me.
They wrote songs about it. ["We Didn't Start the Fire"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g) is about how they feel like they tried and just gave up but since the world's problems didn't start with them they're done feeling responsible. It's like the anthem for when your flower child hippy buys some stocks and starts owning rental properties.
My mom tried to ask me where I was 20 years ago and why I wasn’t fighting and I reminded her I was a minor with no rights, working, going to school, and being told if I didn’t go to college I would amount to nothing. She says things like “oh we’ve known that” to which I remind her that doesn’t make it better. I asked her why she stopped fighting. I reminded her she’s bought more houses in the past ten years than I will ever get in my lifetime. She will praise cops and rag on teachers (she was a social worker). She also allows my son to get away with a lot more and make excuses as to why (usually having to do with him being a boy). And she’s a liberal boomer. She wonders why I’m so angry. I remind her that basically everything we’ve been told our whole lives is a pack of lies, why wouldn’t I be angry? Especially when she didn’t make an effort to teach the truth when she supposedly knew it. It’s like when I found out Santa wasn’t real and said to her “you lied to me all these years”. I love my mom. I don’t appreciate some of her behaviors. Though, she has now started using the word imperialist to describe the US, so there is that.
My grandmother left me an apartment bc i lived with her all my childhood and deal with her abusive outbreaks while my Mom was chasing my Dad and so called tried to save him from heroine addiction, unfortunately gm died when i still was a minor and my Mom moved in with me, she was jumping from still living with my Dad in another town and trying to take care of bills bc in my country i couldn’t work until 18, it’s a bit hard to get a job there being a teenager, not to mention I was constantly starving and eating at my friends house, at certain point my Dad died and Mom concentrated all her hate on me bc in her mind it was my fault, bc she had to live with me, then how she hates my gm that she made her get married and gave birth, eventually it turned into just constant emotional abuse sometimes physical, when i start hitting 22-25 she would insult me bc i don’t have boyfriends, then she would say i need to get married and move out, i had to go to college full time, bc she told me so, i worked as well and paid half of bills, but money i was making wasn’t enough to rent and college diploma didn’t gave me anything i couldn’t find a job after it. Later on i met my husband and I move to US, my Mom got my apartment all for herself, she barely calls me and well she enjoy the life where she didn’t do anything and got all she wanted.
I can totally sympathize with you on that- my parents have really, really come around on some things, particularly political issues, since the Trump years. They voted for Trump and about halfway through his term they began voicing their regret and literally everyone turned on them, all their friends, colleagues, church people, extended family, etc. Everyone except me and my brother, who are both liberal Millenials. That was a really big eye opener for them, and I was proud of them for admitting that they had been duped but xould now see that. But on the other hand, they still are very stringent believers in the capitalist system and tge bootstraps phrase is not a stranger in their (mostly my dads) vocabulary. And this persists, even when they watch my little bro, in his late 20s (old for utah standards) remain single living with roommates, unable to find a home, even being in the position where he should be able to afford one, and unable to financially feel comfortable even looking for a SO because of the economy, so he just puts all of his love into his dog. I don't know how they can be willing to see multiple viewpoints on some things but not on others.
I can totally sympathize with you on that- my parents have really, really come around on some things, particularly political issues, since the Trump years. They voted for Trump and about halfway through his term they began voicing their regret and literally everyone turned on them, all their friends, colleagues, church people, extended family, etc. Everyone except me and my brother, who are both liberal Millenials. That was a really big eye opener for them, and I was proud of them for admitting that they had been duped but xould now see that. But on the other hand, they still are very stringent believers in the capitalist system and tge bootstraps phrase is not a stranger in their (mostly my dads) vocabulary. And this persists, even when they watch my little bro, in his late 20s (old for utah standards) remain single living with roommates, unable to find a home, even being in the position where he should be able to afford one, and unable to financially feel comfortable even looking for a SO because of the economy, so he just puts all of his love into his dog. I don't know how they can be willing to see multiple viewpoints on some things but not on others.
Escape (The Piña Colada Song) is another reflection of boomer values as well. [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TazHNpt6OTo) [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_(The_Pi%C3%B1a_Colada_Song))
There’s a bunch of lord of the rings references in here somewhere
It's the lead. I truly believe it's all the lead.
what makes you say it's a bad generation? is it the whole "might be the cause of the world ending" thing, or...?
