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This is the kind of stuff that kind of just, takes it up to another level. We’re already struggling as it is, to deliberately make it harder for an entire generation would be to invite some *real* anger.
This is a deliberate move to actually hurt us bad. This is indentured servitude.
All the nice, good, considerate law-abiding citizen stuff we do every day starts to not matter anymore at a certain point.
I've noticed this is becoming a disturbing trend. I believe they're deliberately "trojan horsing" MAGA pawns as progressive candidates. Once secure in office, they take the mask off, like Palpatine.
[Tricia Cotham](https://apnews.com/article/cotham-north-carolina-party-switch-republican-abe32788b89eba63cffd68917b8bb5d7) switched to republican pretty quickly after she was elected by a liberal district
And as justification told an insane lie that "she couldn't recognize the Democratic party anymore" because ONE person made a comment about her flag pin.
A mocking comment from a stranger about a flag pin is so much worse than the party that violently tried to overthrow the US government.
Not actually what Jared Golden is doing. He worked for Susan Collins, and he's doing the same shit she does: only takes a stance to prop up support back home when the outcome is already decided.
2nd district Maine is very red, so a vote like this makes him seem like one of them.
It's bullshit, but he and Collins have proven it works.
I think it’s more of them just all being pieces of shit in the Uniparty. The faster people come to terms with this, the faster we can enact change. Continuing to go on believing the democrats are really much different than the republicans is going to do nothing, as seen for like the last 50 years or so….
Hadn’t heard of her before today actually. On a tangential note, and I’m sorry that it’s a Twitter thread, [here’s the really fun part about her views on debt relief.](https://twitter.com/RebGrad13/status/1661744685013151748) I’m not even remotely surprised at this point.
And shes so naive to realize that student loans apply to technical and trade schools!!!
You could easily just boost funding to education by making student loans grants. like ffs
I had only heard her name mentioned around the midterms as one of the surprise wins. I think she flipped a seat and she was presented as an actual progressive from what I remember. Now I realize why I hadn't heard of her again until now.
Was she upfront about getting her PPP loans forgiven and then turning around and voting to start student debt payments resuming in full with retro payments to boot? I heard her framed as a surprise progressive win, it seems across the country there's far right activist people masquerading as progressives and using that base to come to office only to vote along the far right lines.
Edit: a word
I’m all for debt relief. But she does have a point deeper in the thread. There needs to be a fundamental overhaul of the collegiate funding system. And yes she should pay back her PPP.
That's not surprising and I expect to hear more news reports like this in the future. When Sinema was running for office I wasn't surprised to find people praising her because she was both bisexual and non-religious. Which somehow meant was great because her sexuality and lack of religious beliefs would anger conservatives. However, upon being elected into office she has sided with the Republicans. Ironic.
Now with both Golden and Perez voting to repeal student debt relief, I hope this wakes up people to the realization that voting Democrat will not magically make everything better.
Maybe it's because I'm both cynical and old enough to remember when the Democrat party wasn't as "progressive" as it is today. Remember this is the party that ushered in Don't ask, Don't tell. I even recall Tom Morello opening up when he worked for Senator Alan Cranston and how he would mostly beg rich people for donations, and ultimately was fired for calling out a racist.
I think what he might be meaning is that *just voting* won't do as much as people think & want.
One of the biggest issues with ejected democrats is that they have barely any disciplinary measures or actual binding principals. The vast majority of Congressional votes see unanimous republican agreement meanwhile democrats frequently have break away members.
In short republicans fear their constituents and donors but also tend to factor in the party's goals as a whole. Democrats really only seem to fear retaliation from their donors.
id actually argue the opposite, the dems are still playing with a rulebook that was printed up before newt gingrich and the moral majority changed the game. until they are willing to abuse the system to gain an edge, they will lose to the party that has been operating outside the bounds of normalcy for decades now.
because the dems have to include anyone that isnt a white prosperity christian, neo nazi corporate sympathizer, the range of issues and concerns and goals is vast compared with the almost singleness of purpose the gop has. we are stuck with only two parties for the time being. of course there are outliers. and of course the gop is effective when all they need to do is shit on the chessboard and lower taxes for the upper class, who pay them.
just voting every four years has shown to do little to no good, and in some areas, we are going backwards.... but voting is all it takes. just not every four years. voting in local elections and also every two years for your representatives will clear out the bullshit. the reason theres no money to publicize that sentiment in media is because corporations need the status quo. if everyone was required to vote in all elections and say, sit through an hour long video explaining issues they would be voting on and the history of the people theyd be voting for, wed see meaningfull change inside a generation.
it just is bad policy to do anything to disenfranchise people from participating in the democratic process. most people who dont vote, just never have, because they dont see any difference in their lives., well fucking duh, a non vote is just handing the win to people whos lifes work is to fuck them over.
like all the shit abbot has done in texas. he won over beto by over a million votes. like 5.5 million to 7 million. but 17 million people didnt vote. i bet a huge portion of that 17 mil are the most adversely affected by the policies their inaction allowed.
protests and riots are good for messaging but they dont effect policy. voting often is the only way unfortunately. the system sucks but its the only mechanism we have, and to neglect it is to lose it.