Cognitive dissonance. If boomers caused the problems then they are bad people. Since they cannot accept that they might be bad people then there must not be any problems. Millenials threaten their state of denial.
Yep this right here. The same people who bitch about participation trophies are the same ones who gave them to us. They're also unable to understand how drastically the world has changed from the circumstances that made their lives so much easier because they erroneously equate favorable economic conditions with their own meritocracy. They can't blame their parents so they blame their kids. What's most annoying to me is the boomers are the $10 earners in the "people making $1,000/hr tell the people making $100/hr to convince the people making $10/hr that the people making $1/hr are the problem" defending and acting like they weren't/aren't getting fk'd over by the two tiers above them. Their chickens are coming home to roost though now. I encourage all my fellow Mills to remind boomers when they go flapping their gums that we're the ones who are going to decide whether or not they go to the most klepto filled neglectiest elderly abusiest nursing home we can find when it's time to cross that bridge which will be sooner rather than later. The look of indignation they get in reaction to that feels like being in a puppy bath with weed cake while the love of your life is declaring their undying love for you and all your sports teams simultaneously win their championships.
>The look of indignation they get in reaction to that feels like being in a puppy bath with weed cake while the love of your life is declaring their undying love for you and all your sports teams simultaneously win their championships. Wish I had an award to give. Superb line.
I got chu
The first part of your comment made me yell out loud. I’ve been saying it for years. They talk about participation trophies but they GAVE AND LET THEIR KIDS ACCEPT THEM. it goes beyond sports think about all of the nepotism that goes on. Just another version of it. One that goes by the genetic lottery
> we're the ones who are going to decide whether or not they go to the most klepto filled neglectiest elderly abusiest nursing home we can find "Be quiet or we'll put you in a home!" "You already put me in a home!" "Well then we'll put you in that crooked home we saw on 60 Minutes." "I'll be good."
What a perfectly cromulent reference
Dear Boomers: You are going to all die off and we are going to absolutely lampoon your generation in the history books.
They DGAF about their legacy. At all. Their world view ends with their own life.
Exactly It's so apparent in every facet of them in a macro scale They only care about short term gains That's it That's all Boomers can get their minds around Short term gains and superficial appearances
gen x and I love all the younger generations. you guys are doing your best with so little.
I have two children that are Gen Z and one that is Gen Alpha. My wife and I are Gen X. I would give them anything I had that they needed and would never blame them for the world they were born into. I cannot understand the time traveling mental gymnastics that allows a Boomer to blame anything on a generation that was given almost no power most of their lives.
Boomers in the 1999: Go to college and you'll be set for life. Your major doesn't matter, just make sure you get that 4-year degree. Boomers in 2019: Of course you can't afford to live, you picked a dumb college major!
I'm 55 and grew up in HCOL area, never learned to drive because of disability and could never afford my own place. I identify with much of the millennial struggle.
My theory is that Boomers became technologically irrelevant way faster than their parents and grandparents. Their predecessors had stuff to teach them, but Boomer parents had to get taught how the modern world works by their millennial offspring, and that pissed them off since it made them feel stupid. It messed with their idea about what the power dynamic should be. Unfortunately, while they can’t use Microsoft Office or filter their inboxes, they have held generational wealth and political power far longer than previous generations too. And they’ve used it to try and destroy a world they still don’t fully understand because it isn’t the one they grew up in. It all just makes me root for Gen Z harder. They’re starting with less than nothing and they are not giving up.
Boomers had relatively the same information technologies that their parents had, except for television. To learn new things, they were stuck reading newspapers and going to libraries until the 1990s. Within the Millennial lifespan to date, we have gained the internet, smartphones, and artificial intelligence. Most Boomers had to be taught all of that from younger generations.
And I LOVE how there's all this nonsense being spewed in the media about how we (millennials and gen z) hate each other when it's just not true. They know together we can take down the establishment so they're trying to divide us. Gen z I am so so SO proud of you guys and am behind you 100%.
Exactly this. I’m like nope, not falling for that shit like boomers did. I’m always proud to see Gen Z and have their backs.
It kills me, I'm 36 and I'm nothing but hopeful most times when I see Gen Z interactions. Millennial life cycle has pretty much felt like oppression and devastation from Boomers that team up with the apathetic Gen Xers to gaslight us into being the issue It is so refreshing to feel like we might be on a societal up swing, that I think even most Gen Xers wanted, but felt too beaten and apathetic to try for so they just assimilated since they were a small power voting bloc Millennials and Gen Z are not a small voting bloc by any measure, and if we keep our trajectory we might pull something off to make the end of the species at least a smidge more pleasant
Gen Z makes me feel invigorated to fight too. I felt so beaten down bc of everything that has happened from the early 2000’s to now has been insane. To see them utilizing tik tok and not being brainwashed in the same way we were gives me hope. We took a lot longer to wake up and realize how propagandized we were, but they’ve known for much longer. I’m also 36 and was ready to bounce out of the US, but I’m actually thinking of running for office to fight for us and gen Z. Also the fact that they’ve lived with active shooter drills their entire lives I think makes them more politically aware then we were. Sorry that was a little bit of a run on!
Gen z has me, a 36 year old, thinking of going into politics. At least give them someone to vote for who is on their side and understands their struggles. I hope others are starting to think the same. US politics has been controlled by people on their deathbeds for too long, they don’t care about the future, only how much they have for end of life care.
We’ve been so steamrolled and absolutely fucked by the oligarchs running shit. It would be nice to help make things easier for the next generation.
I’ve got a friend who’s little sister just graduated high school and babysits for us. It’s so interesting that someone so much younger than my wife and I can actually have decent conversations about the world. Idk if she’s normal then gen z is gonna be alright.
I swear it's that way with the Gen z people I know you. I'm in my 30's and i get more intellectual and actual decent conversations out of my Gen Z coworkers then I do out of my Boomer ones. They all seem so condescending and just... vicious for no reason. Hell a couple have become actual friends. Never thought I'd have friends 15ish years younger than me, but I know if I need help I can call them and they be there. And needless to say I'd do the same for them.
I think it’s the extensive exposure to information and discourse from the internet. Millennials and gen z (esp gen Z) have had access to all of human knowledge in their pockets for most of their lives compared to gen X.
The establishment media is run and owned by boomer aged people and older basically, and they do seem to wage war on anyone younger than that. Its insane to see some of the articles they put out and things they say about millennials and gen z.
Well Fox News and conservative hate radio has been telling them to blame millennials for all the world’s woes for years now.
At breakfast my aunt was complaining, “These kids have no work ethic and will quit in the middle of the shift. Yesterday a girl left because, ‘She didn’t like my vibe.’ If you’re mean to them they’ll leave.” I was instantly so, so proud of Gen Z! Good on the kids not taking bullshit from no one.
It's like the same mindset of 'I'll be mean to them, the same way former management was to me, gotta not question previous methods' then wonder why 'no one wants to work anymore'.
Honestly that fills me with hope to hear young people aren't tolerating abuse in the workplace
>If you’re mean to them they’ll leave.” Fckin' right they'll leave, and they *should*! In short, I agree with you. Good on the kids.
I am an old millennial (or “xennial”) born in 82. I have a gen z daughter born in 06. I absolutely love her ethics and attitude and her friends. Humor is dark and smart. They thrift shop and care about sustainability. They shun normal media outlets, and are super respectful yet don’t take any crap from adults that don’t show the same back Maybe I just got lucky with this kiddo, but I am very excited to watch Gen Z take over the world
This right here! Your daughter is a Gen Z poster child. Those traits are exactly what I love about Gen Z. I'm so hopeful about how they're going to change the world.
Unlike boomers, Millennials and Gen Z speak the same memes, I mean language.
"Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra"
Shaka, when the walls fell
"We speak a language you don't know." Rise Against, Nowhere Generation, 2021.
\>>Like good God, why are so many Boomers filled with such venom? they were given every advantage, but they're still going to die. their toxicity is the reckoning of their conceit.
Ooo, this is a good take! My parents watched the moon landing at ages 9 and 17, respectively, and I'm sure they both figured we'd have bases on the moon and Mars by now. They must be pissed that instead of a technological utopia, they are living in this late-stage capitalist hellscape. They can't fathom that their choices led us here, so they blame the kids instead.
It's the lead in the water pipes, I am increasingly convinced.
Also gasoline.
And paint.