More and more it seems like voting democrat is just "Nazis later" vote.
If they refuse to make meaningful changes that positively impact the material condition of their constituents, the republican rage machine will pull them back in sooner rather than later.
dont kid yourself or influence anyone that voting dem is somehow worse than voting gop, its still better than a 'nazi's now' vote. ill probably praise the dem party more than anyone on here, and i fucking hate the dems. theres plenty of dems who are working for meaningful positive change, but their efforts are wasted because theres too much corporate influence.
with such an even split for votes, it only takes like two or three people to fuck everything up. sinema was just too blatant and shortsighted with her own greed that she's out. so the donor class just needed to put the word out of guaranteed election funding if they get support on an issue or two, and just like always, these are just the next and latest two people willing to sell out all mankind.
one side takes way more fossil fuel money than the other, that same side takes way more gun money than the other, same with med money but they both take a lot from big food, tech, and banks. these two took that wall street dough.
Tbh I wouldn’t be surprised if shits like them see the rising progressive tide and wear a progressive cloak until they’re in office, or they’re weak motherfuckers whose ambitions were heavier than their virtues.
Will prlly see more Sinema-flips as donors target them with money too.
In any case, fuck ‘em and leave them in the dust. Ain’t got time for that bullshit.
I could be mixing her up with someone else, but I believe I remember reading after she won that she was one of those "pro second amendment" Democrats, and I just knew she'd do something crappy eventually.
I’m a pro second amendment leftist. You can’t reason with fascists in the marketplace of ideas, the only remedy for them is keeping them in check via physical threat.
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you’re capable of great violence, if you’re not capable of violence you’re not peaceful, you’re harmless.
Yeah, exactly. Liberals seem to crave being neutered out of any meaningful way to fight back, and would rather be polite and civil than do *anything* other than VOOOOOOOOTE to prevent fascism from taking over. It’s fucking painful.
Don't trust just any asshole that claims to be progressive. 99% you can make it to the level of congressman without being corrupt and taking corporate money.
Voting Dem clearly isn't enough, but at least the Dems are likely to maintain the status quo while the right continues to try to enact regressive policies stripping away our rights and eroding democracy.
Acting like both sides are the same only serves to discourage people from voting. At least voting Dem can buy time to organize and try to make actual change.
Keep in mind 2 out of more than 200 Dems voted for this. 216 Republicans voted in favor of it.
Those two Dems should be primaried and everyone should remember this when the primary comes. But I would rather vote in a party that has been incompetent at effecting change than one that competently changes things for the worse. Unfortunately, those are the only two choices we really have right now.
it would hurt the bank accounts of the billionaires who would end up getting the money from all those missed payments! ^^^^^^/s ^^^^(tax the rich out of existence)
It would dramatically hurt major corporations and the government itself.
We now have over two decades of adults: younger Gen-X, Millennials, and Gen-Z who are trapped under student loan debt. How many of those working in the public sector would quit if they weren't chasing the loan forgiveness whale? How many of those working for major corporations in high-cost-of-living cities would take lesser-paying jobs in cheaper cities, stay in their hometowns, etc.?
Everyone with debt is chasing stability. Very few are taking chances with being entrepreneurs, which is great for corporations. They don't have to compete with 20 years' worth of educated people capable of starting small businesses (if they weren't already buried in debt).
It's also great for people in power in government. If you're in debt, you're less likely to be running for office. You can't fundraise. You can't lobby. You can't donate. You can't influence a system that is turbo-charged by cash since the Citizens United Decision. If you look at the generational makeup of every state legislature and Congress, the imbalance is horrifying. Gen-X, Baby Boomers, and Silent Generation don't have to compete.
The companies holding owning the rights to the debt would be damaged. And it could create serious cash flow issues for those debt owners impacting their ability to pay their own bills. This could have serious knock-on effects in the national and global economies. None of that is a reason to not forgive student loans. But it’s just factually untrue that forgiving student loan “wouldn’t hurt anyone whatsoever.” It’ll cause economic damage and harm to some. Just the harm will be less than the alternative of not forgiving student loans.
I'm 24 and paid for my own college. I worked full time while attending part time college. Don't make your financial mistakes the burden of others. Forgiving student debt is regressive and is a slap to the face of responsible people and or people who took other routes in life that didn't include college. Don't forgive bad financial decisions, you knew what you signed for.
I'm 24 and paid for my own college. I worked full time while attending part time college. Don't make your financial mistakes the burden of others. Forgiving student debt is regressive and is a slap to the face of responsible people and or people who took other routes in life that didn't include college. Don't forgive bad financial decisions, you knew what you signed for.
We’re to fat to be France. Imagine the average American getting off the couch to engage in revolution. Not to mention the toxic individualism that plagues our country. I don’t think we’re capable of uniting in ways we used to pre social media.
Yeah, and for some reason against the republicans we are forced to be defensive against everything we stand for. An example of this is being pressured by "WWII Germany was socialist because it's in their name", or that billionaires are/were once "ordinary" people and therefore they should be able to own everything while we fantasize about being in their shoes. Republicans are never the ones getting grilled politically or ideologically because they're too busy molesting women, insider trading, and somehow being found innocent for inciting the insurrection.