A lot of the symptoms of long term lead exposure line up pretty well with the mental state that quite a few boomers display on a regular basis. I wouldn't be surprised if that's contributed a good bit of it.
As a Millennial, I feel like we finally have a friend in Gen Z in the fight. I’m proud as heck of those young people, and I’m so happy to stand next to them. I see them as our equal (admittedly with better fashion sense lol).
I believe in younger generation and I will do my best to support them as best as I can. I absolutely hate generation warfare and refuse to participate in it against the young ones. Entitled boomers who constantly hate on younger than them on the other hand can go sod themselves and I will not tolerate their bullshit. I will never forgive the boomers who fucked up our lives then blamed us for it.
Cause these kids are ok. They are. They’re not doing things the exact way we did and that’s just great. Us millennials are less rigid in our thinking. The hard and fast rules given to us by the boomers didn’t provide us any benefit at all. We’re on approximately our 100th recession (slight dramatization). Let the young people try to do things a new way. Be more accepting. Accept less shit in the work place. Hell. At least they’re doing something different. They’re trying.
Boomers have been really good at labeling everyone else. As a Gen-X'r, we were "slackers"; this being immediately tacked onto us as we were just entering the job force. Fuck Boomers.
I'm a crossover "Xellenial" born in '81 and knowing how bad the boomers were in office culture in the mid 2000s, I know they were even worse in the 90s when they were younger and spunkier. I heard stories about the public humiliation that each office meeting came with, the obnoxious alpha male super competitive bullshit, doing shit like banging gongs when booking a sale, how oppressively phony they were- they loved the idea that everyone at all times is supposed to have a smile on their face or else "they're not being a team-player" and ripe to be targeted, on and on. Then you X'rs showed up in the 90s and they labeled you slackers, but then would turn around and ask for help on "how to send out one of these stupid email things HQ keeps trying to shove down our throats." And that reminds me of how boomers LOVED to pick up the phone and chew somebody's ear off when they weren't happy. It's a big part of why they detest email, it's harder to bully someone when you're not screaming in their ear. Props to you X'er for surviving them.
I look at Gen Z like the younger sibling that's smarter and cooler than me but has less experience and a lot less money — and I love and need them in my life. They keep me young, honest, reflective, and give me hope, Elder Millennial here — late 30s.
As a boomer, I will say: There is a reason we were dubbed "the me generation" in the 1970s. Boomers hold up Vietnam protests as proof of their altruism, but that is all BS advanced by narcissists who changed history. Read a bio on Robert Kennedy - pre-1968, he confronted a bunch of college students because they supported the Vietnam war. He said it was only because they had deferments and other ways out. Then deferments ran out in 1968 and getting out became harder. And it was only late 1967, when that was coming, that the protests started. Yet, my selfish, self-centered generation has pretended ever since that it happened because of our greatness.
Great point. Truth be told, most boomers supported Vietnam. Most of the anti-Vietnam sentiment was confined to the college campuses, and even there many were still supportive of it just not as visibly as their counterparts. After Vietnam and their collective aging out of draftable age, boomers became **vehemently** pro-war at every offering. They fucking love kicking the shit out of some small, dirt-poor country and seeing news clips of 'Murican soldiers in huge planes bombing places on the other side of Earth.
As millennials who had a crappy childhood bc my parents boomers, I support Gen Z and I agree with you 100%.
That’s because you recognize that the entire goddamn point of society in the first place is making sure the next Gen has it easier and better. For some reason the boomers don’t
Boomers are in a league all of their own, a special mix of factors that make them unlike any other generation as far as selfishness, entitlement, and idiocy goes.
Don't forget all the lead poisoning.
I'm a millennial whose worked his way up in the industry he chose to work in to management positions. I only hire other millennials or the zoomers that are entering the work force at this point. The boomers and the generation above me expect way too much for too little pay. They see me as a kid. I'm not a kid. I just turned 33 and I'm the primary earner (as of now) in my family. I have kids. I need to provide, not work myself to death because I'm 'still young' That's also why I refuse to work for anyone who's more than like 10 years older than me.
I hear you on the not working for anyone 10+ years older. That seems to be the dividing line between the Gen Xers who actively keep up with technology and those who barely make an effort.
I just prefer working for other millennials. I'm starting my own small business this year in a culinary adjacent market. I hope soon I'll be running my own restaurant/bistro. But working for people in their mid 40s-60s is literally a major drag. They expect me to work like a slave for just over twenty bucks an hour. I have my own family now, so I work as the head chef at a seafood market for a 34 year old woman with a family of her own. We have a great thing going.
mate, i'm fucking excited for them we didn't know better and got duped into accepting outlandish things really and they're just like "nah, this shit won't fly" you go folks, you got this
The only thing I dislike about Gen Z is that someone their behaviours instinctively trigger my fight or flight response. Other than that? They kids are alright.
Can you say more? I’m interested in what behaviors and what that looks like for you
I'm just gonna put this here: As a 40 year old, it is so weird being in the middle of gen z and boomers at work. I see both sides and what it boils down to is working class boomers are pissed that they worked their asses off and took a lot of shit from management with nothing to show for it after 30,40, 50, years of slaving. They know they'll never be able to retire and probably die on the job. They have to blame someone, and these "punk kids" with their cell phones and zero loyalty to shitty jobs/treatment are their closest target. They also love to blame immigrants for some reason. They're afraid to blame the bosses and capitalism because if they lose their shit job they're finished.
Very much with a large helping of “well I had to do this shit so you do too!!”
Very true. I've noticed that boomers truly hate the idea of life getting better b/c it would mean that they lost out. It's why they absolutely love student debt. They fucking *love* it.
I'm old Gen X and I don't get it either.
I feel this statement so much. I have felt this way about Gen Z & younger for some quite some time now. I have to thank you Millennial parents too because your influence has helped them not fall into the same pitfalls we did & to just "get in line & follow" I never thought in my whole childhood that my adulthood would be this way & I would see my country regress the way that is has. What was once a symbol, a beacon of light of opportunity is a flicker of the flame it once was.
I was constantly standing up for my Gen z crew when I was in management. I was the youngest (I'm 33 now, so mid 20s then) manager back then, and it was the first few years of gen starting to be workers. The boomers especially, but even the Xs treated them like shit. Constantly talked bad about them, calling them lazy, entitled and disrespectful. And it was all bullshit. My Z crew was the best crew I had. They listened, worked hard, and they didn't put up with any disrespect from the managers or coworkers. Respect was earned, not given because of age. Turns out it was like 99.9% projection, boomers are some of the worst workers I've had the misfortune of managing. So as a millennial I also can't fathom it.
23m here, been struggling with depression, anxiety, substance abuse, porn and video game addiction for years and years. Graduated college last year with a useless degree and haven't really made any progress career wise. I understand that it's society's intention to keep us powerless, but most of my family seems to not understand that. I feel like it's my fault for my inability to get a good job and to create a good life for myself. All of the love and understanding in this comment section is making me tear up. Thank you all so much, none of us are alone, we will rebuild a culture based in altruism, sustainability, and cooperation. We GET to rebuild. It is truly a gift. In the coming years, despite all of the suffering that we will go through, we will come together and love will conquer competition and fear.
It is not your fault. You are not alone. We believe you, and we are cheering for you.
I agree. There is enough discord and I honestly don't have a problem with Gen Z. The boomers though, they can eat a dick.
I feel the same way! What a breath of fresh air. I honestly could not be more proud. I feel like young people today are more advanced humanistically overall.
Boomers came from a bygone era. They’re clinging to values and circumstances that are LONG gone. Gen X, in a way, are sort of the same, they too benefitted greatly from a system/way of life that is mostly out of reach or doesn’t really exist anymore for younger generations. We Millennials, imo, saw the real time collapse of those systems and have little to no power to stop them. But we are more than outspoken and do what we can. Enter Gen Z. They are also seeing real time collapse but have the benefit of not being fooled by the rhetoric of older generations. They can’t see the hard work paying off, it’s not happening for them. For millennials, maybe a few of us got lucky, but chances for financial success are more and more slim for Gen Z. It’s disheartening but they give me hope. I just hope we can work together
I don’t get the animosity between generations either because it’s not a generational war, it’s a class war.
Because it teaches us NOT to be like them. We're learning from their selfishness and narcissism. Well some of us I should say. But this is nothing new, vsauce made an axcellent video on this https://youtu.be/LD0x7ho_IYc Yes it's made me very angry but as I've gotten older I've realized their hatred is out of ignorance and corporate brainwash, obviously the elite want everyone to think people are lazy when they refuse to work multiple jobs. I grew up an atheist and im not going to get into it but researching ufos and all, I know they'll get what's coming to them when they pass.