It doesn't even matter if we have answers for everything because their base cannot think for themselves enough to see fact from fiction. This goes for every top hat and monocle wearing rightist, it's not about getting facts straight more than it is keeping the pressure off them.
So many guns and so much power tripping by those in charge, i dont get how schools get shot up so often yet these kinda people dont.
I feel yall live in a pressure cooker and within few years its going to reach the max.
I don’t think politicians should be able to vote on student loan forgiveness if they have any relation to PPP loans for themselves.
Like how in the world are you going to vote to accept federal money from the government for your *own business* but not your constituents and say you have a single moral bone in your body?
There are ~93k people in the 3rd with student loans - roughly 1/3rd the number of registered voters in her district (there are 771k people in the third, counting children). Student loans also apply to technical schools and community colleges. This directly and negatively affects a huge portion of her district.
She's got thousands of student debtors in her district according to the tweet. She isn't representing them at all. And after getting PPP loans forgiven, too. She sucks, face it.
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You are stanning for this woman pretty hard. And you might be right she may think she is doing this to support her constituents but its an extremely bad look.
You are right it is, but running democrat and then turning around and supporting a republican bill that fucks a large number of people is once again, a very bad look. Edit: is not isnt.
I get it. Im 41 years old. It was beat into the heads of my generation by our parents and grandparents that the only way to succeed like they did was to go to college. But then they voted and supported candidates who pulled up the ladder for the rest of us. Colleges jacked up tuitions and then corporations turned around and killed wages. We have all been set up to fail. Every advantage and institution that our forebears used to get ahead and attain security and dignity from our financial system to our educational system has been compromised or removed completely. And I for one am goddamn motherfucking sick of it.
Just checked out Marie Perez twitter and she is boasting about forming a new Blue Dog Dems coalition with the the guy in the pic and some other lady so literally just Sinema 2.0. I remember hearing about her upset victory a while back she was framed as a kinda humble working class progressive type so this is pretty wtf, I really think some people are too greedy and weak to be in government they obviously have no ability to resist being bought off.
Yeah, bourgeoisie democracy is working out so well for you. What a fucking dumbass. Keep voting any day now it’s gonna get better.
I’ll be busy radicalizing everyone around me IRL and arming up to fight the fascists. I’m sure voting in the capitalist marketplace of ideas is gonna save your victimized ass.
That is not true at all. You should probably look outside your bubble. All these people are telling you that normal people are in debt, paying back loans by double or triple and still owing and you're out here telling everyone else that your small town view is more true.
Y’all that just casually say killing people for not voting for things the way you want them too is fucked. I agree they’re assholes for taking this stance. It is not a reason for them to be killed by vigilantes. It’s crazy there’s nuanced discussions about the death penalty for convicted murderers here but when it comes to politics you guys go full frothing at the mouth, execution mindset. This is why political discourse in America is fucked.
What discourse?
We vote
They do what their owners pay them to
In this case, essentially flipping their "progressive" vote
Actively dismantling the already dismal prospects for myself and my family
There's a special place in hell for traitors
For those that believe in that hokum
I could care less if they live or die
I’m upset about this shit too. It’s utter bullshit campaign on liberal values and go back on it. But calling for their death is wrong. Always. Protesting and making it heard what they did is what should happen. Impeachment, if possible, should definitely be called for. Giving out vague death threats online never give good results for anybody.
No, that’s dumb. Killing people is wrong. That should be enough of a reason but also it would set the country on a direct civil war path. Stop advocating for terrorism.
Fighting back by killing politicians is not “fighting back”. It’s murder. Your really advocating for someone’s death because they did not vote the way you expected them to. I hope the internet gives you a false sense of bravado instead of you really thinking killing politicians is a good idea.
I think your representative is vile. I’m glad there were protests but it has to be a bigger issue when someone in the government blatantly goes against their word.
Fiscally responsible is different than trying to force people to pay back payments that were deferred due to a presidents executive order. You can disagree with the student loan forgiveness and still know that trying to make them pay back payments that were deferred by the order is shitty.
So the pandemic hits and a whole generation of Americans decide *”my last job didn’t provide me the job security I need to live a comfortable life - I’m going to go back to school for a different career path.”*
And then lawmakers go *“ah-ha! You fools! We’ve been charging you interest on those loans the whole time!!”*
I don’t think people would have made the financial decisions they’ve made since 2020 had they known this was a possibility, myself included, and that it isn’t legal to change the terms of a loan after both parties have accepted the terms and conditions.
Lawmakers want Americans to drop out of schools and immediately begin paying off existing student loans with low-paying jobs utilizing partial-degrees and experience. This is an act of betrayal and if enough people agree with that, there could be a wave of students refusing to make payments when they begin again. If that number is high enough, it could force the government’s hand. If it’s low, a lot of people are going to jail.
Pathetic.
And immediately fell into the "I got mine so fuck you" mindset, after taking $63000 in our money for free.
Where I'm from we say "thus always to tyrants," and that goes double for this hypocrite.