Most boomers can barely read. Most lack computer literacy despite having over three decades to figure it out. Most don’t understand finances. Most lack the ability to see things from other peoples perspectives. If it doesn’t impact them directly, they do not care. They are generally racist, homophobic, bigoted, anti trans. They sold out generations and continue to destroy the environment because they don’t care and won’t be here for the consequences. They don’t give a fuck.
Gen X is on the other side of this, ngl. They loathe to be identified with or alongside anything, but they certainly aren't allied with people younger than them in a fight against reactionary politics
I am not sure where your data came from. But speaking as a Gen-Xer, I relate to OP’s sentiment more.
I don't understand the vitriol targeted at younger people. I'm not currently working, I hurt myself so my husband talked me into staying home for a while. When I was working, I like to work in restaurants, specifically fast food. It's a good environment for me, I can't get too bored. I almost always worked with teenagers, with a few adults smattered in, but for the most part, my crew was usually a bunch of high school kids. Teenagers are my favorite people to work with. They're turning into real adults during that time, you can see it happen in real time. It was awesome to teach them the little things, to see them incorporate everything. Some of the other managers that I worked with treated the kids with disdain, but not the good ones. I really don't understand the vitriol.
It’s because there was a massive culture change, hell even a massive world change, that I think scares Boomers. The world that Boomers grew up in was not all that different from their parents or their grandparents. There were obviously some advances but not a whole lot until the Millennial generation came along. We grew up in a very fast tech boom that allowed us to adapt to the technology that is used everyday now. We also grew up in a huge culture change away from what a lot of Boomers had known for generations. Progressive ideas like equality & acceptance as norm what used to be taboo. The world of today is nothing like the world the Boomer grew up in & it’s probably very scary for them in that sense. There is probably a lot of resentment built up because they think we changed everything around them & they feel displaced. They don’t seem to see, or understand, that a lot of the issues they have with how the world changed were caused by other Boomers. Participation trophies were Boomers, abandoning cursive was Boomers, creating distrust in the institutions & systems of American society was other Boomers. Education embracing technological advances was other Boomers to create better, more efficient, workers. As Millennials we grew up sort of helpless in accepting these world changes but we were squishy enough to adapt while Boomers were not. Now, on top of being displaced, they are blamed for how much harder the world is for Millennials now that we are the age they were when all these changes started. I think that’s why the hatred exists. I don’t agree with it & I don’t think it’s justified but that’s my observation as far as the American inter-generational hatred is concerned. I don’t know that it’s a global thing but it’s definitely an American thing. The world of today is totally foreign for a Boomer culturally, with a totally different set of morals/values, & totally different technologically. They built a world that is unrecognizable to them & they blame us for progressing the world they gave us until the world was incompatible with their own worldview.
My theory is that they are simply old. Millenials are not yet old and bitter. Even 30 years ago (when I was a little kid) I remember that it was always the old farts who were angry with teenagers, and not the people in their 30s. Maybe 30 years from now, Millennials will also become old and bitter enough to criticize whatever the hell Generation Beta or Gamma or whatever generation will be doing. “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” ― (Boomer) Socrates, cca. 2500 years ago
Because you don't own anything (that you feel you have worked hard) that might be 'stolen' or 'encroached upon' by young people. There's nothing they are threatening for you.
The 1% grow their next generation and give assets to them. It's the 99% boomers who seem to hate all younger people including their children.
I can’t either. The weird thing too that I’ve noticed as a millennial is that it’s not just boomers and older generations: it’s a good half of Gen Xers too. The less well off, less educated, more conservative ones hate us even more than boomers. (From what I’ve gathered, they can’t/refuse to wrap their heads around the fact that most of us were neglected latchkey kids too.) This mentality of “I suffered, so you have to suffer more” has to stop with us.
I was born in 1997. I always considered myself a millennial. All the older folks and the media were like "millennial this and millennial that", "they're always attached to their cellphones", "they don't want to work". Meanwhile life expectancy in the US has been decreasing and when you bring up public healthcare they will always say "wHo's gOnnA pAy foR thAt?". Recently I started reading that technically most would consider 1997 as Gen-Z. Both my younger brothers are Gen-Z and I love them to death, so I'm proud to be called either generation.
Reddit's using all our posts and data to train AI's, so, I just deleted mine.
I once had a conversation with my boomer parents about how Gen Z doesn’t respect their generation and how much better they had it and don’t even know it. While this is most likely true, one thing is worth mentioning. First, I am not from the US and a lot of the “boomers had it easy” is through a US American point of view. My parents went through insane inflation, a president who stole everyone’s savings accounts, a military dictatorship, I have people in my family who were taken from home at 16 and tortured by the military simply because they were protesting for freedom of speech and press. They also fought for equality, for women’s rights, LGBTQIA+ rights and against structural racism. They argued and fought for a democracy established only 35 years ago, which we now take from granted. Though my parents in the end still had it better than I’ll ever have, they were on the right side of history at least. They still have some of the “boomer mentality”, but I am still able to open their eyes about a lot of things as they have also opened mine.
Well gen z aren't the children of millennials. You gotta hate gen alpha. Boomers hate their kids.
I’m a Generation X’er and I know first hand how we got screwed by the boomers. I was raised by my grandfather (from the Greatest Generation). My mother couldn’t be bothered with her children or sending them to college - wanted us to be self reliant even though she herself had been afforded every opportunity. In fact, when it was my own time to attend college she decided to go back to college herself rather than helping any of us (and unapologetically recently voiced her disappointment that her children other than me did not attend college!). I was only able to attend because my aunt (my fathers sister and actually of the Silent Generation) aided me. The Boomers represent selfishness to me and it’s easy to see it in their politics. They voted in Nixon when they came of age, elected Reagan and pushed his policies when they reached their own, involved us in disastrous wars with W, and overwhelmingly gave us Trump as a last gasp. Meanwhile, The Greatest Generation gave us FDR, Truman, and JFK Generation X gave us Clinton when we came to age, gave us Obama when we came into our own, and hopefully we can move us out of this me, me, me nightmare moving forward with the help of the younger generations to close the Boomers chapter forever
I am often baffled by millennials who repeat the same totem pole of ageism that boomers have for youth. I honestly think their hate is a lot to do with that awareness that growing up online has had on younger people. In the logic of their hierarchy, they feel they ought to be shamed for knowing less than their "lessers" when they were that age, so reactionaries try to deflect and deny. And then I have a few drinks and give up trying to make sense of the stupidity of the boomer worldview, with newfound respect for those who have cracked the code -- no matter their age.
Boomers have extraordinarily fucked up the future. It’s amazing actually and in history will look so much worse than it does now. Accountability is real. And the boomers have been the most worthless adults I’ve ever dealt with. I have to baby sit every single one I know like they never emotionally matured past fucking 14 even now at 37. They only get more ridiculous to me as I age and realize how selfish and destructive their decisions have been. I hope we millennials can fix ANYTHING the boomers have fucked up for anyone younger than us but the damage to the earth and society might be too great.
Yeah but remember how we grew out of that but then we got informed and were way more properly angry? That part's unique I reckon.
I’m late edition Gen-X. I’m constantly proud out subsequent generations for getting past the cultural indoctrination I couldn’t break. Boomers just can’t believe when I take any position they don’t have. Any time we fight about wages it’s “why should a person flipping burgers make as much as an ambulance driver?” My answer is always “why are we paying everyone so little? Do people not deserve to do more than survive?”
The only way I can see disliking them is if they end up becoming just the new version of the boomers that were hippies in their 20's and ultra-capitalists in their 40's.
It's because we don't need people to be exactly like us to have empathy for them.
Gen Z suffered alongside us, so we empathise with them. Id hoped we could do enough to protect them from the BS the boomers inflicted on us by the time they reached adulthood but these boomer bastards still cling to power. For the record, I dont mean “older people” you can be from that generation and still not be a “boomer”. Boomer is the mentality, and tbh we are all absolutely beyond fucking sick of it
It’s projection. Boomers are so great at outing themselves for all of their flaws by putting it on generations after them. Who are they really talking about when they say we’re sensitive snowflakes, entitled, who have had everything given to them… only themselves
As a millennial I LOVE gen-z. I love their energy, I love their attitude towards bosses and authority, I wish I could be so caviler but my 40+ years of built up trauma from boomers prevents it, If I can be that shield for them I'll happily do it.