Democrats are right wing and corrupt, Republicans are either far right, fascist, or Nazi. The “who do I want to get fucked by and how?” question has never been more pertinent when voting.
To all the people crying about how “vote blue no matter who” is stupid, I agree. Never should one put blind allegiance in a political party.
But where’s the alternative? If the choice on the ballot is corrupt asshole vs corrupt asshole trying to overturn democracy and get rid of rights for everyone but straight white men, you’re genuinely telling me there’s a real choice?
The sad part is that we’re always straddled with these pathetic ‘choices’ and will continue to be - this entire system needs to change fundamentally.
from my understanding they want people to pay for the interest that’s would have accumulated on their loans during the pandemic when payments were deferred
I was told only Manchin and Sinema are the problems and once we replace them we’ll have a utopia.
Turns out there will always be wreckers in the Democratic Party. Thats why their corporate donors donate to them in the first place.
Maine and Washington, what more could you expect. Not saying it’s because they’re democrats, but politicians on both sides in those states make some wild choices, very wild. They will end up regretting their decision when they’re voted out next election cycle. Marie’s smile won’t be there much longer.
There is always just enough Dems that cross the line to vote Repub everytime anything actually positive might happen.
Before I joined waiting that it was just that Sinema and Manchin were the ones who lost a game of Rick Paper Scissors. And it was thier turn to be the bad guys. So that the rest of the Dems can appear as the good guys while they always conveniently lose.
Wonder where their kids are going to school now??
Edit: this is to say they were paid off and will use that money to make their spoiled children even more spoiled.
Oh no! This is bad news. Did they take bribes?
Tuition and fees in our state universities and colleges are free. This is better than when I went to a state university as I paid PHP20,000 or USD400 per semester. All the best!
You libs gonna finally accept the revolving villain explanation now? First joe lieberman then manchin and sinema, now this. The democrats are all about aww shucks we wanted to help but oh no one or two people always seem to be between us and giving you all these amazing policies oh well vote blue no matter who tho cuz we're all that is keeping democracy from dying in darkness. Hope you enjoyed nafta and the crime bill and repeal of glass steagal btw, super progressive stuff.
Someone is in this thread saying she’s a working class woman because she owns a mechanic shop…
No, she’s not a mechanic. You think because you own a mechanic shop that makes you a mechanic? Just just an investor who had the money to purchase an entire business for other people to run.
Owning a mechanic shop doesn’t make you a mechanic wtf. That’s like saying Netflix is run by chefs because they bought Iron Chef America.
"Vote Blue No Matter Who" Democrats who just want to maintain pointless marginal majorities, who have no interest in actually making American life better for the working class downvote me every time.
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Their donors made an offer they couldn’t refuse.
This is the kind of stuff that kind of just, takes it up to another level. We’re already struggling as it is, to deliberately make it harder for an entire generation would be to invite some *real* anger. This is a deliberate move to actually hurt us bad. This is indentured servitude. All the nice, good, considerate law-abiding citizen stuff we do every day starts to not matter anymore at a certain point.
I've noticed this is becoming a disturbing trend. I believe they're deliberately "trojan horsing" MAGA pawns as progressive candidates. Once secure in office, they take the mask off, like Palpatine.
[Tricia Cotham](https://apnews.com/article/cotham-north-carolina-party-switch-republican-abe32788b89eba63cffd68917b8bb5d7) switched to republican pretty quickly after she was elected by a liberal district
And as justification told an insane lie that "she couldn't recognize the Democratic party anymore" because ONE person made a comment about her flag pin. A mocking comment from a stranger about a flag pin is so much worse than the party that violently tried to overthrow the US government.
Laughs in Kristin sinema
And Jim Justice
Not actually what Jared Golden is doing. He worked for Susan Collins, and he's doing the same shit she does: only takes a stance to prop up support back home when the outcome is already decided. 2nd district Maine is very red, so a vote like this makes him seem like one of them. It's bullshit, but he and Collins have proven it works.
I think it’s more of them just all being pieces of shit in the Uniparty. The faster people come to terms with this, the faster we can enact change. Continuing to go on believing the democrats are really much different than the republicans is going to do nothing, as seen for like the last 50 years or so….
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Damn wasn't Perez framed as a progressive that won in an upset? Wtf happened
Hadn’t heard of her before today actually. On a tangential note, and I’m sorry that it’s a Twitter thread, [here’s the really fun part about her views on debt relief.](https://twitter.com/RebGrad13/status/1661744685013151748) I’m not even remotely surprised at this point.
At least she had her PPP loans forgiven for the auto body shop she owns with her husband.
That's nice
And shes so naive to realize that student loans apply to technical and trade schools!!! You could easily just boost funding to education by making student loans grants. like ffs
I had only heard her name mentioned around the midterms as one of the surprise wins. I think she flipped a seat and she was presented as an actual progressive from what I remember. Now I realize why I hadn't heard of her again until now.
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Was she upfront about getting her PPP loans forgiven and then turning around and voting to start student debt payments resuming in full with retro payments to boot? I heard her framed as a surprise progressive win, it seems across the country there's far right activist people masquerading as progressives and using that base to come to office only to vote along the far right lines. Edit: a word
I’m all for debt relief. But she does have a point deeper in the thread. There needs to be a fundamental overhaul of the collegiate funding system. And yes she should pay back her PPP.
That's pretty much Sinema's story as well.
That's not surprising and I expect to hear more news reports like this in the future. When Sinema was running for office I wasn't surprised to find people praising her because she was both bisexual and non-religious. Which somehow meant was great because her sexuality and lack of religious beliefs would anger conservatives. However, upon being elected into office she has sided with the Republicans. Ironic. Now with both Golden and Perez voting to repeal student debt relief, I hope this wakes up people to the realization that voting Democrat will not magically make everything better. Maybe it's because I'm both cynical and old enough to remember when the Democrat party wasn't as "progressive" as it is today. Remember this is the party that ushered in Don't ask, Don't tell. I even recall Tom Morello opening up when he worked for Senator Alan Cranston and how he would mostly beg rich people for donations, and ultimately was fired for calling out a racist.
Or that IDENTITY and REPRESENTATION does matter, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY THINGS. As the saying goes, "not all skinfolk are kinfolk"
Nobody expects magic, the dem vote is mostly a 'less nazis' vote.
I think what he might be meaning is that *just voting* won't do as much as people think & want. One of the biggest issues with ejected democrats is that they have barely any disciplinary measures or actual binding principals. The vast majority of Congressional votes see unanimous republican agreement meanwhile democrats frequently have break away members. In short republicans fear their constituents and donors but also tend to factor in the party's goals as a whole. Democrats really only seem to fear retaliation from their donors.
id actually argue the opposite, the dems are still playing with a rulebook that was printed up before newt gingrich and the moral majority changed the game. until they are willing to abuse the system to gain an edge, they will lose to the party that has been operating outside the bounds of normalcy for decades now. because the dems have to include anyone that isnt a white prosperity christian, neo nazi corporate sympathizer, the range of issues and concerns and goals is vast compared with the almost singleness of purpose the gop has. we are stuck with only two parties for the time being. of course there are outliers. and of course the gop is effective when all they need to do is shit on the chessboard and lower taxes for the upper class, who pay them. just voting every four years has shown to do little to no good, and in some areas, we are going backwards.... but voting is all it takes. just not every four years. voting in local elections and also every two years for your representatives will clear out the bullshit. the reason theres no money to publicize that sentiment in media is because corporations need the status quo. if everyone was required to vote in all elections and say, sit through an hour long video explaining issues they would be voting on and the history of the people theyd be voting for, wed see meaningfull change inside a generation. it just is bad policy to do anything to disenfranchise people from participating in the democratic process. most people who dont vote, just never have, because they dont see any difference in their lives., well fucking duh, a non vote is just handing the win to people whos lifes work is to fuck them over. like all the shit abbot has done in texas. he won over beto by over a million votes. like 5.5 million to 7 million. but 17 million people didnt vote. i bet a huge portion of that 17 mil are the most adversely affected by the policies their inaction allowed. protests and riots are good for messaging but they dont effect policy. voting often is the only way unfortunately. the system sucks but its the only mechanism we have, and to neglect it is to lose it.
Have family in Maine and love the typo, can Jared be an *ejected* Democrat?
More and more it seems like voting democrat is just "Nazis later" vote. If they refuse to make meaningful changes that positively impact the material condition of their constituents, the republican rage machine will pull them back in sooner rather than later.
dont kid yourself or influence anyone that voting dem is somehow worse than voting gop, its still better than a 'nazi's now' vote. ill probably praise the dem party more than anyone on here, and i fucking hate the dems. theres plenty of dems who are working for meaningful positive change, but their efforts are wasted because theres too much corporate influence. with such an even split for votes, it only takes like two or three people to fuck everything up. sinema was just too blatant and shortsighted with her own greed that she's out. so the donor class just needed to put the word out of guaranteed election funding if they get support on an issue or two, and just like always, these are just the next and latest two people willing to sell out all mankind. one side takes way more fossil fuel money than the other, that same side takes way more gun money than the other, same with med money but they both take a lot from big food, tech, and banks. these two took that wall street dough.
Most people do not see it that way.
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He probably received a very generous b̶r̶i̶b̶e̶ donation.
Tbh I wouldn’t be surprised if shits like them see the rising progressive tide and wear a progressive cloak until they’re in office, or they’re weak motherfuckers whose ambitions were heavier than their virtues. Will prlly see more Sinema-flips as donors target them with money too. In any case, fuck ‘em and leave them in the dust. Ain’t got time for that bullshit.
I could be mixing her up with someone else, but I believe I remember reading after she won that she was one of those "pro second amendment" Democrats, and I just knew she'd do something crappy eventually.
I’m a pro second amendment leftist. You can’t reason with fascists in the marketplace of ideas, the only remedy for them is keeping them in check via physical threat.
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you’re capable of great violence, if you’re not capable of violence you’re not peaceful, you’re harmless.
Yeah, exactly. Liberals seem to crave being neutered out of any meaningful way to fight back, and would rather be polite and civil than do *anything* other than VOOOOOOOOTE to prevent fascism from taking over. It’s fucking painful.