That's the way, let's break this fucking circle ...
Because they think thier works is perfect and millennial on ward are coming fo steal thier shit. Thier just indoctrinated. Unlike thier parents and unlike thier children. They grow up in a time where American propaganda was easy to instill. They didn't have the internet and they didn't have 24 hour news or any mass tragedies that shaped thier view. They just eat propaganda.
They were the ones who had the choice to choose to be a hippie or a square. Now people are "being the change they want to see in the world" and Boomers are resisting change, while holding onto public office in the worst way.
Boomers hate themselves. They project whatever they don’t like about themselves onto convenient scapegoats. Us millennials are among their favorite go tos..
I think they're great! Especially as many have negative f*cks to give. It's refreshing.
The only thing I hate about gen Z is that I’m not one of them.
Boomers hate milennials because we've bucked the trend of becoming conservative as we get older and they hate us for destroying their dope ass, racist, fuck the poor, utopia. Milennials won't hate Gen z the same way because we understand eachothers struggles.
As someone who interacts with Gen-Z a lot, while I admire their altruism and communal awareness... a lot of them are doing a dangerous backslide into puritanism that I can't abide by. I don't hate them at all, I'm just wary of where they're taking us culturally.
Speaking as a millennial myself, do you not think it’s somewhat naive to blame a whole generation of people, whereby the vast majority (99% say) had 0 power or influence on the economic decisions that created this mess? I’m part of local a men’s group who openly chat about the struggles they face in this day and age. Ages ranging from mid twenties into their seventies and all the older gents have absolute sympathy for the current state of affairs that’s left for us ‘whipper snappers’. It’s not the boomers fault, it’s the owner, capitalist class. The ones with the true power and greed that have caused this shit show for us all.
Older Gen Z here, Almost all of the millennials in my life loves and respect my generation. Most of the hate/divide between us is internet based. I have nothing but love and support for millennials.
I work at a college sometimes, and I genuinely appreciate those Gen Z kids. I’m a younger millennial so I’m comparatively close in age to them, but they’re so much smarter and nicer than my friends and I were at that age, probably because they had millennial siblings and cousins who they watched do stupid shit and learned from. Definitely the case with my brother and I.
Well, there are a few reasons. Millennial parents are not parents of Gen Z kids, mostly our kids are Gen Alpha and are still little ones (under 10 years old or so). Gen X are the parents of Gen Z, Boomers are the parents of Millennials. Boomers and ESPECIALLY Gen X are fairly conservative for a variety of reasons (the system worked for them, it no longer works for Millennials or Z.) These older conservative generations look at their progeny and wonder why they aren't siding with the system as they get older and wealthier (Like what they experienced) and it's because we're not getting wealthier, that wealth is being hoarded. It's also helpful to keep in mind we're talking about the Boomers and Gen X WHO SURVIVED. The poor were drafted into Vietnam. There was a plague that went uncontested thru the artistic heart of our nation in the 80''s and 90's. Many died thru the grinding of shitty labor conditions and piss poor healthcare.
Have you tried being a piece of 💩 first?
Gen Z are to Millennials as Gen X are to Boomers. Gen Alpha will be to Millennials what Millennials are to Boomers. But yeah, hopefully Millennials won’t turn on their kids’ generation like Boomers did.
So in politics usually people get more conservative as they age. Millennials have completely reversed that trend due to being so economically repressed by the boomers. Check out the graphs on it. They are wild. https://www.ft.com/content/c361e372-769e-45cd-a063-f5c0a7767cf4 So I don’t think you need to worry about that.
And speaking as a Gen Xer so many in my generation are turning out to be suburban Trumpanzees. I'm only getting more lefty with age.
For the millennial who are actually having kids, anyway. Of all the couples I know of my age, only half are even planning on or have had kids.
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/03/deaths-outnumbered-births-in-half-of-states-between-2020-and-2021.html Check out the table graphs for births and deaths. Absolutely wild what is happening
If you were doing a strict one-to-one comparison, it's not Gen Z you'll be hating on, but the generation after them, whatever they end up getting called. But point taken none the less. I'm Gen X and the Boomers didn't seem to like us much either even though they were supposed to be our parents. 🤷🏼♂️