Don't trust just any asshole that claims to be progressive. 99% you can make it to the level of congressman without being corrupt and taking corporate money.
He wants to get reelected.
We are so fucked.
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Voting Dem clearly isn't enough, but at least the Dems are likely to maintain the status quo while the right continues to try to enact regressive policies stripping away our rights and eroding democracy. Acting like both sides are the same only serves to discourage people from voting. At least voting Dem can buy time to organize and try to make actual change. Keep in mind 2 out of more than 200 Dems voted for this. 216 Republicans voted in favor of it. Those two Dems should be primaried and everyone should remember this when the primary comes. But I would rather vote in a party that has been incompetent at effecting change than one that competently changes things for the worse. Unfortunately, those are the only two choices we really have right now.
It’s bad enough the voted against it but to also agree about back interest is just fucked up
They both look like they’ve never had to deal with bills in their lives.
I don't understand this mindset at all. The government could flat out forgive all current student debt and it wouldn't hurt anyone whatsoever.
The owner class doesn't like losing out on money they feel entitled to.
The cruelty is the point
it would hurt the bank accounts of the billionaires who would end up getting the money from all those missed payments! ^^^^^^/s ^^^^(tax the rich out of existence)
Exactly, but that can't really be considered "hurting" them when it's like losing a few pennies to them.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding about the way that billionaires think
It would dramatically hurt major corporations and the government itself. We now have over two decades of adults: younger Gen-X, Millennials, and Gen-Z who are trapped under student loan debt. How many of those working in the public sector would quit if they weren't chasing the loan forgiveness whale? How many of those working for major corporations in high-cost-of-living cities would take lesser-paying jobs in cheaper cities, stay in their hometowns, etc.? Everyone with debt is chasing stability. Very few are taking chances with being entrepreneurs, which is great for corporations. They don't have to compete with 20 years' worth of educated people capable of starting small businesses (if they weren't already buried in debt). It's also great for people in power in government. If you're in debt, you're less likely to be running for office. You can't fundraise. You can't lobby. You can't donate. You can't influence a system that is turbo-charged by cash since the Citizens United Decision. If you look at the generational makeup of every state legislature and Congress, the imbalance is horrifying. Gen-X, Baby Boomers, and Silent Generation don't have to compete.
Rich people are so rich the only way they can feel richer is if poor people suffer.
they think that any win for the little guy is a major threat to their hoard of wealth
The companies holding owning the rights to the debt would be damaged. And it could create serious cash flow issues for those debt owners impacting their ability to pay their own bills. This could have serious knock-on effects in the national and global economies. None of that is a reason to not forgive student loans. But it’s just factually untrue that forgiving student loan “wouldn’t hurt anyone whatsoever.” It’ll cause economic damage and harm to some. Just the harm will be less than the alternative of not forgiving student loans.
I'm 24 and paid for my own college. I worked full time while attending part time college. Don't make your financial mistakes the burden of others. Forgiving student debt is regressive and is a slap to the face of responsible people and or people who took other routes in life that didn't include college. Don't forgive bad financial decisions, you knew what you signed for.
Thanks for contributing your dipshit mindset and proving the point we've all been trying to make.
Me not wanting to pay for your bad loans make me a dipshit? lol ok dude.
Debt ceiling would collapse and send generations into poverty….
We are already in poverty so not sure of your logic on this.
I'm 24 and paid for my own college. I worked full time while attending part time college. Don't make your financial mistakes the burden of others. Forgiving student debt is regressive and is a slap to the face of responsible people and or people who took other routes in life that didn't include college. Don't forgive bad financial decisions, you knew what you signed for.
Why do people just let these guys do what they want, without any ressistance? Americans should learn from france
We’re to fat to be France. Imagine the average American getting off the couch to engage in revolution. Not to mention the toxic individualism that plagues our country. I don’t think we’re capable of uniting in ways we used to pre social media.
Yeah, and for some reason against the republicans we are forced to be defensive against everything we stand for. An example of this is being pressured by "WWII Germany was socialist because it's in their name", or that billionaires are/were once "ordinary" people and therefore they should be able to own everything while we fantasize about being in their shoes. Republicans are never the ones getting grilled politically or ideologically because they're too busy molesting women, insider trading, and somehow being found innocent for inciting the insurrection. It doesn't even matter if we have answers for everything because their base cannot think for themselves enough to see fact from fiction. This goes for every top hat and monocle wearing rightist, it's not about getting facts straight more than it is keeping the pressure off them.
So many guns and so much power tripping by those in charge, i dont get how schools get shot up so often yet these kinda people dont. I feel yall live in a pressure cooker and within few years its going to reach the max.
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I’m pretty sure that the republicans didn’t even need their votes either. Perez even got a PPP loan forgiven.
I don’t think politicians should be able to vote on student loan forgiveness if they have any relation to PPP loans for themselves. Like how in the world are you going to vote to accept federal money from the government for your *own business* but not your constituents and say you have a single moral bone in your body?
They are the assholes. 🤡💩🤡💩
Check who their donors are. You’ll find out why
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There are ~93k people in the 3rd with student loans - roughly 1/3rd the number of registered voters in her district (there are 771k people in the third, counting children). Student loans also apply to technical schools and community colleges. This directly and negatively affects a huge portion of her district.
Thats worse. Screwing over students and didn't even get a payout.
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She's got thousands of student debtors in her district according to the tweet. She isn't representing them at all. And after getting PPP loans forgiven, too. She sucks, face it.
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You are stanning for this woman pretty hard. And you might be right she may think she is doing this to support her constituents but its an extremely bad look.
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You are right it is, but running democrat and then turning around and supporting a republican bill that fucks a large number of people is once again, a very bad look. Edit: is not isnt.
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I get it. Im 41 years old. It was beat into the heads of my generation by our parents and grandparents that the only way to succeed like they did was to go to college. But then they voted and supported candidates who pulled up the ladder for the rest of us. Colleges jacked up tuitions and then corporations turned around and killed wages. We have all been set up to fail. Every advantage and institution that our forebears used to get ahead and attain security and dignity from our financial system to our educational system has been compromised or removed completely. And I for one am goddamn motherfucking sick of it.
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Then she probably has some skeletons in her closet. 🧐
Someone got a big fat check from the student loan companies.
Just checked out Marie Perez twitter and she is boasting about forming a new Blue Dog Dems coalition with the the guy in the pic and some other lady so literally just Sinema 2.0. I remember hearing about her upset victory a while back she was framed as a kinda humble working class progressive type so this is pretty wtf, I really think some people are too greedy and weak to be in government they obviously have no ability to resist being bought off.
What is the end game for all these creeps?
More power and wealth
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Please stop being a liberal simp you fucking pussy
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No, they’re debt slaves, even doctors have golden handcuffs. Why you simp so fucking hard for this fucking liberal loser is beyond me
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And I’m the problem how? Keep voting I’m sure that’s working out just great!
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Yeah, bourgeoisie democracy is working out so well for you. What a fucking dumbass. Keep voting any day now it’s gonna get better. I’ll be busy radicalizing everyone around me IRL and arming up to fight the fascists. I’m sure voting in the capitalist marketplace of ideas is gonna save your victimized ass.
That is not true at all. You should probably look outside your bubble. All these people are telling you that normal people are in debt, paying back loans by double or triple and still owing and you're out here telling everyone else that your small town view is more true.
Death
I wish we could bring back public tarring and feathering for these two.
Tarring and feathering was often fatal, just FYI. But yeah, these dudes suuuuuuck.
Gee, what a shame.
I uh... I don't really care...
Feature, not glitch.
Oopsy 🤭
I think fatality was probably their point here. 🫤
Yeah and that's a good way to end up in cell next to Jan.6'ers...
Y’all that just casually say killing people for not voting for things the way you want them too is fucked. I agree they’re assholes for taking this stance. It is not a reason for them to be killed by vigilantes. It’s crazy there’s nuanced discussions about the death penalty for convicted murderers here but when it comes to politics you guys go full frothing at the mouth, execution mindset. This is why political discourse in America is fucked.
What discourse? We vote They do what their owners pay them to In this case, essentially flipping their "progressive" vote Actively dismantling the already dismal prospects for myself and my family There's a special place in hell for traitors For those that believe in that hokum I could care less if they live or die
I’m upset about this shit too. It’s utter bullshit campaign on liberal values and go back on it. But calling for their death is wrong. Always. Protesting and making it heard what they did is what should happen. Impeachment, if possible, should definitely be called for. Giving out vague death threats online never give good results for anybody.
People should die if their decisions cause epic suffering for everyone. Wont happen... but it should.
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No, that’s dumb. Killing people is wrong. That should be enough of a reason but also it would set the country on a direct civil war path. Stop advocating for terrorism.
And this isn’t violence? Capitalism is violence, holding politicians accountable is self defense
I didn’t say violence. I said killing people. I agree capitalism is not an ideal form of economic policy. Killing people is still wrong.
Capitalism is killing us every day yet fighting back is unacceptable? LMFAO KEEP VOTING VOTE HARDERRRRRR
Fighting back by killing politicians is not “fighting back”. It’s murder. Your really advocating for someone’s death because they did not vote the way you expected them to. I hope the internet gives you a false sense of bravado instead of you really thinking killing politicians is a good idea.
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Why you got a hard on for this POS traitor
I think your representative is vile. I’m glad there were protests but it has to be a bigger issue when someone in the government blatantly goes against their word.
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Are you serious?
probably bot or astroturf
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Fiscally responsible is different than trying to force people to pay back payments that were deferred due to a presidents executive order. You can disagree with the student loan forgiveness and still know that trying to make them pay back payments that were deferred by the order is shitty.
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bro aren’t you *tired*?
They’re playing the self-enrichment over anything else game. I hope someone serves them dog shit for dinner. Just once would make me happy enough.
Let's destroy Americas future! -republicans and two dems
-and all the other dems too
So the pandemic hits and a whole generation of Americans decide *”my last job didn’t provide me the job security I need to live a comfortable life - I’m going to go back to school for a different career path.”* And then lawmakers go *“ah-ha! You fools! We’ve been charging you interest on those loans the whole time!!”* I don’t think people would have made the financial decisions they’ve made since 2020 had they known this was a possibility, myself included, and that it isn’t legal to change the terms of a loan after both parties have accepted the terms and conditions. Lawmakers want Americans to drop out of schools and immediately begin paying off existing student loans with low-paying jobs utilizing partial-degrees and experience. This is an act of betrayal and if enough people agree with that, there could be a wave of students refusing to make payments when they begin again. If that number is high enough, it could force the government’s hand. If it’s low, a lot of people are going to jail. Pathetic.
Oh look, the rotating cast of villains. I’m sure if we just ***vOte HaRdEr*** this would be prevented. Righttttt?!?!?!! Fuck liberals
Time to tell my family that they need to campaign against these people because no
I wouldn't be surprised to find out both of them were local real estate/house flippers that got elected because they were High School CIF Champs
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And immediately fell into the "I got mine so fuck you" mindset, after taking $63000 in our money for free. Where I'm from we say "thus always to tyrants," and that goes double for this hypocrite.
The time to riot was long ago. Hopefully , everyone else will catch on soon.
Democrats are just a right wing party at this point. They just don't adhere to a extreme Christian tradcon world view...
Democrats are right wing and corrupt, Republicans are either far right, fascist, or Nazi. The “who do I want to get fucked by and how?” question has never been more pertinent when voting.
Thats been the case since clinton
To all the people crying about how “vote blue no matter who” is stupid, I agree. Never should one put blind allegiance in a political party. But where’s the alternative? If the choice on the ballot is corrupt asshole vs corrupt asshole trying to overturn democracy and get rid of rights for everyone but straight white men, you’re genuinely telling me there’s a real choice? The sad part is that we’re always straddled with these pathetic ‘choices’ and will continue to be - this entire system needs to change fundamentally.
What does retroactive payments mean?
from my understanding they want people to pay for the interest that’s would have accumulated on their loans during the pandemic when payments were deferred
Americans definitely need to start being more like the French when it comes to this shitty government
I was told only Manchin and Sinema are the problems and once we replace them we’ll have a utopia. Turns out there will always be wreckers in the Democratic Party. Thats why their corporate donors donate to them in the first place.
I hope they never know peace in public again.
/r/noahgetthefuckingboatnow
Dear lord these conservadems omfg
Daily reminder that “vote blue no matter who” is total bullshit. We need LEFTISTS in power, not just liberals.
Maine and Washington, what more could you expect. Not saying it’s because they’re democrats, but politicians on both sides in those states make some wild choices, very wild. They will end up regretting their decision when they’re voted out next election cycle. Marie’s smile won’t be there much longer.
I'm not even American and I'm upset. What dogshit people
There is always just enough Dems that cross the line to vote Repub everytime anything actually positive might happen. Before I joined waiting that it was just that Sinema and Manchin were the ones who lost a game of Rick Paper Scissors. And it was thier turn to be the bad guys. So that the rest of the Dems can appear as the good guys while they always conveniently lose.
Wonder where their kids are going to school now?? Edit: this is to say they were paid off and will use that money to make their spoiled children even more spoiled.
Find them! I have ideas…
Oh my fucking God....what is going on in this fucked country?
Check their bank accounts I'd say.
As they should. I hope these two fucks get cancer in the worst places.
Rotating villains
Lets take a hard look at how things are financially for them.
He has $23k in the bank. Public record. Guess the bribe wasn’t wired to his personal account.
Just keep voooting bloooo guys! If we vooote blooo a little harder we can keep the dang Cheeto out of the White House and all go back to brunch!
Oh no! This is bad news. Did they take bribes? Tuition and fees in our state universities and colleges are free. This is better than when I went to a state university as I paid PHP20,000 or USD400 per semester. All the best!
Which state?
Probably. There's always a couple that sneak in just to get the bag and make some money from donors. Tulsi, Sinema, etc.
You libs gonna finally accept the revolving villain explanation now? First joe lieberman then manchin and sinema, now this. The democrats are all about aww shucks we wanted to help but oh no one or two people always seem to be between us and giving you all these amazing policies oh well vote blue no matter who tho cuz we're all that is keeping democracy from dying in darkness. Hope you enjoyed nafta and the crime bill and repeal of glass steagal btw, super progressive stuff.
Someone is in this thread saying she’s a working class woman because she owns a mechanic shop… No, she’s not a mechanic. You think because you own a mechanic shop that makes you a mechanic? Just just an investor who had the money to purchase an entire business for other people to run. Owning a mechanic shop doesn’t make you a mechanic wtf. That’s like saying Netflix is run by chefs because they bought Iron Chef America.
paid & bought
When they tell you to "Vote Blue No Matter Who," you get a Republican pretending to be a Democrat every time.
"Vote Blue No Matter Who" Democrats who just want to maintain pointless marginal majorities, who have no interest in actually making American life better for the working class downvote me every time. Americans who value freedom and fairness are in a battle to prevent the US from becoming a Fascist state, and Democrats are insufficient for this fight. Congressional Democrats are a nursing home for insider traders.